5th Gen Database and Moveset Error compilation

***Oglemi**** · Nov 4th, 2011, 5:14:41 PM

Similar to this thread, this thread is designed to compile database errors so you guys can stop posting in the small changes thread!

Here's some examples of the stuff that belongs in this thread. Don't expect this stuff to get changed right away though, this is for stuff down the road.

P.S. I won't be updating the OP regularly, so don't bother me to do so! Eventually stuff will get put in Hide tags.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SuperJOCKE

Basculin-B is missing an ability. It's abilities should be:

Reckless
Rock Head
Adaptability
Mold Breaker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Missingno. Master

http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/darmanitan-z

This page only covers Darmanitan's Zen Mode. Which is only possible for Darmanitan with Zen Mode. And yet, the page lists Sheer Force as one of its possible abilities.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Erebyssial

Couldn't find that site error thread so I guess I'll post here

What's up with the B/W Stealth Rock page? Loads of Pokemon are missing from the list:

http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/stealth_rock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Fizz

The following post concerns a database error. I couldn't find the relevant thread, so, considering this change is fairly objective, I figured I'd post it here.

I don't know how widespread this problem is, and it may be limited to this one instance, but Metagross both lacks Stealth Rock on its "moves" page and is not listed under Stealth Rock's recipients. Evidence: 1 2

Edit: And obviously, Metagross gets the move. One of its sets is titled "Stealth Rock", and Metagross was well-known as a Stealth Rock setter in 4th gen.

Edit2: OK, the error is not confined to a single Pokémon. The Pokémon not on the Stealth Rock list who do in fact learn the move (This list is not necessarily complete by any means):

Metagross
Celebi
Aerodactyl
Blissey
Azelf
Bronzong
Jirachi
Empoleon
Infernape
Swampert
Hippowdon
Heatran
Gliscor (Can learn it if lacking Poison Heal)
Wormadam (Extremely important!!!)

There are more.

Edit: Oh jesus this was already posted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Professor Lamb

@Fizz
The list of Pokemon that can learn Stealth Rock in the Black and White page apparently only include Pokemon that can learn the move in-game. With Metagross and those other examples, you can teach them Stealth Rock in the fourth generation games and then migrate them over to the fifth generation games. However, they can't learn Stealth Rock in the fifth generation games, so they aren't on that list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Fizz

@Professor Lamb,

Understood. But was this intentional? I suppose I can understand why Pokémon who only learn it in 4th gen wouldn't be listed for in-game purposes, but Smogon is first and foremost a competitive community, and it seems ludicrous that when I go to the Stealth Rock page to see which Pokémon can set it up, I'm met with an impartial list. Especially when Metagross, for instance, has a set called "Stealth Rock" but doesn't show up on the list.

How is this in any way advantageous? Smogon's move lists are now at the very least incredibly confusing (with examples such as the above or Seismic Toss being listed on Blissey's analysis but not her "moves" page), and are likely now effectively useless to a competitive battler.

JellyOs · Nov 5th, 2011, 8:02:00 PM

http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/jirachi/moves Jirachi's missing Iron Head, a pretty big move

Zlash88 · Nov 17th, 2011, 12:09:36 AM

http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/abra

In the overview for the pokemon, it states Abra has Magic Coat, not Magic Guard, whereas the ability list provides the accurate ability list.

Komodo · Nov 22nd, 2011, 12:00:57 PM

Torkoal is missing the following moves, although they're not all important, Stealth Rock and Earth Power are listed on a set and not in the 'moves' section.

Iron Tail - Gen 4 TM
Secret Power - Gen 4 TM
Earth Power - Gen 4 tutor
Captivate - Gen 4 TM
Stealth Rock - Gen 4 TM / Dream World(?)
Natural Gift - Gen 4 TM
Snore - Gen 4 tutor
Mud Slap - Gen 4 tutor
Rollout - Gen 4 tutor
Headbutt - Gen 4 tutor

By the looks of things, most BW Pokemon are missing moves they can get via Gen 4 and be transferred.

DDRMaster · Dec 2nd, 2011, 1:53:47 PM

***RBG**** · Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:08:20 PM

The current Move Dex only lists the moves they can learn in Gen 5. It does not list tutor/event moves from Gen VI or III.

dragonboy52 · Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:36:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zlash88

http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/abra

In the overview for the pokemon, it states Abra has Magic Coat, not Magic Guard, whereas the ability list provides the accurate ability list.

