CAP 4 - Part 2 - Typing Poll 1

***Birkal**** · Sep 20th, 2012, 1:06:10 PM

Hello! Now we're moving into one of the most important polls of CAP. Through this series of polls, we'll be deciding on the typing of CAP4. I hope you understand the gravity of this poll; movepools, abilities, and even stats will all be altered by what we choose here. Pick wisely.

Typing Polls are run with IRV voting, the details of which are outlined here. This means that you can upvote your favorite typing and downvote your least favorite. Be aware that order does matter in your votes! The first line is your favorite, the last line is your least favorite. Make sure you vote properly. Make sure that you bold your votes and nothing else! A typical vote might look like the following:

Quote:

Most Preferred
Second Most Preferred
Third Most Preferred

Any comments that the voter has would go below the votes in non-bold text. Bold text is used to determine what the user's votes are, so none of the supplementary text should be in bold.

Please post only your votes in this thread. Do not respond to other posts, or your posts will be moderated and you may be warned. You are allowed to say whatever you like in relation to your vote at the bottom of your post, but please do not look to begin a discussion. Keep those comments to #cap on IRC.

This poll will be open for 24 hours.

When voting, use only the typing! The list of possible votes include:

Bug/Dragon
Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying

Make sure there are no spaces in between your slashes for dual types.

Below is CAP 4 so far:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat capefeather

Name: Risky Business
(formerly "Living On the Edge")

General Description: This Pokémon is very risky to play, but very rewarding if played correctly.

Justification: Many of the Pokémon that are successful in OU are relatively easy to play or have great "safe" options (e.g. U-turn). Yet, many other Pokémon look very powerful, but are less successful than they could be because of some large risks involved (e.g. Hydreigon), and some aren't successful at all (e.g. Honchkrow). This self-balancing concept intends to explore what it takes for a risky Pokémon to be successful, and how much inherent risk a Pokémon can get away with. It should be emphasized that this concept is NOT about luck management, but rather, it is about what the user can afford to do given his/her opponent's options, and vice versa.

Questions To Be Answered:

What is the relationship between risk and potential consequences, both positive and negative?
What kinds of inherently risky tactics are successful in the OU metagame?
Do risky Pokémon need some form of safe options (e.g. switch-ins) to be successful in OU, or can it get away with having few really safe options?
How does Substitute, a well-known "safe" move with nearly universal distribution, impact how this Pokémon is built and played?
How do existing Pokémon use and deal with risky situations?
Can risky Pokémon be played well in the early game, or are they better off put into action later on?
How do different playstyles interact with risky situations?

Explanation: This concept has been a rather long time coming. My main inspiration actually comes from obi / david stone and his battling AI, Technical Machine. Part of me imagined Technical Machine playing in a metagame containing this kind of Pokémon to see how it would play it, and by submitting this now I risk never having that come to fruition, but it doesn't seem like it will be finished for this generation any time soon. My other inspirations mainly comes from examples of risky Pokémon in other metagames. Honchkrow in UU, for example, has a deadly combination in Sucker Punch + Brave Bird + Pursuit, and with enough balls (or a good opportunity), it can use Roost to keep on trucking past Life Orb recoil. Another arguable example is Ursaring in Glitchmons. It is successful for having an extremely powerful priority STAB move, but at the same time, its other priority moves aren't quite as powerful, and sometimes it has to resort to a move like V-create, which punishes its low Speed.

Now, some may have noticed that there was no mention whatsoever of the term "prediction" throughout this submission. This was intentional. I feel that "prediction" has very much become a sort of buzzword even among seasoned battlers, and people get the heavily simplified idea that Pokémon is just about predicting your opponent's move. Yet, as anyone who's played poker or even competitive rock-paper-scissors will tell you, there is an inherent risk in every read, and these risks have to be considered to be successful. The aforementioned Technical Machine has no inherent concept of "prediction" at all. Hopefully, by making a Pokémon that embodies risk and reward, we will have a better understanding of the long-term implications of risk in a Pokémon match.

I know bugmaniacbob said he wants a concept focused on how to build a Pokémon more than what the metagame does when presented with a certain Pokémon. I know that this concept is pretty heavy on the latter, but I definitely chose this concept with the former in mind as well. There are a lot of good possibilities for making risk happen, and I am eager to see what people come up with.

bugmaniacbob · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:05:10 PM

Bug/Psychic
Bug/Dragon
Grass/Flying
Electric/Psychic

I really like the way that Bug/Psychic interacts with the environment, its team, and other such things. It is risky to switch in without being reliant on weather control or other such things. Bug/Dragon is a close second because, while riskier, it has the potential to make for a more interesting and informative CAP. Grass/Flying… you may be wondering why I slated this, and it's purely because it's a typing I am very interested in and think could possibly have quite a few applications, which I'd like to see more of. As far as Electric/Psychic is concerned, I have no reason to keep it off the slate, so it might as well be there for variety. There is nothing particularly about it that interests me, to be honest, but it still suits our purposes very well indeed.

