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Winter is Coming!-a 5th gen hail team
Winter Is Coming!       Introduction First of all i would like to thank Delko and the team "Christmas Hail" without me playing a few matches with that team i would have not made such a cool hail team. Me using that team let me see how a succesfull hail team plays and provided me with the foundation to build my team the way i want it to be. I have been wanting to make a good hail team for ages and i think i have finally got one. I am not saying this team is perfect however and that is one of the reasons why i have posted this team so enjoy! Alson my final thanks goes to anyone who has ever created a hail team before. They truely are fun teams to use Hail and its Uses On My Team Hail is the 4th forgotten weather effect. I decided to make a hail team because 1. i love ice types and 2. i love underused strategies so it made perfect sense for me to make a hail team! Hails main benefits are the 6.25% damage on the end of each turn to all non-ice types and the 100% accurate Blizzard. These are the Two benefits my team posses to use hail to its advantage. Additionally pokemon with the ability snow cloak get a 20% evasion boost and pokemon with ice body recover 6.25% at the end of each turn. My team is a Hail stall team which is really great. The reason why it is really great is because Hail damages all but ice types at the end of each turn unlike sandstorm that doesnt damage rock/steel/ground types. Also Ice types are generally rare thus making hail stall a little bit easier. it is also worthy to note that hail is most effective if you dont have a great amount of ice types, thus making your team have minimal weakneses. My team is ussually played with me trying to get Hail up and set up T-spikes and Stealth rock from there i will try to wall my opponent hits and Phaze them with my Defensive core of Breloom/Heatran/Latias. when my opponents team is weaknend then Latias comes in to finsh the fight or Breloom. Team Building Process
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Closer Look Winter (Abomasnow) (M) @ Leftovers  Trait: Snow Warning EVs: 188 HP / 252 Atk / 68 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Ice Shard - Leech Seed - Protect - Wood Hammer Abomasnows nickname is a reference to the title "Winter Is Coming" and the season winter, due to winter being typically cold and snowy. this ABomasnow is sttraight out of the Christmas Hail RMT and i reccomend it this set when building a hail team. in my opinion Leech Seed is essential on any Abomasnow set due to it being his only form of reliable recovery. A combination of leftovers Protect and Leech Seed can help increase Abomasnows longetivity. Although situational a combination of Leech Seed hail damage and a Pokemon poisoned by Toxic Spikes can really drain an enemys Hp stat quickly. Protect is a great scouting move i often use first turn, due to getting lefties recovery while my opponent possibly loses Hp to hail damage. Wood Hammer is a High power stab attack that i use when i think my opponent is switching to either Politoed or Tyranitar. Finally Ice Shard is used for stab priority and the nifty bonus of hitting alot of dragon types very hard in OU Squidward (Tentacruel) (M) @ Black Sludge  Trait: Liquid Ooze EVs: 204 HP / 208 Def / 96 Spd Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Toxic Spikes - Scald - Rapid Spin - Blizzard Tentacruels nickname is a refrence to Squidward of spongebob. in my opionion Tentacruel is essential in all 5th gen hail teams due to resisting 5 of Abomasnows weaknesses bug, Poison, fire, steel and fighting and being able to provide toxic spikes support. He is also a good rain counter. This set is also Straight out of the Christmas Hail RMT (aside from Liquid Ooze)as it is a Tentacruel set geared towards Hail Stall. Tentacruel is my rapid spinner and getting stealth rocks of my side of the field for Abomasnow is awesome. Scald is boosted in the rain which is good against rain teams. but its main benefit is its nifty chance to burn the opponent. Finally Blizzards becaus ethis is a hail team. the speed evs let it out speed unbboosted Dragonite and can OHKO with Blizzard after Stealth Rock damage. an liquid ooze helps against ferros and conkledurrs Gem (Sableye) (M) @ Lagging Tail  Trait: Prankster EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SDef Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Will-O-Wisp - Recover - Taunt - Trick Sabeleye`s nickname is a reference to the to gems that are