CAP 4 - Final Product

[bugmaniacbob]

Memento mori.

Name: Aurumoth

Originally Posted by Fat capefeather

Name: Risky Business (formerly "Living On the Edge")

General Description: This Pokémon is very risky to play, but very rewarding if played correctly.

Justification: Many of the Pokémon that are successful in OU are relatively easy to play or have great "safe" options (e.g. U-turn). Yet, many other Pokémon look very powerful, but are less successful than they could be because of some large risks involved (e.g. Hydreigon), and some aren't successful at all (e.g. Honchkrow). This self-balancing concept intends to explore what it takes for a risky Pokémon to be successful, and how much inherent risk a Pokémon can get away with. It should be emphasized that this concept is NOT about luck management, but rather, it is about what the user can afford to do given his/her opponent's options, and vice versa.

Questions To Be Answered:

• What is the relationship between risk and potential consequences, both positive and negative?
• What kinds of inherently risky tactics are successful in the OU metagame?
• Do risky Pokémon need some form of safe options (e.g. switch-ins) to be successful in OU, or can it get away with having few really safe options?
• How does Substitute, a well-known "safe" move with nearly universal distribution, impact how this Pokémon is built and played?
• How do existing Pokémon use and deal with risky situations?
• Can risky Pokémon be played well in the early game, or are they better off put into action later on?
• How do different playstyles interact with risky situations?

Typing: /
Abilities: Weak Armour / Illusion (DW) / No Guard
Base Stats: 110 HP / 120 Atk / 99 Def / 117 SpA / 60 SpD / 94 Spe
Movepool:

Originally Posted by Fat Korski

Level-Up Moves

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(14 moves, 6 VGMs)

-Dragon Dance
-Quiver Dance
-Tackle
-String Shot
-Silver Wind
-Sunny Day
7. Silver Wind
14. Sunny Day
21. Heal Pulse
27. Ominous Wind
34. Will-o-Wisp
41. Final Gambit
47. Ancientpower
54. Wish
61. Healing Wish
67. Tail Glow

There are a number of things going on in this Level-Up pool, so I'll start with the overall flavor I was going for when putting it together. I wanted to touch on the celestial themes of the art design, especially the connotations of protection ("guardian angel") and mysticism (a sense of "the unknown," as it were). Dante tells us that angels can be good or evil, and so I've thrown in a touch of both as they almost duel with one another as the Poke levels up, to make the flavor more complex. These elements not only reference the Psychic secondary-typing without being overt, they also play to the "pseudo-legendary" notion of our 600 BST stat spread by implying a greater backstory than meets the eye (not that I have a particular story in mind, but they should lead to plenty of good Pokedex entries). I also tried to experiment with text-blocking and visualization, wherein if you give the list of moves just a quick skim or passing overview, it should make four words jump out at you without you necessarily noticing: Dance, Wind, Heal, and Wish. That is because those words are all repeated more than once amongst the move names themselves and are often spatially situated either near each other (for impact) or far apart (for the reminder-effect). So, you should feel a subliminal sense of whimsy or lightness from those four words' connotations, even as you read through the list word-for-word. If it doesn't work, then oh well; it's a poetry thing, I'm not particularly familiar with it, and it's not super important.

Moving on, I use the Biblically-significant number "3" as the backbone for three consecutive sets of three moves each: Silver Wind / Sunny Day / Heal Pulse ; Ominous Wind / Will-o-Wisp / Final Gambit ; and Ancientpower / Wish / Healing Wish. The core of the movepool, these three sets all have similar progressions of [attack]-->[general aid]-->[specific aid]. The first set (presumably belonging to the "Basic" or "Baby" evolutionary stage) is much more innocent and subdued than the latter two, which focus on the more mature concepts of suffering (Will-o-Wisp to create suffering vs. Wish to remove suffering) and self-sacrifice (Final Gambit to hurt an enemy vs. Healing Wish to help a friend). The narrative of the learnset, based on this progression, is that while Aurumoth (or its pre-evolutions) can be robbed of its innocence and tempted with "evil" or aggression (@Ominous Wind/WoW/Gambit), as it grows and matures (evolves), it becomes more selfless and "good," in the end. I'm thinking if we go for a three-stage evolutionary process, we could choose any sort of method to flavorfully bring it all together, although I personally think activating evolutions at the learning of Ominous Wind and Ancientpower would be most acceptable in this case: the basic stage could be a cutemon, the middle stage emo or something, and the final stage, of course, would be Aurumoth itself (there are even precedents for evolution-by-Ancientpower, including Yanma-->Yanmega). Speaking of Biblical numerology, although less significantly, I also use a lot of the Biblically-significant number "7" in the Level-Up pool: attacks begin to be learned at L7, all attacking moves are learned at a level with a singles digit of "7", and most moves are learned seven levels apart, excepting Ominous Wind, Ancientpower, and Tail Glow, the three of which are learned six levels after their previous moves, for a touch of subliminal mystery (6-6-6 wtf!?). There are also 12 non-Heart Scale moves to be learned, and 12 is a major Biblical number as well.

