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May 1st, 2013, 12:28:21 PM
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NU Stats - April 2013 (now with 1850 stats!)
wooo zebraiken said i could perhaps because he is still half asleep!
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Moveset Analysis: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5622928/ 1850 Stats
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1850 Stats vs Regular Stats
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Pretty interesting stuff here honestly, given that a lot of mons we expected to shine... well, haven't as much as we predicted. I'm going to post my thoughts later, but hopefully the 1850 stats will clear some thoughts up! Discuss y'all.
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May 1st, 2013, 12:44:10 PM
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17:30 Buffy cannot be accurate 17:30 Buffy im sorry And you are so true, cherub. These stats must be BS, they must. How many golurk have you run into on the ladder? Maybe a few at the start of the month, but everyone realized their golurks were getting demolished by the drops and stopped using them about a week in. So, how exactly is this true at all!? | 1 | Golurk | 18.06659% | 25193 | 15.578% | 21776 | 16.518% | Also, just look at this and you will immediately know what is wrong with it. | 8 | Jynx | 11.51539% | 14905 | 9.216% | 11355 | 8.613% | | 6 | Gardevoir | 13.08925% | 20125 | 12.444% | 15553 | 11.798% | Jynx is the dominant psychic type of the tier now people! Gardevoir has literally only a couple of niches left. Gardevoir is not being used on the ladder as is, and rightfully so, given he is out-classed by jynx in almost every way. In fact, if I want a psychic wish passer that is specially defensive, I would use grumpig more than gardevoir thanks to jynx, who should be so much higher. | 24 | Swellow | 7.03521% | 10460 | 6.468% | 8038 | 6.097% | This thing is top 10 material now. It is so strong this NU, all of the people on the ladder have realized this and I have run into so many. If not top 10 then top 5 is the further way to go, not 24. | 25 | Wartortle | 6.86264% | 10530 | 6.511% | 8568 | 6.499% | Long live the turtle! I'm sorry if someone needs reminding, but april was last month!
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May 1st, 2013, 12:51:51 PM
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| 3 | Primeape | 15.41348% | 20076 | 12.414% | 16296 | 12.361% |
| 4 | Scolipede | 14.60165% | 18470 | 11.421% | 15204 | 11.533% | | 8 | Jynx | 11.51539% | 14905 | 9.216% | 11355 | 8.613% | | 66 | Munchlax | 2.98346% | 4462 | 2.759% | 3565 | 2.704% | Well, here are our drops. I'm not gonna lie, I was pretty much expecting the results here. I knew Primeape was gonna be powerful in this meta, and since he dropped I've yet to see a team without him there due to his superb scouting traits in Fighting-Types STAB, U-Turn, Base 95 Speed, and a resistance to Stealth Rock. Still though, many people's arguments about Primeape 'outclassing' Sawk are found untrue, as Sawk is still a head over the pig-nosed ape. It's obvious now that each mon has their niche and co-exist in the meta very well, as many people have discussed previously. Scolipede is the most popular Spike-Stacker bar none, with the second and third highest, Roselia and Garbodor, sitting at 49 and 50 respectively. His offensive presence and the ability to hurt the omnipresent Psychic-Types and cripple them for the rest of the match works amazingly in conjunction with his Spike-Stacking abilities. He can also run sets such as SubSDPass, SubSalac, and just plain old Sub+3 Attacks, all of which are effective. He's a force to be sure, and really influenced the use of faster mons who can take him out, such as Zebstrika, who sits at 57, which is (I believe?) higher than last month. Jynx is more threatening than 8, and I'm shocked that she's not in the top 5. Her power, versatility, and speed are really threatening and can fit on to any team. She's amazing in the meta, and she should see even more use, IMO. lol Munchlax. Overall, some really cool tier shifts. Torterra is more common though, which is odd, as he's raped by Jynx, but I guess I'm a factor there with my current team :P. All in all, some cool stuff this time around. |
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May 1st, 2013, 1:08:26 PM
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Munchlax, from RU to PU in two months, what a boss !
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May 1st, 2013, 1:29:01 PM
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12:12 Treecko37 RU->PU in one month 12:13 Treecko37 oh BS 12:13 Treecko37 sweetjesus beat me to the punch 12:13 Treecko37 ;-;
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May 1st, 2013, 1:45:18 PM
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Im just really hoping the 1850 stats should clear shit up.
