CAP 3 - Part 13 - Movepool Submissions - Page 5

LouisCyphre · Jun 10th, 2012, 5:32:51 PM

Heh, knew I was out for not having Stealth Rock. Maybe I should try and squeeze it in somewhere...? Toxic Spikes just ain't what they used to be.

EDIT: Dropped Sleep Talk for Stealth Rock, I guess. It's illegal with Hurricane but I doubt a Recover + Rapid Spin + Stealth Rock set would use Hurricane over Lava Plume.

DTC · Jun 10th, 2012, 6:18:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Malkyrian

So, after a bit of work, I went and made this. It's a spreadsheet, showing who has what moves, among the movepools listed in Deck's slate in post 96. I feel like it'll help people make better informed votes. Of course, I encourage people to check movepools as they stand, since neither flavor moves nor specific egg move illegalities are listed on the spreadsheet. Also, please let me know if I missed anything in making the spreadsheet so I can fix any issues.

Movepools listed below:

nyttyn
Malkyrian
capefeather
bugmaniacbob
DTC
uwnim
kjt

So proud to be on the slate. Good luck to all submissions!

I'm a lazy motherfucker so one of the egg groups in my movepool submission is Field (plus Torkoal gets it!). Smeargle is part of the field egg group, so there are no Egg Move combination illegalties.

Otherwise, great job.

zyrefredric · Jun 10th, 2012, 7:44:23 PM

My submission is also already final. I haven't had the time to explain the competitive and flavor of it, but if you could look it over, you would notice that it is unique enough to have worth. Looking at the spreadsheet Malkyrian made, there are many moves that are not even found in any of the slated submissions. I hope this uniqueness is enough for the submission to be considered.

**jas61292** · Jun 10th, 2012, 9:55:09 PM

Oh man, I have been really busy these past few days, so, just like last CAP, I will not have time to finish up a movepool of my own, though I would still like to give my opinions.

Personally, I do not like Hurricane for Mollux. I think it is inferior to Thunder in most ways when they are separate, and just adds bad flavor in addition to restricting Thunder itself by making it not a TM move, and thus having illegalities. Outside of this though I think most sets have every offensive move I care about, and there is nothing other than Hurricane that I really have a problem with in this department.

Next, I think Mollux really needs Recover, and should be allowed to have it on any set. There are a few other main moves I want, and while I don't care if everything can be used together, I think Mollux should have the option of using Recover with any other given moves. This means I only really like movepools that have Recover as a level up move, or as an Egg Move but with no illegalities with key competitive moves. Due to the commonly chosen egg groups though, the former is much more common.

The other moves that I really want for Mollux are Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin. While I don't think it is a big deal whether or not two to be available together, I do think it would be ideal if they were. These, along with Recover are key to giving it a nice supportive role, and not just forcing it to power along offensively.

Overall, I think competitively my favorite movepool is Korski's. It has TM Thunder, Level Up Recover, Rapid Spin and Recover legal together as egg moves via Kabutops, and plenty of other cool moves, along side the necessary offensive coverage. Now, I will admit, I am not much of a fan of Korski's flavor. Endure, Wish and Confuse Ray in Level up don't really make sense to me, and I am no fan of some of the egg moves, but eh, nobody's perfect.

**Korski** · Jun 11th, 2012, 4:17:42 PM

Thanks for the support, jas. I hope your concerns are the same as Deck's were when he trimmed me off the slate, as I've switched some things around in a last-ditch effort based on your flavor criticisms in your post. I moved Wish to Egg moves (illegal with Aromatherapy, Rapid Spin, and Toxic Spikes it turns out) and took out Metronome, as it didn't really fit after all. I moved some things around in the LU pool to compensate, adding Bide in the process. I then just replaced Confuse Ray with Encore, as Encore has better (but still middling) competitive use and more flavor for its connection to Shuckle, Shelmet, etc. Ideally this fixes up my submission to its best possible form.

**Deck Knight** · Jun 11th, 2012, 5:14:35 PM

Finalized Slate:

Looked at the last few posts, and noticed DTC's didn't have SR, which I think is valuable.

I'm replacing it with LousCyphre's updated slate, since that gives two movepool options with Split Thunder/Hurricane.

nyttyn
Malkyrian
LouisCyphre
capefeather
bugmaniacbob
unwim
kjt

Jun 10th, 2012, 5:32:51 PM	#101
LouisCyphre heralds disaster. Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,206 fucking majestic	Heh, knew I was out for not having Stealth Rock. Maybe I should try and squeeze it in somewhere...? Toxic Spikes just ain't what they used to be. EDIT: Dropped Sleep Talk for Stealth Rock, I guess. It's illegal with Hurricane but I doubt a Recover + Rapid Spin + Stealth Rock set would use Hurricane over Lava Plume. __________________ (CAP ASB \| ASB Ref \| Battle Pike \| ASB Labyrinth \| ASB Inquisition) If I am late for something, remind me that it exists on my wall or in IRC. I'll never remember otherwise. 15:31 <DHR> isnt cocke supposed to go up your nose?

