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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:43:13 PM   #401
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Roost Hydreigon is great. Finally a reliable source of recovery. I'm a bit disappointed Haxorus didn't receive Fire Punch; however, Superpower is a great addition to its movepool. Boosted, Superpower will be able to annihilate Ferrothorn.
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Giga Drain Volcarona? I'm a teensy bit ecstatic right now. Suddenly its LO set, my favorite, got a whole lot more dangerous. Gastrodon is now free recovery, Terrakion gets OHKOed even outside of sun, Jellicent gets 2HKOed and gives recovery and is helpless if it opts to run Will-O-Wisp over Toxic.... Oh man I cannot wait to start abusing this. Roost is pretty cool too.

Dragon Pulse Serperior is huge and is obviously what everyone is focusing right now, which is completely understandable. However I think Restalk is being overlooked here; it fixes Serperior's PP issues to an extent. Synthesis is also pretty neat, but will have some competition from Leech Seed + Substitute, since that actually helps beat the blobs.

Superpower and Aqua Tail are pretty hefty upgrades for Haxorus, the former moreso than the latter. Swords Dance is now an extremely dangerous wallbreaker, since it can nail Ferrothorn effortlessly now. I'm thinking Outrage / Superpower / Earthquake will become the most prominent set.

Iron Head Excadrill? Unless Techniloom is released soon I don't think we have much chance of seeing Drill unbanned now.

Superpower and Aqua Tail Scolipede? Me gusta.

Disappointed by the lack of Dual Chop Scizor and Endeavor Alakazam.

Edit: Oh fuck Icy Wind Keldeo.

Specs 252 SpA Timid Keldeo Icy Wind vs 0/0 Latios: 55.1% - 65.1%. Guaranteed 2HKO and Latios will be slower due to the Speed drop.
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:47:20 PM   #403
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Giga Drain Volcarona? I'm a teensy bit ecstatic right now. Suddenly its LO set, my favorite, got a whole lot more dangerous. Gastrodon is now free recovery, Terrakion gets OHKOed even outside of sun, Jellicent gets 2HKOed and gives recovery and is helpless if it opts to run Will-O-Wisp over Toxic.... Oh man I cannot wait to start abusing this.

Dragon Pulse Serperior is huge and is obviously what everyone is focusing right now, which is completely understandable. However I think Restalk is being overlooked here; it fixes Serperior's PP issues to an extent. Synthesis is also pretty neat, but will have some competition from Leech Seed + Substitute, since that actually helps beat the blobs.

Superpower and Aqua Tail are pretty hefty upgrades for Haxorus, the former moreso than the latter. Swords Dance is now an extremely dangerous wallbreaker, since it can nail Ferrothorn effortlessly now. I'm thinking Outrage / Superpower / Earthquake will become the most prominent set.

Disappointed by the lack of Dual Chop Scizor and Endeavor Alakazam.
Yeah it is so funny... GF made a useless move a tutor move, and then removed the only user that could make some use of it (Scizor)... Great!
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:51:56 PM   #404
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Xatu gets heat wave for roasting steel type hazard setters. yay!

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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:52:52 PM   #405
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Zhorken of Veekun has ripped the tutors and included the special ones (Pledge starters and Draco Meteor) as well as Genesect which was missing from the JP one. This should be the definitive tutor list:
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:54:02 PM   #406
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Dual Chop Scizor would've been a HUGE addition to Scizors Technician boosted attacks.

EDIT: 0.0 I'll have to take a look at that tutor list :D
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:05:49 PM   #407
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Murkrow now gets priority Whirlwind through the Sleep Talk tutor, although this isn't exactly a perfect strategy.
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:09:44 PM   #408
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Maybe they thought people were really paranoid about Mold Breaker Earthquake.

Anyway, does anyone see any use to Block Terrakion? A lot of its checks depend on switching in with it locked into one of its two moves and Block eases prediction without draining a quarter of your health. Probably not that useful, but it looks potentially interesting.

Also, I think I mentioned it earlier but Shadow Tag Recycle Starf Berry Gothitelle has the potential to be one of the most annoying gimmicks ever.

Edit: How the hell do persian, primeape, snorlax, ambipom, ursaring, delibird, mantine, donphan, linoone, pelipper, slaking, infernape, pachirisu, watchog, liepard, the simis, cinccino, and druddigon use Gunk Shot?
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:18:38 PM   #409
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In other news Superpower Stoutland..... I'll just let that sink in with everyone :D
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:22:02 PM   #410
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Edit: How the hell do persian, primeape, snorlax, ambipom, ursaring, delibird, mantine, donphan, linoone, pelipper, slaking, infernape, pachirisu, watchog, liepard, the simis, cinccino, and druddigon use Gunk Shot?
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:43:49 PM   #411
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some that really intrigued me, even if it turns out not to be very good it is interesting nonetheless.

Hitmonlee gets Bounce. I don't know why I think this is so awesome, but I do.

Gallade gets Dual Chop, Drain Punch, and Ice Punch and is legal with Justified... I am VERY intrigued by my favourite Pokemon now.

Throh gets the elemental punches and PAIN SPLIT. Why do I feel like Throh is going to be a beastly tank now?

Jellicent gets Giga Drain. One of the best walls in the game just got better.

Braviary gets Roost. This will help it out so much with it's Brave Birds.

