CAP 3 - Sprite Submissions - Page 4

rockspet · May 23rd, 2012, 3:58:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat wdistance

Teravolt: I like that you are trying original poses, but the head still looks funny to me.

Yeah, you should try to have it look up just a bit more, or make the head a bit less curved.

TeraVolt · May 23rd, 2012, 5:48:18 PM

Better?

Quanyails · May 23rd, 2012, 8:53:48 PM

I've been trying out an animation for Mollux:

<image redacted>

Still a WIP, of course, as I only have one loop. Of course, I'm an amateur at animation, so constructive criticism would be nice. :) I only have ImageReady, so I'm trying to make the best of it.

Comments:

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Doran Dragon · May 23rd, 2012, 10:12:58 PM

i like the thicker neck than the string look. thanks quan. :)

Banryu · May 24th, 2012, 12:59:28 AM

That animation looks great for a start, Quan. Aside from the occasional side-actions that the BW Pokemon animations have (honestly not that big of a deal to me), I'd love to see the material inside his lavalamp shell move like an actual lavalamp, with stuff rising and falling instead of only jiggling and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, it looks great, but that would just kick it up a step higher, I think. LOL whoops. Animations got banned.

Hmm, at first I was going to be leaning toward a smaller design, like around Shuckle's size, but after some of these, I can see the merits of a larger one. This guy (Mollux, as I believe it was decided) looks great with the extra details and shading granted by a bigger sprite, and he doesn't necessarily need to be small like Krilowatt was and stuff.

Other sprites I like are Doug's, Wyverii's, aragornbird's, and with some further improvement, Teravolt's.

Wyverii is giving some great advice in here too.

pkmn-taicho321 · May 24th, 2012, 1:00:51 AM

Quanyails how many frames do you have in that animation? it looks really smooth for a sprite animation pokemon black style.

Not that that's a bad thing it's a very good sprite animation, I'm just curious. I love the blink frame as well as the slight uncurling of the tentacles. it's a very nice touch in an already amazing sprite.

TeraVolt · May 24th, 2012, 7:19:56 AM

Some minor improvements:

@Quanyails
Not sure what you meant by "lens like"
Thanks for all the feedback, anything else?

Captain Scotland · May 24th, 2012, 10:26:38 AM

@TeraVolt, I like the body and pose you have going on for Mollux, but the lamp has an odd looking curvature about it: it looks like it's drooping in the back. Your pose is among my favorites, so keep it up!

Wyverii · May 24th, 2012, 6:17:16 PM

We are placing a ban on animations being posted in this thread.

Concerns have come up since Necturine's (CaP 2, pre-evo) sprite poll where the animation appeared to give the submitter a marked advantage over the other participants. It should never be required for artists to be able to do animation in order to level the playing field.

You can make an animation if you want and hand it in if your sprite wins the final poll. Just do not post it in the thread or you will be warned.

***DougJustDoug***** · May 24th, 2012, 6:22:38 PM

I changed up the face on my front sprite, based on feedback about the "lips" looking wrong. These are more correct to the design, and this makes the face look "cuter", IMO.

I also have made a first attempt at a back sprite:

I don't like many things about this back sprite, but I'm still working on it. Getting the legs to look correct, when viewed from the back, has been particularly difficult.

Gun6 · May 24th, 2012, 7:13:45 PM

In response to some critique, I've adjusted the contrast of the lava lamp and the tip of the lava lamp. Is this any better?

<---

Quark · May 24th, 2012, 9:56:41 PM

the sprite design I was working on. I couldn't decide if it seemed to big.

DougJust Doug- I like your shiny and back sprite. Seeing the bulging bottom of the lava lamp is pretty neat

zyrefredric · May 24th, 2012, 10:41:44 PM

I'd have to say DJD's shiny colors are the best, and I love the unique pose as well.

Banryu · May 25th, 2012, 2:02:41 AM

Err... Quark, I think your sprite may be too large for the thread's established parameters. You should double-check the OP and size it properly. Also, I recommend a file format that isn't jpeg, yours is pretty fuzzy. Use PNG or GIF.

