Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 - Mark 2 ** Spoilers **

[SMZ]

Originally Posted by Fat Missingno. Master

Um... I'm pretty sure Aggron already had Autotomize. I know for a fact Steelix already had it, one was the father of my Autotomize Vanilluxe.

Oh wait I confused Autotomize with Shift Gear; my bad.

[blasphemy1]

Originally Posted by Fat shnen

not entirely, it's useful to give it a 2hko on things like slowking in RU

A 49% chance to 2hko when the opponent has Regenerator isn't exactly reliable... You're better off setting up Sunny Day or using U-Turn to gain momentum to be honest (or Toxic Stall it).

[Missingno. Master]

Originally Posted by Fat SMZ

Oh wait I confused Autotomize with Shift Gear; my bad.

Ah, OK. Yeah, Shift Gear Aggron and Steelix, now THAT would have been awesome.

[Doom Chaos]

Zapdos...

It breaks my heart to see you miss out on Hurricane...

Hopefully you won't become the new Flareon. Please don't become the new Flareon. I'm begging you. Get Hurricane in the next game.

[Jumpman16**]

uh how can it be the new flareon when it stands to become a bog standard 2v2 mon with lightning rod and heat wave, it's not even close

[Saitsuofleaves]

Originally Posted by Fat Doom Chaos

Zapdos...

It breaks my heart to see you miss out on Hurricane...

Hopefully you won't become the new Flareon. Please don't become the new Flareon. I'm begging you. Get Hurricane in the next game.

I fail how to see it will become the next Flareon when it's already pretty damn solid with having Lightningrod and Heat Wave and such. Yeah, the lack of Hurricane hurts, but at least it has a niche.

[Missingno. Master]

Originally Posted by Fat Doom Chaos

Zapdos...

It breaks my heart to see you miss out on Hurricane...

Hopefully you won't become the new Flareon. Please don't become the new Flareon. I'm begging you. Get Hurricane in the next game.

Zapdos can still make do with the movepool it has. In order to qualify as the new Flareon, a Pokémon has to have good offensive stats and sucktastic everything else, up to and including movepool. If anything, Heatmor is the next Flareon. No physical STAB whatsoever, unless the new tutors are giving it access to Fire Punch.

[Anikrahman1995]

There is a hurricane tutor if i am not mistaken. Zapdos still has a chance to shine.

[DFang]

Originally Posted by Fat Anikrahman1995

There is a hurricane tutor if i am not mistaken. Zapdos still has a chance to shine.

You are mistaken, check out the first post.

[Doom Chaos]

By becoming the new Flareon, I meant that Zapdos will never, ever get the move people are waiting for.

Zapdos is awesome and rocks, don't get me wrong. But giving Hurricane to the other birds (even WINGULL) is just trolling ala Flareon.

[Missingno. Master]

Originally Posted by Fat Doom Chaos

By becoming the new Flareon, I meant that Zapdos will never, ever get the move people are waiting for.

Zapdos is awesome and rocks, don't get me wrong. But giving Hurricane to the other birds (even WINGULL) is just trolling ala Flareon.

Ah, OK, yeah, that's true enough. I notice that not only did Flareon once again miss out on Blaze Kick, but none of the Eeveelutions got anything new in the way of level-up moves.

[IcyMan28]

Originally Posted by Fat Doom Chaos

By becoming the new Flareon, I meant that Zapdos will never, ever get the move people are waiting for.

Zapdos is awesome and rocks, don't get me wrong. But giving Hurricane to the other birds (even WINGULL) is just trolling ala Flareon.

Wingull has had Hurricane since BW, since it is a Water/Flying type (water and air elements to a Hurricane).

Anyway, I wonder why they didn't expand egg moves this time around? They went overboard on the tutor moves so I'm not complaining, but it's something they've done every time.

Ah, OK, yeah, that's true enough. I notice that not only did Flareon once again miss out on Blaze Kick, but none of the Eeveelutions got anything new in the way of level-up moves.

Vaporeon got Water Pulse, which is nice because you otherwise had to rely on Water Gun until Surf.

[bluemon]

I think Zapdos would have been too powerful with hurricane, honestly.

I mean, really?

252 SpAtk Life Orb Zapdos (+SpAtk) Hurricane vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Gastrodon (+SpDef) : 52.35% - 61.5%
2-3 hits to KO (with Leftovers)

Originally Posted by Fat IcyMan28

Wingull has had Hurricane since BW, since it is a Water/Flying type (water and air elements to a Hurricane).

Anyway, I wonder why they didn't expand egg moves this time around? They went overboard on the tutor moves so I'm not complaining, but it's something they've done every time.



Vaporeon got Water Pulse, which is nice because you otherwise had to rely on Water Gun until Surf.

They were feeling trolly

[Saitsuofleaves]

Originally Posted by Fat Doom Chaos

By becoming the new Flareon, I meant that Zapdos will never, ever get the move people are waiting for.