Charizard gets Roost with Solar Power. It is going to be one beastly sweeper in the sun.

and Beedrill got Drill Run just for the lulz.

But seriously Game Freak, Y U NO GIVE ESCAVALIER DRILL RUN?

EDIT: Also, Feraligatr is going to be BEASTLY once Sheer Force is released. Which is awesome because I love Feraligatr.
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:47:33 PM   #412
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Mantine gets Air Slash now, while Durant gets Superpower and Druddigon gets Stealth Rock! This should be pretty great for the lower tiers.

Ooh ooh and Cofagrigus not only gets Restalk, but Pain Split as well :o
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:52:04 PM   #413
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Pirouette Meloetta will appreciate the elemental punches when she gets here - Relic Song/CC/Icepunch/Thunderpunch with her base 128 Attack/Speed and Life Orb seems like the obvious choice now, with Shadow Claw and Stone Edge being secondary choices.

Volcarona is just spectacular now. I'm really excited. I might need to build a team around it.
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:53:17 PM   #414
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In other news Superpower Stoutland..... I'll just let that sink in with everyone :D
*Cries tears of joy*
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:55:52 PM   #415
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Murkrow now gets priority Whirlwind through the Sleep Talk tutor, although this isn't exactly a perfect strategy.
No it doesn't. Not one of Murkrow's tutor moves.Though it doesn't even matter because it would still be -5 priority. Prankster/Copycat/Phaze is the way to achieve that, which Rilou does get.
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:58:58 PM   #416
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No it doesn't. Not one of Murkrow's tutor moves.Though it doesn't even matter because it would still be -5 priority. Prankster/Copycat/Phaze is the way to achieve that, which Rilou does get.
Sleep Talk is indeed one of Murkrow's tutor moves, and since that gets +1 priority, you get a 33% chance or so of calling up Whirlwind with +1 priority.
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:59:27 PM   #417
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Guys remember synthesis sucks, it fails hard in sand or rain and it has low PP.
I think Virizion is one of the most viable users of synthesis (in sun) mainly due to its ability to KO the opposing weather inducers. If Virizion is out while it's sunny, the pressure is placed on the opponent to change the weather so unless they're willing to take the risk and switch their opposing weather inducer in on a non offensive move, the weather will remain at Virizion's advantage. If they do happen to switch in their weather summoner reducing synthesis' recovery to 25% then they'll most likely have to switch out again, giving a free turn in the process.

Due to this, perhaps a special defensive set would benefit from synthesis and sunny day to change the weather back when the opposing summoner is switching out.

something like
Virizion @ leftovers
Nature: Calm/Careful
Ev's: 252hp 4 def 252Speed
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giga drain/ Leaf blade
Focus Blast/ Close combat
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This set would act as a supporter to sun teams to help keep the weather favourable and to ease the stress on ninetales
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:09:18 PM   #418
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TROLLLLLOOLOLO FREAK ****

No New Egg Moves

Escavalier- No Superpower, No Drill Run
Klinklang- No Superpower
Darmanitan- No Thunderpunch
Throh- No DRAIN PUNCH.....but it gets elemental punches... thanks trollolol freak
Mienshao- No Elemental Punches but it gets drain punch

Dragonite- No Heal Bell
TORNADUS (both formes)- NO ROOST...WTF
BLACK KYUREM- NO ICE SHARD, NO ICICLE CRASH

Vanilluxe- Nothing
Unfeasant- Nothing
Dodrio- No Drill Run
Zebstrika- Nothing
Emboar- NO DRAIN PUNCH.....but yes Thunderpunch.....trololol
Flareon- No Flare Blitz
Snorlax- No Slack Off
Weezing- No Gunk Shot

Thanks Trolololol Freak
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:10:43 PM   #419
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I have to agree with Unlucky. I've used Morning Sun on Rapidash in sun (NU) to great success in NU, and Virision just looks like a bulkier user of it.
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:11:46 PM   #420
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Alright so I tried out it on aesoft and here what the game is now: rain offense.

CM Keldeo, CB Haxorus with Aqua Tail/Superpower, Therian Thunderus, and Starmie. Amoongus puts one of your guys to Sleep. Do you know how you wall this? You don't...
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TORNADUS (both formes)- NO ROOST...WTF


[/B]Thanks Trolololol Freak
I said this before but roost on tornadus would completely erase tornadus' type(rather it completely changes it's type to normal). So giving it roost would just add an issue gamefreak probably doesn't want to bother dealing with.
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Old Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:26:01 PM   #422
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Alright so I tried out it on aesoft and here what the game is now: rain offense.

CM Keldeo, CB Haxorus with Aqua Tail/Superpower, Therian Thunderus, and Starmie. Amoongus puts one of your guys to Sleep. Do you know how you wall this? You don't...
you can't do that, you need a steel badly or dragons will eat you

besides, thundy will be uber.

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you can't do that, you need a steel badly or dragons will eat you
Starmie outspeeds the Dragons and they won't even have enough space to breathe let alone set up apart from Dragonite.
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I said this before but roost on tornadus would completely erase tornadus' type(rather it completely changes it's type to normal). So giving it roost would just add an issue gamefreak probably doesn't want to bother dealing with.
What issue, it simply becomes a Normal type for one turn. How is that a huge issue considering a Normal/flying using Roost becomes a Normal type as well. It's "OMFG Broken as hell" game changing at most it just got to watch out for stray Close Combats while roosting.
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