Mysticuno · May 25th, 2012, 2:55:32 AM

Doran Dragon- Your sprite looks like it needs a little more shading around the neck to give it volume and definition. Your backsprite should have darker shading towards the ground and the areas closer to the lava lamp.

TeraVolt- It's hard to see the lighting on the lava lamp in the shiny sprite. I do like the way the lava inside the lamp is.

DJD- Your front sprites are amazing! The backsprite's legs are a bit odd though, especially the leftmost leg (which is the rightmost in the front sprite). In the front sprite, it looks as if the leg curls in front of the whole tentacle/forearm, but the backsprite contradicts that by having it curing behind the arm. That's a small inconsistency. Other than that, your sprites are the best.

Gun6- Yes, the contrast is much better, although the blobs inside the lamp look like they should have more life in them. Perhaps add a color around the blobs so that that they give the illusion of glowing?

May 25th, 2012, 4:20:33 AM

DJD, about your back sprite, it looks fantastic, but there's just one little thing bugging me: lava lamps are supposed to be kind of transparent, but Molly's head disappears behind it completely on the lower left corner:

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Doran Dragon also has this issue.

fryfrey · May 25th, 2012, 7:52:30 AM

I see CAP 3's shell to be no more than 2.5 feet tall. As a result, I find Wyverii's and Ice-Cold Claws' sprites to be perfect

noobiess · May 25th, 2012, 11:10:57 AM

Here is my sprite :)

Male/Male shiny
Female/Female shiny

Dorandragon: I really like your pose. It looks really dynamic
Aragornbird: You are defenatly my favorite. It just looks perfect :)

TeraVolt · May 25th, 2012, 11:52:16 AM

Thanks for all the feedback :)
Here's another update:

Fixed up the tentacle leg....things
also darkened the yellows on the shiny sprite
and tried to tidy up the lamp's back's outline

***DougJustDoug***** · May 25th, 2012, 12:53:20 PM

Made several tweaks to the back sprite, based on feedback.

Thanks to Mos-Quitoxe for pointing out the shading inconsistencies with the back sprite in relation to ingame back sprites. I changed it to cover most of the back sprite in shadow, and only put small top highlights on a few features. Great tip, Mos.

Thanks to Asylum Rhapsody for the tip about the lamp transparency. I added the see-through effect in the small place you noted, and I like it. I love little details like that, even though most people won't notice it.

Thanks Mysticuno for feedback on the tentacles. I changed up the big tentacle on the back sprite to be pretty much a horizontally flipped carbon copy of the front sprite tentacle, and then re-shaded accordingly. It's still not perfect, and I plan to keep working on it, but I like it better than it was before. Thanks for helping me work through the issues with it.

As for the other sprites in this thread, I like almost all of them. Wyverii's is probably my favorite overall, because it is so crisp, clean, and well-planned. I love the pose Gun6 is working. Noobiess has a lovely front sprite, and I look forward to seeing the back. I like the colors and shading of ElementalPenguin's sprite. Doran Dragon has the cutest sprite in the thread. I like Quanyail's lava lamp shell the best of all in the thread. Aragornbird doesn't know how to make a bad sprite, and his Mollux sprite continues his tradition of spriting excellence.

Lot's of great work by everyone so far.

Doran Dragon · May 25th, 2012, 2:14:44 PM

i too added the transparency to the lavalamp, but it may not be too noticable. i also copied wyverii with a size comparison and background check. not sure what to do for male/female differences...

Size Comparison

background check

Tetrinity · May 25th, 2012, 2:46:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Doran Dragon

not sure what to do for male/female differences...

Then don't do any at all. I really like your sprite as is, gender differences would probably feel forced, and they aren't mandatory, so...

Quanyails · May 25th, 2012, 3:17:51 PM

Since some people are doing this, I might as well. (Minor edits on the sprite [and animation] otherwise.)

Background comparisons:

The background colors may seem familiar to certain people.

