(Gen 4) Technical Machine's replays

david stone · Feb 3rd, 2012, 10:19:22 PM

As I've been testing TM, I've gotten into some decent battles with it. This thread will serve as an archive for TM's battles that I think are especially good.

List of all battles:
david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=2, stall team
david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=3, stall team
Earthworm vs. Technical Machine -- depth=3, paralysis team
david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=2, stall team
david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=3, BP team
david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=3, BP team

This first battle was played with a near mirror-match of stall teams with TM searching to a depth of 2 (which is almost instantaneous play).

david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=2

In particular, look at turns 2, 27, and 31. On turn 27, TM successfully Wish passes from Blissey to Rotom-W, and turn 31 could have theoretically turned the entire battle in the opposite direction. The entire battle lasts 66 turns.

MegaKick · Feb 3rd, 2012, 10:25:43 PM

Robots are taking over we're all gonna die! Seriously though this is pretty cool bro I am glad that tm is moving along so well.

david stone · Feb 3rd, 2012, 10:38:26 PM

I just had an excellent battle with TM at depth = 3 (with turns taking on average less than 5 seconds), but due to some PO glitch, the battle log was not saved, so I'll just have to kind of explain what happened:

Technical Machine nearly won.

The teams were the same teams as in the above replay (mirror match stall teams). The only reason I pulled ahead at the end was because my Tentacruel got a CH Surf on TM's Rotom-W (fainting Rotom-W instead of having Tentacruel take a Thunderbolt), and then TM's Celebi rolled low damage with Psychic against my Skarmory, allowing it to Roost instead of fainting (by single-digit HP). I really wish this battle log had been saved because it is the best battle I've seen TM do.

david stone · Feb 10th, 2012, 1:27:29 AM

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-dav...ne--2012-02-09

Replay for the war story posted here:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462077

david stone · Feb 10th, 2012, 1:56:40 PM

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Ear...ne--2012-02-10

Luxpluff91 · Feb 10th, 2012, 5:27:59 PM

Those replays are great, the battles were amazing. Great job!

david stone · Feb 16th, 2012, 5:17:54 PM

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-dav...ne--2012-02-16

A very stallish battle (149 turns)

GARCHOMPZILLA · Feb 16th, 2012, 5:39:40 PM

that was awsome! You should ask nintendo if you can work on the subway AI for grey, cause TM seems a lot smarter than they are in b/w.

david stone · Feb 16th, 2012, 7:29:07 PM

Technical Machine also requires much more memory and processor power than exists on a DS. It would require some re-working to get it to play on the more underpowered hand-helds.

Chou Toshio · Mar 4th, 2012, 11:57:29 PM

I play go online, and there are always bots playing 24/7 against players. The bots get challenges a lot more rapidly than actual players do, and the owners of said bots are able to use all the data they get from the matches to make the bots stronger. Originally, bots were extremely weak-- when I started playing go, the strongest were around 6-7 kyu. Now, average bots are around 3kyu (slightly weaker than me), and the stronger bots are 3-4dan (with 8-9 dan being mostly pre-professional and professional players). In other words, they're the level of very, very strong amateur players. I'd imagine making a Pokemon AI would be harder than Go though...

It'd be so awesome to see TM playing on its own at PO eventually-- I'd bet it'd get way too many challenge offers though. Looking forward to seeing this develop~

david stone · Mar 5th, 2012, 10:23:49 PM

All I have to add for that a very simple change, actually. Either have it not reject all challenges from non-trusted users (very easy change) or have it automatically join the ladder after it finishes battling (probably a 10-15 minute change). However, more data would not help me at this point; I can get enough data in a single battle for myself.

But it can still battle anyone online at any time if I log it on, as long as I make one of those two changes.

SkullCandy · Mar 19th, 2012, 3:59:55 PM

How do you actually battle TM? Is it David Stone's personal treasure or is it shared with the world?

Chou Toshio · Mar 29th, 2012, 3:15:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat david stone

All I have to add for that a very simple change, actually. Either have it not reject all challenges from non-trusted users (very easy change) or have it automatically join the ladder after it finishes battling (probably a 10-15 minute change). However, more data would not help me at this point; I can get enough data in a single battle for myself.

But it can still battle anyone online at any time if I log it on, as long as I make one of those two changes.

Ooh, please do this-- that would be so cool if it's not a big problem for your computer.

david stone · Apr 5th, 2012, 4:44:56 PM

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-dav...ne--2012-04-05

depth = 3, TM is using a BP team.

On turn 10, I didn't use Whirlwind because I wanted to see how TM could handle a BP team, but after that, I pretty much played like I would in a real battle. However, I think the only reason that was an issue is because TM has some Baton Pass related bug. Most of the time that it uses Baton Pass, it does not bring out the Pokemon it tries to bring out, which is why at the end, it's stuck BPing between Vaporeon and Gliscor.

david stone · Apr 26th, 2012, 3:51:57 PM

http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-dav...ne--2012-04-26

Powerful BP team! Note that TM only ever uses 5 Pokemon, because once it has boosts set up, it always evaluates BPing to a non-BP Pokemon as a very low scoring move.

