A Deadly Freakin Lizard

Dukewarrior13 · Sep 8th, 2012, 9:25:27 AM

I built this team entirely on the speed stat. Hit hard before they hit you. I liked the idea so tada I just through this team together. It actually does fairly decent at winning 65% of the time. I know it cant win 100% of the time; every team has their weaknesses. With just a few touches here and there I believe that this team would be awesome. Though I have to watch out because I might end up with a team of suicide leads. I am open to critism and opinions so give me your opinion because I know you have one! Alright lets get started.

Nature: Jolly
4 Hp/ 252 Att/ 252 Spe
Item: Flying Gem
Ability: Unburden

Acrobatics
Earthquake
Swords Dance
Leaf Blade

This guy is the all star of my team. The ability of surprise is his greatest ally. Nobody expects an earthquake comming from a lizard (especially not heatran). He just switches in on a water type. Gets a swords dance and sweeps. Unburden/Acrobatics combo works magnificantly. It boosts his already superb speed; seriously this guy can already outspeed a jolly fully invested starmie! I really have no complaints for this guy.

Nature: Timid
4 Hp/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Item: Expert Belt
Ability: Natural Cure

Hidden Power Fire
Hydro Pump
Thunder Bolt
Ice Beam

This is Sceptile's right hand man. Whatever he can't get, Starmie could, and vise versa. With excellent coverage he can abuse expert belt like a boss. Hidden Power Fire is there for ferrothorn and other steel types. Hydro Pump hurts like a kick-to-the-balls if the opponent is using rain.

Nature: Jolly
4 Hp/ 252 Att/ 252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Arena Trap

Reversal
Stealth Rock
Earthquake
Stone Edge

So my main sweeper Sceptile is having trouble with steel types. I decided to throught Dugtrio on my team to take care of that. Dugtrio has good synergy with my team and he can do everything heatran could, but do it a little faster. My only problem with him is he cant really do a ridiculious amount of damage (besides reversal).

Nature: Bold
252 Hp/ 4 Def/ 252 SpD
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Prankster

Toxic
Will-o-Wisp
Recover
Foul Play

This guy just screams trololololol. With no weaknesses and prankster... that is just awesome. Nobody expects toxic and will-o-wisp at once. People switch in there Lucarios and Scizors into toxic and think that they are safe. Next thing they know is that their pokemon's attack has been halved. Foul Play catches people off guard and so he is not defensless when he is taunted.

Nature: Timid
4 Hp/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Volt Absorb

Thunderbolt
Signal Beam
Heal Bell
Hidden Power Ice

I am confused at what I should do about this guy. Starmie can do a lot more than him as far as hitting so this guy is really disposable. I think that if I change his moveset he may perform a little better but im not sure what that moveset is. Having the ability to fire off a extremly fast heal bell is nice though.

Nature: Timid
252 Hp/ 4 SpA/ 252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Cursed Body

Ice Beam
Taunt
Spikes
Destiny Bond

This guy is awesome. He just sets up spikes or kills dragons. He can also use destiny bond very well which makes sure that he goes down fighting. This is like the 2nd suicide lead on my team so when ever I win, I barely win. My pokemon are just too fragile. Oh well, I like this guy.

So that is my Team!
Please Share Your Opinions!

Ninetale3 · Sep 8th, 2012, 1:17:25 PM

Hey there pretty cool team.

Since you don't like heatran as a defensive fire, you could try heat rotom in it's place and find another steel. granted it is stealth rock weak but you got starmie anyway. it also resist bolt beam and has weaknesses to only haxorus who has mold breaker earthquake, rock,and water. Scarf would serve you well since the team is around speed.