Sprite comparisons with similarly-based pokemon:

Comments:

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Doran Dragon: Welcome. :)
Banryu: If I could do that, I would. However, I think that'd require a lot of frames and additions, and even then, the rules now dictate I can't show them unless my sprite's chosen. Sorry. :/
pkmn-taicho321: 10, but the blinking that differs slightly each time makes it 20. My one in progress is currently at 42. :P
TeraVolt: I meant that the sprite looks like it went through a lens, so that the light is bent and makes it all curvy and stuff. The lamp is the biggest offender in this, though the size of the feet (the large front ones compared to the minuscule-looking hind ones) also look that way. Such size differences should only be slight.
DougJustDoug: Have I ever mentioned how I like the lava blobs in your lamp? Well, now you know! I do wish the sprite had less dithering, though. It makes for quite a bit of detail. As for the backsprite's feet... Have you thought about the left side of them look forward slightly, and the right side look back? They currently only look tilted in two dimensions, whereas your front sprite's feet look tilted in three. This'll also help trim that illusion that the front feet on the back sprite look as close to the viewer as the hind feet.
Gun6: Better! But I think the lava blobs and the light source in the lamp can be further differentiated. And there's that odd pose again... D:
Quark: You have 96x96 pixels, yes, but that doesn't mean you should try and use it to its full potential. I can't really make out much of the snail in that oddly positioned, artifact-filled image. Shrink it, apply some natural-ness to it, and save it as a PNG. :)
noobiess: Very adequate. Unlike other people, who have trouble spriting the direction of the feet, you have that. However, the feet look a bit spread apart to me--on the side of the snail, rather than closer to the body. The base of the lava lamp is also rather large, so it looks either like it's large, or that we're treated to a high-looking view of Mollux. The blush stickers are nice, but due to pixel constraints, they look square and flat; hence, a modification to that as well. Oh, and remember that the lips are up and down, not left and right!

***DougJustDoug***** · May 25th, 2012, 4:39:08 PM

Sorry for posting an update so soon after my previous post, but I completely redid a big part of the back sprite and wanted to get comments, if anyone has been tracking me on this.

I really hated the legs on previous versions of the back sprite. They just didn't look right, and they didn't convey the angled positioning of the legs in the front sprite (and I like the front sprite legs). So I redrew the back sprite at full size on paper, where I am much better able to eyeball proportions and such. Once I get into the small pixel format, it's very hard for me to "see" the forms as an artist. I admire those pixel artists that are able to keep their artistic perspective when working on a pixel grid. I just can't do it very well. So, I reworked it in a full size pencil sketch and realized a lot of things I was doing wrong. I am MUCH happier with the back sprite legs now. Still not perfect by any means, but I feel better about the direction I am headed. I think it is much more consistent with the front sprite pose. Thanks to Wyverii for help and advice.

I also did a quick lineup of a few snail pokemon sprites side-by-side:

And here's a background color check, which seems to be all the rage here in the thread:

Color check

SinisterSamurai · May 26th, 2012, 1:31:07 AM

Both snail shells and lava lamps come in a variety of shapes in the real world, but I'm surprised no one has done a gender sprite where the shape of the lamp was the gender difference. Nothing wrong with changing patterns or sizes, but I thought for sure I'd see a cylindrical or squiggly lamp on the ladies by now.

