NU Stats (February 2012) - Page 2

Raikaria · Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Steamroll

Jynx wasn't even voted on, you might be thinking of Gorebyss.

If I recall quite a lot of discussion went into a vote on Jynx, I think that's where I got confused.

Also, Samuwott can beat Tanglea rather reliably, if it's already set up. Not to mention Tangela dosen't like taking Brave Birds.

EBeast · Mar 2nd, 2012, 7:04:41 PM

Yeah, CB Cham already beats Missy and now this:
CB Jolly Medicham Hi Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252 Def+ Eviolite Tangela: 50.6% - 60.18% O_O
HJK Vs. 252 / 252 Def+ Alomomola: 60.3% - 71% Fuu-
HJK Vs. 252 / 252 Def+ Mesprit: 37.09% - 43.68% Still deals incredible damage, not to mention Mesprit has no reliable recovery.

My guess for Standard Set is:
Hi Jump Kick / Zen Headbutt / Trick?(It destroys physical walls anyways so maybe not) / Bullet Punch | Rock Slide | Ice Punch

If it does drop, I can't wait to antimetagame with it :)

Toa Tahu · Mar 2nd, 2012, 10:03:14 PM

| 153 | Dunsparce | 112 | 0.613% | 91 | 0.595% |
Let's do this.

November Blue · Mar 2nd, 2012, 10:36:48 PM

I would love for Medicham to drop to NU. Give it a chance to set itself apart.

**Molk** · Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:22:37 PM

i have a feeling medicham would wreck the "balance" we have in the current NU, medicham is so powerful its not even funny, and it has a decent speed for NU, so i can easily run CB.

also sawsbuck is going to be a beast

Ice-eyes · Mar 3rd, 2012, 5:31:39 AM

Noticeably Duosion only takes 32.3% - 38%, which it can easily Recover off. This is a really, really underrated threat that I've been meaning to try out for some time.

Also, bear in mind that Choice Band Medicham is slow and that it's pretty frail and difficult to switch in compared to, say, Magmortar.

Honus · Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:33:08 PM

Yeah Duosion is really fantastic, it's one of the best stall breakers out there if you pair it with a Pursuit user. I do agree with Molk that Medicham might tilt the balanced metagame a bit in that most Pokemon can't take its attacks and any team that doesn't carry a counter to it is forced into prediction and is somewhat obligated to carry a revenge killer, much like Terrakion in OU.

EBeast · Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:59:32 PM

Well CB does 3HKO Duosion(I ran the calc earlier but decided not to include it to glorify CB Cham :P) Also yeah Duosion is a great Pokemon, as for Pursuit users CB Absol or Tank Skuntank are the best to pair Duosion with. TBH with CBSol just Night Slash Vs. Missy and if they switch out the first time Pursuit the second. The great thing about CB Absol is nothing wants to take CB Night Slash considering Super Luck's chance to crit, so it ends up being either lose Missy or have something else get destroyed.

Also CBSol pairs up well with SpecsTaria. The things capable of taking its Draco Spam include Hypno, Gardevoir, Duosion, Cradily, Probopass, Bastiodon and CBSol wreaks all of those. As for MolK, he was being sarcastic when talking about a balanced NU, him, a few other, and I believe that NU isn't truly balanced and Absol is one of the culprits.

Ice-eyes · Mar 3rd, 2012, 2:54:06 PM

Absol is good because of Sucker Punch, and because it can Swords Dance. Why would you ruin both by slapping a CB on it?

Raikaria · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:24:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Karpman

Yeah Duosion is really fantastic, it's one of the best stall breakers out there if you pair it with a Pursuit user. I do agree with Molk that Medicham might tilt the balanced metagame a bit in that most Pokemon can't take its attacks and any team that doesn't carry a counter to it is forced into prediction and is somewhat obligated to carry a revenge killer, much like Terrakion in OU.

Or a form of status, any of which cripple Terrakion. [Toxic ruins setup sets, Burn destroys all sets, so does Paralysis and Sleep]

Seriously, I know I don't play OU much anymore, but I never had issues with Terrakion, it's got so many common weaknesses and is so vunerable to status if you let it set up Double Dance you frankly deserve to lose.

On topic:

Medicham tends to run Scarf/Band, and, unlike Terrakion, dosen't set up, so it dosen't care much about Toxic. It would turn NU into Medicham prediction wars, and it's not even weak to priority like Terrakion.

In all honesty I think Medicham would possibly be overpowered. The birds can't switch in, but Swellow can revenge, but Medicham just switches out and repeats when that happens, getting a KO every time it comes in, unless you're outpredicted. It's not like much can take Medicham's HJK's.

