(Warstory) Impossible Damage?

ClayTRON · May 10th, 2012, 8:51:54 PM

I'm a little confused about the last battle I just had.

My team just got nearly one-shotted by a Thunderus.
It was a dramatic loss, but I'm certain something is fishy here.
It wasn't until it knocked my Cresselia down from 211 HP to 25 with one unboosted, non-critical hit Thunderbolt.
The Thunderus wasn't scarfed and didn't have Life Orb and their max SpA at level 50 is 194.
My Cresselia has 179 SpD.
I ran it through the Marriland Damage Calculator and the calculated damage came out to between 60 and 71 damage.

What could have possibly caused this?

In hind sight, I really should have saved the battle and uploaded it.

mrbopper · May 11th, 2012, 12:24:04 AM

Did the thundurus ONLY use thunderbolt? because if so, he very well could have been choice specs.

Ignitrua · May 11th, 2012, 7:14:42 AM

Idt Specs boosts damage from 71 to 186. It's probably just a hacker, live with it and move on. It happens, #don't feel blue, don't feel blue!#

Dimsun · May 11th, 2012, 7:19:42 AM

Are you sure it wasn't a critical hit? A hacker would have had 1-shot kill on and that looks like a specs thundurus crit(although, if he wasn't choiced, keep in mind the marriland damage calc is for 4th gen!).
Otherwise, he's a weird hacker who doesn't fully power up his mons.

Ignitrua · May 11th, 2012, 7:48:30 AM

Always possible. That said, I've seen plenty of hacks featuring pokes with high stats, but not too high (lv. 100 magikarp with 500 everything for example). I think it's best to just drop this now.

LPFan · May 12th, 2012, 7:06:46 PM

Definantly specs thundurus.

~~homerjunior~~ · May 13th, 2012, 4:39:20 AM

Is there something I am missing seems obvious to be a choice spec, 186+25=211. It fits exactly in with the story.

ClayTRON · May 13th, 2012, 5:09:21 AM

The Thundurus also used Hidden Power Grass/Ice/Water since it was Super Effective vs. my Marowak.

So, Choice Specs is ruled out.

It's alright, losses happen. I'm fine with it.

Thanks for all the insight so far.

Kaphotics · May 13th, 2012, 5:12:58 AM

Just so you know, the damage calculators around the net aren't correct. They use an approximate formula, which can lead to discrepancies of predicted v. actual damage. We've recently debugged the entire formula and articlized it, however there isn't a single calculator out there (yet) which calculates damage properly.

From what you've said the damage discrepancy can't be ~100, so you obviously missed something! (my bet is that it was electric gem crit tbolt)

If you saved the video I could have checked the IV/EV/Stat -> RNG rolls contained in the video file, but alas you did not save it :P. The game does a sanity check on each pkm before you battle so it couldn't have had improper stats.

May 10th, 2012, 8:51:54 PM	#1
ClayTRON Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 9 Russellville, AR	Impossible Damage? I'm a little confused about the last battle I just had. My team just got nearly one-shotted by a Thunderus. It was a dramatic loss, but I'm certain something is fishy here. It wasn't until it knocked my Cresselia down from 211 HP to 25 with one unboosted, non-critical hit Thunderbolt. The Thunderus wasn't scarfed and didn't have Life Orb and their max SpA at level 50 is 194. My Cresselia has 179 SpD. I ran it through the Marriland Damage Calculator and the calculated damage came out to between 60 and 71 damage. What could have possibly caused this? In hind sight, I really should have saved the battle and uploaded it.

May 11th, 2012, 12:24:04 AM	#2
mrbopper Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 97 Texas	Did the thundurus ONLY use thunderbolt? because if so, he very well could have been choice specs. __________________ 7th place at Houston, TX spring regionals (6-2) Spring Friendly- 7th place (2006 rating)

May 11th, 2012, 7:14:42 AM	#3
Ignitrua Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 98 Wrex is clever.	Idt Specs boosts damage from 71 to 186. It's probably just a hacker, live with it and move on. It happens, #don't feel blue, don't feel blue!# __________________ ...You were expecting a signature?

May 11th, 2012, 7:19:42 AM	#4
Dimsun Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 259	Are you sure it wasn't a critical hit? A hacker would have had 1-shot kill on and that looks like a specs thundurus crit(although, if he wasn't choiced, keep in mind the marriland damage calc is for 4th gen!). Otherwise, he's a weird hacker who doesn't fully power up his mons. __________________ † I am a Christian and proud of it!.† My White FC: 3138-5875-0114 I play VGC! Check it out, it's tons of fun, especially if you haven't played it. I almost never play regular OU.

May 11th, 2012, 7:48:30 AM	#5
Ignitrua Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 98 Wrex is clever.	Always possible. That said, I've seen plenty of hacks featuring pokes with high stats, but not too high (lv. 100 magikarp with 500 everything for example). I think it's best to just drop this now. __________________ ...You were expecting a signature?

May 12th, 2012, 7:06:46 PM	#6
LPFan Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 317 Austin, TX	Definantly specs thundurus. __________________ 09:Juniors Dallas DQed 10:Juniors Dallas 3rd, nats 4th, world 7th 11:Seniors Dallas 2nd round, LCQ 3rd round 12:Seniors Houston 1st place Nats:Top 32, bs hax lol Glad to do VGC team rates. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3467418

May 13th, 2012, 4:39:20 AM	#7
~~homerjunior~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 12	Is there something I am missing seems obvious to be a choice spec, 186+25=211. It fits exactly in with the story.

May 13th, 2012, 5:09:21 AM	#8
ClayTRON Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 9 Russellville, AR	The Thundurus also used Hidden Power Grass/Ice/Water since it was Super Effective vs. my Marowak. So, Choice Specs is ruled out. It's alright, losses happen. I'm fine with it. Thanks for all the insight so far.

May 13th, 2012, 5:12:58 AM	#9
Kaphotics Remodeling Kitchens Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 758 Berkeley, CA	Just so you know, the damage calculators around the net aren't correct. They use an approximate formula, which can lead to discrepancies of predicted v. actual damage. We've recently debugged the entire formula and articlized it, however there isn't a single calculator out there (yet) which calculates damage properly. From what you've said the damage discrepancy can't be ~100, so you obviously missed something! (my bet is that it was electric gem crit tbolt) If you saved the video I could have checked the IV/EV/Stat -> RNG rolls contained in the video file, but alas you did not save it :P. The game does a sanity check on each pkm before you battle so it couldn't have had improper stats. Last edited by Kaphotics; May 13th, 2012 at 5:28:29 AM.