Now, go forth and vote.

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DarkSlay · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:06:27 PM

Bug/Psychic
Bug/Dragon
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying

erisia · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:06:31 PM

Bug/Psychic
Bug/Dragon

**jas61292** · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:08:38 PM

Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic

Orivexes · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:09:09 PM

Bug/Dragon
Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying

Maybe I just like the idea of a bug dragon? I think I'm mostly swayed by the potential for risky outrages and draco meteors.

On the other hand, I like the idea of psychic, but I guess I'm just convinced of the offensive prowess of Bug/Psychic--I feel a lot of the metagame would resist too much of what it could do.

Solstice · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:09:24 PM

Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying

NonnieGrey · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:09:59 PM

Electric/Psychic
Bug/Dragon
Bug/Psychic

shartruce2 · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:13:36 PM

Bug/Psychic
Grass/Flying
Electric/Psychic

Demist · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:15:08 PM

Bug/Psychic
Bug/Dragon

Base Speed · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:15:52 PM

For me, it's...

Bug/Dragon
Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying

srk1214 · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:16:01 PM

Electric/Psychic
Bug/Psychic
Grass/Flying
Bug/Dragon

CiteAndPrune · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:16:13 PM

Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic
Bug/Dragon
Grass/Flying

Not enough room to add Bug/Ground, which would've been also awesome, but I like these options so much that, whichever wins, it'll be good (although... Grass/Flying? Kind of random last minute addition, it seems). Bug/Dragon slightly lower but I'm sure enough people liking it will vote it up anyway.

Imanalt · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:20:22 PM

Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic
Bug/Dragon

Trainer Yusuf · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:21:56 PM

Bug/Psychic
Bug/Dragon
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying

Master of the Six Kings · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:24:45 PM

Electric/Psychic
Bug/Psychic
Grass/Flying
Bug/Dragon

Eagle4 · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:25:46 PM

Electric/Psychic
Bug/Psychic
Grass/Flying
Bug/Dragon

For everybody who hasn't looked at the typing discussion, please do so before voting. I really don't want this to become the Bug/Dragonbandwagon thread.

***Birkal**** · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:27:13 PM

Bug/Dragon
Electric/Psychic
Bug/Psychic
Grass/Flying

I am absolutely convinced that we will get the best results with Bug/Dragon.

***Birkal**** · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:28:57 PM

Oh hey, since this apparently needs to be emphazied...

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ganj4lF · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:34:12 PM

Bug/Dragon
Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying

Tira_ShadowHeart · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:34:48 PM

Bug/Dragon
Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic

alkinesthetase · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:34:57 PM

Bug/Psychic
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying
Bug/Dragon

Dusk209 · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:38:45 PM

Bug/Dragon
Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying
Bug/Psychic

azriel · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:41:43 PM

Bug/Dragon
Electric/Psychic

Yllnath · Sep 20th, 2012, 2:42:58 PM

Electric/Psychic
Grass/Flying

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:05:10 PM	#2
bugmaniacbob Fare thee well. Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,038 Floccinaucinihilipilification	Bug/Psychic Bug/Dragon Grass/Flying Electric/Psychic I really like the way that Bug/Psychic interacts with the environment, its team, and other such things. It is risky to switch in without being reliant on weather control or other such things. Bug/Dragon is a close second because, while riskier, it has the potential to make for a more interesting and informative CAP. Grass/Flying… you may be wondering why I slated this, and it's purely because it's a typing I am very interested in and think could possibly have quite a few applications, which I'd like to see more of. As far as Electric/Psychic is concerned, I have no reason to keep it off the slate, so it might as well be there for variety. There is nothing particularly about it that interests me, to be honest, but it still suits our purposes very well indeed. Now, go forth and vote. these are not subliminal messages at all __________________ Art / C&C / The Smog / Longest Ever Analysis MkI / Longest Ever Analysis MkII / Warstories / Stupid Poem / CAP 4: Aurumoth

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:06:27 PM	#3
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Sep 20th, 2012, 2:06:31 PM	#4
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Sep 20th, 2012, 2:08:38 PM	#5
jas61292 likes his numbers Moderator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,298 Strong as a Corsola	Bug/Psychic Electric/Psychic __________________ <Destiny_Warrior> jas will you do the dramatic reading <jas61292> I can't do anything dramatically. Not the actor type <Kadew> type tldr prc posts dramatically, then <Kadew> I'm sure you can manage that .