May 23rd, 2012, 8:53:48 PM	#78
Quanyails Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 353	I've been trying out an animation for Mollux: <image redacted> Still a WIP, of course, as I only have one loop. Of course, I'm an amateur at animation, so constructive criticism would be nice. :) I only have ImageReady, so I'm trying to make the best of it. Comments: ... DrOfla: The edges of Mollux's feet are linear, too. Those also have to be rounded. :) Now! The shiny back sprite's lamp's lava's shading probably should be changed. The red-rimmed yellow doesn't blend with the green-blue in that situation. Also; where are you going with those lines in the middle of the back sprites' front feet? If they specify a contour, you'll have to use shading rather than an exact line. Doran Dragon: Yay! One tiny thing I think'll make your sprite even better: You see the right side of the neck on your front sprite? You notice how the outlines make it look slightly detached? Connect them. Maybe have them curve the other way rather than as concave lines. elementalpenguin: I do think the pose has to be a little less tense, still. Then there're the contours of the lamp and its that don't fit. Make those symmetrical/parallel! Wyverii: The red blobs on the shiny look a bit... flat. While the yellow could get a pass for being incredibly luminous, the red does not appear the same. A brighter shade should do. Remember to make the lips vertically-aligned, again. TeraVolt: Your spriting style is rather lens-like rather than flat as the in-game precedent is. You should lessen these distortions, and then we can take a look at the other details. aragornbird: Oh, yay! The addition of that pixel on the eye makes Mollux look... inquisitive, almost. Personality in any case! The lips should be up and down, again, but other than that, I don't think there's anything left to adjust. Maybe the anti-aliasing about the neck, if you'd want to get picky... but otherwise, nice! ikasu: Other than adding more colors to make the lamp more easy on the eyes, the sprite should have more shading for more depth--or really, a greater contrast for shading. For example, the backsprites of the lamp are monochromatic. There'd need more shades for that! __________________ . Last edited by Quanyails; May 24th, 2012 at 7:31:06 AM.

May 23rd, 2012, 10:12:58 PM	#79
Doran Dragon Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,158 Isla Nublar; Dinosaurs, fuck yeah!	i like the thicker neck than the string look. thanks quan. :) __________________ Best song ever :) I really love spirit science. Check it out, but keep an open mind. Jurassic LoL: "Clever Champ..."

May 24th, 2012, 12:59:28 AM	#80
Banryu Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,506	That animation looks great for a start, Quan. Aside from the occasional side-actions that the BW Pokemon animations have (honestly not that big of a deal to me), I'd love to see the material inside his lavalamp shell move like an actual lavalamp, with stuff rising and falling instead of only jiggling and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, it looks great, but that would just kick it up a step higher, I think. LOL whoops. Animations got banned. Hmm, at first I was going to be leaning toward a smaller design, like around Shuckle's size, but after some of these, I can see the merits of a larger one. This guy (Mollux, as I believe it was decided) looks great with the extra details and shading granted by a bigger sprite, and he doesn't necessarily need to be small like Krilowatt was and stuff. Other sprites I like are Doug's, Wyverii's, aragornbird's, and with some further improvement, Teravolt's. Wyverii is giving some great advice in here too. __________________ ~ -=ASB Trainer Profile=- ~ Winning like Charlie Sheen Last edited by Banryu; May 26th, 2012 at 7:47:11 PM.

May 24th, 2012, 10:26:38 AM	#83
Captain Scotland Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 51	@TeraVolt, I like the body and pose you have going on for Mollux, but the lamp has an odd looking curvature about it: it looks like it's drooping in the back. Your pose is among my favorites, so keep it up! Last edited by Captain Scotland; May 24th, 2012 at 8:32:17 PM.

May 24th, 2012, 6:22:38 PM	#85
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	I changed up the face on my front sprite, based on feedback about the "lips" looking wrong. These are more correct to the design, and this makes the face look "cuter", IMO. I also have made a first attempt at a back sprite: I don't like many things about this back sprite, but I'm still working on it. Getting the legs to look correct, when viewed from the back, has been particularly difficult. __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

May 23rd, 2012, 5:48:18 PM	#77
TeraVolt Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 145	Better?

May 24th, 2012, 7:19:56 AM	#82
TeraVolt Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 145	Some minor improvements: @Quanyails Not sure what you meant by "lens like" Thanks for all the feedback, anything else?

May 24th, 2012, 6:17:16 PM	#84
Wyverii "What I cannot create, I do not understand." Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 756	We are placing a ban on animations being posted in this thread. Concerns have come up since Necturine's (CaP 2, pre-evo) sprite poll where the animation appeared to give the submitter a marked advantage over the other participants. It should never be required for artists to be able to do animation in order to level the playing field. You can make an animation if you want and hand it in if your sprite wins the final poll. Just do not post it in the thread or you will be warned.

