(UU) Hyper Offensive Smash

fatsnorlax · Aug 9th, 2012, 1:42:30 PM

Hyper Offensive Smash

I honestly don’t know why I decided to come down to UU… so don’t ask. That being said, I am enjoying UU quite a bit. No weather…. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh… so refreshing, as I normally play OU and Ubers, and am plagued with constant weather. UU is a fun diverse metagame, and I’ve decided to come back to it for a bit.

Team Building

At a Glance

In Depth

Mienshao @ Life Orb
Naive
Regenerator
4hp/252atk/252spd
-Hi Jump Kick
-U-Turn
-Stone Edge
-Hidden Power [Ice]

Mienshao is a newcomer to UU, and is a welcome addition in my opinion. Mienshao’s high speed and attack, regenerator, and access to U-Turn make it one of the best tempo controllers one could dream of. It is a capable battery ram, and I frequently use it as such.

The movest is fairly straightforward:
Hi Jump Kick: Hi Jump kick is Mienshao’s main STAB, and it wrecks a lot of stuff. It misses sometimes, which sucks, but that is eased a bit by Regenerator.
U-Turn: U-Turn is fantastic at keeping up momentum as it takes Mienshao out of tough matchups like Claydol and Nidoking and replaces it with the bane of their existence.
Stone Edge: Stone Edge gives nearly unresisted coverage with HJK, allowing Mienshao to kill a lot of stuff like Victini, Chandelure, Frosslass, and Togekiss that HJK doesn’t kill as efficiently. The only frequent visitors in UU that resist the combination that I can name off of the top of my head are Nidoking, Claydol, Golurk, and Nidoqueen. If I run into those, I’ll just U-Turn into something that can kill them.
Hidden Power [Ice]: HP Ice hits Gligar and Flygon, but mostly Gligar. Gligar is Mienshao's biggest counter, and this takes care of it(:

All in all, Mienshao is a great offensive pivot and battery ram, and is yet to disappoint.

Synergy Checker

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Adamant
Solid Rock
248hp/16atk/244Sdef
-Stealth Rock
-Rock Blast
-Earthquake
-Dragon Tail

Rhyperior ended up coming in over Claydol as it counters/checks more threats and isn’t set up fodder. Rhyperior plays off numerous advantages such as nice bulk, an awesome ability, and a gigaton 140 base attack. Rhyperior is a nice Stealth Rocker and has a potent mixture of offense and defense that allows it to check a lot of the UU Meta. The EVs emphasize this, and also allow it to stand up to the likes of Zapdos and Raikou. Credit goes to PK Gaming for the set.

The movest allows Rhyperior to function as the somewhat antimeta Pokemon it has become:
Stealth Rock: Stealth Rock is the team’s almighty hazard, and considering that Donphan leaving means spinning sucks, is fairly easy to keep up. It helps to ensure KOs and keep control of the switching game.
Rock Blast: Rock Blast breaks subs, sashes, and sturdy all while hitting what it needs to, giving it a niche over Stone Edge.
Earthquake: EQ is Rhyperior’s main STAB and wrecks a lot of stuff. It hits otherwise troublesome threats like Raikou, Darmanitan, and Arcanine. Otherwise, enjoy your 150 BP 100% accurate move with coverage nearly identical to fighting types(:
Dragon Tail: Dragon Tail PHazes to rack up hazard damage, and kills Flygon, which can shred this team should it go unopposed.

Rhyperior has a unique job, and it handles it quite well.

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Empoleon @ Petya Berry
Modest
Torrent
4def/252Satk/252spd
-Substitute
-Surf
-Agility
-Grass Knot

Empoleon came in by virtue of its awesome typing, allowing it to switch in on a lot of the tier. I wanted to run an Agility set, and upon looking through the analysis, found this little gem. Empoleon’s typing allows it to set up easily, resulting in the sought after sweep. Petya Berry is insane… grating +1 Satk if Empoleon dives below 25% health.