The movepool as a whole is largely pacifistic, which I thought was appropriate for a seraphim design, and so the only attacks included here are Tackle (out of necessity for a generic starting attack), and then Silver Wind, Ominous Wind, and Ancientpower. I like these moves not only because of their individual flavor merits (irrespective of one another), but also because they are the three moves available that each have a 10% chance of raising all of Aurumoth's stats at once, but with only 5 PP apiece, which is my sort of tongue-in-cheek allusion to the concept, flavor-wise. Ironically, Aurumoth gets all of its best stat-boosting moves here as well, either by leveling up to Tail Glow or by going to the Move Relearner with a Heart Scale or two to unlock the secret Dancing powers it never knew it had.

Aurumoth gets three recovery moves here: Heal Pulse, Wish, and Healing Wish, and while it can only benefit directly from one (and even then it doesn't necessarily benefit), the moves still offer that "guardian angel" vibe of taking care of its teammates, even if it's at a cost to Aurumoth itself. Other flavor choices include Sunny Day and Will-o-Wisp, which I added because of the angelic connection to fire and flame (Seraph literally means "burning ones"). In the case of these moves, Sunny Day represents more of the "clarity" aspect of the angel-fire relationship ("Clear Sky" is the Japanese translation of the move, and Sunny Day itself is a Fire-type move), while Will-o-Wisp offers the more literal interpretation of "creating fire."

Egg Moves

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(Bug Group; 9 moves, 5 VGMs)

Bug Buzz - Accelgor, Beautifly, Butterfree, Dustox, Escavalier, Galvantula, Illumise, Kriketune, Ledian, Masquerain, Mothim, Ninjask, Venemoth, Volbeat, Volcarona, Yanmega
Close Combat - Heracross, Pinsir
Counter - Crustle, Escavalier, Forretress, Gliscor, Heracross, Illumise, Parasect, Scizor, Volbeat
Disable - Ariados, Galvantula, Venemoth
Feint - Accelgor, Flygon, Gliscor, Heracross, Pinsir, Scizor, Yanmega
Hydro Pump - Masquerain
Megahorn - Escavalier, Heracross, Scolipede
Safeguard - Beautifly, Butterfree, Ledian, Scizor, Shuckle
Wing Attack - Gliscor, Scizor, Yanmega

Legal Move Combinations:

Bug Buzz + Counter + Megahorn (Escavalier)
Bug Buzz + Feint + Wing Attack (Yanmega)
Bug Buzz + Disable (Galvantula, Venemoth)
Bug Buzz + Hydro Pump (Masquerain)
Close Combat + Counter + Feint + Megahorn (Heracross)
Counter + Feint + Wing Attack (Scizor)

Illegal Move Combinations:

Bug Buzz + Close Combat
Close Combat + Disable + Hydro Pump + Wing Attack
Counter + Disable + Hydro Pump
Disable + Feint + Hydro Pump
Disable + Megahorn
Hydro Pump + Megahorn + Wing Attack

Note: not that it matters, but there are actually a few illegalities involving Safeguard; however, since Safeguard is also a TM, they aren't "real" illegalities, and as such I have not included Safeguard in either of these lists, since it is legal with all moves.

