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Join Date: Oct 2012
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Standard Ubers
Changes from January - Rated Ubers
1850 Stats
Differences between 1850 and Standard
Lead Usage - Ubers
Metagame Analysis - Ubers
Thanks to Antar for these stats Last edited by Furai; Mar 2nd, 2013 at 9:38:24 AM. |
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Join Date: May 2010
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| 75 | Shedinja | 0.78418% | 765 | 0.922% | 571 | 0.862% |
| 157 | Magikarp | 0.11029% | 228 | 0.275% | 171 | 0.258% | | 361 | Mandibuzz | 0.00949% | 13 | 0.016% | 10 | 0.015% | Come one, Mandibuzz isn't THAT bad to be used 10% as much as Magikarp... What else? Giratina-O is going really strong, as is Genesect. I approve wholeheartedly. Some rain beneficiaries had some dips in usage, possibly because of the popularity of other rain mons like Kabutops and Tentacruel, nothing too spectacular. Charizard at #99, used less than Whimsicott or Arceus-Ice. I am so proud of you people! :') |
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Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 272
np: No Sleep Until Pass
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| 32 | Kabutops | 4.41131% | 2976 | 3.588% | 1950 | 2.945% |
YES Probably one of the best usage stats yet... | 23 | Latios | 8.85890% | 6510 | 7.849% | 4835 | 7.303% | | 24 | Latias | 7.89827% | 5711 | 6.885% | 4446 | 6.716%| | 16 | Latios | 13.81469% | 6510 | 7.849% | 4835 | 7.303% | | 21 | Latias | 10.72377% | 5711 | 6.885% | 4446 | 6.716% | Wait WHAT |
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Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 349
Orange County, New York
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I'm glad Kabutops is going up in usage because it's honestly such a good Pokemon in his metagame. For once it's actually close to actual Ubers.
Besides that, not much to say. I think Genesect is going to be seen increasingly in the coming months, people are realizing that it's a damn good Pokemon. |
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 146
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| 9 | Dialga | 18.12105% | 13920 | 16.782% | 11611 | 17.538% |
I like the all-out attacking SR lead with Thunder, Fire Blast, and Draco Meteor. It can often set up SR and kill an opposing lead. Keep it away from Deoxys-S though. Anything Dialga tries to do can work, due to its high stats and good typing. | 10 | Rayquaza | 17.70580% | 14729 | 17.758% | 11086 | 16.745% | | 11 | Lugia | 17.57711% | 14322 | 17.267% | 10829 | 16.357% | I am not a fan of these. Lugia hates all status (TWave limits it almost as much as Toxic can in my opinion), Stealth Rock, and isn't threatening on its own. It can parashuffle adequately, but I don't like its other sets. I have already railed on Rayquaza so I won't open that can of worms. | 12 | Giratina-Origin | 17.18305% | 12412 | 14.964% | 9887 | 14.934% | | 16 | Arceus-Ghost | 15.02644% | 10599 | 12.779% | 8222 | 12.419% | | 17 | Giratina | 14.79784% | 11766 | 14.185% | 9226 | 13.936% | My how times have changed. Physically defensive Giratina-O can still check EKiller once and hit it hard with Dragon Tail, ensuring it will not get a chance to set up SD again if hazards are out on the field. Ghostceus is still my favorite though, due to its diversity. | 19 | Kyurem-White | 12.04373% | 9960 | 12.008% | 7346 | 11.096% | I am surprised this isn't used more. A Specs set breaks almost anything it touches, while Scarf outruns base 90 scarfs and still packs great power. | 23 | Latios | 8.85890% | 6510 | 7.849% | 4835 | 7.303% | | 24 | Latias | 7.89827% | 5711 | 6.885% | 4446 | 6.716% | Use these to their strengths. I have seen too many all-out attacking Latias (which hate taking a Specsogre Ice Beam on the switch) and Calm Minding Latios (which is outclassed by her sister due to her higher bulk). Both are great pokemon, but are different in what they bring to the table. | 32 | Kabutops | 4.41131% | 2976 | 3.588% | 1950 | 2.945% | A top 15 pokemon in all of Ubers. I truly believe this. Its speed, coverage, and power in the rain make it brutal late game. It can also loosely check EKiller. | 36 | Tornadus-Therian | 3.14980% | 2977 | 3.589% | 2200 | 3.323% | Seriously? This thing isn't good at all. It has horrible defensive typing, doesn't hit as hard as weather sweepers and cannot run as fast. I know Regenerator makes up for Stealth Rock, but doesn't make up for its poor defensive typing and low bulk. | 51 | Deoxys-Defense | 1.97917% | 2109 | 2.543% | 1920 | 2.900% | Welcome to Ubers! Its high defenses allow it to come in multiple times throughout the battle, ensuring that it is not completely outclassed by Deoxys-S. Needs more usage for teams reliant on entry hazards. | 55 | Omastar | 1.64267% | 1156 | 1.394% | 834 | 1.260% | <3. Reason #1 why 37% of all Ho-Oh use Earthquake. | 59 | Heatran | 1.29529% | 1203 | 1.450% | 999 | 1.509% | Reason #2 why 37% of all Ho-Oh use Earthquake. | 64 | Venusaur | 1.06606% | 1228 | 1.481% | 936 | 1.414% | This much usage? I would think Shiftry would be better due to its better movepool...Venusaur does get Sleep Powder but that tends to miss. | 72 | Abomasnow | 0.93679% | 789 | 0.951% | 715 | 1.080% | Abomasnow isn't good on its own right, but can wall Scarf and TWave Kyogre. It also lets Kyurem-W abuse Blizzard, which hits extremely hard. | 84 | Volcarona | 0.56605% | 931 | 1.122% | 732 | 1.106% | Why this much usage? It doesn't hit all that hard in Ubers, has common weakness and dies to Stealth Rock. | 98 | Bisharp | 0.47318% | 388 | 0.468% | 285 | 0.430% | This was in the 60's last month. Bisharp is so good in a spinblocker and scarf-filled tier. Falling below Alakazam and Metagross is a crime. | 99 | Charizard | 0.45879% | 831 | 1.002% | 677 | 1.023% | | 100 | Gyarados | 0.44634% | 610 | 0.735% | 501 | 0.757% | Almost out of the top 100! | 101 | Liepard | 0.44610% | 371 | 0.447% | 348 | 0.526% | | This is very usable and can effectively shut down entry hazard setters (as can all Prankster mons with Taunt, of course). Thunder Wave, Swagger, and and STAB Foul Play give it cool options to annoy the opponent, then hit it hard. You could also go for a Swagger/Sub leftover set, though in Ubers it really needs Taunt, TWave, and Foul Play. The Sub set is inconsistent. | 113 | Honchkrow | 0.32710% | 351 | 0.423% | 275 | 0.415% | This is underrated. I feel like this needs more usage. STAB Sucker Punch/Night Slash allows this to do fairly well against both offensive and defensive spinblockers. |
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Join Date: Oct 2012
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Animal Crossing: New Leaf :)
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| 11 | Lugia | 17.57711% | 14322 | 17.267% | 10829 | 16.357% |
Meh... still a bit too much usage IMO, but I've used it before, and admittedly, that one game where you manage to completely stall out an unprepared team is REALLY FUN. | 12 | Giratina-Origin | 17.18305% | 12412 | 14.964% | 9887 | 14.934% | | 16 | Arceus-Ghost | 15.02644% | 10599 | 12.779% | 8222 | 12.419% | | 17 | Giratina | 14.79784% | 11766 | 14.185% | 9226 | 13.936% | WOOO HOOO!!! Giratina-O hit the top spot for spinblockers! I honestly love this thing! Bulky as hell and can check the EKiller. | 23 | Latios | 8.85890% | 6510 | 7.849% | 4835 | 7.303% | | 24 | Latias | 7.89827% | 5711 | 6.885% | 4446 | 6.716% | That's interesting. Both are good Pokemon, and I'm glad to see they get the usage they deserve. | 51 | Deoxys-Defense | 1.97917% | 2109 | 2.543% | 1920 | 2.900% | Deoxys-Defense got moved up to Ubers! Just a few years ago, Deo-D was sulking in UU, and now it's Ubers!!! I'd like to see how Deo-D's rise to Ubers will affect its usage/the Uber metagame in general.
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Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 349
Orange County, New York
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I've seen too many teams use a Lugia set of Substitute/Toxic/Dragon Tail/Recover. Granted it's not a terrible set, but you can literally spin away any hazards they have on this Lugia and proceed to set-up your own, Ferrothorn and Forretress walk all over it and people still set it up.
I'm pretty sure a lot of Lugia's current usage comes people liking the Pokemon above all else. |
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 501
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| 87 | Arceus-Poison | 0.54681% | 417 | 0.503% | 336 | 0.508% |
| 88 | Starmie | 0.54312% | 592 | 0.714% | 447 | 0.675% | | 89 | Arceus-Ice | 0.53626% | 525 | 0.633% | 408 | 0.616% | Why is starmie getting higher usage than arceus-ice, and barely lower than Arceus-poison? | 30 | Reshiram | 4.71810% | 4162 | 5.018% | 2992 | 4.519% | | 32 | Kabutops | 4.41131% | 2976 | 3.588% | 1950 | 2.945% | Also, It is good to know that kabutops is getting a lot of usage, but i feel that poor reshiram is at it's last days in ubers. With the introduction of white kyurem, reshiram just hasn't been the same.