The movest is pretty simple:
Substitute: Substitute hides Empoleon from attacks, allowing it to set up. It also get Empoleon closer to that beautiful 25% mark with each activision.
Surf: Surf is Empoleon’s STAB, and does a lot for this set. Surf provides a reliable sweeping tool, and is deadly once Empoleon hits its sweet spot. Just try living through a STAB, torrent boosted, +1 Surf off of a max Satk Empoleon.
Agility: Agility bypasses Empoleon’s poor speed and turns it into a sweeping machine.
Grass Knot: Grass Knot hits the bulky waters that could otherwise tank Empoleon, allowing for a clean sweep.

Empoleon has pleased me a lot, leading to a few nice sweeps.

Synergy Checker

Raikou @ Choice Specs
Rash
Pressure
4hp/252Satk/252spd
-Thunderbolt
-Volt Switch
-Aura Sphere
-Hidden Power [Grass]

Raikou is crazy good in this meta. Even with a neutral nature, positive based 100s are outsped by one point, putting Raikou in an awesome speed tier. Raikou also boasts an enormous Satk stat and STAB Volt-Switch, allowing it to double as a wallbreaker and a momentum keeper.

The movest allows Raikou to steamroll through opposition if it isn’t addressed properly:
Thunderbolt: Thunderbolt is Raikou’s main STAB, and 2HKOs so much of the meta it’s ridiculous.
Volt Switch: Volt Switch lets Raikou scout out the foe’s switch in and put me in a more favorable matchup. I doesn’t see much use, as I usually just dump Thunderbolt on people.
Aura Sphere: Aura Sphere gives Raikou a way to hit steels, most notably Magneton. It also bruises Snorlax and Porygon-2 a fair bit.
Hidden Power [Grass]: HP Grass hits Swampert, Claydol, Rhyperior, and numerous others where it hurts, and can throw a wrench in people’s game plan if their switch is heavily damaged.

Case closed, Raikou is pretty crazy, and is very dependable, easily doing what it needs to.

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Calcs

Crobat @ Choice Band
Jolly
Infiltrator
252atk/4def/252spd

-Brave Bird
-U-Turn
-Super Fang
-Cross Poison

Crobat was here because I wanted a physical attacker capable of putting away the game. Crobat fit perfectly, he’s fast, he’s strong, and he even has some bulk and nice resistances. It is also notable that Infiltrator gets through Dual Screens, smashing Baton Pass teams.

Crobat’s movest allows him to fulfill that role:
Brave Bird: Brave Bird is Crobat’s STAB of choice, doing sizable damage to a lot of the tier. It gives recoil, but Crobat can usually manage.
U-Turn: U-Turn takes Crobat away from unfavorable matchups and replaces him with a counter, keeping momentum on my side.
Super Fang: Super Fang weakens walls, clearing Crobat to get past things he normally couldn’t. It also makes life against Cressilia, Blastoise, Snorlax, Suicune, Swampert, and so many more much easier for the rest of my team.
Cross Poison: Cross Poison gives Crobat a way to kill electric types. That's pretty much its use... I'll usually click Brave Bird and have a field day(:

Crobat does what he needs to: sweeps, and does it well.

Synergy Checker

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Adamant
Thick Fat
80 hp/252atk/176Sdef
-Return
-Pursuit
-Earthquake
-Fire Punch

Last, but certainly not least, is Snorlax. Snorlax is here to use that belly of his as a meatshield to absorb attacks from the likes of Chandelure, Empoleon, and the many other special attackers in the tier, while using his large attack and formidable coverage to take them out.

His movest lets him do just that:
Return: I don’t care too much about paralysis and return has power… 153 power… allowing Snorlax to take out opposition rather quickly.
Pursuit: Yeah guys… Snorlax gets pursuit…. goodbye Chandelure and all your special attacking Pursuit weak friends.
Earthquake: Return and Pursuit can’t hit steels, so EQ is here. EQ gives Snorlax nice coverage, and that’s pretty much its purpose.
Fire Punch: Fire Punch hits Tangrowth, Ferroseed, Bronzong, and anything else the rest of Snorlax’s moves don’t hit.

Snorlax is an awesome bulky attacker… credit to LucarioZoararkZ for the set.

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Acknowledgements

fatsnorlax · Aug 9th, 2012, 1:43:00 PM

Offensive

Defensive

Sorry for no pictures... IMG code means it's not worth it.