Whoa, so here's where the offense comes in. I put Aurumoth's hard-hitting STAB attacks and coverage moves here because, well, it needs them somewhere, and the Egg pool still runs on flavor, just with more leeway. The flavor additions I included are Disable, Feint, and Safeguard, which are all, to various degrees, good double or triple-battle moves (and since I already started with Heal Pulse, I thought I might as well toss in a few extra goodies), and also Wing Attack because lol it has six wings. They also fit thematically into the flavor priorities I gave myself for the Level-Up movepool, in terms of exploring protectiveness (or lack thereof; both Feint and Safeguard do this) and mystical powers (both Disable and Safeguard do this). Gengar has turned Disable into an intriguing move, to say the least, so I hope people experiment with it, especially considering how, should this movepool be chosen, Choice Scarf Pokemon may be commonly relied upon to check our CAP, and a Sub/Disable or, riskier yet, QD/Disable set might frustrate their gameplans.

The only notable move illegalities here are that both Megahorn and Close Combat are illegal with Hydro Pump, which basically means mixed sets will not have auto-Rain abuse built into them. While this doesn't change the fact that QD/TG are both legal with Hydro Pump (unavoidable in the case of Quiver Dance), or that Megahorn/CC are both legal with Surf, or that Thunder is legal with everything, it remains a move illegality that reigns in the power of Rain-bosted Hydro Pump at least a little bit. No, I didn't do this on purpose, but I can at least explain why it isn't a big deal that it turned out this way. So yeah, movedump.

TM/HM Moves

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(43 moves, 21 VGMs)

TM03 - Psyshock
TM06 - Toxic
TM07 - Hail
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM13 - Ice Beam
TM14 - Blizzard
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM19 - Telekinesis
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - SolarBeam
TM24 - Thunderbolt
TM25 - Thunder
TM27 - Return
TM29 - Psychic
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM48 - Round
TM49 - Echoed Voice
TM50 - Overheat
TM51 - Ally Switch
TM52 - Focus Blast
TM56 - Fling
TM61 - Will-o-Wisp
TM67 - Retaliate
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM70 - Flash
TM76 - Struggle Bug
TM77 - Psych Up
TM81 - X-Scissor
TM85 - Dream Eater
TM87 - Swagger
TM90 - Substitute
HM01 - Cut
HM03 - Surf

With the exception of Bug Buzz and Hydro Pump, Aurumoth gets all of its Special attacks here, including its primary Psychic STABs and Electric/Fighting/Fire/Ice coverage. It also gets a physical STAB attack in X-Scissor, which is a more reliable alternative to Megahorn. Additionally, Dual Screens are present, potentially pairing nicely with Healing Wish and/or Illusion. There is never a good way to talk about TMs, so I'll just say that I went through the list with an eye for the competitive VGMs I wanted, type-move and move-move requirements, Bug/Psychic moves, and generically-required TMs. After all that, there wasn't much left to add and so this is the result. Aurumoth learns 43 TM/HMs, with Sunny Day, Will-o-Wisp, and Safeguard as repeats from the LU/Egg pools, leaving 40 moves unique to this list.

Tutor Moves

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(12 moves, 3 VGMs)

Bug Bite
Electroweb
Helping Hand
Icy Wind
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Recycle
Roleplay
Skill Swap
Trick
Wonder Room
Zen Headbutt

I'm glad we finally have tutor moves in BW2! This list is visibly focused on Aurumoth's Psychic movepool, featuring Magic Coat, Magic Room, Roleplay, Skill Swap, Trick, Wonder Room, and Zen Headbutt (over half the list). It also learns Bug Bite as a Tutor move, along with Electroweb, Helping Hand, and Recycle (because it’s what Jesus would do), for flavor.

Height: 2.1m / 6'11"
Weight: 193.0 kg / 425.5 lbs
Gender Ratio: 50% Male / 50% Female
Dex Entries:

Originally Posted by Fat Korski

Aurumoth, the Gold Standard Pokemon

Black: Their wings are made of solid gold. Mysteriously, the gold crumbles into dust when removed.

White: This Pokemon can hibernate for centuries at a time, encased in its golden wings.

B2W2: Looking an Aurumoth in the eyes causes temporary memory loss. Most trainers release them out of frustration.

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That's all, folks!

