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Jun 1st, 2012, 11:44:54 AM
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UU Stats: May 2012
Here's our ladder statistics for last month. Big ups to Antar for compiling them, etc.
Standard UU Rated
Metagame Statistics
Lead Usage
UU Moveset Statistics Discuss away!
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Jun 1st, 2012, 11:53:50 AM
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awesome, didn't use the top 25 on all of my teams
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Jun 1st, 2012, 3:59:46 PM
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OverratedTop still at #6? Really? But he loses to everything...
Okay, Escavalier at 51%? Why is the best Roserade counter in the game (except no sleep) and the 600+ Attack Megahorn Monster getting such low usage? Escavalier needs some more love. Quote:
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Also, can everyone stop using Choice Band Flygon? It's really good and Most of my teams are weak to it. Spikes+SR resistance? :( Quote:
edit: Also, we beat DW OU :D double edit: obviously the sand veil issue is about banning philosophy but it's funny to see people make a mountain of a statistical molehill x_x
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Jun 1st, 2012, 4:11:32 PM
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it seems lolcat still fails to understand that the problem with sand veil cannot be quantified by usage stats.
oh and froslass is underrated, not overrated.
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Jun 1st, 2012, 7:00:20 PM
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Holy shit flygon is high.
Kingdra is surprisingly low too. Froslass is definitely underrated. Nothing much else to say here.
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Jun 1st, 2012, 7:51:20 PM
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Very surprised at some of these. Umbreon at 22 (higher than Togekiss!) is kind of disgusting, and Hitmontop / Claydol are also way higher than they should be. Arcanine above Darm is pretty surprising too, although I would wager a large number of those are defensive (something Darm can't do). Unsurprised at the top 5, though - these are all fantastic Pokemon. Surprised that Kingdra has fallen so low. I suppose I haven't been using my Kingdra team at all, maybe now is a good time to start again.
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Jun 1st, 2012, 8:44:18 PM
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haha look at Raikou
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Jun 1st, 2012, 9:09:44 PM
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Nidoking is accruing so much usage. He can damn near invalidate a bulky offensive team with his standard set alone. I keep telling myself to always keep him in the pocket on a serious team, but I haven't made any serious teams at all lately. Mew and Raikou sit at #8 and #9 rightfully because they destroy teams. I'm hoping one of them can trend into the Top 5, but as Flare said, every one of them is good enough to be there, except for Flygon IMO. Ideally, I'd like to see him at a more realistic number, like #12. But as long as people are winning with him, I don't think he's going anywhere for a while.
Arcanine at Top 10 is laughable. Not in any way a top-level UU Pokemon.
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Jun 1st, 2012, 10:24:04 PM
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Lolwut? Arcanine getting more usage than Darmanitan? That's really unfortunate.
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 12:12:02 AM
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Top being used so much doesn't surprise me on its own - its one of two viable spinners in this tier (Claydol doesn't count). People using him more than Blastoise is very surprising though. Blastoise is pretty meh outside of being able to spin himself but he does serve as a pretty solid check to a lot of threatening mons, including the the most prolific spinblocker in the tier.
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 12:25:06 AM
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The thing is that of you use Blastoise as your spinner you're pretty much committing yourself to having it be your designated bulky water. This leaves you unable to pick one of the better ones without stacking up on weaknesses.
In that sense, and that sense only, is Hitmontop better.
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 5:09:54 AM
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Arcanine is probably that high on the usage stats due to the research week that featured him. At least that's the only decent explanation I've come up with lol.
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 9:19:26 AM
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The thing about Blastoise is that using it kind of forces you into a relatively balanced team, or I guess stall if you're going to lean that way. I've yet to see a single offensive Blastoise actually achieve something because there are just better offensive water types in UU (KINGDRA) right now that mean you're only running it for spin, and if you're only running it to spin you want to make damn sure you get that spin off, and that means you want a bulky Blastiose that's going to take the punishment it has to to find time to spin. Hitmontop can at least mess around with a Technician set and still spin if it wants to (although UH 4MSS) since being a "revenge killer" means it's not expected to take the same punishment.
