Probopass (0/3)

Itchni · Jul 21st, 2012, 12:49:22 AM

[Overview]

Great supportive and offensive move pool
Steel/Rock may have some crippling weaknesses, but it also gives it a SpD boost in sandstorm
Usable Special Attack
Able to trap and kill most steels in OU
Pseudo QuakeEdge
Needs Sandstorm Support to work effectively
Not outclassed by Magnezone as they fill different roles

[SET]
name: Specially Defensive Steel Killer
move 1: Earth Power
move 2: Hidden Power Fire/Power Gem
move 3: Pain Split
move 4: Taunt/Thunder Wave/Magnet Rise
item: Leftovers
ability: Magnet Pull
nature: Modest
evs: 252HP/252SpA/4SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Probopass can trap and kill all but five OU steel types without any regard to their set.
Physical attackers must swill be wary of switching in because of Thunder Wave
Taunt can be used to shut down hazard laying attempts, and stop skarmory from phazing you out.
Magnet Rise is the least desirable option but necessary to beat some heatran variants.
Choice between HP Fire or Power Gem is based on whether you want to kill steels faster or if you want to be a better attacker in general. Pick power gem if you have a rapid spinner
Pain split allows it to stay healthy and works well with probopass' somewhat low HP and huge defences. Alternatively, two moves on the last slot can be used

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Traps and kills heatran without earth power, which Magnezone cannot boast.
Most Jirachi sets cannot be beaten 1v1 but can cripple with Thunder Wave
Lucario and Metagross are rarely seen but can be paralyzed with Thunder Wave
Choice Band Scizor can be beat with good prediction
Pairs well defensively with Gliscor or defensive Landorus-T
Explosion can be used to exit the battle and bring in an offensive pokemon after probopass has done it's job

[Other Options]

Can run sturdy, but Magnet Pull is superior
Toxic can be used but most pokemon that switch into Probopass are physical sweepers that don't like Paralysis.
More investment into SpD or Def can be used depending on what function you want probopass to take
Access to Stealth Rock
Volt switch can be used to gain momentum

[Checks and Counters]

Probopass technically can't be countered, because once Probopass has trapped and killed his target his job has been done and he can be switched out.
Different counters depending on what support move has been chosen.
Ground types will beat thunder wave Probopass while fighting and water types will beat Magnet Rise Probopass.
Politoed in Particular removes his precious sandstorm and can hit hard with his water move of choice.

**ginganinja** · Jul 21st, 2012, 1:05:13 AM

QC Rejected 1/3

**Pocket** · Jul 21st, 2012, 1:08:50 AM

leave Steel-trapping to Magnezone; Probopass can stay in NU where it belongs.

QC Rejected #2

Itchni · Jul 21st, 2012, 1:11:56 AM

Can I get some specific reasons on why Probopass isn't viable or is it just "lol probopass" He isn't outclassed by magnezone at all and can be much more useful.

**Pocket** · Jul 21st, 2012, 1:42:57 AM

Doesn't kill Jirachi, Skarmory, Ferrothorn. SD Scizor beats it.

breh · Jul 21st, 2012, 1:46:18 AM

HP Fire vs. standard Ferro in rain: Hidden Power Fire: 88-104 (25 - 29.54%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

Probo isn't the strongest, to be frank. It's not the best trapper at all.

ThePillsburyDoughBoy · Jul 21st, 2012, 1:51:10 AM

Probopass deserve an OU analysis as this video shows how well it can implement its utility in the OU metagame. No further comments until Probopass gets the analysis it so justly deserves. 4drag1mag1PASS

Probopass: The Standard
Trolololol (Probopass) (M) @ Fire Gem
Trait: Magnet Pull
EVs: 248 HP / 72 SAtk / 188 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Taunt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Itchni · Jul 21st, 2012, 1:56:17 AM

@Pocket it most definitely kills ferrothorn and skarmory. I never claimed that SD scizor beats it but SD scizor also beats magnezone. Probopass can beat most heatran variants which magnezone cannot. Jirachi can be beat by Gliscor/Landorus/Landorus-T which work well with sandstorm teams. I should probably mention this in my post. Magnezone's only claim to fame is the ability to KO skarmory immediately. Considering recent skarmory usage though, it's not a huge problem

@breh Probopass is meant to be used on a sandstorm team. Regardless of the fact, probopass still traps and kills forry.

@ThePillsburyDoughBoy That video did an amazing job at showing probopass' power. I see how awesome taunt can be. I don't agree whole heatedly with the set but I do see how amazing taunt is on it. I'll update it to reflect your comments, thanks.

ThePillsburyDoughBoy · Jul 21st, 2012, 2:13:17 AM

AC mention Explosion for exiting the field after Probopass trap the steel in question to bring in an offensive threat more easily. Although you would have to run -Spe nature to retain your bulk, which means you couldn't effectively use Taunt.

Itchni · Jul 21st, 2012, 2:16:27 AM

BTW pillsbury could you please explain the nature and ev's. I know mine are horrible but I just want to know your set so I can explain it better when I write up the analysis.