[Eagle4]

I read all of that? Wow. Anyways, congratulations on your Topic Leader journey, it's tiring but worth it in the end. I've thoroughly enjoyed this process, and you've been a great Leader for the most part.

And who knew you get infractions for poor artwork?

[fryfrey]

holycrapthatanimationlooksamazing. Wow BMB, I have to say, I really liked you being our topic leader for CAP 4! Acting like a beacon guiding us in the right direction, I'd say this was one of our better CAPs. Might I ask when the inaugural battle is?

[Birkal*]

The real Pokedex entries:

Originally Posted by Fat Korski

Aurumoth, the Gold Standard Pokemon

Black: Their wings are made of solid gold. Mysteriously, the gold crumbles into dust when removed.
White: This Pokemon can hibernate for centuries at a time, encased in its golden wings.
BW2: Looking an Aurumoth in the eyes causes temporary memory loss. Most trainers release them out of frustration.

Y'know, for anyone who's interested in that sort of thing ;)

Congrats on the 2k and finishing up CAP4, bmb!

[Flarephoenix332]

I wasn't around for pretty much all of this project, and after reading your final product novel, I strongly regret it. It's exceptionally clear that you tried to put a lot of yourself in this CAP not only because you were the Topic Leader, but because you genuinely love this project. I can only imagine the amount of "fun" and "debating" that occurred during the concept, ability, and allowed moves (and dex entries?). I strongly hope you get the chance to lead another project so I can experience your TLship first hand.

Also, your autobiographical story was very entertaining. I don't have any comments besides how cool it is that CAP 4 finished almost four years after your posted your own concept thread.

[Mdevil]

This was the first CAP I've ever participated in (I wasn't here for the begining but joined in just after the typing polls.) I have no experience to which to compare your performance, bmb, but I can truthfully say I thoroughly enjoyed the process and without a strong leader that would not be so.

[jas61292]

Well, that was a lot to take in, and I'm sure there is a lot I could talk about and comment on, but I don't really feel that most of it would be relevant to the final product, so I will leave that for some other thread or (more likely) various irc discussions that will undoubtedly happen.

Instead all I will say is this. While there were definitely things this CAP that I don't think were handled the best, no one is perfect. You did a fantastic job on this project, and, as much as I had hoped that the TL vote would have gone my way, I don't think there could have been a better TL for this project than you. Oh, and congrats on the 2k.


Now, can we get this playtest started please? :D

[Legend13]

I can not believe i just read all that. I remember the quiver dance discussion... it's almost funny how quickly some of us switched sides...
This was my first CAP project, and i'd like to thank bmb for being such an awesome topic leader.
(I feel sorta inspired now... it's passed)

[Jarc]

Well, i'm happy with the outcome of CAP 4. We had a lot of brilliant ideas for shaping it to the final product it is now. I only participated in the second half, but it was a nice, long journey to the end. I thank bugmaniabob for being a great topic leader and everyone participating in general for the amazing job you guys have done on this project. Till next CAP, farewell.

[nyttyn]

Preface: Thank you, bugmaniacbob, for being a great Team Leader, and for that great post. I learned a few things today, lessons I think I'll be taking into CAP going from now on.

This is the second CAP I've been around for, and I have to say, it's been an...interesting ride. I'm not sure if I love you all more then I hate you, but hey! Cynicism hoo! Can't have the light without the dark, and all that.

I think "Nostalgia and Revolution" would best sum up this CAP. In a way, it was sort of a farewell to arms - almost all of the old, (in)famous posters are now gone, yet at the same time, we've pushed the envelope to a certain degree. We've done things I don't think we would've even considered on a less radical concept, yet at the same time the old has shown, especially in the art polls. But I'm not going to talk about things I'm not particularly experienced with, so instead I'll move into the parts of CAP I'm more qualified to talk about:

Drama. We've done really good about the drama this time around. Sure, there were a few incidents, but nothing on the level of Droughtgate or EVO. Analyctic got close but thankfully nobody wanted to push it that far. The pro/anti-quiver dance camps got pretty nasty, and even I kind of sunk into it a little, but that's given me a new light on handling people, so hey! Lesson learned.

