|Jul 31st, 2012, 4:09:41 PM||#1|
Join Date: Aug 2010
After playing UU for a long time (since gen IV), I decided to go back to OU since I do like playing with weather and to see as how it has changed completely since I have last played it. I started with a rain team, but I hated constantly playing against other rain teams. Then I tried a sun team but felt it was just too weak with Politoed and Tyranitar beating Ninetales. So I settled on using sand afterwards.
I first based it on the Amoonguss, Slowbro and Heatran core but didn't like that fact that both Amoonguss and Slowbro took Sandstorm and Spikes damage and thereby weakening it's defenses prowess by a lot. Then I experimented stuff such as Choice Scarf Landorus and Gliscor, but then finally settled with the team below.
Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 100 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Tail
The necessary weather starter, but also a really heavy hitter. Choice Banded Tyranitar just does massive damage to anything, most importantly any opposing weather starters that dare to switch in. I have tried other versions of Tyranitars but they just didn't seem to put in as much work as this one. Crunch, Pursuit and Stone Edge are the obvious necessities. The last slot went to Aqua Tail to hit Ground types effectively, but I do miss running Earthquakes to handle steel types and I have almost never used Aqua Tail.
Tentacruel (M) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Rapid Spin
I wanted a Rapid Spinner, but have always hated Forretress because I didn't beat any Spin Blockers, notably Jellicent. Tentacruel, on the other hand, can beat any Jellicents that decide to come in to block. Toxic on the switch-in (or sub up first), and then keep using Substitute and Rapid Spin until it either switches-out or dies from Toxic. Furthermore, it absorbs Toxic Spikes just by switching in, which helps Tyranitar, Terrakion and Gastrodon a lot. Unfortunately Tentacruel cannot spin against a healthy Gengar, but it can still inflict quite a bit of damage to it and possibly a burn with Scald, and Gengar cannot repeatedly switching without being KO'd.
Tentacruel also serves as a counter to Rain (which is why I am using Rain Dish over Liquid Ooze, and Rain Dish also works well with Substitute) and can take Scizor's Bullet Punches.
Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Brave Bird
I had Gliscor in this slot before, but it seemed like everything (i.e. Landorus) carried ice attacks, and that made life difficult for Gliscor. Skarmory, on the other hand, is not afraid of those ice attacks. It does takes fighting attacks less well, but luckily, it's defensive bulk is good enough to still tank those rather well when at a decent amount of health. Skarmory's immunity to ground is quite crucial to this team, as Gastrodon's smaller physical bulk means even Earthquakes may KO it.
The set is pretty standard, with Brave Bird over Taunt to avoid being complete Taunt bait. I am running a full defensive Skarmory because the special defense is handled well by the rest of my team.
Gastrodon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Earth Power
Primarily here to act as a Rain counter that doesn't take Sandstorm damage. It has proved it's worth by taking the numerous Thunder and Water attacks that will otherwise destroy my team. Its really don't afraid of grass attacks but Skarmory and Heatran handles those quite well. The set is pretty standard so there's not much to say.
Heatran (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 228 SDef / 28 Spd
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Earth Power
- Dragon Pulse
Heatran is a common sight on sand teams and for good reason - no sandstorm damage and provides crucial resistances to sand teams while possessing good stats. I went with a specially defensive build because I really need Heatran to stay alive as long as possible because it's so crucial to this team to resist a bunch of attacks. Heatran also single-handedly makes life difficult for sun teams as well.
Protect is used because a bunch of things that switch in on Heatran are Choiced so Protects lets me know what they are locked into. Stealth Rock is an option, but I really like having the Protect, and Dragon Pulse is necessary to prevent stuff such as Kingdra from setting up on me.
Terrakion @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Zen Headbutt
Terrakion is a great revenger killer and a late game sweeper. Close Combat, Stone Edge and necessary STABs, while OHKOs X-Scissor hits Celebi. Zen Headbutt hits Fighting types super effectively. Nobody likes seeing a Terrakion on the other team for good reason - it just murders stuff. I had Scarf Landorus in this slot but found that Terrakion's STABs and coverage was more threatening.
