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yaysnivy34 · Mar 15th, 2012, 8:21:50 PM

Ambipom
Lilligant
Meloetta

DDRMaster · Mar 15th, 2012, 9:21:43 PM

Amoongus
Mamoswine
Meloetta

complete legitimacy · Mar 15th, 2012, 9:42:32 PM

Meloetta
Empoleon
Feraligatr

TropiOUs · Mar 15th, 2012, 10:25:45 PM

Meloetta
Feraligatr
Volcarona

Noodlez · Mar 15th, 2012, 10:39:15 PM

Meloetta
Empoleon
Feraligatr

**NixHex** · Mar 15th, 2012, 11:13:26 PM

Gengar
Meloetta
Mamoswine

toshimelonhead · Mar 15th, 2012, 11:21:04 PM

Meloetta
Amoongus

V0x · Mar 15th, 2012, 11:36:11 PM

Meloetta
Empoleon
Amoonguss

blaZofgold · Mar 15th, 2012, 11:45:05 PM

Meloetta

Joeyboy · Mar 15th, 2012, 11:49:52 PM

Meloetta
Empoleon
Mamoswine

Tomahawk9 · Mar 16th, 2012, 2:38:50 AM

Empoleon
Mamoswine
Blaziken

DarkCelebi · Mar 16th, 2012, 4:53:54 AM

Meloetta
Amoonguss
Gengar

Calm Pokemaster · Mar 16th, 2012, 10:14:33 AM

Alakazam
Meloetta
Empoleon

**Harsha** · Mar 16th, 2012, 12:13:01 PM

With a whopping 83 points, it appears as though Meloetta is already the victor by a longshot! As such, I'll leave this open until 12:00 AM tonight in EST, but I really don't expect anyone to give Meloetta any competition.

**Harsha** · Mar 17th, 2012, 12:00:28 AM

Voters have chosen Meloetta to build around! Now we choose what type of team we will be making. The options are hyper offense, heavy offense, bulky offense, stall (lol), and weather offense. Please nominate one type of team and 2-4 teammates with descriptions of why they would help. This will go on for two weeks, and you are free to discuss in this thread!!

BTzz · Mar 17th, 2012, 1:07:49 AM

Hmm, I think weather (rain) offense would be interesting as Meloetta could abuse a Serene Grace Thunder > Thunderbolt. That 60% paralysis rate would allow it to support the rest of the team, which is cool. Although im not quite sure which Politoed set would be the best option at the momment. I'm thinking perhaps a bulky set with Scald and Encore to assist any set-up or switching in. I'll think about it, but for now I'll nom Zoroark:

Zoroark @ Life Orb / Expert Belt
Trait: Illusion
EVs: 32 Atk / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Naive nature
- Dark Pulse / Night Daze
- Focus Blast
- U-turn / Taunt
- Sucker Punch

Zoroark + Meloetta is a pretty cool combo i've seen on the ladder a couple of times. Zoroark can dispose of Ghost-types, which Meloetta hates, as they are immune to Close Combat, and prevent her from switching formes as they are also immune to Relic Song. Zoroark also deals with bulky Psychic-types such as Reuniclus and Latias, which Meloetta has trouble getting past. In return, Meloetta can quickly get rid of Blissey / Chansey with Close Combat. I like the mixed set as Sucker Punch often catches Gengar off guard when your disguised as Meloetta. I listed Expert Belt as an option in case we really want to effectively feign Meloetta. No Flamethrower because of rain so I guess Taunt or U-turn are the next best options.

Edit: adding Scarf Politoed for reasons Harsha pointed out and the Forretress that CP posted to my ballot. Forretress would go great with Zoroark as Zoroark can can surprise kill Ghost-types disguised as Meloetta, leaving Forry free to spin.