Ability. I think I'm one of the few people outside of bob who actually kind of likes all three abilities. I don't like Weak Armor being perceived as the "Defining" ability, but I definitely like how they can all be taken. This, I think, was definitely the highlight of CAP 4, well outside of the initial discussion before we squared away into our camps and stated fighting eachother.

Finally, movepool. Kind of sad I lost here, and that Aurumoth doesn't have as much utility as it could, but feh! Current movepool is definitely usable, and I'd argue pretty good.

Overall, though, I think we might have decided to close our eyes and shut our ears on how much BW2 changed the face of the metagame. I dunno, perhaps i'm just a doomsayer, and it'll turn out fine. But I still think that even with all that its got going for it Aurumoth will struggle to stay mid-tier OU even. (lack of) speed kills, man.

As a new member to CAP, I definitely learned quite a bit from this CAP, and from bob's 2k. And hopefully, these lessons will transfer into future endeavors. I have to wonder who will read this, but honestly, it doesn't matter. I've decided I'm going to try and contribute as best as I can, because I love what we do here. You guys make for good company. And hey, I thought it would be inconceivable that I would win my first submission - but I wound up doing just that.

That, at the very least, gives me hope that my contributions are worth it.

[Pwnemon]

Aurumoth will struggle to stay mid-tier OU

/me jumps off cliff
hi nyttyn

Good CAP bmb, too bad some people were a bit greedy with the movepool

[paintseagull]

yay!
You did an awesome job bmb, thank you!

[Cptn Scienceman]

Well, I've been lurking around the CAP forums for a while (probably since the start of BWCAP2), and finally started voting during the last CAP. For the next one, I feel like I'll chip in a few ideas.

Great work bmb!

[Unitas]

I would really like to thank bmb for a great CAP. I have mostly been a lurker for the past three CAPs, mostly just voting in polls. This CAP was different. I submitted a name just for the heck of it not expecting anything. Turns out, it won. Bmb was a huge supporter of "Aurumoth" and helped me eventually win in the polls. Winning the name poll really helped me feel involved in this project, where it seems as if veterans dominant most stages. I am excited for CAP5 and can't wait for the testing stage.

[Darth Missingno.]

Well.
My brain is still working to try and process that colossal post. I'm surprised someone was able to eclipse my own long-winded nature so completely (even if this was a political discussion, I would run out of meaningful things to say before this point), but I have to say I'm glad BMB went to this much trouble - I think I understand the CAP process loads better than I could have before. This particular lurker will try to do more in the future.
Regarding BMB's time as topic leader, I think it turned out spectacularly. What I wanted to say about pushing the envelope and all that has already been pretty well articulated, and I think this kind of evolution is glorious. I want to congratulate BMB on being as even-handed as he was, and being able to keep his cool so well - no one I know personally would have been able to handle all this half as well as he did. Regarding the perception of bias in what got slated at different points in the process, I don't think he can really be faulted for that - no one is immune to that, and I think the vast majority would have let it influence them to some extent (this may be just my cynicism talking, though).
Finally, the featured arthropod thing was a stroke of genius (completely irrelevant, I know, but it had to be said).

Feel free to ignore my rambling. I probably will. Onward!

[Ice-cold Claws]

Originally Posted by Fat bugmaniacbob

...five excellent sprites, each of which I would have been more than happy with. Unfortunately, the one I would have been least happy with turned out to win in an absolute landslide, which was irritating but not sufficient to break the flow of joy that carried me through to Dex Entry Submissions.

Aww man, but I...okay :<

Anyway congratulations on a great job done!! I could tell you were stressed (caught those thread tags) and I think you've handled it well despite everything

Also I think this thread should be added to Smogon's TVtropes page under Wall of Text which already features BMB
I'm simply amazed at how you can have the drive and discipline to write everything up there

Have fun playing, competitively-inclined people! This spriter will be waiting for the next CAP. (I might even try an art submission next time.)

[ganj4lF]

Wow, not sure how I managed to read all that huge wall of text. Anyway, it was a great first CAP experience for me, and I'd love to thank everyone, bugmaniacbob in primis, for making it that awesome. I'm really curious to see how Aurumoth will perform in OU right now, and...well, after reading all of that I'm unable to write much more.