**Fatecrashers** · Jul 21st, 2012, 2:34:38 AM

this too shall pass

Jul 21st, 2012, 12:49:22 AM	#1
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	Probopass (0/3) [Overview] Great supportive and offensive move pool Steel/Rock may have some crippling weaknesses, but it also gives it a SpD boost in sandstorm Usable Special Attack Able to trap and kill most steels in OU Pseudo QuakeEdge Needs Sandstorm Support to work effectively Not outclassed by Magnezone as they fill different roles [SET] name: Specially Defensive Steel Killer move 1: Earth Power move 2: Hidden Power Fire/Power Gem move 3: Pain Split move 4: Taunt/Thunder Wave/Magnet Rise item: Leftovers ability: Magnet Pull nature: Modest evs: 252HP/252SpA/4SpD [SET COMMENTS] Probopass can trap and kill all but five OU steel types without any regard to their set. Physical attackers must swill be wary of switching in because of Thunder Wave Taunt can be used to shut down hazard laying attempts, and stop skarmory from phazing you out. Magnet Rise is the least desirable option but necessary to beat some heatran variants. Choice between HP Fire or Power Gem is based on whether you want to kill steels faster or if you want to be a better attacker in general. Pick power gem if you have a rapid spinner Pain split allows it to stay healthy and works well with probopass' somewhat low HP and huge defences. Alternatively, two moves on the last slot can be used [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] Traps and kills heatran without earth power, which Magnezone cannot boast. Most Jirachi sets cannot be beaten 1v1 but can cripple with Thunder Wave Lucario and Metagross are rarely seen but can be paralyzed with Thunder Wave Choice Band Scizor can be beat with good prediction Pairs well defensively with Gliscor or defensive Landorus-T Explosion can be used to exit the battle and bring in an offensive pokemon after probopass has done it's job [Other Options] Can run sturdy, but Magnet Pull is superior Toxic can be used but most pokemon that switch into Probopass are physical sweepers that don't like Paralysis. More investment into SpD or Def can be used depending on what function you want probopass to take Access to Stealth Rock Volt switch can be used to gain momentum [Checks and Counters] Probopass technically can't be countered, because once Probopass has trapped and killed his target his job has been done and he can be switched out. Different counters depending on what support move has been chosen. Ground types will beat thunder wave Probopass while fighting and water types will beat Magnet Rise Probopass. Politoed in Particular removes his precious sandstorm and can hit hard with his water move of choice. __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson Last edited by Itchni; Jul 21st, 2012 at 2:17:28 AM.

Jul 21st, 2012, 1:08:50 AM	#3
Pocket Talonflame :D Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,305 Bergenfield	leave Steel-trapping to Magnezone; Probopass can stay in NU where it belongs. *QC Rejected #2* __________________ Dark Horse Project: Conquer the Ladder! \| Word of Wisdom for Trainers \| Smogon Doubles: Let's Make It Official!

Jul 21st, 2012, 1:11:56 AM	#4
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	Can I get some specific reasons on why Probopass isn't viable or is it just "lol probopass" He isn't outclassed by magnezone at all and can be much more useful. __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Jul 21st, 2012, 1:42:57 AM	#5
Pocket Talonflame :D Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,305 Bergenfield	Doesn't kill Jirachi, Skarmory, Ferrothorn. SD Scizor beats it. __________________ Dark Horse Project: Conquer the Ladder! \| Word of Wisdom for Trainers \| Smogon Doubles: Let's Make It Official!

Jul 21st, 2012, 1:46:18 AM	#6
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,960	HP Fire vs. standard Ferro in rain: Hidden Power Fire: 88-104 (25 - 29.54%) -- guaranteed 5HKO Probo isn't the strongest, to be frank. It's not the best trapper at all. __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place

Jul 21st, 2012, 1:05:13 AM	#2
ginganinja Delena 4ever Moderator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,151 In Love	QC Rejected 1/3 __________________

Jul 21st, 2012, 1:51:10 AM	#7
ThePillsburyDoughBoy Ttar by Doughboy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 976 Mentor	Probopass deserve an OU analysis as this video shows how well it can implement its utility in the OU metagame. No further comments until Probopass gets the analysis it so justly deserves. 4drag1mag1PASS Probopass: The Standard Trolololol (Probopass) (M) @ Fire Gem Trait: Magnet Pull EVs: 248 HP / 72 SAtk / 188 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Taunt - Hidden Power [Fire] - Earth Power - Stealth Rock __________________ Check Out the 1 vs 1 Metagame: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3483807 Last edited by ThePillsburyDoughBoy; Jul 21st, 2012 at 2:01:24 AM.

Jul 21st, 2012, 1:56:17 AM	#8
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	@Pocket it most definitely kills ferrothorn and skarmory. I never claimed that SD scizor beats it but SD scizor also beats magnezone. Probopass can beat most heatran variants which magnezone cannot. Jirachi can be beat by Gliscor/Landorus/Landorus-T which work well with sandstorm teams. I should probably mention this in my post. Magnezone's only claim to fame is the ability to KO skarmory immediately. Considering recent skarmory usage though, it's not a huge problem @breh Probopass is meant to be used on a sandstorm team. Regardless of the fact, probopass still traps and kills forry. @ThePillsburyDoughBoy That video did an amazing job at showing probopass' power. I see how awesome taunt can be. I don't agree whole heatedly with the set but I do see how amazing taunt is on it. I'll update it to reflect your comments, thanks. __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson Last edited by Itchni; Jul 21st, 2012 at 2:22:43 AM.

Jul 21st, 2012, 2:13:17 AM	#9
ThePillsburyDoughBoy Ttar by Doughboy Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 976 Mentor	AC mention Explosion for exiting the field after Probopass trap the steel in question to bring in an offensive threat more easily. Although you would have to run -Spe nature to retain your bulk, which means you couldn't effectively use Taunt. __________________ Check Out the 1 vs 1 Metagame: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3483807

Jul 21st, 2012, 2:16:27 AM	#10
Itchni Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 777	BTW pillsbury could you please explain the nature and ev's. I know mine are horrible but I just want to know your set so I can explain it better when I write up the analysis. __________________ Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am prosecuted whenever I am contradicted - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Jul 21st, 2012, 2:34:38 AM	#11
Fatecrashers UNH UNH UNH UNH Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,915	this too shall pass __________________