Sets

So yeah my noms are:

rain offense

Choice Scarf Scarf Politoed

Mixed Zoroark

Specially Defensive Forretress

yaysnivy34 · Mar 17th, 2012, 2:15:56 PM

I think we should do Bulky Offense. The nature of Meloetta's attacking style is relatively bulky anyway (i.e. Calm Mind / SubCM), so providing hazard users and spin support is very helpful for nabbing a few extra KOes and avoid hazards in the first place. This will also help Meloetta's fellow offensive teammates. Two teammates I would like to nominate are Deoxys-S and Donphan. Deoxys-S can set up Spikes and Stealth Rock with ease and it can also use Taunt to prevent the opponent from setting up their own. Donphan would make a fantastic partner to Meloetta because it has excellent Defense and can take most any physical attack, while Meloetta has incredible Special Defense, so they would partner well. Here is the sets:

Deoxys-S @ Focus Sash / Lum Berry
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly / Timid
Stealth Rock
Spikes
Taunt / Magic Coat
Fire Punch / ExtremeSpeed / Shadow Ball

Donphan @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Nature: Impish
Rapid Spin
Earthquake
Odor Sleuth / Knock Off
Toxic / Ice Shard

In short, my nominees are:
Bulky Offense

Deoxys-S

Donphan

**Harsha** · Mar 17th, 2012, 7:13:39 PM

Alright time to get my votes in. I am agreeing with BTzz on rain offense, as we now get a 60% chance of paralyzing the opponent with Thunder! This goes hand-in-hand with Politoed, but instead of a bulky variant, I propose Choice Scarf Politoed so that we have a reliable Excadrill check and a good cleaner.

Politoed @ Choice Scarf | Drizzle
Modest Nature | 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Hydro Pump | Hidden Power Grass | Ice Beam | Perish Song

Now, I think we need a better check to sand because at the moment, we would be screwed. I propose we try out Double Dance Terrakion, one of the best Terrakion sets in the current metagame due to the prevalence of Excadrill and sand abuse.

Terrakion @ Air Balloon | Justified
Jolly Nature | 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Swords Dance | Close Combat | Rock Polish | Stone Edge

As for other teammates, we might want to try a Tail Glow Manaphy because it can complement Meloetta nicely once walls are removed. This is probably the most broken Pokemon in the metagame anyways, and it's extremely fun to use.

Manaphy @ Leftovers | Hydration
Timid Nature | 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tail Glow | Rest | Surf | Ice Beam / Grass Knot

In short, my nominations are:

Rain Offense
Choice Scarf Politoed
Double Dance Terrakion
Tail Glow Manaphy

What do you guys think? Keep on nominating and discussing!

shrang · Mar 17th, 2012, 8:04:15 PM

Wait, which Meloetta set are we using, the one I suggested? That set doesn't have Thunder on it, although you can always just replace it for Thunderbolt, I guess.

Anyway, the set that I suggested depends heavily on hazards, because you're forcing switches by alternating between forms. I like the Deoxys-S suggestion, while other Spikers such as Skarmory, Forretress and Ferrothorn are all perfectly good too.

**Harsha** · Mar 17th, 2012, 8:08:42 PM

Yeah, we're using your set, but I'm suggesting replacing Thunderbolt with Thunder because its the same coverage move with more BP and a higher accuracy. Note that only changes such as this will suffice, we won't be changing the Hidden Power type and stuff like that.

DDRMaster · Mar 18th, 2012, 12:44:57 AM

I'm not completely convinced about Rain Offense, but if we're going to be running hazards, we need a Ghost-type to block Rapid Spin.

Gengar @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 SpAtk/252 Spe
Nature: Timid

~ Substitute
~ Disable
~ Shadow Ball
~ Focus Blast

Sub Disable Gengar makes a good spin blocker, as many Rapid Spinners only run one move that can actually break Gengar's Sub. Substitute means that it will be a lot harder for Chandelure to trap Gengar, as it will be KO'd by Shadow Ball. This set forces a large amount of switches, further taking advantage of the entry hazards that are laid down.

Excadrill and Starmie are obviously Spinners that this Gengar can't block, but bulkier Ghosts like Jellicent and Dusclops that could check those two are easily trapped by Chandelure. Jellicent also compounds the Electric and Grass weaknesses on Politoed and Manaphy, if we do in fact go with a Rain team.