Pokemazter · Aug 9th, 2012, 3:32:04 PM

If you're going to use Crobat offensively, I suggest you use Choice Band Crobat instead. It's going to hit harder than what you're currently using, all while retaining the speed of what you run.

Crobat @ Choice Band
Infiltrator / Inner Focus
Jolly / Adamant Nature
252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Brave Bird
- U-Turn
- Cross Poison / Super Fang
- Sleep Talk / Roost

The setup is basically the same of what you're running. Brave Bird is the main STAB attack, dropping a lot of threats that would otherwise mess your team up, such as Heracross, Scrafty or Mienshao. U-Turn provides momentum and gives Crobat a way to mess around with the Dark-types in the tier. Cross Poison and Super Fang are interchangeable, with Cross Poison being used for the Electric-types found in the tier, and Super Fang to halve the HP of Pokemon such as Bronzong, Rhyperior, Magneton, or Registeel. These Pokemon normally lack viable recovery, making it easier for your team to beat them. Sleep Talk is in case Crobat gets put to sleep, and Roost is there for HP recovery purposes. The last slot is as it is simply because of how barren Crobat's movepool is. Steel Wing, Zen Headbutt, Quick Attack, or Pursuit could be used in that last spot, but they don't provide much for Crobat.

Looks like an interesting team. Good luck and have fun with it.

fatsnorlax · Aug 9th, 2012, 4:07:39 PM

Will test the Crobat, thanks(:

DestinyUnknown · Aug 9th, 2012, 7:53:20 PM

Hey,

You have a pretty good team but it seems very weak to Rhyperior, which can easily switch in on Snorlax, Crobat or a predicted Electric move of Raikou, while you lack a pokemon that can switch in on it. Other Ground-type pokemon like Gligar and Choice Scarf Krookodile look extremely dangerous as well, since your only check to them, Crobat, will be worn down easily via Stealth Rock and Brave Bird recoil. The best way to fix this would be using Choice Scarf Rotom-C over Raikou. While Rotom-C isn't as powerful as Raikou, it's got a very convenient typing and ability that allows it to switch more easily, and it packs a strong STAB on Leaf Storm. Rotom-C can also act as a ''catch all'' revenge killer, as it can revenge pokemon such as Choice Scarf Heracross or Dragon Dance Kingdra in case they get out of control.

Rotom-C@Choice Scarf | Levitate
Timid Nature | 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Volt Switch / Leaf Storm / Thunderbolt / Trick

Another thing you should consider is running Hidden Power Ice instead of Drain Punch on Mienshao, as it will allow Mienshao to defeat it's biggest counter, Gligar, which can be very troublesome for your team when it's paired with Snorlax. While you're losing on a 100% accuracy STAB move, Drain Punch is generally too weak to find much use, as it fails to KO pokemon like Porygon2 or Kingdra, and Mienshao can recover HP by switching out anyway.

fatsnorlax · Aug 9th, 2012, 8:17:48 PM

Thanks, I'll consider those(: HP Ice sounds cool, but I'm a little reluctant to run Rotom-C over Raikou. Rhyperior hasn't proven itself to be unstoppable, even if I have to sac a Poke. If it becomes trouble, I'll try Rotom.

Cesterp · Aug 10th, 2012, 2:20:37 AM

Your team seems weak to practically any form of fighting move. 3 weaknesses with Crobat as the only resist doesn't bode well for a team, as Crobat is going to (or at least should) die late as quickly as possible. You'd probably want to replace Snorlax, as its speed is not doing you any favors, and Rhyperior and Empoleon seem much more important to the team. As to what to replace it with, Galvantula and Mismagius are possibly the best options (note- I thought about suggesting Nidoking- but that strains Empoleon with the psychic resist and lets Azelf tear this team to shreds). Galvantula works because it has the extra bug typing to resist ground, which would otherwise become another strain to throw on Crobat. But Mismagius is possibly the best for this team. Levitate takes strain off Crobat for the two ground weaknesses you have, and ghost typing provides you with a second resist of fighting-type moves. Mismagius also provides you with a set-up sweeper in Nasty Plot or possibly Calm Mind (and if you're really feeling it, Charge Beam), something your team surprisingly lacks. I'd suggest a Nasty Plot set, due to the fact that it has horrid defense and might fall over to any given physical attack, so a suggestion set would be-