used as his eyes. also because gems happen to be extremely valuable and so is Sableye for this team. Sableye is important because he is the spinblocker. he makes sure my opponent cant get a rapid spin off much like spiritomb. although lacks the sweeping capabilities that spiritomb posses`s he makes up for it in utility. having priority status to stop pokemon setting up is great due to Gliscor, Scizor and Terrakion being huge threats to my team. He can also cripple the afromentioned threats with wilo wisp which is awesome to have. Sableye is also immune to reuniculus`s Focus Blast and Pyschic which is great as Reuniculus is generally the biggest threat to stall teams. priority recover means Sableye will last longer and Trick is to give Lagging tail to faster threats like Latios and making it easier for Breloom to set up on stuff. Golden (Latias) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spd Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Reflect - Calm Mind - Recover - Dragon Pulse Ahh Latias my favourite pokemon and this is my favourite moveset for her. if you have seen my last team you might be wondering why i am using her again with the exact same set. The Awnser is simple this set is so damn effective and works great on a stall team. Although Sigilyph was a fun and creative choice to use unfortunatly i had to let him go because it has a weakness to rock and elctricity which was really holding my team back. anyway this set works on setting up calm minds on even the hardest hitters on the physicall side of things. Reflect helps with this alot and also is great to boost my teams defense for 5 turns. Recover is for obvious Hp recovery and Dragon Pulse is a move that gets stab that is only resisted by steel. here are some damage calcs with reflect up if you have doubts. Max Attack Choice Band Tyranitar Pusruit; 23.6%-28.5% Max Attack Choice Band Tyranitar Crunch 47.8%-56.5% * its important to note Tyranitars will Usaully go for Pursuit because they think i am goig to switch and when i reveall reflect it is to late they are locked into Pursuit Max Attack Choice Band Scizor Pursuit 23.2%-28.0% Max Attack Choice Band U- Turn 41.2%-48.3% *its Important to note in using U-Turn Latias genrally gets a free turn to recover. So Latias is a great addition to this team and although she may not be the most unpredictable pokemon. This set is somewhat rare thus making it effective Spotty (Heatran) (M) @ Air Balloon  Trait: Flash Fire EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Lava Plume - Roar - Stealth Rock - Earth Power Heatrans nicknaem is a reference to the spots on his skin. Heatran is a great pokemon to have on a hail team because of its ability flash fire giving him boosted power for his fire attacks when he gets hit by a fire type move. Heatran forms my defensive core alongside Breloom and Latias. Lava plume is Heatrans main attacking move that gets stab and a 30% burn rate. Earthpower is there just for coverage and has a nice chance to lowen speical defense. Heatran has Roar to stop set up sweepers and to rack up entry hazard damage. and finally Stealth rock because it is essential on any team and is easy to set up with the switches Heatran causes. 1 Up (Breloom) (M) @ Toxic Orb  Trait: Poison Heal EVs: 236 HP / 212 SDef / 60 Spd Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Spore - Substitute - Focus Punch - Seed Bomb Brelooms nickname is a reference to the 1 up mushrooms in mario. Breloom is great to have on a hail team espiecally mine. With toxic orb and Poison heal Breloom still has leftovers recovery rate which is great. his Subseed set helps tear holes through Blissey and Tyranitar two otherwise problematic pokemon for my team. Breloom brings a nice rock resist and awesome stab Focus Punch to wreck steel types aswell as many others that give Hail some problems. He also works great in conjunction with my Sableye as my Sableye can Trick Lagging tail on a pokemon making it slow enough to be set up on. Often my opponents would forget about lagging tail and think there faster and that is when Breloom starts is SubPunch cycle. Seedbomb is another stab there mainly for Bulky waters. I run Jolly nature because i want to set up on as much things a possible. The evs are to give Breloom as Much BUlk as possible which works great with this team. Breloom can afford to be slow espiecally when Sableye has Tricked Lagging tail onto a pokemon. Importable (for all you people who like to test out teams before you rate and also to anyone who thinks this is a fun team to use!)
