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Old Sep 30th, 2012, 3:58:24 AM   #201
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CBMeadow: Do not change a thing. It does look Psychic enough, the design is amazing, and the art is amazing.
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Old Sep 30th, 2012, 7:59:27 AM   #202
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if the stats/abilities change to end up fitting this one more
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if the stats/abilities change to end up fitting this one more
Hot damn that is badass.

Can I have it as a pet?
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Unsolicited opinion - all the mantis magicians/gypsies remind me strongly of Manny the Mantis magician from Pixar's A Bug's Life (which I'm totally ok with).
It's good to no i'm not the only one here thinking that.. man so much good art here.

@KoA: you're seraph as totally changed my opinion of this bug. coming in I told myself that I absolutely wouldn't vote for a moth, but that all changed it. I especially like that grey alternate color you gave it. Totally love seeing that bug every time
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So I took Pwnemon's critique to heart, and this happened:



I'm not gonna lie: I'm pretty impressed that I could manage that. But I think the colour changes have actually hurt its Psychic-type. If you think I should change the colour scheme back to the original, I can simply trace over this and do that- don't worry about sounding harsh, I like improving designs.

The changes are, pretty obviously, iridescence- which I've been TRYING to achieve this whole time- the lack of back-legs, the more clearly segmented body (for Weak Armour), and the new rainbow motif. After I'd shaded the body, I thought the old green gems wouldn't work, so thought of the rainbow idea and tried it out. If it's just me, do say, but it looks unPsychic to me now.

If you have any idea on how to make it better, let me know if you prefer this one or the one on page 8, and what I can keep from both designs and change from them to make the best possible final submission- I'd like to have a shot at this! :3

Also sort of important edit: http://i.imgur.com/McoVP.png This is a reference tool of sorts, full of all kinds of different ways I could draw Glowworm so you can point out which parts you'd like to see implemented, and which you wouldn't. It's definitely not the most refined of things, but should serve as a decent reference. The most important things in that are:
-Whether the body is slim or fat
-Whether there are spots on the underbelly
and -What style the segments of the glowworm should be in.

My handwriting is incomprehensible so sorry about that. :P

(Also: I hope I'm not littering the thread with my concept. I've posted what, three versions and two pages of supplementary art?)


Okay, I concede. I'll provide commentary and critique for everyone in the OP (okay, second post). Because every entry is being discussed, including ones I've already done, I'm going to be a bit more strict, specific, and honest, so look on with caution. Also if these sound half-coherent I apologize, there's a lot here to do.

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Since I've had little to do recently, if anyone would like me to directly help with design or final art or anything like that, I'm willing- send a PM.
Additionally, if you need a visual of any of my suggestions (they're probably pretty confusing), you may also ask in a PM and I will try to demonstrate.

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Old Sep 30th, 2012, 12:14:10 PM   #206
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Here's my favourite idea (of my own) so far. This bug pokemon senses and feeds off the chi/energy fields/life force of its surroundings using its long antennae. The more chi that surrounds it, the more vibrant and sparkly its outer shell becomes.
Inspired by the sparkliest of shining leaf chafer beetles
http://bugguide.net/node/view/267632/bgimage
http://www.godofinsects.com/files/14...450/115_17.jpg



If I continue with this design, I'll probably try to draw it in a way so that its cape-like shell looks more solid (to work with weak armour).

Feedback appreciated! (I'll give some feedback shortly)
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I realize I'm coming pretty late to the party but i figured id give it a shot anyway!



3 ideas. I'm personally feeling the bottom one most!
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Old Sep 30th, 2012, 1:57:25 PM   #208
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Yilx: It almost sorta looks like a Steel-type, but otherwise it's pretty awesome. I want one, that would be pretty badass.

CBMeadow: I like the new colors, honestly. The Rainbow gems and the lack of extra pointy appendages have let it make the switch from looking more of a poison type to looking Psychic. I am curious to see how other shades for the body would look with the new look. I bets some blacks or dark blues would complement the brighter, more colorful gems.

Sentret: The upper-left one is catching my eye. They all look pretty interesting overall.
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Sentret, I like the bottom one most as well. Cute roachguy lol.
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Old Sep 30th, 2012, 4:42:39 PM   #210
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Sentret: Interesting designs, but (contrary to most folks) I feel like the bugginess of these guys isn't coming through enough. I think the bottom has a lot of promise though and I love your work so I look forward to more updates!

CBMeadow: I prefer the older design that had multiple legs, but the colours are nice on both. I'd keep your design loose at this point though because the most recent version very heavily favours a slow/bulky stat spread and we may not get that.

Yilx: I think the scorpion has potential but it's a bit unbalanced right now. I feel like it'd be remedied if its tail was longer like a real scorpion's. I also think that for a bug/psychic type, there is too much of a robotic vibe going on. I'm not sure why he needs the metal-coated look rather over the naturally armored bug look.

Doran Dragon(most recent design): Love it! I like the pink and where you've placed light/dark values but maybe another colour in the mix would help it be more visually appealing (ie 3 colours rather than 2 - the pinks you're using are just darker/lighter variations on the same pink so it doesn't really count as an extra colour in the scheme). I'm also wondering if the scrying ball could be more integrated into the design, or if it's even necessary - just something to think about, I don't have a suggestion.

Rocket Grunt: Love where you're going with it.. I don't have any suggestions, can't wait to see you develop it.

Chomz: The newer version is definitely better! I really enjoy how the bandana integrates with the design and looks bug-like. Love it overall! It's interesting with personality but not overly complicated.

