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Old Mar 1st, 2013, 10:00:18 AM   #1
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Default Ubers Stats - February 2013

Standard Ubers


Changes from January - Rated Ubers


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Differences between 1850 and Standard


Lead Usage - Ubers


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Old Mar 1st, 2013, 1:55:36 PM   #2
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| 75 | Shedinja | 0.78418% | 765 | 0.922% | 571 | 0.862% |
| 157 | Magikarp | 0.11029% | 228 | 0.275% | 171 | 0.258% |
| 361 | Mandibuzz | 0.00949% | 13 | 0.016% | 10 | 0.015% |

Come one, Mandibuzz isn't THAT bad to be used 10% as much as Magikarp...

What else? Giratina-O is going really strong, as is Genesect. I approve wholeheartedly. Some rain beneficiaries had some dips in usage, possibly because of the popularity of other rain mons like Kabutops and Tentacruel, nothing too spectacular. Charizard at #99, used less than Whimsicott or Arceus-Ice. I am so proud of you people! :')
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| 32 | Kabutops | 4.41131% | 2976 | 3.588% | 1950 | 2.945% |

YES

Probably one of the best usage stats yet...

| 23 | Latios | 8.85890% | 6510 | 7.849% | 4835 | 7.303% |
| 24 | Latias | 7.89827% | 5711 | 6.885% | 4446 | 6.716%|

| 16 | Latios | 13.81469% | 6510 | 7.849% | 4835 | 7.303% |
| 21 | Latias | 10.72377% | 5711 | 6.885% | 4446 | 6.716% |

Wait WHAT
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I'm glad Kabutops is going up in usage because it's honestly such a good Pokemon in his metagame. For once it's actually close to actual Ubers.

Besides that, not much to say. I think Genesect is going to be seen increasingly in the coming months, people are realizing that it's a damn good Pokemon.
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| 9 | Dialga | 18.12105% | 13920 | 16.782% | 11611 | 17.538% |

I like the all-out attacking SR lead with Thunder, Fire Blast, and Draco Meteor. It can often set up SR and kill an opposing lead. Keep it away from Deoxys-S though. Anything Dialga tries to do can work, due to its high stats and good typing.

| 10 | Rayquaza | 17.70580% | 14729 | 17.758% | 11086 | 16.745% |
| 11 | Lugia | 17.57711% | 14322 | 17.267% | 10829 | 16.357% |

I am not a fan of these. Lugia hates all status (TWave limits it almost as much as Toxic can in my opinion), Stealth Rock, and isn't threatening on its own. It can parashuffle adequately, but I don't like its other sets. I have already railed on Rayquaza so I won't open that can of worms.

| 12 | Giratina-Origin | 17.18305% | 12412 | 14.964% | 9887 | 14.934% |
| 16 | Arceus-Ghost | 15.02644% | 10599 | 12.779% | 8222 | 12.419% |
| 17 | Giratina | 14.79784% | 11766 | 14.185% | 9226 | 13.936% |

My how times have changed. Physically defensive Giratina-O can still check EKiller once and hit it hard with Dragon Tail, ensuring it will not get a chance to set up SD again if hazards are out on the field. Ghostceus is still my favorite though, due to its diversity.

| 19 | Kyurem-White | 12.04373% | 9960 | 12.008% | 7346 | 11.096% |

I am surprised this isn't used more. A Specs set breaks almost anything it touches, while Scarf outruns base 90 scarfs and still packs great power.

| 23 | Latios | 8.85890% | 6510 | 7.849% | 4835 | 7.303% |
| 24 | Latias | 7.89827% | 5711 | 6.885% | 4446 | 6.716% |

Use these to their strengths. I have seen too many all-out attacking Latias (which hate taking a Specsogre Ice Beam on the switch) and Calm Minding Latios (which is outclassed by her sister due to her higher bulk). Both are great pokemon, but are different in what they bring to the table.

| 32 | Kabutops | 4.41131% | 2976 | 3.588% | 1950 | 2.945% |

A top 15 pokemon in all of Ubers. I truly believe this. Its speed, coverage, and power in the rain make it brutal late game. It can also loosely check EKiller.