Mismagius @ Life Orb
Levitate
Modest Nature
4HP/252SpAtk/252Spd
Nasty Plot
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power [Fighting]
Sucker Punch

Sucker Punch you might be wondering about, seeing as it's a special sweeper, but surprisingly, Ghost/Fighting coverage covers the entire tier with no resists, and Sucker Punch can be useful against frail but fast enemies that just need some encouragement to faint. You CAN replace Sucker Punch with Charge Beam, Energy Ball, or Tbolt if you find that having Sucker Punch really doesn't/wouldn't help much, and they do help you take on bulky waters much more easily.

As for the Crobat itself, I'm not exactly sure what the person who gave you the set was thinking. Choice Band set with a recovery slot and Super Fang as an option really really doesn't make sense. Super Fang really shouldn't be on any set with a choice band, as it basically provides your opponent with the information that you're switching, but as for what to replace it with- that's a good question. The only other physical moves with coverage in Crobat's movepool are Giga Impact, Zen Headbutt, Facade, and Steel Wing. Facade doesn't make much sense, as if you're actually using it, Crobat is already death fodder. Zen Headbutt only gives you extra super effective coverage against poison types, which can't hit Crobat back (unless they're Nidoking, but you should be U-Turning if you expect a Nidoking switch at any given point in time). This leaves you with Giga Impact and Steel Wing. Both are absolutely horrible moves. Steel Wing gives you a way to hit rock types that otherwise wall this set and any incoming Weaviles, but Giga Impact has style points. Also, they're both horrible options, so it really truly is your opinion, because I don't expect the moveslot to be used too frequently.

fatsnorlax · Aug 10th, 2012, 12:28:31 PM

Mismagius means I have nothing to switch into Chandelure, and I typically beat Fighters to the sweep. Snorlax also takes on Empoleon, Raikou, Azelf, and other big Satkers that could threaten the team.