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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Join Date: May 2010
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And also yeah having STAB Blue Flares in the sun is what makes Reshiram stand out. This can also let you free up a move that Kyurem-W would normally have to run for coverage. |
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Join Date: Oct 2012
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Also, on dedicated Sun teams, Scarf Reshiram is a boss.
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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Skarmory Sands
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| 28 | Manaphy | 4.82929% | 3949 | 4.761% | 2813 | 4.249% |
Manphy is a horrible pokemon. I don't understand why it is getting so much usage. | 80 | Metagross | 0.63906% | 1090 | 1.314% | 914 | 1.381% | This might sound dumb, but metagross needs more usage. I've used it once, and i was able to beat pokemon like kyurem-w and mewtwo | 83 | Lucario | 0.57639% | 901 | 1.086% | 729 | 1.101% | Lucario is a horrible pokemon and should not be used more than arceus poison/ice | 94 | Alakazam | 0.50088% | 787 | 0.949% | 617 | 0.932% | | 95 | Deoxys | 0.49451% | 594 | 0.716% | 485 | 0.733% | Ehh. Here are pikachu's top five teammates. | Zekrom +11.877% | | Latias +7.067% | | Charizard +6.930% | | Blaziken +6.345% | | Ninjask +6.262% | Charizard's top five teammates: | Venusaur +18.332% | | Dragonite +11.823% | | Espeon +10.904% | | Groudon +10.398% | | Blastoise +9.825% | Well, these two horrible pokemon are getting more usage than arceus-bug and ... Blastiose?
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Join Date: Jan 2011
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| 78 | Heracross | 0.67994% | 677 | 0.816% | 548 | 0.828% |
Well somebody likes pissing on Dialga and Ferrothorn. |
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| 35 | Blissey | 3.42848% | 3363 | 4.055% | 2678 | 4.045% | | 36 | Tornadus-Therian | 3.14980% | 2977 | 3.589% | 2200 | 3.323% | These two aren't THAT good in ubers. I would much rather use skarmory and chansey. Last edited by Magcargo 2; Mar 4th, 2013 at 10:13:28 PM. |
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Yeah, Scarf-sect outspeeds basically everything not named Deoxys other than CS-Darkrai. U-Turn preserves momentum really well, especially with all the psychics in the tier(and Darkrai). And Explosion lets you take out whichever oppt you really need dead. I think the movesets used will change a LOT as people get out of the mindset that got it banned from OU, but the ranking is fairly deserved.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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yes, it's spelt 'potatoes'
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why is darkrai below palkia despite higher usage
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Join Date: Dec 2011
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...Palkia has higher usage than Darkrai.
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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anyway, I'm rather surprised to see darkrai usage as high as it is, especially with Genesect so prevalent. I'm loving how people were talking about how "bad" genesect was going to be in ubers when it's really taken the metagame by storm!
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Join Date: Nov 2012
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Soul Dew Latios really deserves more usage. I've used it and its great.
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Genesect strikes me as a jack of all trades and master of none. It's good as a glue pokemon, but not something you want to build a team around. It's a good revenge killer with a scarf, but so are Palkia and Garchomp who are faster, bulkier, don't rely on Download to do good damage (pokemon with similiar defenses can easily screw Genesect up with careful IV/EV planning, causing it to get the wrong Download boost), have much better STABs and don't have a 4MSS. Non-scarf sets are decent but there are better setup sweepers and wallbreakers in ubers. Finally, its a steel type that can't tank Dragon-type attacks because of its low bulk, which isn't something to be proud of in ubers. You could use another steel-type, but then at least 1/3 of your team is weak to fire, a common attacking type. |
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I disagree, Genesect usage is not going to drop. U-Turn alone is going to keep it up there. It's one of the best moves in the game and when you combine it with a potential download boost you are looking at a mon capable of hitting half the tier with a STAB SE move, with the added benefit of giving your team momentum. Also I wouldn't say Palkia doesn't suffer from 4MSS.
And you guys act like you've never played this tier before. "omg why is starmie used more than an actual uber!" Regardless of where you play half of your matches are going to be OU teams thrown into Ubers because they are using a DW ability or don't know what they're doing etc.
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The Greatest of the Gatsbys
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I'm just a forgotten legend, buried by the sands of time
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I've been trying to use Starmie on this novelty team I made, and it's not THAT bad. Sure it gets fucked pretty hard by the fact that it loses to things like darkrai, but it still outspeeds a good portion of the tier and can hit a lot of things relatively hard with its coverage moves.
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Join Date: Nov 2012
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100 SPA is a joke in Uber even if you hit 2x.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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yes, it's spelt 'potatoes'
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manaphy starts to exist
252SpAtk Life Orb Starmie (Neutral) Ice Beam vs 248HP/8SpDef Giratina (Neutral): 37% - 44% (188 - 226 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. hits standard spinblocker harder than excadrill
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