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May 1st, 2013, 1:48:58 PM
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 Munchlax deserves more love ;_; He's a very good Special Wall/Phazer/occasional para.  Wow Primeape is over Scolipede and Jynx. I expected to see the last two over the piggy ape D: I think that the meta hasn't balanced too well yet.   Actually i can explain the usage of Gardevoir compared to Jynx only with the no-weakness to SR and, since his most used item is Scarf, i believe that she's used principally to counter weather team with Trace and leftovers is used when you want the utility Garde or the SubCM, two things that Garde is probably more suited to do over Jynx.  Golurk is so damn good in this meta, his immunities are life-saver and the defensive set with Dyna-Punch is pretty annoy and can also act as a spin blocker, and against most SR setter, he has the better match up due to Dyna-Punch's confusion and typing.  Scolipede has his good spot in the usage, top three is good and he's only under the better physical wall breaker and one of the best (if not THE best) SR setter in the meta.  On Musharna, her Pivot set is very useful in this meta, paralyze everything is so sexy, expecially when you paralize your counters giving to Musharna a chance to escape and god if she's bulky !
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May 1st, 2013, 1:58:19 PM
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| 1 | Golurk | 18.06659% | 25193 | 15.578% | 21776 | 16.518% |
| 6 | Gardevoir | 13.08925% | 20125 | 12.444% | 15553 | 11.798% | | 7 | Skuntank | 11.89560% | 15142 | 9.363% | 11932 | 9.051% | Wut? Cannot be true, considering I've seen less than ten of these three combined in more than a hundred matches, while I've easily seen dozens of Jynx. @Ewil: Why would you use Gardevoir as a Scarfer? It's outsped and easily handled by Scarf Primeape/Jynx/Sawk. Gardy's only niche are some specially defensive sets as well as anti-weather sets, which have three or four attacks, with LO or Expert Belt respectively but even in the latter case Jynx is generally more useful because the most common weather is Rain, coming from a Ludicolo. |
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May 1st, 2013, 2:04:29 PM
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May 1st, 2013, 2:11:01 PM
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Anyway, any good scolipede runs aqua tail now, primeape has ice punch or even punishment whereas Jynx just demolished the thing completely. Oh, by the way, while gardy is good at anti-teaming, it should not be #6 on the ladder. Certainly not above Jynx. I believe it is 25-35 now.
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May 1st, 2013, 2:16:36 PM
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May 1st, 2013, 2:17:25 PM
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That, though the number of Golurk's I've seen suggests more like I'm dealing with somewhere in the PU usage range. Same for Gardevoir and Skuntank.
And yeah, Scoli always runs coverage to hit Golurk. Either through EQ if it runs SlideQuake, or through Aqua Tail. Ape does not hit hard enough anyway. Edit: Golurk relies on Stone Edge to OHKO Back, which is never good, and Scoli might be just as well a lead, screwing everything over with a pair of Aqua Tails. Or an even worse case, it already SD'd when Golurk came in, or it just sets up hazards in Golurk's face. Golurk is a check, but quite a few would gladly set up multiple layers of hazards, sacking Scoli in the process. |
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May 1st, 2013, 2:25:20 PM
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Earthquake: 143.91 - 169.74% Shadow Punch: 103.32 - 122.14% Ice Punch: 86.34 - 101.84% Drain Punch: 86.34 - 101.84% Scolipede can only /probably/ 2HKO with Aqua Tail while Golurk can OHKO back with Earthquake. Or hell, Shadow Punch if the Scolipede has taken rocks damage. Munchlax has laughable physical defenses. Jynx can revenge kill Golurk, but she can't switch in to anything Golurk tends to use asides from Ice Punch. I'm personally a fan of the CB set, and that's what that paragraph represents. (Though a lot of it remains true for other sets.) I've only seen a handful of other people using that set, but the Utility set is incredibly popular. It lays down rocks and spinblocks at the same time. It packs pretty good offense even uninvested. Utility Golurk still has a 43.75% chance to KO Primeape with the standard 168 attack EVs. Invest a little more, and you have a pretty solid counter to Primeape. (Considering that Primeape's Ice Punch is now a likely 3HKO instead of a 2HKO. 36 EVs into defense out of speed guarantees the 3HKO.) He can lay down some damage to just about every other hazard setter there is, mainly fearing Golem's Sucker Punch. Golurk is a darn good lead. Quote:
Pseudo-edit: Man, FLCL beat me to most of this two hours ago. I guess I have some useful calcs, so I'll post it anyway. |
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May 1st, 2013, 4:56:37 PM
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Interesting stats. Here's my two cents on some things not mentioned yet.
