Trick Room OU RMT

Xand3r · Jul 16th, 2012, 10:46:37 PM

Hi smogon! This is my first post/rmt. I have seen quite a few, but I've decided it's time to start posting. This is my first real competitive team (I've also made a mono ghost, but that was just for fun). Please give me your feedback on how to make this team better. I have been winning about 60% of the time.

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Trait: Trace
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Trick Room
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

I have had a lot of success with porygon2 as my lead. He sets up trick room and hits politoad well. I don't really want to change him.

Reuniclus (M) @ Sitrus Berry
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 192 HP / 64 Def / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Trick Room
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Recover

On the other hand, reuniclus hasn't been preforming as well as I would like him to. I'm thinking about changing recover to calm mind, but I'm not sure.

Marowak (M) @ Thick Club
Trait: Rock Head
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Double-Edge
- Stone Edge
- Substitute

I love this guy. There is nothing he can't hit hard. If he gets his sub up, he can survive for a while. If I'm not sure who he/she will switch to, sub really helps.

Slowking (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Trick Room
- Nasty Plot
- Surf
- Focus Blast

Slow king is also pretty good. I'm not sure about his two attacks though. I'm also wondering whether or not I should use nasty plot. It works really well sometimes, but other times I wish I had another attack there for coverage.

Dragonite (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 196 HP / 172 Atk / 140 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Draco Meteor
- Outrage
- ExtremeSpeed
- Flamethrower

I think dragonite could use a makeover. He works well sometimes, but other times I want him to be only special so his flamethrower could hit scizor/ferrothorn harder.

Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Superpower
- Bug Bite

Scizor seems to do Ok. I know this is a pretty standard set, and there isn't much to change.

I feel like some things that might help would be another priority move and some more/stronger fire moves. I'm open to any suggestion you guys could give me. I just want to get my winning percentage up.

superpokefan · Jul 16th, 2012, 11:04:39 PM

u could forgo slowbro 4 politoad w/ drizzle and give dragonite hurricane, thunder, roost, & draco meteor, and u could use a bulkytoad set if u want it 2 survive and cooperate w/ trick room.

Dr Ciel · Jul 16th, 2012, 11:15:15 PM

Hey there. This is a pretty good Trick Room team you got going on! I would like to make some suggestions to help make this team better. On Reuniclus, you should run a Life Orb set. This set can make Reuniclius a great and excellent Trick Room sweeper. On Marowak, you should run a Swords Dance set, as it helps Marowak become an amazing Physical Sweeper in Trick Room. I hope these suggestion helped a whole lot. Have fun and good luck with your team!

Reuniclus

Marowak

~Dr Ciel

Xand3r · Jul 17th, 2012, 12:19:36 AM

Dr, I like your thinking. I will definitely try both of those. To the other poster, it's an interesting idea, so I will try it, but I don't really want a rain team, so I don't think I will keep it.

Thanks for posting guys.

Sixalix · Jul 17th, 2012, 3:46:47 AM

One minor nitpick is to change Scizor's EV spread to 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Sp.D

This gives you one extra switch into Stealth Rock, while maximizing your bulk.

For Dragonite, I think that since it's Attack is superior to it's Special Attack, you should make him purely physical. One underrated set is Choice Band Dragonite. He can hit things hard while retaining bulk with multiscale and still providing priority in the form of Extremespeed.

Novaray · Jul 17th, 2012, 8:26:58 AM

Hi Xand3r

Solid Trick Room team you have here but I have some suggestions for you. First, a Life Orb Reuniclus with a moveset of Trick Room / Psyshock / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball over your current Reuniclus set would benefit your team by giving you a solid shot at sweeping under Trick Room. This guy has great coverage and can easily sweep offensive teams that rely on speed. I suggest maintaining Psyshock over Psychic to work around Calm Minders and nail Chansey/Blissey.

If you want Dragonite to hit harder you can try changing his EV spread to 252 Atk / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef with a Quiet nature. This sacrifices some bulk to increase damage output from both sides of the spectrum. If Trick Room is up, then Dragonite will generally "outspeed" its foe so you can take them out without worrying about being hit so the loss in bulk is not as significant.

Now for some smaller changes. First, I recommend replacing Stone Edge on Marowak with ThunderPunch. Thunderpunch has benefits over Stone Edge in that it hits Skarmory for Super Effective damage and Gyarados for 4x. It is also 100% accurate rather than Stone Edge's 80% accuracy which is critical as you do not want to be missing attacks and wasting turns of Trick Room. On Slowking, Ice Beam can replace Nasty Plot. Often it is difficult to set up both a Trick Room and a NP boost so you can go with an extra coverage move instead that lets you hit Dragon-types. Finally, I agree with the above poster in changing Scizor's EV spread to 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDefwhich gives you maximum switch-ins into Stealth Rock and also is slower than the common CB Scizor that invests 8 Spd EVs so you "outspeed" in Trick Room and can hit it with a Superpower.