It's actually suppose to be Magic Coat. The author was referring to the move not the ability.

Purple Cant · Dec 20th, 2011, 8:26:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat RBG

The current Move Dex only lists the moves they can learn in Gen 5. It does not list tutor/event moves from Gen VI or III.

Why is this though? As has been said before, Smogon is first and foremost a competitive community; if people wanted to know what Pokemon learns what move from just one specific generation then they can look at sites like this and this for that information. If the moderators have a reason for this not being so, then all these complaints about certain Pokemon not having a certain move can be eliminated.

While we're on the note of moves from a previous generation, though, let's talk about GenIII learnsets (I'm not sure if this has already been called to attention, so forgive me if it has). Through Pal Park, Pokemon which learned a TM or tutor move from the third generation could be transfered over to the fourth generation. Thus, even if a Pokemon didn't learn a move in the fourth generation, it could still have the move even in the fifth generation if it learned it in the third generation.

***Oglemi**** · Dec 20th, 2011, 10:05:36 PM

>.>

It's not like we don't want our database to be complete, it's the fact that nobody except those with root access (i.e. about 2 of the current admins) are able to fix the current moveset errors.

Obviously if we could fix it we would. How dumb would it be for us to say "nope we aren't going to list every move they can learn cuz we feel like it."

Wonderslime · Jan 15th, 2012, 8:34:11 PM

Hey all! I'm brand new, and I registered just because I realized this earlier tonight... so hopefully this is the right place to post this (and maybe this has already been pointed out).

Anyway, as far as I can see, Vibrava doesn't even have an entry in the B/W pokedex. Check it out:
http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/

Thanks!

***Oglemi**** · Jan 15th, 2012, 10:25:14 PM

That's because it's under the NFE tag. Our Strategydex only lists analyses for those fully evolved Pokemon and some NFEs that are usable in some tier, and most middle evolutions such as Vibrava are so bad that they aren't even usable in NU.

There is a message under "Pokemon" on the Strategydex page that says "Change your preferences here." Click the here and you'll be taken to this page and from there you can change the tier threshold from Limbo to NFE.

Wonderslime · Jan 15th, 2012, 10:52:11 PM

Ahhhh, that makes perfect sense, I can't believe I didn't catch the preferences link. Anyway, I'm not surprised that it is that bad. Sorry about that!

barone13 · Jan 17th, 2012, 6:58:50 PM

On the counter set, it lists: Softboiled / Wish as a move, but since wish was an event move, and counter is an egg move, I'm pretty sure she can't have both in the same set. Right?

**TheMantyke** · Jan 22nd, 2012, 12:50:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat barone13

On the counter set, it lists: Softboiled / Wish as a move, but since wish was an event move, and counter is an egg move, I'm pretty sure she can't have both in the same set. Right?

Counter was also a 3rd Gen Tutor attack and is legal with Wish.

Edit: This is also pretty silly and minor, but Gligar and Gliscor are missing Dream Eater from their 4th and 5th gen movepools. They could learn the attack by tutor in FRLGE, but lost the ability to learn it by TM in later gens, a lot like the way Qwilfish learns Swords Dance.

DDRMaster · Mar 6th, 2012, 1:22:16 PM

http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/feint

Feint's Base Power is listed as 50 in the BW section, despite having its Base Power reduced to 30 in Gen 5. This error is also shown in the move lists of the Pokemon that learn Feint.

Komodo edit: Higher ranked staff can edit this; super mods/admins help me out here?

Fizz · Mar 13th, 2012, 2:44:54 PM

http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/volt_switch

Herdier and Victini are listed as receiving the move. Moreover, they are listed as the only Pokémon to receive the move.

Edit: I set the tier threshold to NFE (if that makes a difference), and I now realize that the problem isn't limited to Volt Switch. For instance, Sucker Punch is listed as being learned by Emboar and Serperior, Hidden Power by literally five Pokémon, and Leech Seed by Liepard.

Wonder what's up.

lmitchell0012 · Mar 13th, 2012, 4:15:43 PM

There are a lot of errors with hydreigon's movepool in the strategydex. It says he gets recover and future sight (pretty sure he doesn't get these). In addition to this, he's missing a ton of his moves. Forgot to say it also says he gets hammer arm. Fairly certain he doesn't get that either.