| 42 | Tauros | 4.78337% | 6895 | 4.263% | 5281 | 4.006% Excellent, I mentioned last March that this guy was too low, sitting at high 50's or low 60's, cant remember. Very nice jump, he's an excellent revenge killer/late gamer, and occasional wall-breaker. People have caught on. | 13 | Eelektross | 9.08588% | 14234 | 8.802% | 11801 | 8.952% | Eelektross has finally reached the spot he deserved, low 10's. He is so good, especially his special set which has awesome coverage. No weaknesses, great bulk with leftovers, this guy is so good for balanced teams. Even defensive teams can use coil set for phazing. Very versatile. 16 | Liepard | 8.75088% | 13293 | 8.220% | 10888 | 8.259% | Still too high, Liepard can be useful but his swagger set is still overrated, out of countless Liepards I've faced, I've only once been hurt by Liepard. His support set is very good however with taunt/encore/twave, now that is a set worth using. I expect low 20's next month. 25 | Wartortle | 6.86264% | 10530 | 6.511% | 8568 | 6.499% | 29 | Torkoal | 6.12696% | 9731 | 6.017% | 8274 | 6.276% | No, just no. Torkoal is much more useful than Wartortle, he has more offensive presence, lefties, WoW and rocks. Wartortle might have Foresight and Haze, but other than that he's dead weight. If someone can prove me wrong, tell me. 22 | Kangaskhan | 7.17102% | 9351 | 5.782% | 7823 | 5.934% | Last thing I want to touch on. This guy has really jumped up, and it's not hard to see why (I am partly responsible). His revenge killing set with Fake Out/Sucker is seriously good. I never make a team without him. And Adamant Silk Scarf Double Edge, Missy can't even tank it that well (Scrappy). He can work on almost any team, and can act as a great pivot too. He's like glue to a team. With Swellow on the rise too, he will be even more useful. |
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May 1st, 2013, 5:17:09 PM
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Then, amount of times I faced it and the amount of times it is actually used are entirely different things. Still I find the huge discrepancy (there is always one, depending on how much games you play (the fewer, the larger)) quite odd considering I played well over a hundred games and encountered Golurk only very few times. Scolipede, Samurott, and Jynx were about EVERYWHERE (ie, 20%-35% usage from what I encountered). Like I said before, I also barely encountered any Gardevoir/Skunk, up to the point we're talking about PU, just like with Golurk. It does not mean they are not used; according to the stats, they are used. They are used often, even. But I did not see them at all. Not at all. |
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May 1st, 2013, 5:18:51 PM
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If you need a physical wall with nice resistances and no SR weakness that can spin, haze, toxic, using seismic toss to prevent subs or burn with Scald, putting something to sleep/forcing switches with Yawn, Wartortle is your man. If you need SmashKoal or a defensive spinner with that resistances, reliable recovery in leftovers, burn possibilities with Will-O/Lava Plume, putting something to sleep/forcing switches with Yawn and/or a SR setter, Torkoal is your man. The usage stats shows that most part of the players needs more the utilities that Wartortle can offers more then the stuff provided by Torkoal (not counting that Torkoal is weak to SR) Also, taking a look to the RU statistics, we can have a good chance to see Mandibuzz and Klingklang dropping in the NU tier. They are gold for offensive and defensive teams. What you think about them ?