May 24th, 2012, 7:13:45 PM	#86
Gun6 Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 55 Wild JIGGLYPUFF fled... happily!	In response to some critique, I've adjusted the contrast of the lava lamp and the tip of the lava lamp. Is this any better? <---

May 24th, 2012, 9:56:41 PM	#87
Quark Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 48 In my secret base, it's a secret.	the sprite design I was working on. I couldn't decide if it seemed to big. DougJust Doug- I like your shiny and back sprite. Seeing the bulging bottom of the lava lamp is pretty neat

May 24th, 2012, 10:41:44 PM	#88
zyrefredric Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 522 Mandaue City, Philippines	I'd have to say DJD's shiny colors are the best, and I love the unique pose as well. __________________ Want to PLAY a brand new metagame? Visit this Equal BST Metagame thread and tell us what you think. Ever tried A Monotype Take on the OU Metagame? Visit the thread and share your experience.

May 25th, 2012, 2:02:41 AM	#89
Banryu Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,506	Err... Quark, I think your sprite may be too large for the thread's established parameters. You should double-check the OP and size it properly. Also, I recommend a file format that isn't jpeg, yours is pretty fuzzy. Use PNG or GIF. __________________ ~ -=ASB Trainer Profile=- ~ Winning like Charlie Sheen

May 25th, 2012, 4:20:33 AM	#91
Asylum_Rhapsody Guest Posts: n/a	DJD, about your back sprite, it looks fantastic, but there's just one little thing bugging me: lava lamps are supposed to be kind of transparent, but Molly's head disappears behind it completely on the lower left corner: ... Doran Dragon also has this issue.

May 25th, 2012, 7:52:30 AM	#92
fryfrey Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 155 Is probably the only person who doesn't do IRC.	I see CAP 3's shell to be no more than 2.5 feet tall. As a result, I find Wyverii's and Ice-Cold Claws' sprites to be perfect

May 25th, 2012, 11:10:57 AM	#93
noobiess Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 442	Here is my sprite :) Male/Male shiny Female/Female shiny Dorandragon: I really like your pose. It looks really dynamic Aragornbird: You are defenatly my favorite. It just looks perfect :) __________________ check out my sprites and region: click here

May 25th, 2012, 11:52:16 AM	#94
TeraVolt Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 145	Thanks for all the feedback :) Here's another update: Fixed up the tentacle leg....things also darkened the yellows on the shiny sprite and tried to tidy up the lamp's back's outline

May 25th, 2012, 12:53:20 PM	#95
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	Made several tweaks to the back sprite, based on feedback. Thanks to Mos-Quitoxe for pointing out the shading inconsistencies with the back sprite in relation to ingame back sprites. I changed it to cover most of the back sprite in shadow, and only put small top highlights on a few features. Great tip, Mos. Thanks to Asylum Rhapsody for the tip about the lamp transparency. I added the see-through effect in the small place you noted, and I like it. I love little details like that, even though most people won't notice it. Thanks Mysticuno for feedback on the tentacles. I changed up the big tentacle on the back sprite to be pretty much a horizontally flipped carbon copy of the front sprite tentacle, and then re-shaded accordingly. It's still not perfect, and I plan to keep working on it, but I like it better than it was before. Thanks for helping me work through the issues with it. As for the other sprites in this thread, I like almost all of them. Wyverii's is probably my favorite overall, because it is so crisp, clean, and well-planned. I love the pose Gun6 is working. Noobiess has a lovely front sprite, and I look forward to seeing the back. I like the colors and shading of ElementalPenguin's sprite. Doran Dragon has the cutest sprite in the thread. I like Quanyail's lava lamp shell the best of all in the thread. Aragornbird doesn't know how to make a bad sprite, and his Mollux sprite continues his tradition of spriting excellence. Lot's of great work by everyone so far. __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

May 25th, 2012, 2:14:44 PM	#96
Doran Dragon Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,158 Isla Nublar; Dinosaurs, fuck yeah!	i too added the transparency to the lavalamp, but it may not be too noticable. i also copied wyverii with a size comparison and background check. not sure what to do for male/female differences... Size Comparison background check __________________ Best song ever :) I really love spirit science. Check it out, but keep an open mind. Jurassic LoL: "Clever Champ..." Last edited by Doran Dragon; May 25th, 2012 at 2:30:42 PM.