BurningMan · Mar 13th, 2012, 5:25:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat lmitchell0012

There are a lot of errors with hydreigon's movepool in the strategydex. It says he gets recover and future sight (pretty sure he doesn't get these). In addition to this, he's missing a ton of his moves. Forgot to say it also says he gets hammer arm. Fairly certain he doesn't get that either.

The whole Database for 5th gen seems to be fucked up at the moment there are also a lot pokeon who have absolutly no moves listed in their 5th gen move list.

Firestorm · Mar 13th, 2012, 5:32:20 PM

In the meantime, I'd recommend Veekun for the best dex:
http://veekun.com/dex

**Fatecrashers** · Mar 13th, 2012, 5:33:52 PM

the movedex is glitched at the moment and the sprites for unova mons are also not showing up, these are known problems which will hopefully be fixed posthaste

DDRMaster · Mar 15th, 2012, 9:13:08 AM

(I think this is supposed to go here but I'm not sure.)

http://www.smogon.com/rb/moves/karate_chop

Karate Chop's RB page lists it as a Fighting-type move. However, it was a Normal-type move in Gen I and was changed to Fighting in Gen II.

Youkai Enslaver · Apr 30th, 2012, 11:24:38 PM

The thing about Basculin-B and the Rock Head ability is it cannot have Egg moves, it can only be Adamant nature, and its IVs can only be 20/31/20/20/20/20.

EDIT: It's been fixed in Black 2/White 2, so now Blue-striped Basculin can have Rock Head naturally.

alkinesthetase · Jul 18th, 2012, 11:29:16 PM

not quite analysis stuff, but on the about page:
http://www.smogon.com/about
check out the top bar. it still links to diamond/pearl, rather than bw. the philosophy page (http://www.smogon.com/philosophy) still links there as well, but the credits page is fine

Swamp-Rocket · Jul 23rd, 2012, 7:36:16 PM

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/nidoran-m

It doesn't have a typing listed.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/nidoran-f

It also doesn't have a typing listed.

Their RSE, GSC, and RBY pages also don't have typings.

Woodchuck · Nov 3rd, 2012, 1:25:03 AM

http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/hurricane

Missing Articuno and Moltres.
(And Zapdos, but that's Game Freak's fault.)

Nov 5th, 2011, 8:02:00 PM	#2
JellyOs Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 453	http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/jirachi/moves Jirachi's missing Iron Head, a pretty big move __________________ Music C&C Work

Nov 22nd, 2011, 12:00:57 PM	#4
Komodo Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,001	Torkoal is missing the following moves, although they're not all important, Stealth Rock and Earth Power are listed on a set and not in the 'moves' section. Iron Tail - Gen 4 TM Secret Power - Gen 4 TM Earth Power - Gen 4 tutor Captivate - Gen 4 TM Stealth Rock - Gen 4 TM / Dream World(?) Natural Gift - Gen 4 TM Snore - Gen 4 tutor Mud Slap - Gen 4 tutor Rollout - Gen 4 tutor Headbutt - Gen 4 tutor By the looks of things, most BW Pokemon are missing moves they can get via Gen 4 and be transferred. __________________ If you ask nicely I can GP check Smog articles =]

Dec 2nd, 2011, 2:08:20 PM	#6
*RBG It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything. Super Moderator** Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,230 Home: Goshen Scout Reservation	The current Move Dex only lists the moves they can learn in Gen 5. It does not list tutor/event moves from Gen VI or III. __________________ Alder: N, even if we don't understand each other, that's not a reason to reject each other. There are two sides to an argument. Is there one point of view that has all the answers? Give it some thought.

Dec 20th, 2011, 10:05:36 PM	#9
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,527 ~(^.^)~	>.> It's not like we don't want our database to be complete, it's the fact that nobody except those with root access (i.e. about 2 of the current admins) are able to fix the current moveset errors. Obviously if we could fix it we would. How dumb would it be for us to say "nope we aren't going to list every move they can learn cuz we feel like it." __________________ <shade> what an intense scrotum

Jan 15th, 2012, 8:34:11 PM	#10
Wonderslime Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2 Guelph, ON	Vibrava missing from Strategy Pokedex Hey all! I'm brand new, and I registered just because I realized this earlier tonight... so hopefully this is the right place to post this (and maybe this has already been pointed out). Anyway, as far as I can see, Vibrava doesn't even have an entry in the B/W pokedex. Check it out: http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/ Thanks!

Nov 17th, 2011, 12:09:36 AM	#3
Zlash88 Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 5	http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/abra In the overview for the pokemon, it states Abra has Magic Coat, not Magic Guard, whereas the ability list provides the accurate ability list.