Jun 10th, 2012, 7:44:23 PM	#103
zyrefredric Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 523 Mandaue City, Philippines	My submission is also already final. I haven't had the time to explain the competitive and flavor of it, but if you could look it over, you would notice that it is unique enough to have worth. Looking at the spreadsheet Malkyrian made, there are many moves that are not even found in any of the slated submissions. I hope this uniqueness is enough for the submission to be considered. __________________ Want to PLAY a brand new metagame? Visit this Equal BST Metagame thread and tell us what you think. Ever tried A Monotype Take on the OU Metagame? Visit the thread and share your experience.

Jun 10th, 2012, 9:55:09 PM	#104
jas61292 likes his numbers Moderator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,244 Strong as a Corsola	Oh man, I have been really busy these past few days, so, just like last CAP, I will not have time to finish up a movepool of my own, though I would still like to give my opinions. Personally, I do not like Hurricane for Mollux. I think it is inferior to Thunder in most ways when they are separate, and just adds bad flavor in addition to restricting Thunder itself by making it not a TM move, and thus having illegalities. Outside of this though I think most sets have every offensive move I care about, and there is nothing other than Hurricane that I really have a problem with in this department. Next, I think Mollux really needs Recover, and should be allowed to have it on any set. There are a few other main moves I want, and while I don't care if everything can be used together, I think Mollux should have the option of using Recover with any other given moves. This means I only really like movepools that have Recover as a level up move, or as an Egg Move but with no illegalities with key competitive moves. Due to the commonly chosen egg groups though, the former is much more common. The other moves that I really want for Mollux are Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin. While I don't think it is a big deal whether or not two to be available together, I do think it would be ideal if they were. These, along with Recover are key to giving it a nice supportive role, and not just forcing it to power along offensively. Overall, I think competitively my favorite movepool is Korski's. It has TM Thunder, Level Up Recover, Rapid Spin and Recover legal together as egg moves via Kabutops, and plenty of other cool moves, along side the necessary offensive coverage. Now, I will admit, I am not much of a fan of Korski's flavor. Endure, Wish and Confuse Ray in Level up don't really make sense to me, and I am no fan of some of the egg moves, but eh, nobody's perfect. __________________ <jas61292> I record everything <nyttyn> prove it. <nyttyn> WHAT WAS THE VERY FIRST THING I EVER SAID IN THIS CHANNEL. <jas61292> [06/02/12 \| 12:43] <NyttyN> Huh what deo you know shelll smash did get banned <nyttyn> what. <nyttyn> well congratulations jas your stalker nexus has reached an all time high.

Jun 11th, 2012, 4:17:42 PM	#105
Korski Distilled, 80 proof Moderator Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,004 Minneapolis	Thanks for the support, jas. I hope your concerns are the same as Deck's were when he trimmed me off the slate, as I've switched some things around in a last-ditch effort based on your flavor criticisms in your post. I moved Wish to Egg moves (illegal with Aromatherapy, Rapid Spin, and Toxic Spikes it turns out) and took out Metronome, as it didn't really fit after all. I moved some things around in the LU pool to compensate, adding Bide in the process. I then just replaced Confuse Ray with Encore, as Encore has better (but still middling) competitive use and more flavor for its connection to Shuckle, Shelmet, etc. Ideally this fixes up my submission to its best possible form. __________________ "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not." - John Lennon

Jun 11th, 2012, 5:14:35 PM	#106
Deck Knight Jigen Makkoto Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,849 Massachusetts	Finalized Slate: Looked at the last few posts, and noticed DTC's didn't have SR, which I think is valuable. I'm replacing it with LousCyphre's updated slate, since that gives two movepool options with Split Thunder/Hurricane. nyttyn Malkyrian LouisCyphre capefeather bugmaniacbob unwim kjt __________________ [17:53] <&Deck_Knight> If I Cite and Prune CiteandPrune's post, what does that make me? [17:54] <Birkal> a citeandprune cite and prunner [17:54] <%DHR> O_o lol [17:54] <+Mos_Quitoxe> Cite and Prune doesn't do enough of either [17:55] <+Mos_Quitoxe> can we make him change it or force him to pay damages [17:55] <&Deck_Knight> It would be a lot easier for him to Cite and Prune if we made him a mod. [17:56] <&Deck_Knight> I delegate this task to Birkal. [17:57] <Birkal> >:\|