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May 1st, 2013, 10:13:29 PM
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UU Stats: April 2013
Okay then. I'll take the liberty of posting the UU stats thread once more. Another big thanks to Antar for these.
April UU Stats
UU Lead Usage
UU Metagame Analysis
Now for the moveset statistics I will update this with 1850 stats once they are out. The stats are as typical as always. Heracross still retains its #1 spot as expected, though I think Mienshao should take that now. Roserade reclaims its Top 5 spot while Blastoise and Chandelure maintain their places. Kingdra and Umbreon break into the Top 10 given how good they are in the current metagame. Gligar breaks back into the Top 15 quite oddly enough, which is strange as it really isn't that good. Crobat makes it into the Top 15 once more, and Hitmontop is still annoyingly high at #17. Scrafty and Slowbro make it into the Top 25, while Azelf still maintains more usage than Mew. Ambipom is still not as low as it really should be in the stats. Interestingly, Yanmega and Sharpedo are right next to each other in the stats. Nidoqueen is still not pulling its weight as it is still at #43 despite being firmly UU. Meloetta, Houndoom, and Dusclops are still clinging to UU by the skin of their teeth, while Qwilfish could potentially make it to UU if its usage goes up within the next two months. Anyways, discuss!
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May 1st, 2013, 10:16:17 PM
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| 1 | Heracross | 20.03529% | 47155 | 19.274% | 37080 | 18.240% |
| 2 | Chandelure | 18.40495% | 43258 | 17.681% | 35979 | 17.698% | | 3 | Mienshao | 16.98402% | 37051 | 15.144% | 30692 | 15.098% | Obligatory. | 7 | Snorlax | 14.26290% | 33129 | 13.541% | 27436 | 13.496% | | 8 | Raikou | 14.08422% | 30662 | 12.532% | 24670 | 12.135% | Not bad. | 10 | Kingdra | 12.43372% | 29245 | 11.953% | 23465 | 11.543% | | 11 | Victini | 12.35933% | 28081 | 11.478% | 23306 | 11.464% | | 13 | Zapdos | 11.86649% | 26344 | 10.768% | 21722 | 10.685% | | 29 | Togekiss | 8.25501% | 20802 | 8.502% | 17013 | 8.369% | Top 10, anyone? | 32 | Ambipom | 7.52816% | 21453 | 8.768% | 18969 | 9.331% | | 57 | Meloetta | 3.80210% | 9216 | 3.767% | 7461 | 3.670% | One day you'll beat Awfulpom, Meloetta! Don't give up! Trust your instincts! | 58 | Dusclops | 3.59034% | 10068 | 4.115% | 8577 | 4.219% | Seriously just drop already. | 59 | Qwilfish | 2.68807% | 5356 | 2.189% | 4787 | 2.355% | Can this thing break into UU range? |
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May 1st, 2013, 10:18:00 PM
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May 1st, 2013, 10:27:00 PM
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| 17 | Hitmontop | 10.84803% | 24280 | 9.924% | 20190 | 9.932% |
Hitmontop isn't bad, but he isn't good enough for the top 20. | 21 | Swampert | 9.70548% | 22607 | 9.240% | 20250 | 9.961% | This guy is a very neat UU pokemon. Definetly deserves him some more love. | 32 | Ambipom | 7.52816% | 21453 | 8.768% | 18969 | 9.331% | This guy deserves to be #1 JK. He should really leave UU. I would much rather use dusclops over this guy. | 37 | Porygon-Z | 6.65867% | 16745 | 6.844% | 13327 | 6.556% | Climbing up the ladder I see. | 40 | Machamp | 6.52991% | 16799 | 6.866% | 13843 | 6.810% | Machamp is THE KING of forcing switches. He may not be amazing, but he is by no means bad. Give him some more love. | 57 | Meloetta | 3.80210% | 9216 | 3.767% | 7461 | 3.670% | Quote:
Your almost UU qwilfish! Keep it up! | 65 | Golurk | 1.80005% | 3932 | 1.607% | 3392 | 1.669% | Like I said before, Golurk is a monster and deserves a bit more credit.
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May 1st, 2013, 10:57:56 PM
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| 42 | Sharpedo | 6.17914% | 14682 | 6.001% | 11404 | 5.610% |
UU, I am dissapoint. Seems like Crobat is getting more usage, and Togekiss still isn't getting enough. Nice to see that we've almost kicked Blastoise out of top 5. Almost. Nice to see Cofagrigus still rising up, as it finally breaks the top 20. Hopefully the usage for this mon will just keep going up while the usage of Dusclops drops. One can only hope. Umbreon took quite the leap in stats this time around, breaking into the top 10. I remember a time when it wasn't even in top 20. It's a good pokemon, but is it really top 10 worthy? More importantly, is it more top 10 worthy than pokemon like Victini, Zapdos, and Togekiss? Especially in a metagame controlled by Heracross and Mienshao. Makes more sense that Gligar is going up, although Umbreon seems pretty questionable.