Zapdos is awesome and rocks, don't get me wrong. But giving Hurricane to the other birds (even WINGULL) is just trolling ala Flareon.

But it's still meh in the end. Zapdos is plenty viable without Hurricane, it doesn't make or break it.

Flareon's movepool is just absolutely atrocious, and without the wanted moves will NEVER be relevant.

In other words, people will get over Zapdos not having Hurricane, but it's kind of hard to get over Flareon having...nothing.

[Jumpman16**]

Originally Posted by Fat Doom Chaos

By becoming the new Flareon, I meant that Zapdos will never, ever get the move people are waiting for.

Zapdos is awesome and rocks, don't get me wrong. But giving Hurricane to the other birds (even WINGULL) is just trolling ala Flareon.

yeah but it's always been the best in its trio unlike flareon, who got trolled in gen iv with SR compared to jolteon and vaporeon where zapdos got the least trolled compared to arti and moltres (they take 4x, it doesnt). it's gotten much better than its brothers every single gen too, being the only of the three to get drill peck in Gen I. with arti losing its SpA in gen II and moltres being hard-countered by the always OU Starmie since the beginning of pokemon, to zapdos getting baton pass for some crazy reason in gen III (i know it cant have that and lightning rod but still), to getting heat wave in gen IV where SR decided to rule the metagame and make its brothers nigh unusable.

add in its faster speed compared to them, a great coverage move in heat wave that it's rather inexplicably had since gen iv (why should an electric/flying type have a fire move) and an ability that was already great before the SpA boosting Gen V change and certainly much better than snow cloak and flame body, especially in 2v2, and there's really hardly any wonder they didn't give it hurricane. it's like if snorlax got slack off, yeah we would "want" it and it makes perfect sense given that slaking and slowbro get it but really zapdos has been pampered since gen I. flareon has been shit on constantly since gen II, being the only fully evolved fire type to not learn solarbeam in addition to the laughable no flare blitz thing in gen IV in addition to SR

i dont really care that much about it but i miss posting i guess?

[Tytus]

Lots of bird Pokemon got Heat Wave though. I think the designers were focusing more on the wind part of the move than the fire.

Anyone care to ponder why of all the new Pokemon, only Beartic and Kyurem got learnset tweaks and no one got new egg moves? I know we have tutors, but geeze.
GF: "BECAUSE WE DESIGNED THEM PERFECTLY AND THERE WAS NOTHING TO CHANGE."

[DFang]

Originally Posted by Fat Tytus

Lots of bird Pokemon got Heat Wave though. I think the designers were focusing more on the wind part of the move than the fire.

Anyone care to ponder why of all the new Pokemon, only Beartic and Kyurem got learnset tweaks and no one got new egg moves? I know we have tutors, but geeze.
GF: "BECAUSE WE DESIGNED THEM PERFECTLY AND THERE WAS NOTHING TO CHANGE."

To be fair, most of the Gen V pokemon are great as is. Beartic needed AJ like whoa.

Hopefully the tutors help the last few Gen V pokemon in need of better moves like Klingklang and Escavalier.

[diamondfan1910]

omg

[Missingno. Master]

So, anyone else have the pleasure of listening to Ghetsis's battle music? It's like Miror B. took Ghetsis's old theme and remixed it himself.

[Forsety]

So no new egg moves, all moveset changes and all move tutors accounted for and only the move tutor distribution left?

Am I the only one horribly disturbed by absolutely nothing getting Rapid Spin whilst Stealth Rock is back on everyone and their mother?

[BloodGod22]

Originally Posted by Fat Forsety

So no new egg moves, all moveset changes and all move tutors accounted for and only the move tutor distribution left?

Am I the only one horribly disturbed by absolutely nothing getting Rapid Spin whilst Stealth Rock is back on everyone and their mother?

Nope.

Its like Trollfreak is dead set on kicking SR weak pokes while the're down.

[Blazi]

Superpower Flygon sounds interesting, finally a way to distinguish himself from Garchomp & perhaps Hydreigon if they don't get the move.

Flygon @ Choice Band / Scarf
Outrage | Earthquake | Superpower | U-Turn / Fire Blast
Sounds nice.

[R_N]

So while people are digging around in the code: What about Glaciate
Does it still have that unique effect number?

[Purimpopoie]

Originally Posted by Fat R_N

So while people are digging around in the code: What about Glaciate
Does it still have that unique effect number?

My guess would be that the effect number is the flag that tells the game to erase it and replace it with the proper charge move when Kyurem omnomnoms his brothers. But I'm not a code monkey so it's just an idle guess.

[The Agonist]

Originally Posted by Fat Blazi

Superpower Flygon sounds interesting, finally a way to distinguish himself from Garchomp & perhaps Hydreigon if they don't get the move.

Flygon @ Choice Band / Scarf
Outrage | Earthquake | Superpower | U-Turn / Fire Blast
Sounds nice.

Or Fire Punch, since it's a tutor again.