fatsnorlax · Aug 12th, 2012, 7:52:29 PM

bump

Aug 9th, 2012, 1:42:30 PM	#1
fatsnorlax Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 436 Ravnica	Hyper Offensive Smash Hyper Offensive Smash I honestly don’t know why I decided to come down to UU… so don’t ask. That being said, I am enjoying UU quite a bit. No weather…. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh… so refreshing, as I normally play OU and Ubers, and am plagued with constant weather. UU is a fun diverse metagame, and I’ve decided to come back to it for a bit. Team Building I did some looking around for a nice offensive Pokemon, and found Mienshao. I wanted a Spinner and a Stealth Rocker, so I turned to Claydol. Empoleon provided some nice synergy with Claydol and Mienshao. I wanted a strong special attacker, and Raikou does just that. It also gives me a Volt-Turn core, which is nice. Crobat came in as another strong, fast, physical attacker. Snorlax sponges stuff and helps kill things. I scrapped Claydol for Rhyperior, as it took out more threats and wasn't set up fodder. I also don't need spinning. At a Glance In Depth Mienshao @ Life Orb Naive Regenerator 4hp/252atk/252spd -Hi Jump Kick -U-Turn -Stone Edge -Hidden Power [Ice] Mienshao is a newcomer to UU, and is a welcome addition in my opinion. Mienshao’s high speed and attack, regenerator, and access to U-Turn make it one of the best tempo controllers one could dream of. It is a capable battery ram, and I frequently use it as such. The movest is fairly straightforward: Hi Jump Kick: Hi Jump kick is Mienshao’s main STAB, and it wrecks a lot of stuff. It misses sometimes, which sucks, but that is eased a bit by Regenerator. U-Turn: U-Turn is fantastic at keeping up momentum as it takes Mienshao out of tough matchups like Claydol and Nidoking and replaces it with the bane of their existence. Stone Edge: Stone Edge gives nearly unresisted coverage with HJK, allowing Mienshao to kill a lot of stuff like Victini, Chandelure, Frosslass, and Togekiss that HJK doesn’t kill as efficiently. The only frequent visitors in UU that resist the combination that I can name off of the top of my head are Nidoking, Claydol, Golurk, and Nidoqueen. If I run into those, I’ll just U-Turn into something that can kill them. Hidden Power [Ice]: HP Ice hits Gligar and Flygon, but mostly Gligar. Gligar is Mienshao's biggest counter, and this takes care of it(: All in all, Mienshao is a great offensive pivot and battery ram, and is yet to disappoint. Synergy Checker Psychic: Empoleon Flying: Rhyperior, Empoleon, Raikou Rhyperior @ Leftovers Adamant Solid Rock 248hp/16atk/244Sdef -Stealth Rock -Rock Blast -Earthquake -Dragon Tail Rhyperior ended up coming in over Claydol as it counters/checks more threats and isn’t set up fodder. Rhyperior plays off numerous advantages such as nice bulk, an awesome ability, and a gigaton 140 base attack. Rhyperior is a nice Stealth Rocker and has a potent mixture of offense and defense that allows it to check a lot of the UU Meta. The EVs emphasize this, and also allow it to stand up to the likes of Zapdos and Raikou. Credit goes to PK Gaming for the set. The movest allows Rhyperior to function as the somewhat antimeta Pokemon it has become: Stealth Rock: Stealth Rock is the team’s almighty hazard, and considering that Donphan leaving means spinning sucks, is fairly easy to keep up. It helps to ensure KOs and keep control of the switching game. Rock Blast: Rock Blast breaks subs, sashes, and sturdy all while hitting what it needs to, giving it a niche over Stone Edge. Earthquake: EQ is Rhyperior’s main STAB and wrecks a lot of stuff. It hits otherwise troublesome threats like Raikou, Darmanitan, and Arcanine. Otherwise, enjoy your 150 BP 100% accurate move with coverage nearly identical to fighting types(: Dragon Tail: Dragon Tail PHazes to rack up hazard damage, and kills Flygon, which can shred this team should it go unopposed. Rhyperior has a unique job, and it handles it quite well. Synergy Checker Grass: Crobat Ice: Empoleon, Snorlax Water: Empoleon Ground: Crobat Fighting: Crobat Steel: Empoleon, Raikou Empoleon @ Petya Berry Modest Torrent 4def/252Satk/252spd -Substitute -Surf -Agility -Grass Knot Empoleon came in by virtue of its awesome typing, allowing it to switch in on a lot of the tier. I wanted to run an Agility set, and upon looking through the analysis, found this little gem. Empoleon’s typing allows it to set up easily, resulting in the sought after sweep. Petya Berry is insane… grating +1 Satk if Empoleon dives below 25% health. The movest is pretty simple: Substitute: Substitute hides Empoleon from attacks, allowing it to set up. It also get Empoleon closer to that beautiful 25% mark with each activision. Surf: Surf is Empoleon’s STAB, and does a lot for this set. Surf provides a reliable sweeping tool, and is deadly once Empoleon hits its sweet spot. Just try living through a STAB, torrent boosted, +1 Surf off of a max Satk Empoleon. Agility: Agility bypasses Empoleon’s poor speed and turns it into a sweeping machine. Grass Knot: Grass Knot hits the bulky waters that could otherwise tank Empoleon, allowing for a clean sweep. Empoleon has pleased me a lot, leading to a few nice sweeps. Synergy Checker Electric: Raikou, Rhyperior Fighting: Crobat Ground: Crobat Raikou @ Choice Specs Rash Pressure 4hp/252Satk/252spd -Thunderbolt -Volt Switch -Aura Sphere -Hidden Power [Grass] Raikou is crazy good in this meta. Even with a neutral nature, positive based 100s are outsped by one point, putting Raikou in an awesome speed tier. Raikou also boasts an enormous Satk stat and STAB Volt-Switch, allowing it to double as a wallbreaker and a momentum keeper. The movest allows Raikou to steamroll through opposition if it isn’t addressed properly: Thunderbolt: Thunderbolt is Raikou’s main STAB, and 2HKOs so much of the meta it’s ridiculous. Volt Switch: Volt Switch lets Raikou scout out the foe’s switch in and put me in a more favorable matchup. I doesn’t see much use, as I usually just dump Thunderbolt on people. Aura Sphere: Aura Sphere gives Raikou a way to hit steels, most notably Magneton. It also bruises Snorlax and Porygon-2 a fair bit. Hidden Power [Grass]: HP Grass hits Swampert, Claydol, Rhyperior, and numerous others where it hurts, and can throw a wrench in people’s game plan if their switch is heavily damaged. Case closed, Raikou is pretty crazy, and is very dependable, easily doing what it needs to. Synergy Checker Ground: Crobat Calcs 252SpAtk Choice Specs Raikou (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 252HP/252SpDef Leftovers Light Metal Registeel (+SpDef): 34% - 41% (127 - 150 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 252SpAtk Choice Specs Raikou (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 252HP/0SpDef Leftovers Machamp(Neutral): 69% - 82% (268 - 316 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 252SpAtk Choice Specs Raikou (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 252HP/252SpDef LeftoversCofagrigus (+SpDef): 50% - 60% (163 - 193 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 252SpAtk Choice Specs Raikou (+SAtk) Hidden Power (Grass) vs 252HP/0SpDef Leftovers Solid Rock Rhyperior (Neutral): 128% - 151% (558 - 657 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. 52SpAtk Choice Specs Raikou (+SAtk) Aura Sphere vs 252HP/0SpDef Leftovers Thick Fat Snorlax (Neutral): 51% - 61% (272 - 322 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. Crobat @ Choice Band Jolly Infiltrator 252atk/4def/252spd -Brave Bird -U-Turn -Super Fang -Cross Poison Crobat was here because I wanted a physical attacker capable of putting away the game. Crobat fit perfectly, he’s fast, he’s strong, and he even has some bulk and nice resistances. It is also notable that Infiltrator gets through Dual Screens, smashing Baton Pass teams. Crobat’s movest allows him to fulfill that role: Brave Bird: Brave Bird is Crobat’s STAB of choice, doing sizable damage to a lot of the tier. It gives recoil, but Crobat can usually manage. U-Turn: U-Turn takes Crobat away from unfavorable matchups and replaces him with a counter, keeping momentum on my side. Super Fang: Super Fang weakens walls, clearing Crobat to get past things he normally couldn’t. It also makes life against Cressilia, Blastoise, Snorlax, Suicune, Swampert, and so many more much easier for the rest of my team. Cross Poison: Cross Poison gives Crobat a way to kill electric types. That's pretty much its use... I'll usually click Brave Bird and have a field day(: Crobat does what he needs to: sweeps, and does it well. Synergy Checker Psychic: Empoleon Rock: Empoleon, Rhyperior, Mienshao Ice: Empoleon, Snorlax Electric: Raikou, Rhyperior Snorlax @ Leftovers Adamant Thick Fat 80 hp/252atk/176Sdef -Return -Pursuit -Earthquake -Fire Punch Last, but certainly not least, is Snorlax. Snorlax is here to use that belly of his as a meatshield to absorb attacks from the likes of Chandelure, Empoleon, and the many other special attackers in the tier, while using his large attack and formidable coverage to take them out. His movest lets him do just that: Return: I don’t care too much about paralysis and return has power… 153 power… allowing Snorlax to take out opposition rather quickly. Pursuit: Yeah guys… Snorlax gets pursuit…. goodbye Chandelure and all your special attacking Pursuit weak friends. Earthquake: Return and Pursuit can’t hit steels, so EQ is here. EQ gives Snorlax nice coverage, and that’s pretty much its purpose. Fire Punch: Fire Punch hits Tangrowth, Ferroseed, Bronzong, and anything else the rest of Snorlax’s moves don’t hit. Snorlax is an awesome bulky attacker… credit to LucarioZoararkZ for the set. Synergy Checker Fighting: Crobat Acknowledgements -PK Gaming and LucarioZoararkZ for sets on Rhyperior and Snorlax (I did some browsing) -Virtuadopt and Yahoo Images for pictures -Pokemonelite2000.com for sprites -Pokemazter for requesting Choice Band Crobat -DestinyUnknown for the suggestion of HP Ice on Mienshao __________________ In due time, you will realize that this is the single most brilliant sig you have or ever will read. Last edited by fatsnorlax; Aug 9th, 2012 at 8:34:10 PM.