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May 2nd, 2013, 2:55:04 AM
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Additionally, if you want to make a case for something in the top 10 making way for one of zapdos/victini/togekiss, I'd be looking at bronzong myself. Does the tin can actually have any half-way decent use outside setting SR, only to slowly but surely get crippled/die? |
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May 2nd, 2013, 1:17:18 PM
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Woo hoo for qwilfish : ) I've been having a lot of fun with testing qwilfish over slowbro and im happy with what I've seen : ) intimidate really gives qwilfish bulk while allowing ti absorb t spikes and lay down spikes at the same time. Having haze is great too to stop dd kingdra from getting too many boosts : P
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May 3rd, 2013, 7:35:24 AM
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Oh man, I really don't want to deal with Kingdra more.
Also, I'm beginning to question my use of Milotic.
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May 3rd, 2013, 7:39:47 AM
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| 1 | Heracross | 20.03529% | 47155 | 19.274% | 37080 | 18.240% |
| 2 | Chandelure | 18.40495% | 43258 | 17.681% | 35979 | 17.698% | | 3 | Mienshao | 16.98402% | 37051 | 15.144% | 30692 | 15.098% | Totally predictable. | 34 | Empoleon | 7.10787% | 16158 | 6.604% | 14094 | 6.933% | Empoleon should be higher. Such a good Pokémon. | 11 | Victini | 12.35933% | 28081 | 11.478% | 23306 | 11.464% | OU material. Why is this mon in UU? | 57 | Meloetta | 3.80210% | 9216 | 3.767% | 7461 | 3.670% | I must resist not to cry.
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May 3rd, 2013, 8:09:04 AM
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| 16 | Darmanitan | 11.06617% | 25890 | 10.582% | 21469 |10.561%|
I've learned real fast the Darmanitan is an absolute monster in this metagame. Although its Choice Scarf set is really good, the classic Life Orb set is so fun to use. Flare Blitz pretty much decimates everything in the tier that doesn't resist it, making him a great late game sweeper. Definitely deserves more usage. | 30 | Mew | 8.25414% | 20460 | 8.363% | 17356 | 8.538% | Mew needs a lot more usage as well. It's bulky set is pretty damn hard to take down unless you have a Heracross or Honchkrow on your team, but even then they risk being burnt by Will-O-Wisp. I've been using its Nasty Plot set lately, and have found great success with it. Unlike Azelf, Mew is extremely unpredictable. Surprising everyone with Giga Drain is cool. | 34 | Empoleon | 7.10787% | 16158 | 6.604% | 14094 | 6.933% | And yes, I agree with GottaLoveMeloetta ,this thing needs more usage as well. Empoleon is one of the greatest counters to Kingdra in the tier, and even Chandelure to an extent. Stealth Rock is just icing on the cake, and unlike Blastoise, Empoleon has decent SpA even uninvested.
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May 3rd, 2013, 8:47:53 AM
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On another note, I'm rather pleased to see froslass drop in usage, even if only a little. Either because I don't particularly care to face sashlass + 5 sweeper teams, or that the number of teams wrongly using sashlass finally realised it can't simply be chucked onto any old team and just be expected to be the god of spike stacking.
Also pleased to see P2 usage increase slightly, though why it has increased in usage is somewhat a mystery to me, seeing as nothing major has changed from last month? |
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May 3rd, 2013, 6:15:06 PM
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As for P2, I have no idea why, but P2 is pretty good. I would imagine the usage would correlate with Gligar's usage, since it takes Special Hits pretty well. The Analytic Set/Download Set is pretty deadly and the Trace Set walls quite a few of the Chandys running around. Perhaps that is the reason? |
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May 3rd, 2013, 6:20:22 PM
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I can't understand why Mienshao isn't taking the number one spot. It is the best UU poke hands down, and honestly is better than Heracross. In no way am I saying Hera is bad, but imo Mienshao is more deserving.