Arceus forbid something like Agilipass to LO Medicham.

***Zebraiken**** · Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:42:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Raikaria

Or a form of status, any of which cripple Terrakion. [Toxic ruins setup sets, Burn destroys all sets, so does Paralysis and Sleep]

Seriously, I know I don't play OU much anymore, but I never had issues with Terrakion, it's got so many common weaknesses and is so vunerable to status if you let it set up Double Dance you frankly deserve to lose.

what

that doesn't have anything to do with what he said...

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Originally Posted by Fat Raikaria

On topic:

Medicham tends to run Scarf/Band, and, unlike Terrakion, dosen't set up, so it dosen't care much about Toxic. It would turn NU into Medicham prediction wars, and it's not even weak to priority like Terrakion.

In all honesty I think Medicham would possibly be overpowered. The birds can't switch in, but Swellow can revenge, but Medicham just switches out and repeats when that happens, getting a KO every time it comes in, unless you're outpredicted. It's not like much can take Medicham's HJK's.

Arceus forbid something like Agilipass to LO Medicham.

Terrakion doesn't have to set up either (CB and Scarf sets are easily the two best sets it can run....), and Toxic really doesn't mean shit to fast sweepers in my experience so I don't know what you're talking about there. The sheer might is what is dangerous about Medicham, and the fact that Fighting is a great STAB to have down here, especially with Pure Power and Hi Jump Kick and a solid backup STAB for Ghost-types. We must remember that Medicham has only a small chance to drop in the first place, and that Gorebyss had nearly the same hype, but take a look at how that turned out. I'm not sure how well we can relate it to Gorebyss, as Gorebyss is slower and relied on a set-up move for its might, whereas Medicham offers pure might in exchange for decent prediction skills.

Yea, Medicham is strong and will be effective if it drops, but let's leave the outcries of "ban!" out of speculation for now.

Toa Tahu · Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:55:27 PM

CB Medicham will be good, but not broken. If it doesn't carry Bullet Punch, birds beat it. Rotom-S will beat all variants. It's also slower than most of the scarfers in the tier, so it's easily revenged even if scarfed, but it resists just about everything Sawk can throw at it.

No Luck Involved · Mar 3rd, 2012, 8:14:36 PM

There's nothing stopping it destroying one thing on your team everytime it switches in though. Every team would probably have to pack a Ghost type or a 4x resist. Plus Rotom-S is not coming in on Ice Punch anytime soon, or Zen Headbutt I'd imagine. I'd definitely not like to see it drop because CB Sawk is bad enough and Medicham really is on another level of power.

November Blue · Mar 4th, 2012, 12:00:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Ice-eyes

Absol is good because of Sucker Punch, and because it can Swords Dance. Why would you ruin both by slapping a CB on it?

Because its power is absolutely insane. Absol forces switches, and banded Pursuit kills everything. Megahorn 2HKOes Tangela, and Night Slash crits all the time.

The lack of Steel- and Fighting-types in NU (plus the boatload of Psychics) works in Absol's favor. It actually pulls off the slowish Choice Banded wallbreaker role really well.

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Originally Posted by Fat Toa Tahu

CB Medicham will be good, but not broken. If it doesn't carry Bullet Punch, birds beat it. Rotom-S will beat all variants. It's also slower than most of the scarfers in the tier, so it's easily revenged even if scarfed, but it resists just about everything Sawk can throw at it.

Base 80 Speed isn't that bad. Braviary gets by with base 80.

I think the best set is going to be an Adamant Choice Bander. Medicham resists Stealth Rock, so it doesn't have to worry about residual damage, and it does that "slow, powerful, banded wallbreaker" thing (Escavalier, Haxorus) really well. It forces switches easily enough. Medicham's niche is Pure Power Hi Jump Kick. If you're not abusing that, you're probably better off with Sawk, who outspeeds both birds with and Adamant Choice Scarf set.

Ice-eyes · Mar 4th, 2012, 6:22:33 AM

CB Night Slash is 6% stronger than LO Sucker Punch. And in exchange you've crippled Absol. Yes, CB is kind of cool because of crits and that strong Pursuit, but I don't think you can really argue that it is the *best* set.