Calm Pokemaster · Mar 18th, 2012, 5:46:29 AM

Yeah I am going to nominate Rain Offense too. Meloetta is really good under the rain, but I had an interesting idea. Pairing Meloetta with SubCM Jirachi can be a great idea, as the opponent will find it difficult to deal with two Serene Grace users at once. This is the Jirachi set I am talking about:

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature (+Spe, - Atk)
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Thunder
- Water Pulse

With the EV spread, Jirachi can easily set up on Chansey and Blissey, making 101 HP Substitutes. After a few Calm Minds, start spamming Thunder. Thunder + Water Pulse gives Jirachi excellent coverage, as boosted Water Pulse can take out most Ground-types blocking Thunder in the rain; as an added plus, this allows Jirachi to abuse the rage-inducing ParaFusion combo. Water Pulse bypasses Grass-types looking to abuse their resistance thanks to the rain boost as well. Jirachi also provides key Grass- and Dragon-type resistances for the rain team, which is always useful. 252 Spe EVs and Timid are used to set up CM on stuff like LO Genesect and Hydreigon and Speed tie with other base 100s, like Manaphy.

However, Storm Drain Gastrodon walls this set cold, so I guess we should just run Grass Knot in Manaphy's fourth moveslot; stuff like Dragonite is hit very hard by rain-boosted Surf in any case after a Tail Glow. Jirachi pairs very well with Manaphy, setting up on Ferrothorn with ease and also sponging stray Grass-type moves with ease.

As for an entry hazard setter, I am suggesting Forretress. It can take advantage of Sturdy to almost always set up SR, and also check Dragon Dance users such as Salamence and Dragonite with Gyro Ball.

Forretress @ Shed Shell
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature (+SpD, - SpA)
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Gyro Ball
- Rapid Spin

With Sturdy, you are basically assured of setting up Stealth Rock. The specially defensive EV spread allows Forretress to make good use of its resistance to Dragon-, Grass-, and Ghost-type attacks and set up entry hazards on stuff like Latios. Shed Shell is used so that you don't become setup bait for SubCM Chandelure. Forretress can also remove entry hazards with Rapid Spin, functioning both as a Rapid Spinner and a hazard setter for your team.

As for a spinblocker, I like DDRMaster's idea of SubDisable Gengar. It also keeps Fighting-types in check and forces a lot of switches, which is nice with the entry hazards we have. Having Fighting- and Normal-type immunities is always welcome as well.

So in short, my nominations are as follows:

Rain Offense
SubCM Jirachi
Specially Defensive Forretress
SubDisavle Gengar

Tomahawk9 · Mar 18th, 2012, 6:20:54 AM

I'm kind of worried about this Meloetta set being setup bait for Calm Mind Chandelure. Close Combat and Relic Song do nothing against Chandelure, and Meloetta's best bet is unSTABed Thunderbolt, which does less and less after every Calm Mind. If Chandelure manages to come in on Meloetta in its Step form, it will likely get several Calm Minds easily. As such, I suggest the following:

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Trait: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Waterfall / Stone Edge
- Recover

(If you want, you can use a moveset of Earthquake / Scald / Yawn or Toxic / Recover with a Sassy nature, but I personally prefer Curse Quagsire.)
This is the only thing that can take attacks from a +6 Chandelure. Chandelure doesn't 2HKO with Shadow Ball so you can Curse up, and then OHKO Chandelure with STAB Earthquake regardless of weather. This doesn't just beat Chandelure though: Calm Mind Jirachi and Jirachi in general is another threat to Meloetta, especially when it hasn't had the time to use Relic Song yet, is setup on easily by Quagsire.

Calm Pokemaster · Mar 18th, 2012, 7:08:15 AM

Actually, Chandelure will find it difficult to obtain more than 1 CM boost against Meloetta, since if we use Meloetta on a rain team, Thunder will deal ~40% to standard SubCM Chandelure, and since you are assuming Meloetta is in Step Forme, it also naturally outspeeds Chandelure. With Serene Grace, Chandelure is also potentially getting paralysed, and even after a CM, Expert Belt Thunder will break Chandelure's Substitute guaranteed.