Feb 3rd, 2012, 10:19:22 PM	#1
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	Technical Machine's replays As I've been testing TM, I've gotten into some decent battles with it. This thread will serve as an archive for TM's battles that I think are especially good. List of all battles: david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=2, stall team david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=3, stall team Earthworm vs. Technical Machine -- depth=3, paralysis team david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=2, stall team david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=3, BP team david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=3, BP team This first battle was played with a near mirror-match of stall teams with TM searching to a depth of 2 (which is almost instantaneous play). david stone vs. Technical Machine -- depth=2 In particular, look at turns 2, 27, and 31. On turn 27, TM successfully Wish passes from Blissey to Rotom-W, and turn 31 could have theoretically turned the entire battle in the opposite direction. The entire battle lasts 66 turns. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu Last edited by Oglemi; Apr 30th, 2012 at 1:01:33 AM.

Feb 3rd, 2012, 10:38:26 PM	#3
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	I just had an excellent battle with TM at depth = 3 (with turns taking on average less than 5 seconds), but due to some PO glitch, the battle log was not saved, so I'll just have to kind of explain what happened: Technical Machine nearly won. The teams were the same teams as in the above replay (mirror match stall teams). The only reason I pulled ahead at the end was because my Tentacruel got a CH Surf on TM's Rotom-W (fainting Rotom-W instead of having Tentacruel take a Thunderbolt), and then TM's Celebi rolled low damage with Psychic against my Skarmory, allowing it to Roost instead of fainting (by single-digit HP). I really wish this battle log had been saved because it is the best battle I've seen TM do. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Feb 10th, 2012, 1:27:29 AM	#4
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-dav...ne--2012-02-09 Replay for the war story posted here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3462077 __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Feb 10th, 2012, 1:56:40 PM	#5
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Ear...ne--2012-02-10 __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Feb 10th, 2012, 5:27:59 PM	#6
Luxpluff91 Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,173 Kamino	Those replays are great, the battles were amazing. Great job! __________________ Flash Cart Black Friend Code: 0647 6275 4238 (use this for 5th Gen Trades unless otherwise stated) Flash Cart HG Friend Code: 2279 8275 3027 (use this for 4th Gen Trades unless otherwise stated) Luxpluff's Trade Thread! - If I ask you to CMT, please reply in mine.

Feb 3rd, 2012, 10:25:43 PM	#2
MegaKick Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,452 Out getting milk	Robots are taking over we're all gonna die! Seriously though this is pretty cool bro I am glad that tm is moving along so well.

Feb 16th, 2012, 5:17:54 PM	#7
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-dav...ne--2012-02-16 A very stallish battle (149 turns) __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Feb 16th, 2012, 5:39:40 PM	#8
GARCHOMPZILLA Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 307 New York	that was awsome! You should ask nintendo if you can work on the subway AI for grey, cause TM seems a lot smarter than they are in b/w. __________________ Rushing into battle without a strategy is being brave. Rushing into battle without thinking is being an idiot.

Feb 16th, 2012, 7:29:07 PM	#9
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	Technical Machine also requires much more memory and processor power than exists on a DS. It would require some re-working to get it to play on the more underpowered hand-helds. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Mar 4th, 2012, 11:57:29 PM	#10
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,937 Sea Forest	I play go online, and there are always bots playing 24/7 against players. The bots get challenges a lot more rapidly than actual players do, and the owners of said bots are able to use all the data they get from the matches to make the bots stronger. Originally, bots were extremely weak-- when I started playing go, the strongest were around 6-7 kyu. Now, average bots are around 3kyu (slightly weaker than me), and the stronger bots are 3-4dan (with 8-9 dan being mostly pre-professional and professional players). In other words, they're the level of very, very strong amateur players. I'd imagine making a Pokemon AI would be harder than Go though... It'd be so awesome to see TM playing on its own at PO eventually-- I'd bet it'd get way too many challenge offers though. Looking forward to seeing this develop~ __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..."

Mar 5th, 2012, 10:23:49 PM	#11
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	All I have to add for that a very simple change, actually. Either have it not reject all challenges from non-trusted users (very easy change) or have it automatically join the ladder after it finishes battling (probably a 10-15 minute change). However, more data would not help me at this point; I can get enough data in a single battle for myself. But it can still battle anyone online at any time if I log it on, as long as I make one of those two changes. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Mar 19th, 2012, 3:59:55 PM	#12
SkullCandy She Bangs The Drums Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 558	How do you actually battle TM? Is it David Stone's personal treasure or is it shared with the world? __________________ C&C The Smog I <3 the Stone Roses

Apr 5th, 2012, 4:44:56 PM	#14
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-dav...ne--2012-04-05 depth = 3, TM is using a BP team. On turn 10, I didn't use Whirlwind because I wanted to see how TM could handle a BP team, but after that, I pretty much played like I would in a real battle. However, I think the only reason that was an issue is because TM has some Baton Pass related bug. Most of the time that it uses Baton Pass, it does not bring out the Pokemon it tries to bring out, which is why at the end, it's stuck BPing between Vaporeon and Gliscor. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Apr 26th, 2012, 3:51:57 PM	#15
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-dav...ne--2012-04-26 Powerful BP team! Note that TM only ever uses 5 Pokemon, because once it has boosts set up, it always evaluates BPing to a non-BP Pokemon as a very low scoring move. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu