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Golden Piloswine · Sep 20th, 2012, 9:47:23 PM

I'm in Trick Room. How does Politoed outspeed a 20 Speed IV, 0 Ev's Marowak?

Pippy · Sep 20th, 2012, 10:13:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Golden Piloswine

I'm in Trick Room. How does Politoed outspeed a 20 Speed IV, 0 Ev's Marowak?

Probably with min speed and an Iron Ball.

**TheMantyke** · Sep 20th, 2012, 10:13:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Golden Piloswine

I'm in Trick Room. How does Politoed outspeed a 20 Speed IV, 0 Ev's Marowak?

The Politoed might be carrying an Iron Ball if you haven't seen Politoed's item activate.

Golden Piloswine · Sep 20th, 2012, 10:30:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TheMantyke

The Politoed might be carrying an Iron Ball if you haven't seen Politoed's item activate.

Ah, I might've overlooked that. Do Politoed usually carry Fling?

Biosci · Sep 20th, 2012, 10:38:29 PM

No, no they don't

**voodoo pimp** · Sep 20th, 2012, 11:18:52 PM

They don't, but some people run Iron Ball on their weather starters to help win the lead matchup against other weathers (since the slowest one activates their ability last).

Golden Piloswine · Sep 21st, 2012, 2:59:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat voodoo pimp

They don't, but some people run Iron Ball on their weather starters to help win the lead matchup against other weathers (since the slowest one activates their ability last).

I did'nt know this. I thought it was based on who punched their team in last during the team preview.

**Solace*** · Sep 21st, 2012, 3:54:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Golden Piloswine

I did'nt know this. I thought it was based on who punched their team in last during the team preview.

lol not at all.. that's certainly not the mechanic. Weather activation is controlled by speed, so weather users tend to use a lower speed IV.

Golden Piloswine · Sep 21st, 2012, 6:33:36 PM

I know that Ninetales is the only not Uber Drought, (besides Vulpix) but would'nt Politoed, T-Tar, and Hippodown have the advantage since they have significantly lower speeds. So in that case is Sun bad to use?

**TheMantyke** · Sep 21st, 2012, 6:47:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Golden Piloswine

I know that Ninetales is the only not Uber Drought, (besides Vulpix) but would'nt Politoed, T-Tar, and Hippodown have the advantage since they have significantly lower speeds. So in that case is Sun bad to use?

Sun has a number of issues to surmount and outspeed enemy weather inducers is one of them. A good sun team can be made, but oftentimes Ninetales will have to be played differently from a Politoed. Sometimes, it will sit in the back waiting for your opponent to switch in their weather inducer. Other teams might give Ninetales an Iron Ball to nearly guarantee their sun turn one.

Burgba · Sep 21st, 2012, 7:52:01 PM

Although its very risky is using entry hazards and phasers in doubles viable. Being able to set them up and successfully phazing is hard enough but if you were able to pull it off, would it do any good?

**Solace*** · Sep 21st, 2012, 8:27:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Burgba

Although its very risky is using entry hazards and phasers in doubles viable. Being able to set them up and successfully phazing is hard enough but if you were able to pull it off, would it do any good?

It might, but with negative priority from phaze moves and the turn spent setting up hazards, you end up in a pretty bad position to take hits in exchange for negligible damage.

**voodoo pimp** · Sep 21st, 2012, 8:40:09 PM

Pretty much the only hazard I can see working at all is Toxic Spikes. Since the concept of checks and counters doesn't really exist like singles, and healing is difficult, you can't force many switches so you'd have to actively use the hazards, and the damage that Spikes/SR can do per turn is less than your typical bulky attacker will be doing with direct damage.

Sprocket · Sep 21st, 2012, 10:24:57 PM

Stealth Rocks or one layer of Toxic Spikes is about as good as you can reasonably get in VGC due to how fast paced it is. If it's a typical VGC battle with no switches from your opponent (or one or two due to a terrible lead matchup), you'll at most hit two Pokemon out of 4 with Rocks/Spikes. You would have been better off hitting with a status move like Toxic, Thunder Wave, or Will-O-Wisp instead. Also, you'll often do more damage just attacking outright than using Stealth Rocks.

VGC battles are done in 15 minutes; it's rare for it to last more than 10 rounds. A lot of common Pokemon seen in VGC are immune to Toxic Spikes anyhow (Cresselia, Metagross, Zapdos, Scizor, the genies, Rotom, most Dragons except Garchomp and Haxorus), and most just shrug off Stealth Rocks; I can't think of many situations where even 25% damage from rocks will net a KO that you'd otherwise miss. Pokemon hit 50% by rocks are virtually non-existent in VGC.

LEgo · Sep 22nd, 2012, 11:55:31 AM

Is tornadus-T allowed in the october regionals? or is it just like vgc 2012 where you can't use it?

**Solace*** · Sep 22nd, 2012, 11:58:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat LEgo

Is tornadus-T allowed in the october regionals? or is it just like vgc 2012 where you can't use it?

October Regionals won't allow Tornadus-T or anything from Pokemon BW2.

Golden Piloswine · Sep 22nd, 2012, 12:07:34 PM

Has Pokemon.com even posted the rules, for October? I know there the same and everything, but they should give some sort of notification.

LudiImpact · Sep 22nd, 2012, 1:00:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Branny00

No, they have not posted the rules as of now.

idk what pokemon.com you're looking at. http://www.pokemon.com/us/play-pokem...championships/

What Is the Tournament Format?
The Autumn Regional series will allow use of only Pokémon Black Version, or Pokémon White Version DS Cartridges, and will be run using Age Modified Swiss (single game) pairings and a cut to a Top 8 (attendance allowing) single elimination finals. Single elimination finals will be run as best 2 out of 3.
The Video Game Tournament format document, which contains details about Team construction rules and a list of Pokémon that cannot be used in competitive play, can be found here.

**voodoo pimp** · Sep 22nd, 2012, 3:33:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat LEgo

Is tornadus-T allowed in the october regionals? or is it just like vgc 2012 where you can't use it?

Additionally, the regionals are still using BW1 carts, so it would be impossible to use Tornadus-T even if it weren't banned.

Golden Piloswine · Sep 22nd, 2012, 4:07:53 PM

Are the January/April Regionals for sure gonna be different rules than October?

**voodoo pimp** · Sep 22nd, 2012, 4:12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Golden Piloswine

Are the January/April Regionals for sure gonna be different rules than October?

We don't know what the rules will be, but they will almost certainly at least include the BW2 changes since the games will have been out for more than a week by then.

Szymoninho · Sep 22nd, 2012, 4:58:04 PM

hey, I've got a question about the game mechanics: is the STAB moves' power still increased after you've been Soaked?

**voodoo pimp** · Sep 22nd, 2012, 5:02:05 PM

Soak will give you STAB on Water attacks, and you will lose STAB on your previous type(s).

Golden Piloswine · Sep 22nd, 2012, 6:22:07 PM

I have a question about damage modification. If I have a Discharge Zapdos, with Electric Gem, Helping Hand boosted, in a double battle, what will the output be?

**R Inanimate** · Sep 22nd, 2012, 6:26:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Golden Piloswine

I have a question about damage modification. If I have a Discharge Zapdos, with Electric Gem, Helping Hand boosted, in a double battle, what will the output be?

All those modifiers are multiplicative, so you just multiply Discharge's power by each modification

Discharge = 80 power
Multi-targetted: x0.75
Helping Hand: x1.5
Electric Gem: x1.5

80*.75*1.5*1.5= 135 power
So roughly a boost of 1.7 times a full power Discharge.