May 25th, 2012, 3:17:51 PM	#98
Quanyails Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 353	Since some people are doing this, I might as well. (Minor edits on the sprite [and animation] otherwise.) Background comparisons: The background colors may seem familiar to certain people. Sprite comparisons with similarly-based pokemon: Comments: ... Doran Dragon: Welcome. :) Banryu: If I could do that, I would. However, I think that'd require a lot of frames and additions, and even then, the rules now dictate I can't show them unless my sprite's chosen. Sorry. :/ pkmn-taicho321: 10, but the blinking that differs slightly each time makes it 20. My one in progress is currently at 42. :P TeraVolt: I meant that the sprite looks like it went through a lens, so that the light is bent and makes it all curvy and stuff. The lamp is the biggest offender in this, though the size of the feet (the large front ones compared to the minuscule-looking hind ones) also look that way. Such size differences should only be slight. DougJustDoug: Have I ever mentioned how I like the lava blobs in your lamp? Well, now you know! I do wish the sprite had less dithering, though. It makes for quite a bit of detail. As for the backsprite's feet... Have you thought about the left side of them look forward slightly, and the right side look back? They currently only look tilted in two dimensions, whereas your front sprite's feet look tilted in three. This'll also help trim that illusion that the front feet on the back sprite look as close to the viewer as the hind feet. Gun6: Better! But I think the lava blobs and the light source in the lamp can be further differentiated. And there's that odd pose again... D: Quark: You have 96x96 pixels, yes, but that doesn't mean you should try and use it to its full potential. I can't really make out much of the snail in that oddly positioned, artifact-filled image. Shrink it, apply some natural-ness to it, and save it as a PNG. :) noobiess: Very adequate. Unlike other people, who have trouble spriting the direction of the feet, you have that. However, the feet look a bit spread apart to me--on the side of the snail, rather than closer to the body. The base of the lava lamp is also rather large, so it looks either like it's large, or that we're treated to a high-looking view of Mollux. The blush stickers are nice, but due to pixel constraints, they look square and flat; hence, a modification to that as well. Oh, and remember that the lips are up and down, not left and right! __________________ .

May 25th, 2012, 4:39:08 PM	#99
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	Sorry for posting an update so soon after my previous post, but I completely redid a big part of the back sprite and wanted to get comments, if anyone has been tracking me on this. I really hated the legs on previous versions of the back sprite. They just didn't look right, and they didn't convey the angled positioning of the legs in the front sprite (and I like the front sprite legs). So I redrew the back sprite at full size on paper, where I am much better able to eyeball proportions and such. Once I get into the small pixel format, it's very hard for me to "see" the forms as an artist. I admire those pixel artists that are able to keep their artistic perspective when working on a pixel grid. I just can't do it very well. So, I reworked it in a full size pencil sketch and realized a lot of things I was doing wrong. I am MUCH happier with the back sprite legs now. Still not perfect by any means, but I feel better about the direction I am headed. I think it is much more consistent with the front sprite pose. Thanks to Wyverii for help and advice. I also did a quick lineup of a few snail pokemon sprites side-by-side: And here's a background color check, which seems to be all the rage here in the thread: Color check __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug Last edited by DougJustDoug; May 25th, 2012 at 4:53:34 PM.

May 26th, 2012, 1:31:07 AM	#100
SinisterSamurai Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 82	Both snail shells and lava lamps come in a variety of shapes in the real world, but I'm surprised no one has done a gender sprite where the shape of the lamp was the gender difference. Nothing wrong with changing patterns or sizes, but I thought for sure I'd see a cylindrical or squiggly lamp on the ladies by now.