| 36 | Tornadus-Therian | 3.14980% | 2977 | 3.589% | 2200 | 3.323% |

Seriously? This thing isn't good at all. It has horrible defensive typing, doesn't hit as hard as weather sweepers and cannot run as fast. I know Regenerator makes up for Stealth Rock, but doesn't make up for its poor defensive typing and low bulk.

| 51 | Deoxys-Defense | 1.97917% | 2109 | 2.543% | 1920 | 2.900% |

Welcome to Ubers! Its high defenses allow it to come in multiple times throughout the battle, ensuring that it is not completely outclassed by Deoxys-S. Needs more usage for teams reliant on entry hazards.

| 55 | Omastar | 1.64267% | 1156 | 1.394% | 834 | 1.260% |

<3. Reason #1 why 37% of all Ho-Oh use Earthquake.

| 59 | Heatran | 1.29529% | 1203 | 1.450% | 999 | 1.509% |

Reason #2 why 37% of all Ho-Oh use Earthquake.

| 64 | Venusaur | 1.06606% | 1228 | 1.481% | 936 | 1.414% |

This much usage? I would think Shiftry would be better due to its better movepool...Venusaur does get Sleep Powder but that tends to miss.

| 72 | Abomasnow | 0.93679% | 789 | 0.951% | 715 | 1.080% |

Abomasnow isn't good on its own right, but can wall Scarf and TWave Kyogre. It also lets Kyurem-W abuse Blizzard, which hits extremely hard.

| 84 | Volcarona | 0.56605% | 931 | 1.122% | 732 | 1.106% |

Why this much usage? It doesn't hit all that hard in Ubers, has common weakness and dies to Stealth Rock.

| 98 | Bisharp | 0.47318% | 388 | 0.468% | 285 | 0.430% |

This was in the 60's last month. Bisharp is so good in a spinblocker and scarf-filled tier. Falling below Alakazam and Metagross is a crime.

| 99 | Charizard | 0.45879% | 831 | 1.002% | 677 | 1.023% |
| 100 | Gyarados | 0.44634% | 610 | 0.735% | 501 | 0.757% |

Almost out of the top 100!

| 101 | Liepard | 0.44610% | 371 | 0.447% | 348 | 0.526% |
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This is very usable and can effectively shut down entry hazard setters (as can all Prankster mons with Taunt, of course). Thunder Wave, Swagger, and and STAB Foul Play give it cool options to annoy the opponent, then hit it hard. You could also go for a Swagger/Sub leftover set, though in Ubers it really needs Taunt, TWave, and Foul Play. The Sub set is inconsistent.

| 113 | Honchkrow | 0.32710% | 351 | 0.423% | 275 | 0.415% |

This is underrated. I feel like this needs more usage. STAB Sucker Punch/Night Slash allows this to do fairly well against both offensive and defensive spinblockers.
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| 11 | Lugia | 17.57711% | 14322 | 17.267% | 10829 | 16.357% |

Meh... still a bit too much usage IMO, but I've used it before, and admittedly, that one game where you manage to completely stall out an unprepared team is REALLY FUN.

| 12 | Giratina-Origin | 17.18305% | 12412 | 14.964% | 9887 | 14.934% |
| 16 | Arceus-Ghost | 15.02644% | 10599 | 12.779% | 8222 | 12.419% |
| 17 | Giratina | 14.79784% | 11766 | 14.185% | 9226 | 13.936% |

WOOO HOOO!!! Giratina-O hit the top spot for spinblockers! I honestly love this thing! Bulky as hell and can check the EKiller.

| 23 | Latios | 8.85890% | 6510 | 7.849% | 4835 | 7.303% |
| 24 | Latias | 7.89827% | 5711 | 6.885% | 4446 | 6.716% |

That's interesting. Both are good Pokemon, and I'm glad to see they get the usage they deserve.

| 51 | Deoxys-Defense | 1.97917% | 2109 | 2.543% | 1920 | 2.900% |

Deoxys-Defense got moved up to Ubers! Just a few years ago, Deo-D was sulking in UU, and now it's Ubers!!! I'd like to see how Deo-D's rise to Ubers will affect its usage/the Uber metagame in general.
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Old Mar 2nd, 2013, 9:24:29 AM   #7
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I've seen too many teams use a Lugia set of Substitute/Toxic/Dragon Tail/Recover. Granted it's not a terrible set, but you can literally spin away any hazards they have on this Lugia and proceed to set-up your own, Ferrothorn and Forretress walk all over it and people still set it up.