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Conclusion So thank you for reading! any advice will be considered carefully as long as this team stays as a hail stall team. If you really liked this team please leave a Luvdisc because that would be great! This team is really fun to use i love it when people forfiet to my Latias sweeping. Thankyou to anyone who has or is going to help because you might possibly have helped me change my team for the better! Hail Teams are Awesome they are the only OU weather i am intrested in at the moment and this is my first proper shot of Weather in 5th gen OU. even if you have nothing to criticise please post your thoughts. I may do a threat list in the future. Final Glance      
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May 10th, 2012, 6:59:19 AM
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Hey SuperPowerDude,
not much i can say is wrong with it due to you destroying me. i guess long arduous weather wars may be taxing however your pokes are not very reliant on it. what can i say great team. i mus say a little more creative than your previous Skarmbliss + Sciztom and that Spiritomb set is beast. btw luvdisc'd Last edited by CrackinSkulls; May 21st, 2012 at 3:49:23 AM. |
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yes CrackinSkulls i am glad that you like my team! yeh often times it is hard to win the weather war but Tentacruel does pretty good in Rain and Sigilyph and Swampert dont mind a little sandstorm!
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May 10th, 2012, 11:25:54 AM
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Hi, nice team!
First of all put a Timid nature on Tentacruel and give him 252 evs in HP and Def. This way you will have the same speed, while you will also be bulkier from both sides. My second suggestion is to try using the standard 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Calm Sableye in place of Spiritomb, with a moveset of Taunt, WoW, Recover and Foul Play/Night Shade. Sableye still completely shuts down Reuniclus, but is also a nice check to SD Terrakion, which completely destroys your team, as nothing can tank a hit from him, while Sableye can priority WoW him and then stall him with Recover, letting Hail, Burn and LO damage do their job. Finally Sableye has priority WoW and reliable priority Recover, which makes Spiritomb look pale in comparison. Also i suggest putting Seismic Toss and Toxic in the place of Heal Bell and Blizzard on Blissey, since with Blizzard as her only attack, and without Toxic, Blissey can be set-up on or get killed from many Special Attackers that she is supposed to beat such as SubToxic Heatran, Volcarona, CM Espeon, SpecsToed, CM Latias, SubCharge Magnezone and Gastrodon. Heal Bell is not so needed anyway, since you already have 2 status absorbers (Sigilyph and Blissey) and you don't have to worry about Spiritomb, since you are using Sableye.
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Hey alexwolf i am glad you liked the team i have tested tentacruels evs and while yours offers more hp it givrs less defense whichvis a bit of a downfall. i really love spiritomb however i will try sablye cause itsound interesting andu do have a goodpoint i have feel no need for tox on blissey due to. t spike howevee i will replace heal bell with seismic toss because you ate right heal bvellvis a bit pointless thanka for the help
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May 10th, 2012, 5:59:17 PM
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Great hail team!! :D I do not see any glaring weaknesses. Your pokemon have great synergy, and your choices are very creative. I am definitely impressed. Well done!!! :D
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May 10th, 2012, 6:06:23 PM
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Hey tikidude thankyou for the kind words i was tryimg to make this team as creative as possible and i am glad someone as liked it!
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May 10th, 2012, 8:40:52 PM
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Very solid hail team. Not alot of serious weaknesses aside from the ones you said. Spiritomb ,though a very creative choice, is just sticking out to me as a weak link. I Recommend either a pokemon with prankster or a pokemon with cloud nine for abilities. (My apologies for not giving an example, Hail teams aren't one of my specialties.) These would help patch up some weaknesses on the team. Prankster will help afflict status where as cloud nine can turn a weather war towards you if the cards are played right
All in all, this team is impressive. Solid synergy, great offensive coverage, and a very creative in that regard. I look foward to face this team off someday. |
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May 10th, 2012, 11:51:57 PM
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What do you plan to do if your hail fails? You should not use blizzard spam in case of a new weather being set up causing the accuracy drop
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Hey little asian kid when the hail falls i usually don blizzard much. sigilyph seems to do fine against sandstorm and tentacruel has got a rain dish and thanks for the rate ninetale3 we should definatlt battle soon i am going to test sabeye in spiritombs place thankyou for the kind words and rates guys!