If you have SR up, even if Chandelure comes in on CC / Ancient Song safely, you Thunder it for ~40%, it sets up a CM, you Thunder again for ~27%, so after SR and 2 Thunders, Chandelure is sitting at ~20% (after Lefties recovery) with +1 SpA / + 1 SpD without a Substitute. +1 Fire Blast does only 40% max in the rain, and you also have to take into account the chance of full paralysis, so I don't think Chandelure will be able to set up much on Meloetta in the rain.

However, Quagsire does provides a useful Electric-type immunity, and deals with stuff like NP Thundurus, CM Raikou, and the mentioned CM Jirachi, so I guess you could use it to check other rain sweepers. With a specially defensive EV spread, Quagsire will also take rain-boosted Water-type attacks with ease, so it will fit in pretty well on our team.

Tomahawk9 · Mar 18th, 2012, 1:17:06 PM

Well, I didn't assume rain was up. Some users nominated rain offense but since that hasn't been decided yet I assumed this was a weatherless team.

Mar 15th, 2012, 8:21:50 PM	#26
yaysnivy34 Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 121 Earth. Where do you live?	Ambipom Lilligant Meloetta __________________ C&C Queue: Ambipom (Analysis) (Quality Control) DW Queue: Vaporeon (Done), Ambipom (Done), Starmie (Done), Togekiss (Done), Venusaur (Done), Conkledurr (WIP)

Mar 15th, 2012, 9:42:32 PM	#28
complete legitimacy fearless in the face of danger Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 908 VM me for a RU QC / GP check.	Meloetta Empoleon Feraligatr __________________

Mar 15th, 2012, 10:25:45 PM	#29
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Mar 15th, 2012, 11:13:26 PM	#31
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Mar 15th, 2012, 11:21:04 PM	#32
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Mar 15th, 2012, 10:39:15 PM	#30
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Mar 15th, 2012, 11:36:11 PM	#33
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Mar 15th, 2012, 11:45:05 PM	#34
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Mar 15th, 2012, 11:49:52 PM	#35
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Mar 16th, 2012, 4:53:54 AM	#37
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Mar 16th, 2012, 10:14:33 AM	#38
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Mar 16th, 2012, 12:13:01 PM	#39
Harsha Moderator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 945 Mentor	With a whopping 83 points, it appears as though Meloetta is already the victor by a longshot! As such, I'll leave this open until 12:00 AM tonight in EST, but I really don't expect anyone to give Meloetta any competition. __________________ The story of Pocketman: Once upon a time there was a 60 year old man. He lived in Norway. Nobody knew his name,they all called him Pocketman. You probably ask why they called him pocket man, well i tell you why. He in a VERY wierd way rapes people. Believe me this story is true although its very wierd. He has been arrested in custody by the police now. He rapes everyone from a homofil to a pedofil. This is the way he does it: He wanders around the streets in a coap and a jeans pants. And when its very few people around the streets and he sees for example a littled kid boy or girl (it could be a grown up too) he says this: "hey boy i've hurt my hands a little bit can you pick up my cellphone from my pocket" the boy says:"sure thing man" The boy put his hand in the guys pocket. and he feels like the pocket is too long, and when he comes to the buttom of the ocket he feels something yucky(the pocketmans dick). And pocketman takes a knife from his other wallet stabs the kid and rapes him. Believe me i'm norwegian and its true over 2,000 people have been raped by this man. This thread might seem totally NON INTERESTING but i'm bored and i just wanna say this. reply your thoughts about this man or write your own story about the subject. submitted by The Harsha

Mar 17th, 2012, 12:00:28 AM	#40
Harsha Moderator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 945 Mentor	Voters have chosen Meloetta to build around! Now we choose what type of team we will be making. The options are hyper offense, heavy offense, bulky offense, stall (lol), and weather offense. Please nominate one type of team and 2-4 teammates with descriptions of why they would help. This will go on for two weeks, and you are free to discuss in this thread!! __________________ The story of Pocketman: Once upon a time there was a 60 year old man. He lived in Norway. Nobody knew his name,they all called him Pocketman. You probably ask why they called him pocket man, well i tell you why. He in a VERY wierd way rapes people. Believe me this story is true although its very wierd. He has been arrested in custody by the police now. He rapes everyone from a homofil to a pedofil. This is the way he does it: He wanders around the streets in a coap and a jeans pants. And when its very few people around the streets and he sees for example a littled kid boy or girl (it could be a grown up too) he says this: "hey boy i've hurt my hands a little bit can you pick up my cellphone from my pocket" the boy says:"sure thing man" The boy put his hand in the guys pocket. and he feels like the pocket is too long, and when he comes to the buttom of the ocket he feels something yucky(the pocketmans dick). And pocketman takes a knife from his other wallet stabs the kid and rapes him. Believe me i'm norwegian and its true over 2,000 people have been raped by this man. This thread might seem totally NON INTERESTING but i'm bored and i just wanna say this. reply your thoughts about this man or write your own story about the subject. submitted by The Harsha