Chimpakt · Sep 8th, 2012, 3:40:35 PM

I would definitely give Heatran an air balloon to combat Sun teams better. In addition Toxic and Substitute on Sableye are not really effective options, try Will o Wisp and taunt in place of them. It helps break stall and Toxic with Substitute gets you walled by steel types, which is not a good look as Sceptile needs them removed. Also make it Calm as your EV spread is leaning towards being specially defensive and you get a lot more points with Calm than Bold (+22 with Calm + 18 with Bold). With will-o-wisp, your physical defense can be a bit weaker thanks to the attack drops that burn provides.

Lastly, I would replace Jolteon with a Magnezone as Sceptile works extremely well with Skarmory/Ferrothorn/Forretress removed from the game. Magnezone fits the spot that jolteon had pretty well, despite adding in a few more weaknesses.

Episode36 · Sep 8th, 2012, 11:54:53 PM

One thing I would do is get rid of Rapid Spin on Starmie. You are using Expert Belt, this team isn't particularly weak to Stealth Rock, and HP Fire would be particularly useful in downing Pokemon like Scizor and Ferrothorn that think they're safe from harm. This would also help get rid of steel's to help Sableye do his work better. My second suggestion would be as another has said, to give Heatran Air Balloon, which is far more effective on an offensive set than Leftovers. You may want to slip HP Ice onto Jolteon instead of one of the other 3 moves. Shadow Ball and Signal Beam are relatively the same coverage, so choose one or the other. You can use 31 Speed IV's with HP Ice, if that was what you were worried about. Just take 1 IV out of Atk and Def to make it work. Otherwise, pretty nice team. I've used that Sceptile set before, and it works well when opposing priority is gone.

Mdevil · Sep 9th, 2012, 1:10:52 AM

(don't expect great advise from me I have a very different mind than the one this team shows you have) I'm no pro but you are here for opinions so I'll give mine. First off, on Jolteon, I suggest you get rid of signal beam and give it Hp Ice (ground coverage.) You have expressed your distaste with Heatran (I share your opinion) I'm not sure you are exactly looking for a fire type, but for a sun counter, my suggestion, Tf, is Snorlax, seems stupid but thick fat negates the sun boost and snorlax isnt outspeeding chlorophyll users anyway. Sadly this doesn't fit the team but its all I can think of to work with this next poke, Empoleon to replace Sableye. Steel typing grants him the dragon resistance and his beastly bulk coupled with scald for a burn can stop most attackers. Probally not what you are looking for to go with this team but I would take it into consideration... maybe...

Dukewarrior13 · Sep 9th, 2012, 7:56:23 AM

Hey, i havent been on smogon in a while so I havent been able to respond. You guys have some great ideas!

I have changed the set on sableye as along with nearly all of my pokemon. I am very intrested in trying snorlax instead of heatran and I will edit my RMT if it goes well. I have also gave changed the moves on starmie and jolteon. Thank you for youre advice!

Shining Latios · Sep 9th, 2012, 10:41:23 AM

Hi. Cool team you have here. One thing you can try out is using Roar over Hidden Power Ice on Heatran. Another option is using it over Stealth Rock on Heatran and giving Mamoswine Stealth Rock over Stone Edge. Using an Air Balloon over Leftovers is the better choice as well. Roar can prevent Volcarona from sweeping you which is pretty big and Air Balloon keeps you safe from those that carry Hidden Power Ground. Mixed Venusaur demolishes this team so Air Balloon renders Earthquake useless. Calm Mind Reuniclus looks annoying for this team to face. Using Taunt over Toxic on Sableye shuts down the ability for Reuniclus to gain any boosts and is ideal against stall teams. I also think you should change Hidden Power Fire on Starmie back to Rapid Spin since you would not want your Focus Sash on Mamoswine to be broken. That's all I have. Hope I helped and good luck.