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nice team, but i think that swampert is pretty much useless in bw since u can use gastrodon or quagsire that both have a recovery move. The main reason to use swampert here is to set up stealth rocks, but u can just put them on blissey instead of heal bell (u dont really need a cleric here, u have blissey with natural cure and sigiliph with flame orb). I also see some problems with volturn team, so i suggest u to put storm drain gastrodon with max hp max defense (it can stop rotom-w, scizor cant do much with u-turn, also landorus with eq will fail a 2ko) with the standard set.
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May 11th, 2012, 5:25:13 PM
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While Spiritomb is a lot of fun and works well on this team, I would give rid of it for Sableye. It works wonders.
(Sableye) (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Prankster EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SDef Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Taunt - Will-O-Wisp - Recover - Night Shade This can save your bacon easily. Trust me, I tried it with the team (which works great). Also, it is a great counter for Smeargle. Taunt will shut it down, and if it is already low on health, it will likely kill it. I would keep the Swampert, since I found that Gastrodon would die quicker than Swampy. Now, you need a good counter to Scizor, as I was close to beating someone and I went from 5 or so Pokemon left to 0 and all my opponent had left was Scizor. I can't think of one off the top of my head, but that is the major threat left that I can see.
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thankyou Vader the White i have been testing sableye in spiritombs place and it is doing pretty well so far it seems to patch up a few weaknesses in my team such as terrakion and scizor. He may take spiritombs place in the future but for know i want to see more peoples thoughts in the poll. alsoAwildcastform appears i find that swamperts bulk is great on the pyhsical side and although he lacks recovery like gastrodon he has alot more defense. also Swampert doesnt need to survive for large portions of the game he just needs to be bulky enough to get stealth rocks up and threaten tyranitar. after that he is only used late game for taking hits and phazing with roar. also swampert doesnt really need recover with Blisseys wishes thanks for the rates guys! keep them coming
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No time for a rate but for a defensive team you NEED a Steel type. You have ways to get around every OU dragon but at the end of the day each one also has the potential to cause massive damage to you. Something to look into until I have time to do a proper rate.
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bubbly you have a good point but steels in genral have a weakness to fire and fighting so who would you suggest? perhaps a specially defensive heatran in Blisseys place? i have been considering steels but i am not to sure where on would fit in. do you have any steel types you would reccomend?
but on the other hand i have not had to much problems with dragons as alot of them are weakn to stealthrocks and alot of them pack a 4x ice weakness that i can expliot with Blizzards and ice shards. also Swamperts arent as common any more so alot of my opponents dont expect me to roar them out.
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May 12th, 2012, 12:17:01 AM
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This team is pretty interesting and good. I like it. I can see some problems with Landorus though as he play around your team very well. With the standard Scarf set he can do some really damage, avoiding Abomasnow, and Swampert. I think that switching to the Skarmbliss core might fix this particular issue. Overall nice team, and do what you will with this comment :P.
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Hey Snapback thanks for the rate landerous seems like a big threat in sandstorm but my team packs a few ice moves that can take it out also sableye can prority WoW it. i had skarmbliss in my previous team andi dont want to take away the creativity if this team however skarm soind interasting and an extra phazer seems quite appealing so i may try skarm later.
Bubbly i have been thinking about what you suggeSted and Spiecally defenaive heatran has been doing quite well in blisseys place thanks agaib guys!