Demist · Mar 4th, 2012, 6:31:37 AM

Ok, since I haven't played for ages would anybody inform on how is NU metagame as for now? What pokes reign NU? What new do we have there? (some unexpected pokes that weren't used earlier?) Thanks in advance ^^

Raikaria · Mar 4th, 2012, 1:07:55 PM

No single pokemon reigns supreme, the metagame as a whole is pretty balanced. The biggest threat is probobly Jynx, however, but she's not #1 because Magmortar, Sawk and Rotom-S are everywhere with scarfs to revenge her.

Same applies to 'Byss, Scarf Rotom-S is so common because of her [And because it's awesome in general]

DestinyUnknown · Mar 5th, 2012, 11:37:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Steamroll

Top 50 and changes from Jan.

Top 5 forward movers:
1) Vileplume (+29)
2) Ampharos (+24)
3) Skuntank (+18)
4) Tangela (+15)
5) Raichu (+13)

Top 5 backward movers:
1) Leafeon (-20)
2) Probopass (-14)
3) Lickilicky (-13)
4) Cryogonal (-12)
5) Gorebyss (-11)

NU Movesets coming soon!

That Leafeon drop is equal as me not having played NU in the whole month lol
Even more significant on 1200 as leafeon has 0'7% usage only, I just can say ''underrated''

Btw, how is electrode that high on 1200? o.o

Oh, and I don't get the absol drop and the amazing increase of usage skuntank got (not saying its bad but eh) Maybe is just I haven't played, but the metagame hasn't changed at all

MegaKick · Mar 5th, 2012, 2:47:14 PM

Well jusg remember guys, medicham, ludicolo and rhydon are all being used in RUs counter Pokemon team creater thing, which will probably give them the boost to keep out of nu. I really want sawsbuck though, a fast physical sweeper that isnt stopped by tangela while giving sun teams a boost? Yes please

PS pinsir so low :(

Amarillo · Mar 5th, 2012, 3:09:22 PM

Also, if Medicham happens to drop, just note that a lot of stall mons run protect (just because T-spikes are that great), which will completely ruin CB Medicham and its super-strong Hi Jump Kick. Of course, offensive teams would not have trouble with rather slow CB cham, but Scarf Cham will rip through them easily. I'd really hate to see it drop, just because it really forces you to run ghost-types / psychic-types AND outpredict your opponent on top of that. If you thought Sawk was strong, just imagine a Sawk that doesn't get walled by Poison types. I can easily see Duosion / Misdreavus / defensive Eggy / Alomomola etc. being a complete necessity, probably even more so than how Rock-types are necessary for Swellow and Normal-types. But CB Cham probably isn't as good of a stallbreaker than you might initially think.

Also, if you have Duosion / Missy problems you can just stick a Skuntank and whittle it down to 2HKO range with Taunt + Pursuit. We'll see, but I think he'll be another Gorebyss-level suspect.

@Zeb: CCATs, though, tend to boost some usage significantly. I remember when Rhydon had top 10 usage in RU...

But he's right in that Counterteam Creator just intends to counterteam the other, so they tend to be not very applicable to the metagame as a whole. (They leave out threats because the opponent will not take them, they put in a sweeper that 6-0s the other team instead of helping out severe (blank) weakness, etc.) Especially in the diverse RU, that doesn't really help.

***Zebraiken**** · Mar 5th, 2012, 3:11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat MegaKick

Well jusg remember guys, medicham, ludicolo and rhydon are all being used in RUs counter Pokemon team creater thing, which will probably give them the boost to keep out of nu. I really want sawsbuck though, a fast physical sweeper that isnt stopped by tangela while giving sun teams a boost? Yes please

PS pinsir so low :(

Some people will use one of those teams, but unless they're spectacular against the ladder (and since they're openly on the forums, I'd assume they won't be...) then I doubt that the thread will have too much of an impact on those stats.

MikeDecIsHere · Mar 5th, 2012, 11:12:35 PM

Magmortar can GTFO imo

If Bouffalant and Medicham drop though, I might actually give laddering a whirl again though. I would love to wreck NU with those two. Though if Medicham drops, expect a rise in Misdreavus.

erisia · Mar 6th, 2012, 3:33:18 AM

If Magmortar rises and Bouffalant falls, then I guess that'll be good enough compensation for my Sleep absorber... although Jynx will be a pain.

And I disagree with Magmortar being broken. Although it's extremely powerful and it has good coverage, you can play around it fairly easily thanks to its unfortunate Speed tier, and it has a lot of good checks and counters in the tier.

EmeraldGoblin · Mar 6th, 2012, 4:15:41 PM

any thoughs on Regigigas? it seems like a good para-fusion user.... and once its slow start ends... he has a decent return damage.