I'm pretty sure a lot of Lugia's current usage comes people liking the Pokemon above all else.
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| 87 | Arceus-Poison | 0.54681% | 417 | 0.503% | 336 | 0.508% |
| 88 | Starmie | 0.54312% | 592 | 0.714% | 447 | 0.675% |
| 89 | Arceus-Ice | 0.53626% | 525 | 0.633% | 408 | 0.616% |

Why is starmie getting higher usage than arceus-ice, and barely lower than Arceus-poison?

| 30 | Reshiram | 4.71810% | 4162 | 5.018% | 2992 | 4.519% |
| 32 | Kabutops | 4.41131% | 2976 | 3.588% | 1950 | 2.945% |

Also, It is good to know that kabutops is getting a lot of usage, but i feel that poor reshiram is at it's last days in ubers. With the introduction of white kyurem, reshiram just hasn't been the same.
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| 87 | Arceus-Poison | 0.54681% | 417 | 0.503% | 336 | 0.508% |
| 88 | Starmie | 0.54312% | 592 | 0.714% | 447 | 0.675% |
| 89 | Arceus-Ice | 0.53626% | 525 | 0.633% | 408 | 0.616% |

Why is starmie getting higher usage than arceus-ice, and barely lower than Arceus-poison?

I am equally mystified. Starmie and Magnezone need to stop being used.

| 30 | Reshiram | 4.71810% | 4162 | 5.018% | 2992 | 4.519% |
| 32 | Kabutops | 4.41131% | 2976 | 3.588% | 1950 | 2.945% |

Also, It is good to know that kabutops is getting a lot of usage, but i feel that poor reshiram is at it's last days in ubers. With the introduction of white kyurem, reshiram just hasn't been the same.
Reshiram, while not great, can hit ridiculously hard with Blue Flare in sunlight, torching just about anything that doesn't resist it. That gives it enough separation from Kyurem-W to make it usable. It certainly is not in its last days in Ubers if you are implying that it will drop down to OU...I may have read that wrong though.
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Reshiram, while not great, can hit ridiculously hard with Blue Flare in sunlight, torching just about anything that doesn't resist it. That gives it enough separation from Kyurem-W to make it usable. It certainly is not in its last days in Ubers if you are implying that it will drop down to OU...I may have read that wrong though.
Usage in Ubers doesn't correlate to what's in OU.

And also yeah having STAB Blue Flares in the sun is what makes Reshiram stand out. This can also let you free up a move that Kyurem-W would normally have to run for coverage.
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| 87 | Arceus-Poison | 0.54681% | 417 | 0.503% | 336 | 0.508% |
| 88 | Starmie | 0.54312% | 592 | 0.714% | 447 | 0.675% |
| 89 | Arceus-Ice | 0.53626% | 525 | 0.633% | 408 | 0.616% |

Why is starmie getting higher usage than arceus-ice, and barely lower than Arceus-poison?
Gotta keep in mind though, that Arceus-Ice and Arceus-Poison come at an extremely high opportunity cost, so that's why they have such low usage. As for Starmie and Magnezone, etc., a good portion of their uses are probably just noobs who stack their favorites pokes intending to play OU, but include a legendary that bumps their team to Ubers.

Also, on dedicated Sun teams, Scarf Reshiram is a boss.
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| 28 | Manaphy | 4.82929% | 3949 | 4.761% | 2813 | 4.249% |
Manphy is a horrible pokemon. I don't understand why it is getting so much usage.

| 80 | Metagross | 0.63906% | 1090 | 1.314% | 914 | 1.381% |
This might sound dumb, but metagross needs more usage. I've used it once, and i was able to beat pokemon like kyurem-w and mewtwo

| 83 | Lucario | 0.57639% | 901 | 1.086% | 729 | 1.101% |
Lucario is a horrible pokemon and should not be used more than arceus poison/ice

| 94 | Alakazam | 0.50088% | 787 | 0.949% | 617 | 0.932% |
| 95 | Deoxys | 0.49451% | 594 | 0.716% | 485 | 0.733% |
Ehh.