Mar 17th, 2012, 1:07:49 AM	#41
BTzz don't be scared homie Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 688 Canada	Hmm, I think weather (rain) offense would be interesting as Meloetta could abuse a Serene Grace Thunder > Thunderbolt. That 60% paralysis rate would allow it to support the rest of the team, which is cool. Although im not quite sure which Politoed set would be the best option at the momment. I'm thinking perhaps a bulky set with Scald and Encore to assist any set-up or switching in. I'll think about it, but for now I'll nom Zoroark: Zoroark @ Life Orb / Expert Belt Trait: Illusion EVs: 32 Atk / 252 SpA / 224 Spe Naive nature - Dark Pulse / Night Daze - Focus Blast - U-turn / Taunt - Sucker Punch Zoroark + Meloetta is a pretty cool combo i've seen on the ladder a couple of times. Zoroark can dispose of Ghost-types, which Meloetta hates, as they are immune to Close Combat, and prevent her from switching formes as they are also immune to Relic Song. Zoroark also deals with bulky Psychic-types such as Reuniclus and Latias, which Meloetta has trouble getting past. In return, Meloetta can quickly get rid of Blissey / Chansey with Close Combat. I like the mixed set as Sucker Punch often catches Gengar off guard when your disguised as Meloetta. I listed Expert Belt as an option in case we really want to effectively feign Meloetta. No Flamethrower because of rain so I guess Taunt or U-turn are the next best options. Edit: adding Scarf Politoed for reasons Harsha pointed out and the Forretress that CP posted to my ballot. Forretress would go great with Zoroark as Zoroark can can surprise kill Ghost-types disguised as Meloetta, leaving Forry free to spin. Sets Forretress @ Leftovers / Shed Shell Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD Sassy Nature - Stealth Rock - Spikes - Earthquake / Gyro Ball - Rapid Spin Politoed @ Choice Scarf Trait: Drizzle EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Modest Nature - Hydro Pump - Hidden Power Grass - Ice Beam - Perish Song So yeah my noms are: rain offense Choice Scarf Scarf Politoed Mixed Zoroark Specially Defensive Forretress Last edited by BTzz; Mar 18th, 2012 at 7:00:42 PM.

Mar 17th, 2012, 2:15:56 PM	#42
yaysnivy34 Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 121 Earth. Where do you live?	I think we should do Bulky Offense. The nature of Meloetta's attacking style is relatively bulky anyway (i.e. Calm Mind / SubCM), so providing hazard users and spin support is very helpful for nabbing a few extra KOes and avoid hazards in the first place. This will also help Meloetta's fellow offensive teammates. Two teammates I would like to nominate are Deoxys-S and Donphan. Deoxys-S can set up Spikes and Stealth Rock with ease and it can also use Taunt to prevent the opponent from setting up their own. Donphan would make a fantastic partner to Meloetta because it has excellent Defense and can take most any physical attack, while Meloetta has incredible Special Defense, so they would partner well. Here is the sets: Deoxys-S @ Focus Sash / Lum Berry Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Nature: Jolly / Timid Stealth Rock Spikes Taunt / Magic Coat Fire Punch / ExtremeSpeed / Shadow Ball Donphan @ Leftovers Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def Nature: Impish Rapid Spin Earthquake Odor Sleuth / Knock Off Toxic / Ice Shard In short, my nominees are: Bulky Offense Deoxys-S Donphan __________________ C&C Queue: Ambipom (Analysis) (Quality Control) DW Queue: Vaporeon (Done), Ambipom (Done), Starmie (Done), Togekiss (Done), Venusaur (Done), Conkledurr (WIP)