Hope I helped and good luck with your team!

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Z-rex · Jul 17th, 2012, 8:52:24 AM

if you run full spAtk porygn2 you should probably play download , you can sweep teams if you get a download boost + trick room , another thing , try running HP fire instead of recover , that would make you less scizor weak and would prevent ferrothorn and forretress from putting hazards all over your face , which is crucial since you have no rapid spinners and you auto lose against any stall btw .

thunder punch isn't that bad of a suggestion since you can 2hko skarm IF there's rocks on the field , but wait , you don't have rocks on your team :/ , maybe a bronzong over slowking should fix this but then you become rain weak .

anyway good luck with the team .

RitikGupta · Jul 17th, 2012, 11:52:57 AM

wow i remember i got owned by this team on po its a amazing team! only suggestion is put 252 evs in speed if you are using offensive sword dance scizor let it outspeed heatran and magnezone sometimes

Xand3r · Jul 19th, 2012, 8:31:20 PM

Thanks to everyone who has replied. It's great to know that there are people who want to help me.

To Sixalix: I will defiantly try the EV spread on my scizor. I like the idea of a pure physical dragonite, but I want to also try the new EV spread from Nova.

To Novaray: I think it's great that you would give such a detailed response. I will surely change my reuniclus to a more attack focused set. The dragonite set looks good too because he was never meant to be bulky. I think the other two moves will also help give better coverage to my pokemon.

To Z-Rex: I agree with you. My team seems to be weak to stall teams. My thoughts were to put someone with heal bell or a rapid spinner who has steal rocks. I will try the download, but trace is a really good ability.

To RitikGupta: I think I'm going to keep his speed stat lower so he can "outspeed" fast pokemon under trick room.

Jul 16th, 2012, 10:46:37 PM	#1
Xand3r Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 9	Trick Room OU RMT Hi smogon! This is my first post/rmt. I have seen quite a few, but I've decided it's time to start posting. This is my first real competitive team (I've also made a mono ghost, but that was just for fun). Please give me your feedback on how to make this team better. I have been winning about 60% of the time. Porygon2 @ Eviolite Trait: Trace EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Trick Room - Ice Beam - Thunderbolt - Recover I have had a lot of success with porygon2 as my lead. He sets up trick room and hits politoad well. I don't really want to change him. Reuniclus (M) @ Sitrus Berry Trait: Magic Guard EVs: 192 HP / 64 Def / 252 SAtk Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Trick Room - Psyshock - Shadow Ball - Recover On the other hand, reuniclus hasn't been preforming as well as I would like him to. I'm thinking about changing recover to calm mind, but I'm not sure. Marowak (M) @ Thick Club Trait: Rock Head EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd) - Earthquake - Double-Edge - Stone Edge - Substitute I love this guy. There is nothing he can't hit hard. If he gets his sub up, he can survive for a while. If I'm not sure who he/she will switch to, sub really helps. Slowking (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Trick Room - Nasty Plot - Surf - Focus Blast Slow king is also pretty good. I'm not sure about his two attacks though. I'm also wondering whether or not I should use nasty plot. It works really well sometimes, but other times I wish I had another attack there for coverage. Dragonite (M) @ Lum Berry Trait: Multiscale EVs: 196 HP / 172 Atk / 140 SAtk Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Draco Meteor - Outrage - ExtremeSpeed - Flamethrower I think dragonite could use a makeover. He works well sometimes, but other times I want him to be only special so his flamethrower could hit scizor/ferrothorn harder. Scizor (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd) - Bullet Punch - Swords Dance - Superpower - Bug Bite Scizor seems to do Ok. I know this is a pretty standard set, and there isn't much to change. I feel like some things that might help would be another priority move and some more/stronger fire moves. I'm open to any suggestion you guys could give me. I just want to get my winning percentage up.

Jul 16th, 2012, 11:15:15 PM	#3
Dr Ciel When I walk these streets, A loaded six string on my back, I play for keeps, 'Cause I might not make it back Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 648 Brooklyn, New York	Hey there. This is a pretty good Trick Room team you got going on! I would like to make some suggestions to help make this team better. On Reuniclus, you should run a Life Orb set. This set can make Reuniclius a great and excellent Trick Room sweeper. On Marowak, you should run a Swords Dance set, as it helps Marowak become an amazing Physical Sweeper in Trick Room. I hope these suggestion helped a whole lot. Have fun and good luck with your team! Reuniclus Reuniclus @ Life Orb Lv. 100 -- Magic Guard Nature: Quiet - EVs: 192 HP / 64 Def / 252 SAtk -Psychic -Shadow Ball -Focus Blast -Trick Room Marowak Marowak @ Thick Club Lv. 100 -- Rock Head Nature: Brave - EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def -Fire Punch -Swords Dance -Double-Edge -Earthquake ~Dr Ciel

Jul 17th, 2012, 12:19:36 AM	#4
Xand3r Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 9	OP Dr, I like your thinking. I will definitely try both of those. To the other poster, it's an interesting idea, so I will try it, but I don't really want a rain team, so I don't think I will keep it. Thanks for posting guys.

