Pokemon Unfit for UU Analyses

***Oglemi**** · Jun 6th, 2011, 12:22:07 AM

Pokemon that would be viable with their DW abilities, but whose DW abilities are not released, will not get analyses until their DW abilities are released.

Introduction:

Below is a list of Pokemon that Will Not get an UU analysis. You may argue for a Pokemon on the list to get an analysis, but your argument must be very comprehensive. I haven't listed NFEs yet, but I might add one later so that I don't get hammered with constant arguments concerning them.

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This is NOT the Reservations thread. That one is located here.

Chou Toshio · Jun 6th, 2011, 2:50:04 AM

I'd like to nominate Venomoth to be added to the list. There was a saying in UU that "Venomoth trolls the ladder," and I think this is certainly true. Whever I used Venomoth, it was always a key threat of every game, and it was rare that the opponent had any real answers to it.

Sleep Powder + Quiver Dance + Baton Pass is a lethal combination, and would be on pretty much any Pokemon. Whenever you see a Venomoth, you pretty much know exactly what's coming-- but there's not a whole lot you can do about it!

Tinted Lens and workable special sweeping stats make Venomoth even more lethal-- it doesn't need to pass, and has awesome coverage and power in just 1 move, which makes it threatening even when all its other moves are non-offensive. Much like Breloom in OU, all Venomoth needs is that there be a reasonable population of Slower Pokemon present for it to set up on, and then it goes to work.

Even from a typing aspect, Venomoth is good-- despite its lackluster defenses, it can switch into all the common grass, bug and fighting attacks of UU. Also, UU's high frequency of Psychic Pokemon makes Venomoth's STAB more lethal.

What makes Venomoth truly terrifying is the very presence of Nidoking, which is essentially a perfect passing partner, with awesome coverage, power, reasonable bulk and speed and an immunity to Thunderwave. Nidoking would be nowhere near as scary in the meta if it weren't for Venomoth.

With all the above factors in mind, I'd like to suggest Venomoth be added to the list (and I've already posted saying I want to write it in the reserve thread :P).

prem · Jun 6th, 2011, 3:18:47 AM

I would like nominate Galvantula on the list. with sun banned, he can spam 91% accuracte thunders, that with a life orb do more than specs jolteon tbolt. he is also white fast and hits the many bulky waters, as well as the ever so gay, suicune

his offensive stab combo is extremely high with the only a small amount of uu threats walling this stab combo

if this is accepted, i would accept giving up my Deoxys defense analysis for galvantula

Mind Controller · Jun 6th, 2011, 3:57:23 AM

first controversial post ever

EDIT: Never mind about Tornadus it hasn't officially been confirmed UU yet.

Rotom-F has BoltBlizzard and is powerful in Hail. It's also bulky, and can spread burn alongside Pain Split.

Since Drought has been banned, I'm wondering if Tangrowth and other Chlorophyll sweepers should be on the list.

Hippopotas summons Sandstorm, and is actually quite bulky with Evolite. Roar and Slack Off help too.

Erebyssial · Jun 6th, 2011, 4:31:48 AM

Shouldn't the UU tiered Pokemon automatically be top priority? Hippopotas and Ambipom are the only ones missing, I think. As for others, I'm surprised Cresselia, Gallade, PorygonZ and especially Rhyperior aren't on the list, and I agree with Venomoth. Also I'll question the importance of Sawsbuck and Charizard now that Drought is banned, but if Charizard stays, Moltres should probably be there too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Mind Controller

Tornadus isn't on the list somehow. It was dropped down to UU as of the May statistics. I think it's usage in OU speaks for itself (i.e. Prankster Taunt and powerful Hurricane)

It's still OU, tiers are only updated every 3 months and the cutoff isn't the same number every time

Moo · Jun 6th, 2011, 7:01:33 AM

Miltank should be on the list. It has great stats and a wide movepool. Miltank can provide support with Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave and Heal Bell, or be offensive with Curse. (Which only needs one attack thanks to Scrappy) Sap Sipper is pretty cool, and makes it immune to Sleep Powder as well as raising its attack. It's also the fastest cow I've ever seen with a massive Base 100 speed (msasive for a cow, lol).

Please Free Miltank!!!

shrang · Jun 6th, 2011, 7:42:50 AM

All the Rotom forms should get an analysis in my opinion. They all have the same stats and almost identical movepool. Even normal Rotom should get an analysis, it is actually quite a decent Pokemon.