[Verminator]

Thanks BMB, this was a pretty interesting project to be a part of for a first-timer, and I look forward to trying our sinister insectoid friend out. However, there is no chance in hell that I am going to read all that shit.

[capefeather]

This was a pretty interesting project to be sure. I'm not sure how Aurumoth is going to reflect the concept in the end, and I'm not sure that much was even learned about risk and reward. That said, I've already seen people criticizing bugmaniacbob for being too soft or not soft enough, and criticizing the final product for being too strong or not strong enough. Hell, it's even started a bit in this thread <.< I think both extremes are heavy exaggerations. I'd personally predict Dragonite calibre, but we'll see when the playtest rolls around. Let's remember that we still do have the playtest to reveal things that the building process can't. Whatever is said about CAP 4, I think that bugmaniacbob did a very good job in having and presenting a coherent vision for the project and largely achieving that vision. We've certainly broken a lot of barriers with this project, and we have consequently learned a lot, maybe not necessarily about the concept, but a lot nonetheless.

Of course, this kind of direction was bound to attract people who'd complain about it. In particular, I saw a lot of people complaining about the concept itself with respect to luck, and the efforts that I and others put into reducing the impact of luck on this Pokémon. The interesting thing was that there were a lot of references to high-level play: specifically, situations where two good players were fully aware of every consequence and the result came down to a rock-paper-scissors throw. I felt that, if anything, the fact that we were even talking about high-level play was great. That was what I wanted to happen when I submitted the Risky Business concept. Yet, what frustrated me was that this never translated into constructive forum posts. So what we had left were people who were stuck on "guessing" and "prediction" without really considering that the same "prediction" can be safer or riskier in different situations (this was most apparent whenever people talked about Illusion). So I have to admit that I am kind of disappointed at what I see as a lot of wasted potential, and this project has made me reconsider my opinions on just about everyone.

I kind of mentioned this before, but the irony for the guy who won 2/3 of the major competitive submission contests is that my initial vision for this concept differed considerably from the current result. I envisioned vulnerability to priority, useful immunities, lots of speed, resistance to residual damage, and a recovery move. (I felt that resistances to residual damage would give us more room in other areas, and that a recover move on a sufficiently "frail" Pokémon would actually be more risky than rewarding.) What I came up with was

Typing: Normal / Ground, for high-power, reliable physical STABs, weaknesses to Scald and priority moves, and immunity to Thunder Wave.

Abilities: Guts? Maybe some other stuff... I didn't give much thought to this stage.

Stats: High Attack and Speed, was thinking around 110 Attack like Lucario, maybe higher. Low physical bulk, maybe it could barely survive Scizor's Bullet Punch or something. Maybe a bit more special bulk.

Moves: Obvious STABs (Double-Edge, Return, Earthquake), Wild Charge, Fire Punch, Recover. Was seriously considering no offensive setup moves.

I figured that we at CAP could make something like Honchkrow or Staraptor, but actually highly used instead of languishing in UU or BL.

Of course, the exact opposite occurred on all of these fronts. I'm not saying that I disapproved of the almost immediate deviation from what I had in mind, because I didn't and I thought it would still be interesting enough to see something that wasn't "Honchkrow but good" (though clearly other people were highly disappointed). Again, if nothing else, I rather enjoyed the process this time around for the most part, though some will attest to an increased stress level for the stage that I'd end up not winning. Good show overall.

[Korski]

[srk1214]

I agree with many of cape's points. This process hardly went the way I expected the concept to turn out. I also agree that I don't think the end result reflects the concept of risk and reward in nearly the best way possible, if at all. However, I hesitate to say any of that "blame," if you will, falls on bmb. Last time I checked, we all got one vote. I do personally think starting with Bug typing wasn't the best option (Electric/Psychic was the best on that slate...), but typing is really only one aspect of a Pokemon and I can't blame bmb at all for wanting a Bug CAP. We all wanted one on some level. And after that stage, I feel the real issue was that we never had a cohesive vision as a group for where Aurumoth was gonna go, and that led to a few instances of voting decisions opposing earlier decisions. And no I'm not (just) referring to abilities.