Raikaria · Mar 6th, 2012, 5:46:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat EmeraldGoblin

any thoughs on Regigigas? it seems like a good para-fusion user.... and once its slow start ends... he has a decent return damage.

His Return damage is decent even with Slow Start. Regigias's maximum attack with Slow Start is 230, which, with an effective Base 153 attack, isn't going to be useless.

And after Slow Start Return's damage is FAR more than decent. Let's put it this way, about the only non-resister I've found that can tank Kangaskhan's Returns is Tangela [Pretty much everything else is 2HKO'ed or 3HKO'ed and can't do anything back]. Kangaskhan's base attack is 95. Regigias has Base 160.

Mar 2nd, 2012, 7:04:41 PM	#27
EBeast she's probably sexting nprtprt Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 643	Yeah, CB Cham already beats Missy and now this: CB Jolly Medicham Hi Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252 Def+ Eviolite Tangela: 50.6% - 60.18% O_O HJK Vs. 252 / 252 Def+ Alomomola: 60.3% - 71% Fuu- HJK Vs. 252 / 252 Def+ Mesprit: 37.09% - 43.68% Still deals incredible damage, not to mention Mesprit has no reliable recovery. My guess for Standard Set is: Hi Jump Kick / Zen Headbutt / Trick?(It destroys physical walls anyways so maybe not) / Bullet Punch \| Rock Slide \| Ice Punch If it does drop, I can't wait to antimetagame with it :) __________________

Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:22:37 PM	#30
Molk Recipe for disaster Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,218 Long Island	i have a feeling medicham would wreck the "balance" we have in the current NU, medicham is so powerful its not even funny, and it has a decent speed for NU, so i can easily run CB. also sawsbuck is going to be a beast __________________ 16:46 <TLCNU> Esca literally is 2HKO'd by Stoutland Fire Fang 10:33 skylight molk put me in your sig

Mar 3rd, 2012, 5:31:39 AM	#31
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	Noticeably Duosion only takes 32.3% - 38%, which it can easily Recover off. This is a really, really underrated threat that I've been meaning to try out for some time. Also, bear in mind that Choice Band Medicham is slow and that it's pretty frail and difficult to switch in compared to, say, Magmortar. __________________ 22:36 <MMF> cunt is my favorite

Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:33:08 PM	#32
Honus Initiative Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 700	Yeah Duosion is really fantastic, it's one of the best stall breakers out there if you pair it with a Pursuit user. I do agree with Molk that Medicham might tilt the balanced metagame a bit in that most Pokemon can't take its attacks and any team that doesn't carry a counter to it is forced into prediction and is somewhat obligated to carry a revenge killer, much like Terrakion in OU. __________________

Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:59:32 PM	#33
EBeast she's probably sexting nprtprt Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 643	Well CB does 3HKO Duosion(I ran the calc earlier but decided not to include it to glorify CB Cham :P) Also yeah Duosion is a great Pokemon, as for Pursuit users CB Absol or Tank Skuntank are the best to pair Duosion with. TBH with CBSol just Night Slash Vs. Missy and if they switch out the first time Pursuit the second. The great thing about CB Absol is nothing wants to take CB Night Slash considering Super Luck's chance to crit, so it ends up being either lose Missy or have something else get destroyed. Also CBSol pairs up well with SpecsTaria. The things capable of taking its Draco Spam include Hypno, Gardevoir, Duosion, Cradily, Probopass, Bastiodon and CBSol wreaks all of those. As for MolK, he was being sarcastic when talking about a balanced NU, him, a few other, and I believe that NU isn't truly balanced and Absol is one of the culprits. __________________

Mar 2nd, 2012, 10:03:14 PM	#28
Toa Tahu Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 94	\| 153 \| Dunsparce \| 112 \| 0.613% \| 91 \| 0.595% \| Let's do this.

Mar 2nd, 2012, 10:36:48 PM	#29
November Blue Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,465	I would love for Medicham to drop to NU. Give it a chance to set itself apart.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 2:54:06 PM	#34
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	Absol is good because of Sucker Punch, and because it can Swords Dance. Why would you ruin both by slapping a CB on it? __________________ 22:36 <MMF> cunt is my favorite

Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:55:27 PM	#37
Toa Tahu Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 94	CB Medicham will be good, but not broken. If it doesn't carry Bullet Punch, birds beat it. Rotom-S will beat all variants. It's also slower than most of the scarfers in the tier, so it's easily revenged even if scarfed, but it resists just about everything Sawk can throw at it.