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May 1st, 2013, 5:42:03 PM
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| 3 | Primeape | 15.41348% | 20076 | 12.414% | 16296 | 12.361% |
| 4 | Scolipede | 14.60165% | 18470 | 11.421% | 15204 | 11.533% | | 8 | Jynx | 11.51539% | 14905 | 9.216% | 11355 | 8.613% | | 66 | Munchlax | 2.98346% | 4462 | 2.759% | 3565 | 2.704% | No surprises here tbh | 10 | Misdreavus | 10.75373% | 13319 | 8.236% | 11142 | 8.452% | I like this :) Glad to see rises in Pilo, Kanga, and Tauros! Not counting the new drops, pretty much everything is in order. NU might even pick up the Vulture from RU next tier shift! |
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I think that most of us are remembering the first part of the month, when practically everyone had Primeape, Jynx, or Scolipede (or multiple of those) on their teams. For the first week, I'd guess that 90% of teams had at least one of them. For the last week, the stats probably overestimate the number I saw. An average between the two seems pretty accurate. Antar's never been wrong to my recollection, so I'll believe these. |
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| 1 | Golurk | 18.06659% | 25193 | 15.578% | 21776 | 16.518% |
| 2 | Sawk | 15.60668% | 20966 | 12.964% | 16479 | 12.500% | | 3 | Primeape | 15.41348% | 20076 | 12.414% | 16296 | 12.361% | | 4 | Scolipede | 14.60165% | 18470 | 11.421% | 15204 | 11.533% | Solid top 4. | 8 | Jynx | 11.51539% | 14905 | 9.216% | 11355 | 8.613% | Strong start for Jynx! | 20 | Samurott | 8.20195% | 10954 | 6.773% | 8738 | 6.628% | | 22 | Kangaskhan | 7.17102% | 9351 | 5.782% | 7823 | 5.934% | Needs more usage. | 66 | Munchlax | 2.98346% | 4462 | 2.759% | 3565 | 2.704% | lol |
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[17:35] <ebeast> !usage jynx moves nu
[17:35] <TIBot> Ice Beam 98.815% | Lovely Kiss 71.040% | Psychic 59.823% | Nasty Plot 47.858% | Substitute 44.325% | Focus Blast 30.955% | Trick 14.278% | Psyshock 11.502% | Shadow Ball 8.452% | Other 12.953% Lovely Kiss being used only 71% of the time is really gross. It's by far Jynx's best move and the reason it's such a dangerous Pokemon in the metagame. It's not as needed on Choice Scarf sets (although it's still a good option on it) but Scarf doesn't account for 29% of Jynx not using LK. Use LK pls ladder. :( Anyways the Top 10 looks pretty good outside of Armaldo and Gardevoir who probably shouldn't be in there. Swagger Liepard is still way too high, but hoping the 1850 stats while clear some of this up.
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May 1st, 2013, 8:58:40 PM
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These stats accurately display that a pokemon's usage last month affects their placement in this month's usage stats. Newcomers in Primeape, Jynx and Scolipede have to work their way up from scratch, while veterans in Golurk, Gardevoir and Sawk simply picked up where they left off. Thus, even with the tremendous usage boost, Jynx was unable to usurp Garde as premier offensive Psychic of the tier (yet), and while I know that Golurk has worth in this metagame, being top dog is a bit of a stretch and is mainly due to its top spot competitors receiving competition due to new/rising threats. Sawk is facing competition from Primeape, Braviary is competing with Swellow, while Garde is relegated from versatile offensive threat to a support role or anti-weather measure thanks to Jynx. Golurk doesn't really function like other pokemon: he hits like a nuke, sets up SR while stopping opposing SR and Rapid Spin, and has handy resistances, but his weaknesses have become more prominent this time around as well. We'll just have to see how May's stats will turn out once the tier truly settles in, after all it was a pretty bumpy ride.
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Yeah, I agree with EBeast here regarding the usage stats, and there are some even more major points to contend to regarding this as well, seeing as a few Pokemon in particular really deserves a lot more justification of use on teams. We agree in particular that it's an absolute joke to see Carracosta (#41, only Zebraiken has been hyping this thing, and definitely for good reason), Metang (#68, below MUNCHLAX?), Rotom-F (#96 again are you kidding me?), Serperior (#47, well we know this thing is pretty underrated, so not much to say about that) Zebstrika (#57, being used less than Cradily, lol) and even Pelipper (EBeast's set that we love dearly is actually a pretty solid pivot as far as my vote goes) ranked in such low usage ratings when they tend to have more important niches for the current than quite a few other Pokemon that we're seeing above them (lol Liepard, for example).
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