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May 3rd, 2013, 6:28:59 PM
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May 3rd, 2013, 6:41:38 PM
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| 21 | Swampert | 9.70548% | 22607 | 9.240% | 20250 | 9.961% |
Forgot to mention this bad boy, another really good UU Pokemon that deserves more usage. Although Swampert is well known for its bulky set, I've recently been testing out Banded Swampert, and I must say that it's amazing. It's not very fast, but with paralysis support from Amoonguss, Swampert can pretty much destroy anything with Waterfall or Earthquake. If you play your cards right, Swampert can achieve a LOT of surprising KOs since most people will suspect it to be the classic defensive set. Breaking through special walls such as Snorlax, Empoleon, and Umbreon is just icing on the cake. Quote:
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May 3rd, 2013, 6:55:46 PM
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Oh and I forgot to mention that imo Heracross's best set is the Guts+Band set, but it sits at a measly 9% usage. I was arguing about this on PS the other day, because honestly Moxieballing with Heracross Ian overrated. Heracross has the great aspect of huge attack coupled with high powered moves. Guts adds another attack boost and makes this guy a monster. The Scarf set is generally outclassed by Scarf Mienshao, who has better speed, power, and U-turn.
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May 3rd, 2013, 7:00:19 PM
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I agree. Scarf heracross is prepared for by so many players. The band set packs more immediate power, allowing you to 2HKO cofagrigus with night slash and OHKO nidoqueen with earthquake.
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May 3rd, 2013, 8:13:52 PM
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May 4th, 2013, 1:20:15 AM
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May 4th, 2013, 2:42:38 AM
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Honestly, I don't get all this mienshao>heracross business. While mienshao undeniably performs better as a choice scarfer, I've found I've always prefered heracross for its far greater team and defensive utility. Whereas mienshao can really switch in on jack in the tier, heracross has useful resistances to ground, fighting, and grass meaning it has many more opportunities to switch in as well as its better bulk. When you combine this with the fact that it is basically the only viable guts user in the tier, making it invaluable to heavily physical teams and the fact that it's CB set also wall breaks better than mienshao, i honestly don't think it's unreasonable it's so high.
On a different note, it's good to hear other people using CBpert. It's been a favourite set of mine for a while with water and ground having such good coverage in the tier. What I don't get though is why lax isn't higher but that will probably sort itself out once the we get the 1850 stats.
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May 4th, 2013, 10:16:32 AM
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Yeah don't let people tell you that CB Azumarill outclasses CB Swampert, because that's simply not true. Swampert can switch into most variants of Raikou and Zapdos as long as they don't carry HP Grass, whilst threatening them. Azumarill gets fuck up by T-Bolt. If your team has issues with Electric-types, then CB Swampert should always be considered before CB Azumarill.
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May 4th, 2013, 12:24:42 PM
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Also, As seen below, Suicune doesn't get much usage, that alone makes no sense. Sure, Raikou does get Volt Switch and hits harder than Suicune, but, Crocune is still a giant threat. Late game, Suicune easily sweeps if played correctly, which isn't hard to do. Since Crocune gets RestTalk, inflicting status does no good. Phazing won't work either, as a lone Suicune will not flee from the opponent. Suicune definitely deserves more usage. 33 | Suicune | 7.28696% | 16116 | 6.587% | 13581 | 6.681% |
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May 4th, 2013, 8:11:26 PM
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My typical overanalysis of the stats:
Top 5 Most Imrpoved: (Pokemon whose relative weight increased the most) 1. Raikou 2. Abomasnow 3. Roserade 4. Azumarill 5. Tornadus
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Top 5 Slumping: (Pokemon whose relative weighting decreased the most) 1. Blastoise 2. Zapdos 3. Umbreon 4. Nidoqueen 5. Venomoth
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Fortunes Rising: Porygon2 Although I don't notice a sharp trend in types of rises, the increase in Nidoqueen probably helps Porygon2's cause, as he can Trace Sheer Force to have an 80% chance at OHKOing Queen after Spikes, while she can only 2HKO back with Focus Blast. Now that I look at it Queen can 2HKO with Earth Power --> Focus Blast, so I don't know. I'm just going by what the numbers are telling me. He's been rising up the past 2 months with a consistently solid weight, so that trend seems primed to continue. Fortunes Falling: Rhyperior Kind of the opposite of Porygon2. Similar weights, but he's been falling consistently for the past 3 months, and I don't see much changing that signifies slowing his descent. Nidoqueen's jump would seem to help, but Bronzong and Gligar rising in usage is probably more to blame. Bold Prediction of the Month: Zoroark finishes ahead of Xatu Neither have been used particularly well (average to barely below average), but Zoroark is trending up while Xatu is trending down. They should cross somewhere in between their current usages (about 5.2% weighted).
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May 4th, 2013, 11:13:02 PM
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Heracross seems to be easier to fit as a revenge killer, but Mienshao seems to fit like any role of a physical attacker you need...an effective scarfed set, a lure, anything. GOD DAMN, the SubPass set is just as good as special tini at destroying lures. |
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May 11th, 2013, 7:54:23 PM
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I know its a little late to comment on these but, what the heck:
Rohail17's Stat Speculations
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