Here are pikachu's top five teammates.
| Zekrom +11.877% |
| Latias +7.067% |
| Charizard +6.930% |
| Blaziken +6.345% |
| Ninjask +6.262% |

Charizard's top five teammates:

| Venusaur +18.332% |
| Dragonite +11.823% |
| Espeon +10.904% |
| Groudon +10.398% |
| Blastoise +9.825% |
Well, these two horrible pokemon are getting more usage than arceus-bug and ... Blastiose?
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| 78 | Heracross | 0.67994% | 677 | 0.816% | 548 | 0.828% |

Well somebody likes pissing on Dialga and Ferrothorn.
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| 7 | Genesect | 20.29008% | 15024 | 18.113% | 12716 | 19.207% |
This was what surprised me most. Is Genesect really that popular?
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This was what surprised me most. Is Genesect really that popular?
Genesect is actually the best scout in the uber tier and can check pokemon like darkrai thank to its speed after a CS boost.

| 35 | Blissey | 3.42848% | 3363 | 4.055% | 2678 | 4.045% |
| 36 | Tornadus-Therian | 3.14980% | 2977 | 3.589% | 2200 | 3.323% |
These two aren't THAT good in ubers. I would much rather use skarmory and chansey.

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Yeah, Scarf-sect outspeeds basically everything not named Deoxys other than CS-Darkrai. U-Turn preserves momentum really well, especially with all the psychics in the tier(and Darkrai). And Explosion lets you take out whichever oppt you really need dead. I think the movesets used will change a LOT as people get out of the mindset that got it banned from OU, but the ranking is fairly deserved.
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why is darkrai below palkia despite higher usage
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...Palkia has higher usage than Darkrai.
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Now i am thankful Kabutops is going up inside application because it can be truthfully a really excellent Pokemon inside their metagame. Regarding once is in fact near to genuine Ubers.
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I'm glad Kabutops is going up in usage because it's honestly such a good Pokemon in his metagame. For once it's actually close to actual Ubers.
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anyway, I'm rather surprised to see darkrai usage as high as it is, especially with Genesect so prevalent. I'm loving how people were talking about how "bad" genesect was going to be in ubers when it's really taken the metagame by storm!
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Soul Dew Latios really deserves more usage. I've used it and its great.
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I'm loving how people were talking about how "bad" genesect was going to be in ubers when it's really taken the metagame by storm!
It's just a novelty factor; expect its usage to drop soon.
Genesect strikes me as a jack of all trades and master of none. It's good as a glue pokemon, but not something you want to build a team around.

It's a good revenge killer with a scarf, but so are Palkia and Garchomp who are faster, bulkier, don't rely on Download to do good damage (pokemon with similiar defenses can easily screw Genesect up with careful IV/EV planning, causing it to get the wrong Download boost), have much better STABs and don't have a 4MSS.

Non-scarf sets are decent but there are better setup sweepers and wallbreakers in ubers.

Finally, its a steel type that can't tank Dragon-type attacks because of its low bulk, which isn't something to be proud of in ubers.
You could use another steel-type, but then at least 1/3 of your team is weak to fire, a common attacking type.
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I disagree, Genesect usage is not going to drop. U-Turn alone is going to keep it up there. It's one of the best moves in the game and when you combine it with a potential download boost you are looking at a mon capable of hitting half the tier with a STAB SE move, with the added benefit of giving your team momentum. Also I wouldn't say Palkia doesn't suffer from 4MSS.

And you guys act like you've never played this tier before. "omg why is starmie used more than an actual uber!" Regardless of where you play half of your matches are going to be OU teams thrown into Ubers because they are using a DW ability or don't know what they're doing etc.
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I've been trying to use Starmie on this novelty team I made, and it's not THAT bad. Sure it gets fucked pretty hard by the fact that it loses to things like darkrai, but it still outspeeds a good portion of the tier and can hit a lot of things relatively hard with its coverage moves.
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100 SPA is a joke in Uber even if you hit 2x.
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252SpAtk Life Orb Starmie (Neutral) Ice Beam vs 248HP/8SpDef Giratina (Neutral): 37% - 44% (188 - 226 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO.

hits standard spinblocker harder than excadrill
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