Aug 9th, 2012, 1:43:00 PM	#2
fatsnorlax Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 436 Ravnica	Offensive -Aerodactyl -Ambipom -Arcanine -Azelf -Azumarill -Bisharp -Chandelure -Cobalion -Crobat -Darmanitan -Durant -Escavalier -Flygon -Froslass -Gallade -Golurk -Gorebyss -Heracross -Honchkrow -Houndoom -Kingdra -Krookodile -Lilligant -Machamp -Mew -Mienshao -Mismagius -Moltres -Nidoking -Ninjask -Omastar -Porygon-Z -Raikou -Rhyperior -Rotom-C -Rotom-H -Sceptile -Scrafty -Scyther -Sharpedo -Shaymin -Sigilyph -Smeargle -Snorlax -Stoutland -Suicune -Togekiss -Venomoth -Victini -Weavile -Yanmega -Zapdos -Zoroark Defensive -Blastoise -Bronzong -Claydol -Clefable -Cresselia -Cryogonal -Dusclops -Dusknoir -Empoleon -Ferroseed -Gligar -Hippopotas -Hitmontop -Milotic -Nidoqueen -Porygon2 -Qwilfish -Registeel -Roserade -Sableye -Slowbro -Spiritomb -Swampert -Tangrowth -Umbreon -Uxie -Whimsicott -Xatu Sorry for no pictures... IMG code means it's not worth it. __________________ In due time, you will realize that this is the single most brilliant sig you have or ever will read. Last edited by fatsnorlax; Aug 9th, 2012 at 1:56:00 PM.