Personally I just really dislike all the spinners in UU so I either run Xatu which is rare or avoid anything that really doesn't like hazards. It's nice playing an offensive team because it's a lot harder to set Spikes vs a sweeper. As long as you play smart with any Scarfers you'll usually find you aren't facing too many hazards. Ambipom at #4 in lead usage is a joke, when are people going to start realising that a Pokemon who can't do anything to basically any defensive Pokemon and has an extremely predictable move as it's sole niche is a poor way to get earlygame momentum. UU has plenty of Pokemon that get priority and then can actually do something else alongside having priority (Honchkrow, SD Mew, Bisharp, Technitop to an extent, Azumarill, Weavile to name a few) while Ambipom just sits there being a normal type with few good coverage options and gets things set up all over it. IDK if people who use turn one fast U-turn aren't intelligent enough to realise that you can just switch and you don't have to take the Fake Out just so you can U-turn... That's the only reason I'd think people would keep using this thing. Umbreon higher than Shaymin and Togekiss is a joke, both of those are horrible Pokemon to face because of the hax they can inflict on you and yet a Pokemon who is literally never useful outside of heavy stall where the fact that it's setup bait for pretty much every sweeper in UU doesn't matter too much. It beats Mismagius I guess, trying to think of another Pokemon it isn't setup bait for... Rotom-N I guess but Trollfreak and I are the only people that used it this round even though it's great, apart from that even Payback weak sweepers like Mew can beat it because Umbreon's Payback is just that weak. Shaymin on the other hand basically rapes a defensive team every time it comes in with free 100% recovery and hax Flare meaning it has no solid defensive checks, the only thing that's going to beat it defensively is smart switching to drain Seed Flare PP. Togekiss is kind of similar in that it can heal off anything stall tries to do easily and even the best defensive answers can be beaten with enough flinches. Why aren't these Pokemon more popular... |
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 10:35:54 AM
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Want a spinner? use hitmonlee, seriously this thing has ludicrous power and works despicably well with chandelure, hitmonlee removes snorlax and P-2, resists U-turn and can spin away the rocks that plague chandy, give it a go, i'm yet to be disappointed by him.
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 10:47:44 AM
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Eh, Hitmonlee isn't bad but he still suffers from If-I-didn't-have-Rapid-Spin-you-wouldn't-be-using-me-itis. Heracross has dual STABs that let it beat considerably more Pokemon, Medicham has a stronger HJK and a better movepool as well as the typing to actually switch into things, Machamp is infinitely better at being a bulky fighting-type and annoying piece of crap, Hitmontop is better at priority and still gets Rapid Spin and Gallade is better at the whole fighting-type with great SpDef role. Hitmonlee's only niche is combining things all of these have, which isn't bad but puts too much emphasis on his ability to rapid spin; I wouldn't use him if he couldn't. Not being able to hit any ghost that isn't Chandelure is a pain too though a lot of Spinners have this issue in UU because OU takes all the good ones.
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 1:59:48 PM
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Some of the standard sets are wasteful with their EV distribution. Such as Azumarill with 252 HP, when 232 HP/12 Def/12 SDef gives more defenses on both sides. Or, though it's not standard, the Choice Specs Lanturn set on the analysis page.
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 8:41:37 PM
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thumbs up Good luck! |
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Jun 2nd, 2012, 8:46:02 PM
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Jun 3rd, 2012, 12:34:49 PM
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Wtf UU? Ambipom still #34?
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Jun 3rd, 2012, 1:28:14 PM
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Speaking of crobat, it is a ridiculously good stall breaker. So few defensive cores will have an answer to it and it's great at picking of weakened or frail offensive pokemon too. Really needs more love
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Jun 15th, 2012, 1:54:33 PM
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Honestly, I like Arcanine offensivly much better than Darm for a couple reasons. One is Flash Fire. Darm has a hard time switching in, though it's got a huge HP stat, it's defenses are piss poor. Even resisted attacks can take a toll on Darm. Flash Fire allows Arc to absorb Fire attacks and proceed to kill everything. Also, the combination of Extremespeed and Close Combat make Arc very dangerous. It means you don't have to worry as much about investing in speed and can comfortably run a +atk nature (though Darm's Flare Blitz is still stronger). On top of that, not lowering your attack everytime you use a fighting move is amazing. I don't even run Morning Sun, since I hate Chand so much, I threw Crunch on my Arc. To each his own, but Arc is not 100% outclassed by Darm.
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Jun 15th, 2012, 4:22:17 PM
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While I'm not an avid UU player, I play enough to notice some strange things. For one, Krookodile is criminally low. With moxie and a scarf, it can nab a revenge kill then run through the opponents team late game.
Also, if you're looking for a good spinner that can also put down hazards, the Physically Defensive Kabutops in the UU Analyses has actually surprised me with it's effectiveness. It can tank a lot of physical abuse, especially the ever so common fire types. It can also lay rocks down, spin, and has useful priority in Aqua Jet. Try it out some time over Claydol and Hitmontop. Btw never use claydol, it's the definition of useless
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Jun 15th, 2012, 6:08:59 PM
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Wailord used Explosion!
 
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Poliwrath way underrated. This guy is total boss on my team. It amazes me how many people fall for Water Absorb multiple times in a match!
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Jun 15th, 2012, 6:47:25 PM
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MUST USE SCALD.
Water absorb? pfff. I WILL BURN EVERYTHING WITH HAX BU---oops, water absorb. Yeah, I thought about using it since infinite switch ins to all those scalds sounds pretty great, but it's a bad slowbro switch in, and that's the hardest one to deal with. |
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