Sep 20th, 2012, 9:47:23 PM	#276
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Sep 20th, 2012, 11:18:52 PM	#281
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Golden Piloswine Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 428 Pittsburgh	I know that Ninetales is the only not Uber Drought, (besides Vulpix) but would'nt Politoed, T-Tar, and Hippodown have the advantage since they have significantly lower speeds. So in that case is Sun bad to use? __________________ How do-you feel -about chocolate? Originally Posted by Fat jumpluff Also, I love chocolate... My "The Smog" Article \| ✞ I am proud to be close with Jesus Christ ✞

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Sep 21st, 2012, 8:40:09 PM	#288
voodoo pimp Apply directly to the forehead Moderator Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,977	Pretty much the only hazard I can see working at all is Toxic Spikes. Since the concept of checks and counters doesn't really exist like singles, and healing is difficult, you can't force many switches so you'd have to actively use the hazards, and the damage that Spikes/SR can do per turn is less than your typical bulky attacker will be doing with direct damage. __________________ Check out Smogon's new Doubles metagame! White FC: 4126-4421-4056 Black 2 FC: 3311-0920-4475 My Pokécheck Pokémon RNG is kind of like firing a gun. Why shoot blindly in every direction until you're lucky enough to hit the target when you can just take the time to aim properly and hit it with one shot?

Sep 21st, 2012, 10:24:57 PM	#289
Sprocket Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,494 Phoenix, AZ	Stealth Rocks or one layer of Toxic Spikes is about as good as you can reasonably get in VGC due to how fast paced it is. If it's a typical VGC battle with no switches from your opponent (or one or two due to a terrible lead matchup), you'll at most hit two Pokemon out of 4 with Rocks/Spikes. You would have been better off hitting with a status move like Toxic, Thunder Wave, or Will-O-Wisp instead. Also, you'll often do more damage just attacking outright than using Stealth Rocks. VGC battles are done in 15 minutes; it's rare for it to last more than 10 rounds. A lot of common Pokemon seen in VGC are immune to Toxic Spikes anyhow (Cresselia, Metagross, Zapdos, Scizor, the genies, Rotom, most Dragons except Garchomp and Haxorus), and most just shrug off Stealth Rocks; I can't think of many situations where even 25% damage from rocks will net a KO that you'd otherwise miss. Pokemon hit 50% by rocks are virtually non-existent in VGC. __________________ Black FC: 2537-3042-2350 VGC2012 Analysis: Slowbro (Uploaded)

Sep 22nd, 2012, 11:55:31 AM	#290
LEgo Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 7 USA	Is tornadus-T allowed in the october regionals? or is it just like vgc 2012 where you can't use it?

Sep 22nd, 2012, 12:07:34 PM	#292
Golden Piloswine Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 428 Pittsburgh	Has Pokemon.com even posted the rules, for October? I know there the same and everything, but they should give some sort of notification. __________________ How do-you feel -about chocolate? Originally Posted by Fat jumpluff Also, I love chocolate... My "The Smog" Article \| ✞ I am proud to be close with Jesus Christ ✞

Sep 22nd, 2012, 4:07:53 PM	#295
Golden Piloswine Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 428 Pittsburgh	Are the January/April Regionals for sure gonna be different rules than October? __________________ How do-you feel -about chocolate? Originally Posted by Fat jumpluff Also, I love chocolate... My "The Smog" Article \| ✞ I am proud to be close with Jesus Christ ✞

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Sep 22nd, 2012, 5:02:05 PM	#298
voodoo pimp Apply directly to the forehead Moderator Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,977	Soak will give you STAB on Water attacks, and you will lose STAB on your previous type(s). __________________ Check out Smogon's new Doubles metagame! White FC: 4126-4421-4056 Black 2 FC: 3311-0920-4475 My Pokécheck Pokémon RNG is kind of like firing a gun. Why shoot blindly in every direction until you're lucky enough to hit the target when you can just take the time to aim properly and hit it with one shot?

Sep 22nd, 2012, 6:22:07 PM	#299
Golden Piloswine Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 428 Pittsburgh	I have a question about damage modification. If I have a Discharge Zapdos, with Electric Gem, Helping Hand boosted, in a double battle, what will the output be? __________________ How do-you feel -about chocolate? Originally Posted by Fat jumpluff Also, I love chocolate... My "The Smog" Article \| ✞ I am proud to be close with Jesus Christ ✞