Aug 9th, 2012, 4:07:39 PM	#4
fatsnorlax Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 436 Ravnica	Will test the Crobat, thanks(: __________________ In due time, you will realize that this is the single most brilliant sig you have or ever will read.

Aug 9th, 2012, 7:53:20 PM	#5
DestinyUnknown Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,099 Spain	Hey, You have a pretty good team but it seems very weak to Rhyperior, which can easily switch in on Snorlax, Crobat or a predicted Electric move of Raikou, while you lack a pokemon that can switch in on it. Other Ground-type pokemon like Gligar and Choice Scarf Krookodile look extremely dangerous as well, since your only check to them, Crobat, will be worn down easily via Stealth Rock and Brave Bird recoil. The best way to fix this would be using Choice Scarf Rotom-C over Raikou. While Rotom-C isn't as powerful as Raikou, it's got a very convenient typing and ability that allows it to switch more easily, and it packs a strong STAB on Leaf Storm. Rotom-C can also act as a ''catch all'' revenge killer, as it can revenge pokemon such as Choice Scarf Heracross or Dragon Dance Kingdra in case they get out of control. Rotom-C@Choice Scarf \| Levitate Timid Nature \| 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Volt Switch / Leaf Storm / Thunderbolt / Trick Another thing you should consider is running Hidden Power Ice instead of Drain Punch on Mienshao, as it will allow Mienshao to defeat it's biggest counter, Gligar, which can be very troublesome for your team when it's paired with Snorlax. While you're losing on a 100% accuracy STAB move, Drain Punch is generally too weak to find much use, as it fails to KO pokemon like Porygon2 or Kingdra, and Mienshao can recover HP by switching out anyway. __________________

Aug 9th, 2012, 8:17:48 PM	#6
fatsnorlax Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 436 Ravnica	Thanks, I'll consider those(: HP Ice sounds cool, but I'm a little reluctant to run Rotom-C over Raikou. Rhyperior hasn't proven itself to be unstoppable, even if I have to sac a Poke. If it becomes trouble, I'll try Rotom. __________________ In due time, you will realize that this is the single most brilliant sig you have or ever will read.