Venser · Jun 6th, 2011, 8:03:58 AM

Seconding Hippopotas, it's surprisingly bulky and has decent support moves to boot.

prem · Jun 6th, 2011, 9:57:31 AM

i would also like to recommend gligar. with the evolite, he is an amazing physical wall, being statistically higher tan gliscor. he takes a mere 7% from adamant max attack heracross close combat. also in sand with hippotas, he has sand viel which we all know and love

***Oglemi**** · Jun 6th, 2011, 10:47:41 AM

Tbh I mostly just c/p'd this list from the threat list that Dracoyoshi started. I knew that some important ones were going to be missing, so that was to be expected. OK here are the ones added to the list:

Gligar
Rotom Formes
Hippopotas
Ambipom
Gallade
Cresselia
Rhyperior
Porygon-Z
Venomoth
Moltres
Stoutland
Alakazam

Tangrowth, Sawsbuck, Charizard, and Lilligant will remain on the list for now and will get an analysis. Tangrowth because he is still a bulky mofo, and the latter three because Sunny Day still exists, and the three are still pretty damn threatening with the proper support. Also, Lilligant still has Quiver Dance, which in and of itself deserves an analysis imo.

EDIT: I didn't add Miltank because Chansey > Miltank. And I didn't add Galvantula because I tried it myself and it's pretty underwhelming tbh.

Moo · Jun 6th, 2011, 11:03:02 AM

Chansey cant run Curse or Choice Band sets, its much more one dimensional. And slow. :(

***Oglemi**** · Jun 6th, 2011, 11:09:37 AM

I realize that Miltank can run more interesting sets, but there are so many better Pokemon atm, that there really isn't any reason to use Miltank (especially now that needing to tank a Sunny Day-boosted V-Create is less needed).

If you can provide some logs of Miltank in action, then maybe I'd reconsider. But, honestly, the time worth doing so would be better spent working on an analysis of one of the Pokemon on the priority list.

Moo · Jun 6th, 2011, 11:22:29 AM

Ok, I'll get logs. It may seem wierd, but I really love miltank

Edit: Fuck it, I'll do something else. Miltank can wait.

Snunch · Jun 6th, 2011, 11:29:56 AM

Scyther should be added. It has enough attack and bulk to run either a choice band set or a bulky SD set, and good resistances to fighting and bug, as well as its odd base speed lets it check a significant portion of the most used UU pokemon.

Golurk also needs to be up there. The subpunch set is extremely effective, and free subs against pokemon like Chansey, Hitmontop, and Heracross makes Golurk a good stallbreaker. Blocking rapid spin is just icing.

elDino · Jun 6th, 2011, 11:30:03 AM

You are named after a cow Mooo...
I wonder why?

On a more serious note, Scyther may be worthy of an analysis, due to its great speed and attack etc.

Edit: ninja'd

Moo · Jun 6th, 2011, 11:36:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat elDino

You are named after a cow Mooo...

durrrr

Um, Suicune should be on the list because it's Suicune and it's like no 18 in usage.

(mine if it goes well)

***Oglemi**** · Jun 6th, 2011, 11:38:09 AM

K Snunch added those.

Also mooo Suicune is already there.

Moo · Jun 6th, 2011, 12:04:17 PM

lol my bad

ParaChomp · Jun 6th, 2011, 12:19:20 PM

Druddigon, it has a powerful 120 attack, defences of 77/90/90, an interesting an wide movepool. It can't set up Trick Room but it works well in it and with all of the Trick Room users in UU, I can see it abusing it with its base 48 speed.

No Regirock? With Hippopotas, it can be a devastating tank on both sides which Hippopotas can do...it's still a great Curse user in Sandstorm.

Omicron · Jun 6th, 2011, 12:46:20 PM

Regirock is somewhat outclassed by Registeel and it has 5 weaknesses...

oizo 06 · Jun 6th, 2011, 12:54:00 PM

As Eelektross is already on this list, I'd like to suggest Electivire. Electivire has higher attack and speed, a better physical movepool, and Motor Drive can be really useful. I'm not saying that Eelektross is outclassed, as it has higher special attack, Coil and Levitate, but Electivire should be on this list as well.

**AccidentalGreed** · Jun 6th, 2011, 1:22:04 PM

Simipour is notable for it's Nasty Plot set, which can be a deceptively dangerous threat to go against one it does get the boost. It has access to three good coverage moves, and being placed in an odd Speed tier gives it an advantage over base 100's such as Staraptor and Celebi. It was QC rejected for an OU analysis, so I'm pretty sure if it was approved once in the "Unfit for OU" thread, it can be threatening in UU, and thus deserves priority. 3DOstrich is currently in charge of the now-locked Simipour analysis.