Sep 8th, 2012, 9:25:27 AM	#1
Dukewarrior13 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 40	A Deadly Freakin Lizard I built this team entirely on the speed stat. Hit hard before they hit you. I liked the idea so tada I just through this team together. It actually does fairly decent at winning 65% of the time. I know it cant win 100% of the time; every team has their weaknesses. With just a few touches here and there I believe that this team would be awesome. Though I have to watch out because I might end up with a team of suicide leads. I am open to critism and opinions so give me your opinion because I know you have one! Alright lets get started. Nature: Jolly 4 Hp/ 252 Att/ 252 Spe Item: Flying Gem Ability: Unburden Acrobatics Earthquake Swords Dance Leaf Blade This guy is the all star of my team. The ability of surprise is his greatest ally. Nobody expects an earthquake comming from a lizard (especially not heatran). He just switches in on a water type. Gets a swords dance and sweeps. Unburden/Acrobatics combo works magnificantly. It boosts his already superb speed; seriously this guy can already outspeed a jolly fully invested starmie! I really have no complaints for this guy. Nature: Timid 4 Hp/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe Item: Expert Belt Ability: Natural Cure Hidden Power Fire Hydro Pump Thunder Bolt Ice Beam This is Sceptile's right hand man. Whatever he can't get, Starmie could, and vise versa. With excellent coverage he can abuse expert belt like a boss. Hidden Power Fire is there for ferrothorn and other steel types. Hydro Pump hurts like a kick-to-the-balls if the opponent is using rain. Nature: Jolly 4 Hp/ 252 Att/ 252 Spe Item: Focus Sash Ability: Arena Trap Reversal Stealth Rock Earthquake Stone Edge So my main sweeper Sceptile is having trouble with steel types. I decided to throught Dugtrio on my team to take care of that. Dugtrio has good synergy with my team and he can do everything heatran could, but do it a little faster. My only problem with him is he cant really do a ridiculious amount of damage (besides reversal). Nature: Bold 252 Hp/ 4 Def/ 252 SpD Item: Leftovers Ability: Prankster Toxic Will-o-Wisp Recover Foul Play This guy just screams trololololol. With no weaknesses and prankster... that is just awesome. Nobody expects toxic and will-o-wisp at once. People switch in there Lucarios and Scizors into toxic and think that they are safe. Next thing they know is that their pokemon's attack has been halved. Foul Play catches people off guard and so he is not defensless when he is taunted. Nature: Timid 4 Hp/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe Item: Life Orb Ability: Volt Absorb Thunderbolt Signal Beam Heal Bell Hidden Power Ice I am confused at what I should do about this guy. Starmie can do a lot more than him as far as hitting so this guy is really disposable. I think that if I change his moveset he may perform a little better but im not sure what that moveset is. Having the ability to fire off a extremly fast heal bell is nice though. Nature: Timid 252 Hp/ 4 SpA/ 252 Spe Item: Focus Sash Ability: Cursed Body Ice Beam Taunt Spikes Destiny Bond This guy is awesome. He just sets up spikes or kills dragons. He can also use destiny bond very well which makes sure that he goes down fighting. This is like the 2nd suicide lead on my team so when ever I win, I barely win. My pokemon are just too fragile. Oh well, I like this guy. So that is my Team! Please Share Your Opinions! __________________ The Dark Knight Sweeper Last edited by Dukewarrior13; Sep 9th, 2012 at 10:09:13 AM. Reason: Update

Sep 8th, 2012, 3:40:35 PM	#3
Chimpakt Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,295 Cole World!	I would definitely give Heatran an air balloon to combat Sun teams better. In addition Toxic and Substitute on Sableye are not really effective options, try Will o Wisp and taunt in place of them. It helps break stall and Toxic with Substitute gets you walled by steel types, which is not a good look as Sceptile needs them removed. Also make it Calm as your EV spread is leaning towards being specially defensive and you get a lot more points with Calm than Bold (+22 with Calm + 18 with Bold). With will-o-wisp, your physical defense can be a bit weaker thanks to the attack drops that burn provides. Lastly, I would replace Jolteon with a Magnezone as Sceptile works extremely well with Skarmory/Ferrothorn/Forretress removed from the game. Magnezone fits the spot that jolteon had pretty well, despite adding in a few more weaknesses. __________________ My youtube channel [Pokemon Narrations, Let's Plays] VM me for OU/UU rates. wish i could change my username to chimpact :[