Jan 15th, 2012, 10:25:14 PM	#11
*Oglemi I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,527 ~(^.^)~	That's because it's under the NFE tag. Our Strategydex only lists analyses for those fully evolved Pokemon and some NFEs that are usable in some tier, and most middle evolutions such as Vibrava are so bad that they aren't even usable in NU. There is a message under "Pokemon" on the Strategydex page that says "Change your preferences here." Click the here and you'll be taken to this page and from there you can change the tier threshold from Limbo to NFE. __________________ <shade> what an intense scrotum

Jan 15th, 2012, 10:52:11 PM	#12
Wonderslime Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2 Guelph, ON	Ahhhh, that makes perfect sense, I can't believe I didn't catch the preferences link. Anyway, I'm not surprised that it is that bad. Sorry about that!

Jan 17th, 2012, 6:58:50 PM	#13
barone13 Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 37 Somewhere in New England	Chansey move set On the counter set, it lists: Softboiled / Wish as a move, but since wish was an event move, and counter is an egg move, I'm pretty sure she can't have both in the same set. Right?

Mar 13th, 2012, 2:44:54 PM	#16
Fizz Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 801	http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/volt_switch Herdier and Victini are listed as receiving the move. Moreover, they are listed as the only Pokémon to receive the move. Edit: I set the tier threshold to NFE (if that makes a difference), and I now realize that the problem isn't limited to Volt Switch. For instance, Sucker Punch is listed as being learned by Emboar and Serperior, Hidden Power by literally five Pokémon, and Leech Seed by Liepard. Wonder what's up. __________________ I'm on the Grammar-Prose Team; feel free to message me if you'd like to have something checked.

Mar 13th, 2012, 4:15:43 PM	#17
lmitchell0012 Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,121	There are a lot of errors with hydreigon's movepool in the strategydex. It says he gets recover and future sight (pretty sure he doesn't get these). In addition to this, he's missing a ton of his moves. Forgot to say it also says he gets hammer arm. Fairly certain he doesn't get that either. __________________ Platinum FC 2665 0699 0580. Game name is Dawn. White FC 3783 1664 8708 I use RELEASED DREAM WORLD ABILITIES ONLY. I may use legal hacks. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3451853 Last edited by lmitchell0012; Mar 13th, 2012 at 4:43:03 PM.

Mar 13th, 2012, 5:32:20 PM	#19
Firestorm I did my best, I have no regrets! Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,261 Vancouver, BC	In the meantime, I'd recommend Veekun for the best dex: http://veekun.com/dex __________________

Mar 13th, 2012, 5:33:52 PM	#20
Fatecrashers UNH UNH UNH UNH Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,915	the movedex is glitched at the moment and the sprites for unova mons are also not showing up, these are known problems which will hopefully be fixed posthaste __________________

Apr 30th, 2012, 11:24:38 PM	#22
Youkai Enslaver Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 113	The thing about Basculin-B and the Rock Head ability is it cannot have Egg moves, it can only be Adamant nature, and its IVs can only be 20/31/20/20/20/20. EDIT: It's been fixed in Black 2/White 2, so now Blue-striped Basculin can have Rock Head naturally. Last edited by Youkai Enslaver; Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:00:06 AM.

Jul 18th, 2012, 11:29:16 PM	#23
alkinesthetase <MrE> SPIDERS /\/\;,,;/\/\ Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 696 <ala> canadabros is the strongest bros you can be Mentor	not quite analysis stuff, but on the about page: http://www.smogon.com/about check out the top bar. it still links to diamond/pearl, rather than bw. the philosophy page (http://www.smogon.com/philosophy) still links there as well, but the credits page is fine __________________ <%yee> i will summon a spider to kill alkines my massive mafia roles list

Jul 23rd, 2012, 7:36:16 PM	#24
Swamp-Rocket Give me the number for 911! Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 544 USA	http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/nidoran-m It doesn't have a typing listed. http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/nidoran-f It also doesn't have a typing listed. Their RSE, GSC, and RBY pages also don't have typings. Last edited by Swamp-Rocket; Jul 28th, 2012 at 1:41:00 PM.

Nov 3rd, 2012, 1:25:03 AM	#25
Woodchuck <Feranfell> punbot irl aka virginity protector Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,652 us best	http://www.smogon.com/bw/moves/hurricane Missing Articuno and Moltres. (And Zapdos, but that's Game Freak's fault.) __________________