ParaChomp · Jun 6th, 2011, 1:54:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat chanazn

Regirock is somewhat outclassed by Registeel and it has 5 weaknesses...

Thought so. Combusken (I don't need to explain myself)?

***Oglemi**** · Jun 6th, 2011, 2:15:35 PM

Simipour - While I don't doubt this can be dangerous, I question if it's any more dangerous than the other Nasty Plotters in the priority list right now (which it probably isn't). I can't stress enough that this is just a priority list. This list doesn't mean that Simipour will never get an analysis, I can tell you now it will. Just not right now.

Combusken - lol no. Too fragile even with Eviolite, and its offenses are hilariously weak.

**AccidentalGreed** · Jun 6th, 2011, 2:23:47 PM

Well, okay. If it's a priority for other competitors, I already understand perfectly.

On the other hand, what about Arcanine? It was a popular offensive threat in last generation's UU, and it helps that sunlight still exists despite the Drought ban in V.

Jun 6th, 2011, 12:22:07 AM	#1
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,528 ~(^.^)~	Pokemon Unfit for UU Analyses Pokemon that would be viable with their DW abilities, but whose DW abilities are not released, will not get analyses until their DW abilities are released. Introduction: Below is a list of Pokemon that Will Not get an UU analysis. You may argue for a Pokemon on the list to get an analysis, but your argument must be very comprehensive. I haven't listed NFEs yet, but I might add one later so that I don't get hammered with constant arguments concerning them. ... Absol Ampharos Arbok Ariados Armaldo Articuno Audino Banette Basculin Bastiodon Beartic Beautifly Beedrill Beheeyem Bellossom Bibarel Butterfree Camerupt Carnivine Castform Chatot Cherrim Chimecho Cinccino Clamperl Cottonee Corsola Delcatty Delibird Dewgong Ditto Dodrio Dunsparce Dustox Electrode Emolga Exploud Farfetch'd Fearow Flareon Furret Garbodor Gardevoir Gigalith Girafarig Glaceon Glalie Golduck Golem Gothitelle Granbull Grumpig Heatmor Hitmonchan Hypno Illumise Kecleon Kingler Klingklang Kricketune Lapras Leafeon Leavanny Ledian Liepard Linoone Lopbunny Lumineon Lunatone Luvdisc Luxray Magcargo Mantine Maractus Marowak Masquerain Mawile Meganium Mightyena Minun Mothim Mr. Mime Muk Musharna Noctowl Octillery Pachirisu Parasect Pelipper Persian Phione Pidgeot Pikachu Plusle Primeape Probopass Purugly Rampardos Rapidash Raticate Regice Regigigas Relicanth Rhydon Sandslash Seaking Seismitoad Serperior Seviper Shedinja Shuckle Simisage Simisear Skuntank Slaking Solrock Spinda Stantler Stunfisk Sudowoodo Sunflora Swalot Swanna Swoobat Torkoal Torterra Trapinch Tropius Typhlosion Unfezant Unown Vanilluxe Vespiquen Vileplume Wailord Watchog Whiscash Wigglytuff Wormadam all formes Zangoose Zebstrika This is NOT the Reservations thread. That one is located here. Last edited by Oglemi; Oct 4th, 2011 at 12:10:25 PM. Reason: crustle and carracosta have the go ahead

Jun 6th, 2011, 2:50:04 AM	#2
Chou Toshio Hmmm... A name for the plan... Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,946 Sea Forest	I'd like to nominate Venomoth to be added to the list. There was a saying in UU that "Venomoth trolls the ladder," and I think this is certainly true. Whever I used Venomoth, it was always a key threat of every game, and it was rare that the opponent had any real answers to it. Sleep Powder + Quiver Dance + Baton Pass is a lethal combination, and would be on pretty much any Pokemon. Whenever you see a Venomoth, you pretty much know exactly what's coming-- but there's not a whole lot you can do about it! Tinted Lens and workable special sweeping stats make Venomoth even more lethal-- it doesn't need to pass, and has awesome coverage and power in just 1 move, which makes it threatening even when all its other moves are non-offensive. Much like Breloom in OU, all Venomoth needs is that there be a reasonable population of Slower Pokemon present for it to set up on, and then it goes to work. Even from a typing aspect, Venomoth is good-- despite its lackluster defenses, it can switch into all the common grass, bug and fighting attacks of UU. Also, UU's high frequency of Psychic Pokemon makes Venomoth's STAB more lethal. What makes Venomoth truly terrifying is the very presence of Nidoking, which is essentially a perfect passing partner, with awesome coverage, power, reasonable bulk and speed and an immunity to Thunderwave. Nidoking would be nowhere near as scary in the meta if it weren't for Venomoth. With all the above factors in mind, I'd like to suggest Venomoth be added to the list (and I've already posted saying I want to write it in the reserve thread :P). __________________ "Hmmm... a name for this plan..."