Mar 17th, 2012, 7:13:39 PM	#43
Harsha Moderator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 945 Mentor	Alright time to get my votes in. I am agreeing with BTzz on rain offense, as we now get a 60% chance of paralyzing the opponent with Thunder! This goes hand-in-hand with Politoed, but instead of a bulky variant, I propose Choice Scarf Politoed so that we have a reliable Excadrill check and a good cleaner. Politoed @ Choice Scarf \| Drizzle Modest Nature \| 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Hydro Pump \| Hidden Power Grass \| Ice Beam \| Perish Song Now, I think we need a better check to sand because at the moment, we would be screwed. I propose we try out Double Dance Terrakion, one of the best Terrakion sets in the current metagame due to the prevalence of Excadrill and sand abuse. Terrakion @ Air Balloon \| Justified Jolly Nature \| 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Swords Dance \| Close Combat \| Rock Polish \| Stone Edge As for other teammates, we might want to try a Tail Glow Manaphy because it can complement Meloetta nicely once walls are removed. This is probably the most broken Pokemon in the metagame anyways, and it's extremely fun to use. Manaphy @ Leftovers \| Hydration Timid Nature \| 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Tail Glow \| Rest \| Surf \| Ice Beam / Grass Knot In short, my nominations are: Rain Offense Choice Scarf Politoed Double Dance Terrakion Tail Glow Manaphy What do you guys think? Keep on nominating and discussing!

Mar 17th, 2012, 8:08:42 PM	#45
Harsha Moderator Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 945 Mentor	Yeah, we're using your set, but I'm suggesting replacing Thunderbolt with Thunder because its the same coverage move with more BP and a higher accuracy. Note that only changes such as this will suffice, we won't be changing the Hidden Power type and stuff like that. __________________ The story of Pocketman: Once upon a time there was a 60 year old man. He lived in Norway. Nobody knew his name,they all called him Pocketman. You probably ask why they called him pocket man, well i tell you why. He in a VERY wierd way rapes people. Believe me this story is true although its very wierd. He has been arrested in custody by the police now. He rapes everyone from a homofil to a pedofil. This is the way he does it: He wanders around the streets in a coap and a jeans pants. And when its very few people around the streets and he sees for example a littled kid boy or girl (it could be a grown up too) he says this: "hey boy i've hurt my hands a little bit can you pick up my cellphone from my pocket" the boy says:"sure thing man" The boy put his hand in the guys pocket. and he feels like the pocket is too long, and when he comes to the buttom of the ocket he feels something yucky(the pocketmans dick). And pocketman takes a knife from his other wallet stabs the kid and rapes him. Believe me i'm norwegian and its true over 2,000 people have been raped by this man. This thread might seem totally NON INTERESTING but i'm bored and i just wanna say this. reply your thoughts about this man or write your own story about the subject. submitted by The Harsha