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Bump i have changed Blissey to Spiecally defensive Heatran. also i want to see more peoples thoughts and possibly luvdiscs ;)
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Bumping again because i have added a new member Latias additionally i have added in an Immportables so you guys can try the team before you rate it!
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Hey Superpowerdude, really nice team here. The only change I would possibly make is to switch Swampert out for Conkeldurr. This allows you to keep a strong Tyranitar counter but with priority mach punch, you can check threats such as SD Terrakion, which can be a major pain for this team. It also gives you a pseudo-status absorber, so switching into Ferrothorns Thunderwave or random Scalds isn't such a big deal.
Then you can also move Stealth Rock onto Heatran, who is a fantastic user of Stealth Rock due to the switches he forces. I've been using it over Earth Power, as most Heatran carry Balloon these days so the loss of coverage isn't that noticable and Heatran can be dealt with by a combination of Latias and Tentacruel anyway. Apart from that the only other major threat I came across is Expert Belt Latios, particularly ones that choose to run 4 attacks over 3 attacks + recover. Usually you just have to try and bait a Draco Meteor and force it out from there, but that's hardly reliable. Abomasnow can revenge it with Ice Shard, but it needs to have taken a fair amount of residual damage first. I really like the Latias set, works very well for the team, especially as it can help out against Scizor + Rotom-W VoltTurning continuously. It also works especially well if you choose to use Conkeldurr over Swampert, as Latias lures status to give Conkeldurr the free attack boost. Ok, enough rambling. Great team, good luck in the future and I hope my suggestion helped Peace~ |
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hey lazyboy that is quite an interasting suggestion you have given me! Conkledurr seams pretty good so i get dort of a bulk up and calm mind thing going on with him and Latias. and i still have a way to counter Tyranitar. Stealthrocks over earthpower is a good choice it makes me a little weaker to sun teams and ninetales now with Swampert gone and no earthpower but i will still give it a go because the points you have brought up make perfect sense! and yes E-belt Latios is ussualy a bit of a problem and i usually have to relly on smart play and wearing him down before Abomasnow finishes him of with an ice shard. thankyou for the help Lazyboy!
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I'm still using this team and really liking it. The main problem I have with the team at the moment is fast special attackers who are able to break through Heatran. This includes, but is not limited to Latios, Alakazam and Gengar.
The main problem with these pokes is their speed, so I've been using a slightly different Sableye set, with Trick being used over Night Shade and Lagging Tail over Leftovers. This allows Sableye to cripple these fast sweepers so that they pose much less of a threat. It also has the added benefit of removing several pokemon that give Conkledurr trouble, meaning he has a much easier time sweeping through teams. The loss of Leftovers is the biggest problem with the new set, as hail damage as well as hazard damage can build up a little too quickly. If you can get Leftovers onto it during the game, then everything's A-Ok. The loss of night shade may seem to be a problem, but Sableye becomes more of a pivot against certain threats, such as SubDD Gyarados, CM Reuniclus and SubSD Terrakion. By switching in and taunting these threats, they can then be set up on by Latias for the former 2 and Conkledurr for the latter, both being able to stay fairly healthy with Recover and Drain Punch. Finally, most fighting types pose little problems for this team, as 3 fighting-type resists means they have trouble breaking through. But special mention should go to opposing Conkledurr. Guts prevents Sableye from burning it and at +1 a neutral Payback can still 2hko. It also has the bulk to take +0 Dragon Pulses from Latias and 2hko with the same move, even through Reflect. So I'd also suggest switching Tentacruels ability to Liquid Ooze, as this means that Tentacruel can wear Conkledurr down, turning it's only healing move into a liability. Apart from that I've only made a few minor changes. I stuck with the origional EV spread for Tenta, as whilst KOing Dragonite is amazing, it relies on weather being in your favour. With both Breloom and Dragonite being popular choices for rain teams, I felt Ice Beam was the more reliable option. Also, I chose the EV spread 252 HP/ 40 Sp.def/ 220 Spe for Heatran. Whilst he loses a small amount of bulk (not really noticable), the ability to outspeed 32 speed Jirachi, 72 speed Gliscor and Adamant Breloom can really be a lifesaver sometimes. But enough of my ramblings, I really like this team and it's been fun to use. I hope the changes are still helping and good luck in the future. Peace~ |
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This team is actually quite a good one. I'm using it right now, with a few changes, namely giving Latias max speed and HP fire to help with the team's general slowness, and swapping Heatran and Swampert for sub Chandelure and Empoleon. It easily rips through offensive teams with residual damage, and works quite well against other weather teams.