Sep 9th, 2012, 1:10:52 AM	#5
Mdevil Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 109 Avatar by Eagle4	(don't expect great advise from me I have a very different mind than the one this team shows you have) I'm no pro but you are here for opinions so I'll give mine. First off, on Jolteon, I suggest you get rid of signal beam and give it Hp Ice (ground coverage.) You have expressed your distaste with Heatran (I share your opinion) I'm not sure you are exactly looking for a fire type, but for a sun counter, my suggestion, Tf, is Snorlax, seems stupid but thick fat negates the sun boost and snorlax isnt outspeeding chlorophyll users anyway. Sadly this doesn't fit the team but its all I can think of to work with this next poke, Empoleon to replace Sableye. Steel typing grants him the dragon resistance and his beastly bulk coupled with scald for a burn can stop most attackers. Probally not what you are looking for to go with this team but I would take it into consideration... maybe... __________________ I want to say I get more stupid everyday, but it would make me stupid to admit that... Irony...

Sep 9th, 2012, 7:56:23 AM	#6
Dukewarrior13 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 40	Hey, i havent been on smogon in a while so I havent been able to respond. You guys have some great ideas! I have changed the set on sableye as along with nearly all of my pokemon. I am very intrested in trying snorlax instead of heatran and I will edit my RMT if it goes well. I have also gave changed the moves on starmie and jolteon. Thank you for youre advice! __________________ The Dark Knight Sweeper

Sep 8th, 2012, 1:17:25 PM	#2
Ninetale3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 122 Minnesota	Hey there pretty cool team. Since you don't like heatran as a defensive fire, you could try heat rotom in it's place and find another steel. granted it is stealth rock weak but you got starmie anyway. it also resist bolt beam and has weaknesses to only haxorus who has mold breaker earthquake, rock,and water. Scarf would serve you well since the team is around speed.

Sep 8th, 2012, 11:54:53 PM	#4
Episode36 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 133	One thing I would do is get rid of Rapid Spin on Starmie. You are using Expert Belt, this team isn't particularly weak to Stealth Rock, and HP Fire would be particularly useful in downing Pokemon like Scizor and Ferrothorn that think they're safe from harm. This would also help get rid of steel's to help Sableye do his work better. My second suggestion would be as another has said, to give Heatran Air Balloon, which is far more effective on an offensive set than Leftovers. You may want to slip HP Ice onto Jolteon instead of one of the other 3 moves. Shadow Ball and Signal Beam are relatively the same coverage, so choose one or the other. You can use 31 Speed IV's with HP Ice, if that was what you were worried about. Just take 1 IV out of Atk and Def to make it work. Otherwise, pretty nice team. I've used that Sceptile set before, and it works well when opposing priority is gone.

Sep 9th, 2012, 10:41:23 AM	#7
Shining Latios Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,311	Hi. Cool team you have here. One thing you can try out is using Roar over Hidden Power Ice on Heatran. Another option is using it over Stealth Rock on Heatran and giving Mamoswine Stealth Rock over Stone Edge. Using an Air Balloon over Leftovers is the better choice as well. Roar can prevent Volcarona from sweeping you which is pretty big and Air Balloon keeps you safe from those that carry Hidden Power Ground. Mixed Venusaur demolishes this team so Air Balloon renders Earthquake useless. Calm Mind Reuniclus looks annoying for this team to face. Using Taunt over Toxic on Sableye shuts down the ability for Reuniclus to gain any boosts and is ideal against stall teams. I also think you should change Hidden Power Fire on Starmie back to Rapid Spin since you would not want your Focus Sash on Mamoswine to be broken. That's all I have. Hope I helped and good luck.