Jun 6th, 2011, 3:18:47 AM	#3
prem failed abortion Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,214 <@Sarenji> anyway i learned knitting pretty fast <@Sarenji> because im a woman Mentor	I would like nominate Galvantula on the list. with sun banned, he can spam 91% accuracte thunders, that with a life orb do more than specs jolteon tbolt. he is also white fast and hits the many bulky waters, as well as the ever so gay, suicune his offensive stab combo is extremely high with the only a small amount of uu threats walling this stab combo if this is accepted, i would accept giving up my Deoxys defense analysis for galvantula __________________ +Yamata no Orochi: I don't get pussy

Jun 6th, 2011, 3:57:23 AM	#4
Mind Controller Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 71 Welcome to the world of :\|	first controversial post ever EDIT: Never mind about Tornadus it hasn't officially been confirmed UU yet. Rotom-F has BoltBlizzard and is powerful in Hail. It's also bulky, and can spread burn alongside Pain Split. Since Drought has been banned, I'm wondering if Tangrowth and other Chlorophyll sweepers should be on the list. Hippopotas summons Sandstorm, and is actually quite bulky with Evolite. Roar and Slack Off help too. __________________ When life gives you lemons, throw them in the bin because they taste horrible. Last edited by Mind Controller; Jun 6th, 2011 at 5:36:56 AM.

Jun 6th, 2011, 7:01:33 AM	#6
Moo Professor Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,447	Miltank should be on the list. It has great stats and a wide movepool. Miltank can provide support with Stealth Rock, Thunder Wave and Heal Bell, or be offensive with Curse. (Which only needs one attack thanks to Scrappy) Sap Sipper is pretty cool, and makes it immune to Sleep Powder as well as raising its attack. It's also the fastest cow I've ever seen with a massive Base 100 speed (msasive for a cow, lol). Please Free Miltank!!! __________________ GP / UU QC, VM for check VM for a UU rate

Jun 6th, 2011, 8:03:58 AM	#8
Venser Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,592 #capasb	Seconding Hippopotas, it's surprisingly bulky and has decent support moves to boot. __________________ last.fm

Jun 6th, 2011, 9:57:31 AM	#9
prem failed abortion Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,214 <@Sarenji> anyway i learned knitting pretty fast <@Sarenji> because im a woman Mentor	i would also like to recommend gligar. with the evolite, he is an amazing physical wall, being statistically higher tan gliscor. he takes a mere 7% from adamant max attack heracross close combat. also in sand with hippotas, he has sand viel which we all know and love __________________ +Yamata no Orochi: I don't get pussy

Jun 6th, 2011, 10:47:41 AM	#10
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,528 ~(^.^)~	Tbh I mostly just c/p'd this list from the threat list that Dracoyoshi started. I knew that some important ones were going to be missing, so that was to be expected. OK here are the ones added to the list: Gligar Rotom Formes Hippopotas Ambipom Gallade Cresselia Rhyperior Porygon-Z Venomoth Moltres Stoutland Alakazam Tangrowth, Sawsbuck, Charizard, and Lilligant will remain on the list for now and will get an analysis. Tangrowth because he is still a bulky mofo, and the latter three because Sunny Day still exists, and the three are still pretty damn threatening with the proper support. Also, Lilligant still has Quiver Dance, which in and of itself deserves an analysis imo. EDIT: I didn't add Miltank because Chansey > Miltank. And I didn't add Galvantula because I tried it myself and it's pretty underwhelming tbh. Last edited by Oglemi; Jun 6th, 2011 at 10:57:49 AM.