Mar 18th, 2012, 5:46:29 AM	#47
Calm Pokemaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,375 Chennai, India	Yeah I am going to nominate Rain Offense too. Meloetta is really good under the rain, but I had an interesting idea. Pairing Meloetta with SubCM Jirachi can be a great idea, as the opponent will find it difficult to deal with two Serene Grace users at once. This is the Jirachi set I am talking about: Jirachi @ Leftovers Trait: Serene Grace EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe Timid Nature (+Spe, - Atk) - Substitute - Calm Mind - Thunder - Water Pulse With the EV spread, Jirachi can easily set up on Chansey and Blissey, making 101 HP Substitutes. After a few Calm Minds, start spamming Thunder. Thunder + Water Pulse gives Jirachi excellent coverage, as boosted Water Pulse can take out most Ground-types blocking Thunder in the rain; as an added plus, this allows Jirachi to abuse the rage-inducing ParaFusion combo. Water Pulse bypasses Grass-types looking to abuse their resistance thanks to the rain boost as well. Jirachi also provides key Grass- and Dragon-type resistances for the rain team, which is always useful. 252 Spe EVs and Timid are used to set up CM on stuff like LO Genesect and Hydreigon and Speed tie with other base 100s, like Manaphy. However, Storm Drain Gastrodon walls this set cold, so I guess we should just run Grass Knot in Manaphy's fourth moveslot; stuff like Dragonite is hit very hard by rain-boosted Surf in any case after a Tail Glow. Jirachi pairs very well with Manaphy, setting up on Ferrothorn with ease and also sponging stray Grass-type moves with ease. As for an entry hazard setter, I am suggesting Forretress. It can take advantage of Sturdy to almost always set up SR, and also check Dragon Dance users such as Salamence and Dragonite with Gyro Ball. Forretress @ Shed Shell Trait: Sturdy EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD Sassy Nature (+SpD, - SpA) - Stealth Rock - Spikes - Gyro Ball - Rapid Spin With Sturdy, you are basically assured of setting up Stealth Rock. The specially defensive EV spread allows Forretress to make good use of its resistance to Dragon-, Grass-, and Ghost-type attacks and set up entry hazards on stuff like Latios. Shed Shell is used so that you don't become setup bait for SubCM Chandelure. Forretress can also remove entry hazards with Rapid Spin, functioning both as a Rapid Spinner and a hazard setter for your team. As for a spinblocker, I like DDRMaster's idea of SubDisable Gengar. It also keeps Fighting-types in check and forces a lot of switches, which is nice with the entry hazards we have. Having Fighting- and Normal-type immunities is always welcome as well. So in short, my nominations are as follows: Rain Offense SubCM Jirachi Specially Defensive Forretress SubDisavle Gengar

Mar 18th, 2012, 6:20:54 AM	#48
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	I'm kind of worried about this Meloetta set being setup bait for Calm Mind Chandelure. Close Combat and Relic Song do nothing against Chandelure, and Meloetta's best bet is unSTABed Thunderbolt, which does less and less after every Calm Mind. If Chandelure manages to come in on Meloetta in its Step form, it will likely get several Calm Minds easily. As such, I suggest the following: Quagsire @ Leftovers Trait: Unaware EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Curse - Earthquake - Waterfall / Stone Edge - Recover (If you want, you can use a moveset of Earthquake / Scald / Yawn or Toxic / Recover with a Sassy nature, but I personally prefer Curse Quagsire.) This is the only thing that can take attacks from a +6 Chandelure. Chandelure doesn't 2HKO with Shadow Ball so you can Curse up, and then OHKO Chandelure with STAB Earthquake regardless of weather. This doesn't just beat Chandelure though: Calm Mind Jirachi and Jirachi in general is another threat to Meloetta, especially when it hasn't had the time to use Relic Song yet, is setup on easily by Quagsire.

Mar 18th, 2012, 7:08:15 AM	#49
Calm Pokemaster Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,375 Chennai, India	Actually, Chandelure will find it difficult to obtain more than 1 CM boost against Meloetta, since if we use Meloetta on a rain team, Thunder will deal ~40% to standard SubCM Chandelure, and since you are assuming Meloetta is in Step Forme, it also naturally outspeeds Chandelure. With Serene Grace, Chandelure is also potentially getting paralysed, and even after a CM, Expert Belt Thunder will break Chandelure's Substitute guaranteed. If you have SR up, even if Chandelure comes in on CC / Ancient Song safely, you Thunder it for ~40%, it sets up a CM, you Thunder again for ~27%, so after SR and 2 Thunders, Chandelure is sitting at ~20% (after Lefties recovery) with +1 SpA / + 1 SpD without a Substitute. +1 Fire Blast does only 40% max in the rain, and you also have to take into account the chance of full paralysis, so I don't think Chandelure will be able to set up much on Meloetta in the rain. However, Quagsire does provides a useful Electric-type immunity, and deals with stuff like NP Thundurus, CM Raikou, and the mentioned CM Jirachi, so I guess you could use it to check other rain sweepers. With a specially defensive EV spread, Quagsire will also take rain-boosted Water-type attacks with ease, so it will fit in pretty well on our team.

Mar 18th, 2012, 1:17:06 PM	#50
Tomahawk9 Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,439	Well, I didn't assume rain was up. Some users nominated rain offense but since that hasn't been decided yet I assumed this was a weatherless team.