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:09:09 PM	#6
Orivexes Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 37 MA/CT, US	Bug/Dragon Bug/Psychic Electric/Psychic Grass/Flying Maybe I just like the idea of a bug dragon? I think I'm mostly swayed by the potential for risky outrages and draco meteors. On the other hand, I like the idea of psychic, but I guess I'm just convinced of the offensive prowess of Bug/Psychic--I feel a lot of the metagame would resist too much of what it could do. __________________ Tumblr (pokemon art, tumblr nonsense, etc.): http://igobyjoe.tumblr.com/

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:09:24 PM	#7
Solstice Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,223 In a cold pizza induced euphoria	Bug/Psychic Electric/Psychic Grass/Flying

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:09:59 PM	#8
NonnieGrey Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 3	Electric/Psychic Bug/Dragon Bug/Psychic

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:13:36 PM	#9
shartruce2 krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 372	Bug/Psychic Grass/Flying Electric/Psychic

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:15:08 PM	#10
Demist Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 301 "but truth to be told, I'm kinda bad at it"	Bug/Psychic Bug/Dragon __________________ "lying is my specialty" ^^

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:15:52 PM	#11
Base Speed Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 89	For me, it's... Bug/Dragon Bug/Psychic Electric/Psychic Grass/Flying

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:16:01 PM	#12
srk1214 Supreme Master of Trivia Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 826	Electric/Psychic Bug/Psychic Grass/Flying Bug/Dragon __________________ Best. Match. Ever. http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11554542 To see the other best match ever, go to DetroitLolcat's signature.

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:16:13 PM	#13
CiteAndPrune Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 203 Poland	Bug/Psychic Electric/Psychic Bug/Dragon Grass/Flying Not enough room to add Bug/Ground, which would've been also awesome, but I like these options so much that, whichever wins, it'll be good (although... Grass/Flying? Kind of random last minute addition, it seems). Bug/Dragon slightly lower but I'm sure enough people liking it will vote it up anyway. __________________ I'm a casual Smogoner that mostly frequents the forums - chances are you won't find me on IRC that often. If you want to talk shoot me a PM please, I'm not on every day but I'll eventually reply.

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:20:22 PM	#14
Imanalt RHYDON RHYDON RHYDON RHYDON RHYDON RHYDON Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,407 VT, USA	Bug/Psychic Electric/Psychic Bug/Dragon __________________ ASB profile zfs: we are the knights who say nidoking http://pastebin.com/FrNB3Vg3 21:15 Cathy GreatSage is a known spammer

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:21:56 PM	#15
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Sep 20th, 2012, 2:24:45 PM	#16
Master of the Six Kings Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 791 Where soccer is the correct terminology and bacon isn't dishonest	Electric/Psychic Bug/Psychic Grass/Flying Bug/Dragon

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:25:46 PM	#17
Eagle4 Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 996 Avatar by the awesome Magistrum!	Electric/Psychic Bug/Psychic Grass/Flying Bug/Dragon For everybody who hasn't looked at the typing discussion, please do so before voting. I really don't want this to become the Bug/Dragonbandwagon thread. __________________ My favourite pokemon grid Last edited by Eagle4; Sep 20th, 2012 at 2:36:56 PM.

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:27:13 PM	#18
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,070 The Mentor	Bug/Dragon Electric/Psychic Bug/Psychic Grass/Flying I am absolutely convinced that we will get the best results with Bug/Dragon. __________________

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:28:57 PM	#19
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,070 The Mentor	Oh hey, since this apparently needs to be emphazied... DO NOT USE BOLD IN ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR VOTES It is written directly in the original post and applies to every single voting stage of CAP. It messes with the voting system. Your entire ballot will be deleted if you don't follow this rule; thank you. Please read the rules before voting since they are imperative to how CAP is run. __________________

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:34:12 PM	#20
ganj4lF Nobody is safe from the power of science! Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 712 Italy	Bug/Dragon Bug/Psychic Electric/Psychic Grass/Flying

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:34:48 PM	#21
Tira_ShadowHeart Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 42	Bug/Dragon Bug/Psychic Electric/Psychic

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:34:57 PM	#22
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Sep 20th, 2012, 2:38:45 PM	#23
Dusk209 No relation. Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 149	Bug/Dragon Electric/Psychic Grass/Flying Bug/Psychic

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:41:43 PM	#24
azriel Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 47	Bug/Dragon Electric/Psychic __________________ Peak UU Rank: 1 9/7/2012

Sep 20th, 2012, 2:42:58 PM	#25
Yllnath Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 304	Electric/Psychic Grass/Flying