Really all I can say about Aurumoth is I await the playtest. This is probably the first time I've disagreed with just about every decision CAPers (note: not bmb so stop yelling at him) made along the way. I haven't agreed with the majority of the decisions actually on every CAP now since Voodoom, so I guess I just haven't adapted to 5th Gen CAP well lol. Here's hoping I come out of the next CAP feeling more satisfied because right now, for me, the process has just stopped being fun.

Infighting and drama were not as bad this time around as last, but I don't see why we have to settle and accept it as fact. Let's do this right. We can have discussion and even argument without drama. We've done it before.

And now to summarize the conflicting points of view on the final product.
Person A: ERMAHGERD IMMA DESTROY YOU WITH MA BROKENMOTH
Person B: Lol only n00bs use AuruFAIL. Even in its own playtest it's outclassed. It won't even get used in the CAP meta.

So... yeah. Let's see who's right. My money is it's closer to A, though more meta-centralizing than broken, obviously.

[CiteAndPrune]

Congrats on a job well done, BMB. Aurumoth looks awesome as a final product and I am looking forward to what lessons the playtest will bring with it.

This was the 2nd CAP project since I stopped lurking and began posting (and first when I participated from the very beginning), so I don't have much comparison between this and old times. However, given BMB and Deck Knight's leadership I have nothing against a strong vision from the topic leader. If the project was directionless it'd fall to pieces before anything became of it.

There were times that I was disappointed with the options as a poll began, and there were times when I was upset with the poll results dictated by the votes. What I had in mind given the concept wasn't like this finished product, that's true. But as the process continued I warmed up to various choices - by the time of Movepoll Submissions I saw the merits of No Guard, for example. I guess X-Act summed it up best, in that post you quoted. No one person's vision is right or wrong or can be proven so, and that is why democracy works in CAP. The times when you didn't take a side but let the polls decide matters - such as for whether or not Quiver Dance should be allowed - were very democratic steps that did good for the project overall, I feel. I'll be taking this lesson with me for future CAP projects.

Oh and that final product post wasn't very long at all. I'm used to reading through long posts - and from getting to know you better over these two months I'll keep an eye out on your posts always, knowing good things await me there. Once again, congratulations BMB.

[Delta Nite]

Although I lurked as I've been doing since Necturna during the most of this project, I can't say I'm disapointed. From the 3 TLs I've seen, bmb wins as the best one, IMO. Congrats on your 2k and on being one of the best TLs CaP has had.

Also, I was bugmaniacbill on IRC. Yes. I'm that creepy.

[Demist]

While I didn't take much of a part in CAP, or this CAP in general, I feel happy with what the community came up. Despite the first look at that huge wall of text, I very much enjoyed reading your 2k post (congratulations on it as well ^^), sometimes smiling, sometimes taking your words seriously, but in the end I'm proud of your view on CAP community and you, as the TL of CAP5, Aurumoth.
I am encouraged by your words to try getting involved in community, not being afraid of making mistakes, and posting stuff with some thought, not blindly.
Thank you, bugmaniacbob, and thank you, CAP community for this project. Now I'm eager to start some quality work, even though I'm not sure what I want here from myself.
Thank you again, and I'm looking forward to what future brings ^^

[NMx13]

Originally Posted by Fat bugmaniacbob

Fortunately, I had faith in No Guard – I do have a very great love of bizarre ways of doing things, which has manifested itself in multiple places in this CAP – and more importantly, I had faith in the effect of the poll as I had set it up. There were those who wanted a third ability at any cost, those who simply had a vendetta against Illusion, and those who were probably trying to troll the concept

Hopefully this will never happen again -_- Im little bit disappointed that people voted for No Guard but oh well.. No Guard is best ability for Aurumoth...


random calc's

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CB Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aurumoth: 45.15 - 53.46%
CB Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 100 HP/0 Def Aurumoth: 42.22 - 50%
CB Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 100 HP/0 Def Aurumoth (-1 Def): 63.21 - 74.61
CB Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 100 Def Aurumoth: 40.99 - 48.47% 


(Little bit offtopic)
Most sets are running with 100 HP EVs on Aurumoth Pre-Playtesting thread.
I dont really see any point in it, because it is so small difference, go put EVs to def (note: quiver dance boost SpDef).


GRATS!!! bugmaniacbob =)