Mar 3rd, 2012, 8:14:36 PM	#38
No Luck Involved Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,293	There's nothing stopping it destroying one thing on your team everytime it switches in though. Every team would probably have to pack a Ghost type or a 4x resist. Plus Rotom-S is not coming in on Ice Punch anytime soon, or Zen Headbutt I'd imagine. I'd definitely not like to see it drop because CB Sawk is bad enough and Medicham really is on another level of power. __________________ I like birds Keep it sexy An RU blast from the past!

Mar 4th, 2012, 6:22:33 AM	#40
Ice-eyes Simper Fi Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,658	CB Night Slash is 6% stronger than LO Sucker Punch. And in exchange you've crippled Absol. Yes, CB is kind of cool because of crits and that strong Pursuit, but I don't think you can really argue that it is the best set. __________________ 22:36 <MMF> cunt is my favorite

Mar 4th, 2012, 6:31:37 AM	#41
Demist Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 300 "but truth to be told, I'm kinda bad at it"	Ok, since I haven't played for ages would anybody inform on how is NU metagame as for now? What pokes reign NU? What new do we have there? (some unexpected pokes that weren't used earlier?) Thanks in advance ^^ __________________ "lying is my specialty" ^^

Mar 4th, 2012, 1:07:55 PM	#42
Raikaria Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,165	No single pokemon reigns supreme, the metagame as a whole is pretty balanced. The biggest threat is probobly Jynx, however, but she's not #1 because Magmortar, Sawk and Rotom-S are everywhere with scarfs to revenge her. Same applies to 'Byss, Scarf Rotom-S is so common because of her [And because it's awesome in general]

Mar 5th, 2012, 2:47:14 PM	#44
MegaKick Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,452 Out getting milk	Well jusg remember guys, medicham, ludicolo and rhydon are all being used in RUs counter Pokemon team creater thing, which will probably give them the boost to keep out of nu. I really want sawsbuck though, a fast physical sweeper that isnt stopped by tangela while giving sun teams a boost? Yes please PS pinsir so low :(

Mar 5th, 2012, 3:09:22 PM	#45
Amarillo yellow! Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 713	Also, if Medicham happens to drop, just note that a lot of stall mons run protect (just because T-spikes are that great), which will completely ruin CB Medicham and its super-strong Hi Jump Kick. Of course, offensive teams would not have trouble with rather slow CB cham, but Scarf Cham will rip through them easily. I'd really hate to see it drop, just because it really forces you to run ghost-types / psychic-types AND outpredict your opponent on top of that. If you thought Sawk was strong, just imagine a Sawk that doesn't get walled by Poison types. I can easily see Duosion / Misdreavus / defensive Eggy / Alomomola etc. being a complete necessity, probably even more so than how Rock-types are necessary for Swellow and Normal-types. But CB Cham probably isn't as good of a stallbreaker than you might initially think. Also, if you have Duosion / Missy problems you can just stick a Skuntank and whittle it down to 2HKO range with Taunt + Pursuit. We'll see, but I think he'll be another Gorebyss-level suspect. @Zeb: CCATs, though, tend to boost some usage significantly. I remember when Rhydon had top 10 usage in RU... But he's right in that Counterteam Creator just intends to counterteam the other, so they tend to be not very applicable to the metagame as a whole. (They leave out threats because the opponent will not take them, they put in a sweeper that 6-0s the other team instead of helping out severe (blank) weakness, etc.) Especially in the diverse RU, that doesn't really help. Last edited by Amarillo; Mar 5th, 2012 at 3:19:26 PM.

Mar 5th, 2012, 11:12:35 PM	#47
MikeDecIsHere Laying the Groundwork for the Pound Work Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,833 Staten Island Mentor	Magmortar can GTFO imo If Bouffalant and Medicham drop though, I might actually give laddering a whirl again though. I would love to wreck NU with those two. Though if Medicham drops, expect a rise in Misdreavus. __________________

Mar 6th, 2012, 3:33:18 AM	#48
erisia (macho) brace yourselves Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 853	If Magmortar rises and Bouffalant falls, then I guess that'll be good enough compensation for my Sleep absorber... although Jynx will be a pain. And I disagree with Magmortar being broken. Although it's extremely powerful and it has good coverage, you can play around it fairly easily thanks to its unfortunate Speed tier, and it has a lot of good checks and counters in the tier. __________________ Check out Slowmons: A new metagame where the slowest Pokémon moves first!

Mar 6th, 2012, 4:15:41 PM	#49
EmeraldGoblin Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 32	any thoughs on Regigigas? it seems like a good para-fusion user.... and once its slow start ends... he has a decent return damage.