Jun 6th, 2011, 11:03:02 AM	#11
Moo Professor Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,447	Chansey cant run Curse or Choice Band sets, its much more one dimensional. And slow. :( __________________ GP / UU QC, VM for check VM for a UU rate

Jun 6th, 2011, 11:09:37 AM	#12
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,528 ~(^.^)~	I realize that Miltank can run more interesting sets, but there are so many better Pokemon atm, that there really isn't any reason to use Miltank (especially now that needing to tank a Sunny Day-boosted V-Create is less needed). If you can provide some logs of Miltank in action, then maybe I'd reconsider. But, honestly, the time worth doing so would be better spent working on an analysis of one of the Pokemon on the priority list.

Jun 6th, 2011, 11:22:29 AM	#13
Moo Professor Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,447	Ok, I'll get logs. It may seem wierd, but I really love miltank Edit: Fuck it, I'll do something else. Miltank can wait. __________________ GP / UU QC, VM for check VM for a UU rate

Jun 6th, 2011, 11:29:56 AM	#14
Snunch 6675636B20656F Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,024 great signature by Lunar.	Scyther should be added. It has enough attack and bulk to run either a choice band set or a bulky SD set, and good resistances to fighting and bug, as well as its odd base speed lets it check a significant portion of the most used UU pokemon. Golurk also needs to be up there. The subpunch set is extremely effective, and free subs against pokemon like Chansey, Hitmontop, and Heracross makes Golurk a good stallbreaker. Blocking rapid spin is just icing.

Jun 6th, 2011, 11:30:03 AM	#15
elDino Deal With It. Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,478	You are named after a cow Mooo... I wonder why? On a more serious note, Scyther may be worthy of an analysis, due to its great speed and attack etc. Edit: ninja'd __________________ :D

Jun 6th, 2011, 11:38:09 AM	#17
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,528 ~(^.^)~	K Snunch added those. Also mooo Suicune is already there.

Jun 6th, 2011, 12:04:17 PM	#18
Moo Professor Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,447	lol my bad __________________ GP / UU QC, VM for check VM for a UU rate

Jun 6th, 2011, 12:19:20 PM	#19
ParaChomp Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 596 Row! Row! Fight the power!	Druddigon, it has a powerful 120 attack, defences of 77/90/90, an interesting an wide movepool. It can't set up Trick Room but it works well in it and with all of the Trick Room users in UU, I can see it abusing it with its base 48 speed. No Regirock? With Hippopotas, it can be a devastating tank on both sides which Hippopotas can do...it's still a great Curse user in Sandstorm.

Jun 6th, 2011, 12:46:20 PM	#20
Omicron Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,041 Seattle, WA	Regirock is somewhat outclassed by Registeel and it has 5 weaknesses... __________________

Jun 6th, 2011, 12:54:00 PM	#21
oizo 06 Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 16 Nice, France	As Eelektross is already on this list, I'd like to suggest Electivire. Electivire has higher attack and speed, a better physical movepool, and Motor Drive can be really useful. I'm not saying that Eelektross is outclassed, as it has higher special attack, Coil and Levitate, but Electivire should be on this list as well. __________________ Avatar by Yilx

Jun 6th, 2011, 1:22:04 PM	#22
AccidentalGreed I'll bite off your kneecaps if I ever see a super long post or wall of text. Seriously. Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,034 California	Simipour is notable for it's Nasty Plot set, which can be a deceptively dangerous threat to go against one it does get the boost. It has access to three good coverage moves, and being placed in an odd Speed tier gives it an advantage over base 100's such as Staraptor and Celebi. It was QC rejected for an OU analysis, so I'm pretty sure if it was approved once in the "Unfit for OU" thread, it can be threatening in UU, and thus deserves priority. 3DOstrich is currently in charge of the now-locked Simipour analysis. __________________

Jun 6th, 2011, 2:15:35 PM	#24
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,528 ~(^.^)~	Simipour - While I don't doubt this can be dangerous, I question if it's any more dangerous than the other Nasty Plotters in the priority list right now (which it probably isn't). I can't stress enough that this is just a priority list. This list doesn't mean that Simipour will never get an analysis, I can tell you now it will. Just not right now. Combusken - lol no. Too fragile even with Eviolite, and its offenses are hilariously weak.

Jun 6th, 2011, 2:23:47 PM	#25
AccidentalGreed I'll bite off your kneecaps if I ever see a super long post or wall of text. Seriously. Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,034 California	Well, okay. If it's a priority for other competitors, I already understand perfectly. On the other hand, what about Arcanine? It was a popular offensive threat in last generation's UU, and it helps that sunlight still exists despite the Drought ban in V. __________________