Jul 17th, 2012, 3:46:47 AM	#5
Sixalix Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 12 Pie tastes good.	One minor nitpick is to change Scizor's EV spread to 248 HP/252 Atk/8 Sp.D This gives you one extra switch into Stealth Rock, while maximizing your bulk. For Dragonite, I think that since it's Attack is superior to it's Special Attack, you should make him purely physical. One underrated set is Choice Band Dragonite. He can hit things hard while retaining bulk with multiscale and still providing priority in the form of Extremespeed. __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today. ~James Dean In the end, it's not the years in your life that count, it's the life in those years.~Abraham Lincoln Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. ~Oscar Wilde

Jul 17th, 2012, 8:26:58 AM	#6
Novaray i am happy Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,141 that's just the saddest lie Mentor	Hi Xand3r Solid Trick Room team you have here but I have some suggestions for you. First, a Life Orb Reuniclus with a moveset of Trick Room / Psyshock / Focus Blast / Shadow Ball over your current Reuniclus set would benefit your team by giving you a solid shot at sweeping under Trick Room. This guy has great coverage and can easily sweep offensive teams that rely on speed. I suggest maintaining Psyshock over Psychic to work around Calm Minders and nail Chansey/Blissey. If you want Dragonite to hit harder you can try changing his EV spread to 252 Atk / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef with a Quiet nature. This sacrifices some bulk to increase damage output from both sides of the spectrum. If Trick Room is up, then Dragonite will generally "outspeed" its foe so you can take them out without worrying about being hit so the loss in bulk is not as significant. Now for some smaller changes. First, I recommend replacing Stone Edge on Marowak with ThunderPunch. Thunderpunch has benefits over Stone Edge in that it hits Skarmory for Super Effective damage and Gyarados for 4x. It is also 100% accurate rather than Stone Edge's 80% accuracy which is critical as you do not want to be missing attacks and wasting turns of Trick Room. On Slowking, Ice Beam can replace Nasty Plot. Often it is difficult to set up both a Trick Room and a NP boost so you can go with an extra coverage move instead that lets you hit Dragon-types. Finally, I agree with the above poster in changing Scizor's EV spread to 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDefwhich gives you maximum switch-ins into Stealth Rock and also is slower than the common CB Scizor that invests 8 Spd EVs so you "outspeed" in Trick Room and can hit it with a Superpower. Hope I helped and good luck with your team! Set: ... Reuniclus (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Magic Guard EVs: 192 HP / 64 Def / 252 SAtk Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Trick Room - Psyshock - Shadow Ball - Focus Blast tl;dr ... Reuniclus ----> Life Orb Reuniclus Dragonite'a EV spread ----> 252 Atk / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef Stone Edge on Marowok ----> ThunderPunch Nasty Plot on Slowking ----> Ice Beam Scizor's EV spread ----> 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SDef __________________ island in the sun

Jul 16th, 2012, 11:04:39 PM	#2
superpokefan Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16	u could forgo slowbro 4 politoad w/ drizzle and give dragonite hurricane, thunder, roost, & draco meteor, and u could use a bulkytoad set if u want it 2 survive and cooperate w/ trick room.

Jul 17th, 2012, 8:52:24 AM	#7
Z-rex Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 351	if you run full spAtk porygn2 you should probably play download , you can sweep teams if you get a download boost + trick room , another thing , try running HP fire instead of recover , that would make you less scizor weak and would prevent ferrothorn and forretress from putting hazards all over your face , which is crucial since you have no rapid spinners and you auto lose against any stall btw . thunder punch isn't that bad of a suggestion since you can 2hko skarm IF there's rocks on the field , but wait , you don't have rocks on your team :/ , maybe a bronzong over slowking should fix this but then you become rain weak . anyway good luck with the team . __________________ OU trick room team

Jul 17th, 2012, 11:52:57 AM	#8
RitikGupta Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 15 India	wow i remember i got owned by this team on po its a amazing team! only suggestion is put 252 evs in speed if you are using offensive sword dance scizor let it outspeed heatran and magnezone sometimes

Jul 19th, 2012, 8:31:20 PM	#9
Xand3r Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 9	Thanks to everyone who has replied. It's great to know that there are people who want to help me. To Sixalix: I will defiantly try the EV spread on my scizor. I like the idea of a pure physical dragonite, but I want to also try the new EV spread from Nova. To Novaray: I think it's great that you would give such a detailed response. I will surely change my reuniclus to a more attack focused set. The dragonite set looks good too because he was never meant to be bulky. I think the other two moves will also help give better coverage to my pokemon. To Z-Rex: I agree with you. My team seems to be weak to stall teams. My thoughts were to put someone with heal bell or a rapid spinner who has steal rocks. I will try the download, but trace is a really good ability. To RitikGupta: I think I'm going to keep his speed stat lower so he can "outspeed" fast pokemon under trick room.