However, I don't really like how Hail neutralizes your own team's leftovers, especially when you aren't running any other ice types. It adds up, and that's why most people choose Blissey over Chansey. Everything Lazyboy said is spot on. Special attackers are quite scary, especially ones like Gengar that can hit both your special walls super-effectively. Also, I'm not sure if it's just my team, but Heatran seems to wall it pretty easily. Landorus can rip through the team if Sableye and Abomasnow are done (although you probably shouldn't let that happen). Perhaps Empoleon's additional ground and fighting weaknesses hurt more than you'd think. |
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HAAAAILLLLL! My favorite weather, and I think it's honestly the best! I'm even using a hail team right now :D. Not much to say besides that.
The only criticism I would have is give heatran air baloon. Opposing [COLOR="rgb(160, 82, 45)"]heatran[/COLOR] will demolish him if you don't. Forcing the switch and leading to the possibility of them setting up rocks, or worse, forcing you to switch to an ice poke, if thats all thats left. Even though it is fragile, its good because it forces them to waste a turn using a priority(like a scizor that has to BP, theeeen use Superpower, and if you predict well, let it BP hit it with lava plume then switch to sableye!). It also helps you against opposing heatran, and makes him much more effective at walling really, since he loses his weakness to ground. (and soooo many pokes no EQ in this game it's ridiculous). Oh and also Luvdisc! It's a well put together team, with no apparent problems really. Even though from looking at it you seem a tad grass weak, maybe even a little rain weak. Tentacruel, and swampert are weak to grass, and heatran won't survive in the rain. Your only grass move you have is on tenta, and he has trouble staying in, with the different grass sweepers found on rain teams. So a tentative suggestion may be trying foretress over tentacruel? With volt switch, spikes, SR, and RP, he could take the load off swampee and let him have another attack, and the electric attack seriously does help with rain teams, aaaaannnnnndddd he's not weak to grass or water! It's just an idea though, because removing tentacruel does remove your grass move that tentacruel has. But you could also give swampee grass knot, then you have a grass AND an electric attack on your team! Still just an idea! (I just realized your abomasnow has wood hammer, but I still think your grass weak) Anyways, maybe these criticisms will help? Just ideas, though, note that I'm not the best at this game! So take em or leave em! |
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fistr of all thakyou to the people who have givin this team a try and luvdisced it! it makes me really happy now on to buisness
Lazyboy- Lagging tail Sableye sounds like a brilliant idea as E-Belt Latios is probally the biggest pain in the ass for this team! also apoosing Conkledurrs do seem like a problem when i am using Conkledurr but not so much when i am using Swampert as i can roar them out safely. however i am still testing Conkledurr and Liquid ooze sounds quite interasting as mty Tentacruel could not only harm Conkledurrs but also Ferrothorns going for leechseed because Tentacruel often gets in a hazard war with Ferrothorn. Twins-you are right Landorous is a huge threat if Sabelye is taken out but usually i priority wilowisp is all i need to cripple Landorous or i can revenge it with Abomasnows Ice Shard. mklo 14- first off Tentaccruel is part poison therefore not weak to grass. Although air ballon on Heatran is a bit annoying because hail will wear me down it has some pretty good uses as you have mentioned so i will be testing it. Thankyou all for the rates!
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