Last edited by HiImGrey; Jul 31st, 2012 at 6:28:49 PM.
|Jul 31st, 2012, 5:50:28 PM||#2|
into the new world
Join Date: Nov 2011
Nice team, HiImGrey. A first change I would recommend is Toxic over Earth Power on Heatran. Earth Power doesn't hit hard without any special attack investment, and Toxic is incredibly useful to deal with opponents like CM Latias, whom you would now be able to toxic stall. I'd also go with Roar over Dragon Pulse, in order to prevent opponents from setting up on Heatran, like Substitute Hydreigon. While you do lose the ability to hit Kingdra, you won't want to leave Heatran in against Kingdra anyways. Physical variants are easily countered by your Skarmory, while Gastrodon can tank a Draco Meteor, then use Recover to get its health back, in addition to being immune to Hydro Pump / Surf. Another change I would suggest is Earthquake over Earth Power on Gastrodon, and a Sassy Nature instead of a Calm Nature. These changes prevent Earthquake's power from being weakened, and Earthquake is useful because it is stronger than Earth Power and lets you get past Specially Defensive variants of Heatran. It also hits Tyranitar harder. I don't have anything else to add - cool team, and good luck! Hope I helped.
|Jul 31st, 2012, 6:27:10 PM||#3|
Join Date: Aug 2010
|Jul 31st, 2012, 6:56:37 PM||#4|
Join Date: Dec 2010
I would actually recommend keeping Earth Power due to Storm Drain and Gastrodon's higher base SpA as compared to his normal Atk. (92 vs 83). Also, In the case that Gastrodon gets burned, you're going to be glad he kept the Earth Power.
However, as Expert Physics pointed out, EQ does hit T-tar a lot harder, so if they're a concern, I guess you could keep EQ.
Another thing I woudl eb careful about is a ground weakness. 4/6 of your team members are hit for SE damage by ground type moves. With EQ being the most commonly distributed move in teh game, this probably isn't the best idea.
To remedy this, you could easily slap an Air Balloon on your Heatran, or replacing Tentacruel with Starmie. Starmie easily counters Gengar and Jellicent with type coverage, and can still counter rain teams by taking advantage of the boost to its hydro pump. You do lose a bit of bulk on the defensive side though.
Hope this helped!
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|Aug 1st, 2012, 2:02:26 PM||#5|
Join Date: Mar 2012
Where the ocean bleeds into the sky
First of all,Where Is That Stealth Rock?Stealth rock is a very useful move and the best entry Hazard.Also,Bulky Tran's job is not attacking but supporting and walling.So I suggest u replace your current Heatran set with the one Expert Physics suggested except with Stealth Rock over Roar/Protect.
Next,there are some mistakes with your threatlist.Scarf Terra outspeeds Dnite after a DD which is good for u.But u say Skarmory walls Terrakion.Skarmory does not wall Terrakion,+2 Close Combat with LO OHKOs after sturdy is broken (hello Stealth Rock),CB Close Combet easily 2HKOs meaning u can wall only Scarf Varients.Mixed TTar with fire blast is common and can finish of skarm...Just pointing out.
|Aug 1st, 2012, 2:07:51 PM||#6|
Join Date: Jan 2012
This is a neat team you have here, a solid defensive core with Rapid Spin and hazards support, which can easily wear opposing mons down into KO range for Tyranitar and Terrakion. One thing I have noticed is the weakness to Breloom, as it has no trouble putting things to sleep on your team, while being able to deal with the two biggest threats on your team with Mach Punch. Breloom also appears quite troublesome for your defensive core, as it outspeeds and uses it's dual STAB to dispose of Heatran and Gastrodon. Even Skarmory does not want to switch in fearing a possible Spore, and potentially being crippled for the rest of the match. To help with this problem, I would recommend that you try out a Specially Defensive Amoonguss over your current Gastrodon. Even when not invested in defense, Amoonguss still serves as a great answer to Breloom. Amoonguss resists both of Breloom's STAB options, while being able to provide you with helpful status, arguably more important than Gastrodon's status. You can also cripple things with Spore / Stun Spore, as well as being able to check Dragons and Keldeo more reliably, which are all big threats in the current metagame. Adding Amoonguss completes your teams FWG core, making up for the loss of Gastrodon. It's also good to mention that Amoonguss performs great against Rain teams, just like Gastrodon. The only real merit Gastrodon has over Amoonguss is reliable recovery, which shouldn't be too much trouble with Amoonguss's Regenerator, and Tentacruel's Rapid Spin support.
I have also noticed that you seem a little weak to some variants of Jirachi. Specially Defensive variants commonly used in Rain can spread paralysis around your team, crippling your sweepers Tyranitar and Terrakion. Even against Sub Calm Mind variants, your only answer is Gastrodon, who also seems to be your main answer against Rain. Having so much reliance on one Pokemon to deal with Rain can be annoying. To help with this, I recommend that you try out Earthquake > Zen Headbutt on Terrakion. While Zen Headbutt is nice for hitting opposing fighting types, Earthquake will help you a lot more against variants of Jirachi, stopping it spreading paralysis around your team. By dropping Zen Headbutt, the only thing you hit considerably harder is Toxicroak, who is easily dispatched of by Earthquake.
Cool team, hope I helped!