Aug 9th, 2012, 3:32:04 PM	#3
Pokemazter 04/01/13 never forget Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 615 Edmonton, AB	If you're going to use Crobat offensively, I suggest you use Choice Band Crobat instead. It's going to hit harder than what you're currently using, all while retaining the speed of what you run. Crobat @ Choice Band Infiltrator / Inner Focus Jolly / Adamant Nature 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe - Brave Bird - U-Turn - Cross Poison / Super Fang - Sleep Talk / Roost The setup is basically the same of what you're running. Brave Bird is the main STAB attack, dropping a lot of threats that would otherwise mess your team up, such as Heracross, Scrafty or Mienshao. U-Turn provides momentum and gives Crobat a way to mess around with the Dark-types in the tier. Cross Poison and Super Fang are interchangeable, with Cross Poison being used for the Electric-types found in the tier, and Super Fang to halve the HP of Pokemon such as Bronzong, Rhyperior, Magneton, or Registeel. These Pokemon normally lack viable recovery, making it easier for your team to beat them. Sleep Talk is in case Crobat gets put to sleep, and Roost is there for HP recovery purposes. The last slot is as it is simply because of how barren Crobat's movepool is. Steel Wing, Zen Headbutt, Quick Attack, or Pursuit could be used in that last spot, but they don't provide much for Crobat. Looks like an interesting team. Good luck and have fun with it.

Aug 10th, 2012, 2:20:37 AM	#7
Cesterp Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 65 East Coast USA	Your team seems weak to practically any form of fighting move. 3 weaknesses with Crobat as the only resist doesn't bode well for a team, as Crobat is going to (or at least should) die late as quickly as possible. You'd probably want to replace Snorlax, as its speed is not doing you any favors, and Rhyperior and Empoleon seem much more important to the team. As to what to replace it with, Galvantula and Mismagius are possibly the best options (note- I thought about suggesting Nidoking- but that strains Empoleon with the psychic resist and lets Azelf tear this team to shreds). Galvantula works because it has the extra bug typing to resist ground, which would otherwise become another strain to throw on Crobat. But Mismagius is possibly the best for this team. Levitate takes strain off Crobat for the two ground weaknesses you have, and ghost typing provides you with a second resist of fighting-type moves. Mismagius also provides you with a set-up sweeper in Nasty Plot or possibly Calm Mind (and if you're really feeling it, Charge Beam), something your team surprisingly lacks. I'd suggest a Nasty Plot set, due to the fact that it has horrid defense and might fall over to any given physical attack, so a suggestion set would be- Mismagius @ Life Orb Levitate Modest Nature 4HP/252SpAtk/252Spd Nasty Plot Shadow Ball Hidden Power [Fighting] Sucker Punch Sucker Punch you might be wondering about, seeing as it's a special sweeper, but surprisingly, Ghost/Fighting coverage covers the entire tier with no resists, and Sucker Punch can be useful against frail but fast enemies that just need some encouragement to faint. You CAN replace Sucker Punch with Charge Beam, Energy Ball, or Tbolt if you find that having Sucker Punch really doesn't/wouldn't help much, and they do help you take on bulky waters much more easily. As for the Crobat itself, I'm not exactly sure what the person who gave you the set was thinking. Choice Band set with a recovery slot and Super Fang as an option really really doesn't make sense. Super Fang really shouldn't be on any set with a choice band, as it basically provides your opponent with the information that you're switching, but as for what to replace it with- that's a good question. The only other physical moves with coverage in Crobat's movepool are Giga Impact, Zen Headbutt, Facade, and Steel Wing. Facade doesn't make much sense, as if you're actually using it, Crobat is already death fodder. Zen Headbutt only gives you extra super effective coverage against poison types, which can't hit Crobat back (unless they're Nidoking, but you should be U-Turning if you expect a Nidoking switch at any given point in time). This leaves you with Giga Impact and Steel Wing. Both are absolutely horrible moves. Steel Wing gives you a way to hit rock types that otherwise wall this set and any incoming Weaviles, but Giga Impact has style points. Also, they're both horrible options, so it really truly is your opinion, because I don't expect the moveslot to be used too frequently.

Aug 10th, 2012, 12:28:31 PM	#8
fatsnorlax Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 436 Ravnica	Mismagius means I have nothing to switch into Chandelure, and I typically beat Fighters to the sweep. Snorlax also takes on Empoleon, Raikou, Azelf, and other big Satkers that could threaten the team. __________________ In due time, you will realize that this is the single most brilliant sig you have or ever will read.

Aug 12th, 2012, 7:52:29 PM	#9
fatsnorlax Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 436 Ravnica	bump __________________ In due time, you will realize that this is the single most brilliant sig you have or ever will read.