Calad: I like where you're going with it but the body shape and beard-wings are a bit awkward still. I think that's easily fixable though!

KoA: This could work but the body shape is so awkward to me. I don't understand why it's a head on a stick. Maybe the body could have a shape that looks like it fits into the wing shapes. Also these colours are so bad I can't even look at them. Do not use that blue-purple with rust.. really the colours need to be completely rethought (sorry for harshness)

itsme: It's cute and the colours are nice.. can you alter the design so it doesn't need to fly?

Quany: You know my thoughts already but I like the second for its extra details and the first for its eyes. They are both great.

ToxicPhox: I think this is super cool I hope you finish it!

Cartoons!: Super great and adorable, but they look like they could get into so much trouble too!

Cyzir: I think the wormhole worm is really well designed. It doesn't need the wormhole to be part of its design, but it's great as flavour/supporting art.
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Yilx that design looks boss, but like everyone else has said it does look like a steel type. Nevertheless it definitely looks like it could be a real pokemon.
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This is how Weak Armor works!


I also had this design in case Illusion stole the show.

Kind of a hookah-faced Lewis Carroll-type caterpillar. I might still clean it up if people like it better than the lovebugs.

Sentret, I like the third one too. Colours?

paintseagull. I like your shiny beetle, but I think for its 'theme' to work, you could maybe do something to draw more attention to its chi-sucking antennae? Kind of like how Stantler's magic antlers have a very intentional design to them.
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Yilx both of yours look good, but even in sketch form I loved the Scorpion more. It does come across more as Psychic than Steel to me, but to appease people you might make it a little less shiny.

Nasty Jungle's is amazing.

I don't know how many people have commented on Juicy Fruit's but I adore it, I think it toes the line of being too silly but that is where all the great pokemon are.
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Old Sep 30th, 2012, 10:24:38 PM   #214
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Taking into account all the suggestions, here is my most recent update

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Edit@Tea&blues: yeah, its supposed to be incense. I was thinking of flare boost for that part of the design, but it may not even get to be part of cap now lol. I was also thinking of the gold accessories to be used as weak armor...

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I like that a lot Doran! Reminds me a lot of the "Inzektor" cards from Yugioh, but that's not a bad thing. You've got a good color scheme going.

Also like your support for weak armor Cartoons! I felt a pinch of sorrow and yet hope for the tragic duo. I'd be interested to see what your second design is, but I can't really make it out :(

Anywho, after some slight tweaking and additions, I've settled on what is basically the final version of this guy unless something superficial like a last minute palette swap comes into play. Added some beads around the neck, extended the tail and added some flexibility to the design in general (I never intended for it to look rigid), and altered the design stripes along the body so they don't clash.

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If you're wondering how he fits that tail in his wing armor when at rest, he tucks it in and curls it up so it fits nice :v

At this point, I'm just gonna shovel out support art as I am personally satisfied with the main design.
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I don't have time to enter this round, but I love a lot of the entries, particularly Doran's pink psychic mantis and yilx's crazy alternate design.

Doran, I'm curious about the smoke rising off the antennae. Is it incense? I'd like to see how she looks without that effect, unless the effect is part of the Pokemon, as per the rules.
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It's time for a newbie to do some CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM!

paintseagull: I'm loving the color scheme and shape of the design so far, but I think it needs some more psychic flavor. I'll leave that up to you, as it's probably the most fun part. If it is not too much to ask for, I feel like a different pose might show off what you have done a bit better, as the concept as it stands looks a bit like a diagram in a textbook and less like a badass bug-creature with psychic powers. That came off as being a little more mean than I intended.

SoIheardyoulikeSENTRET: I gotta agree w/ you on this one, the bottom design is my fav too. The top right and top right designs come across as too abstract and bizarre to really be sure what one is looking at. The bottom one has a fantastic expression and feel. May I suggest removing or at least tweaking the eye-structure on its forehead?

Yilx: Ok so I have some quick advice for your design, which is amazing btw. I think you would be better off having the tail curve up towards the head more. This rounds off the design nicely, as right now you have a very rigid body. Curving the tail so that it moves up more adds more dimension and gives you the oportunity to play around with some more design option. That's just my two cents, but I really think it would help your design.

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I like that a lot Doran! Reminds me a lot of the "Inzektor" cards from Yugioh, but that's not a bad thing. You've got a good color scheme going.

Also like your support for weak armor Cartoons! I felt a pinch of sorrow and yet hope for the tragic duo. I'd be interested to see what your second design is, but I can't really make it out :(

Anywho, after some slight tweaking and additions, I've settled on what is basically the final version of this guy unless something superficial like a last minute palette swap comes into play. Added some beads around the neck, extended the tail and added some flexibility to the design in general (I never intended for it to look rigid), and altered the design stripes along the body so they don't clash.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...me/finaled.png


If you're wondering how he fits that tail in his wing armor when at rest, he tucks it in and curls it up so it fits nice :v

At this point, I'm just gonna shovel out support art as I am personally satisfied with the main design.
I much preferred the old tail, although its still a solid design. Are those balls round its neck are for using Hidden Power? XD
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Don't get why my other post was taken down. THERE WAS A SERIOUS COMMENT ABOUT YILX'S ARTWORK!!! I said the scorpion's tail needed to be longer. Anyway, I don't think it looks like a Steel-type - I mean, the look is there, but the entire Egyptian thing would work for a Psychic. Besides, if Mummy wins the secondary ability poll, I'll vote for the scorpion.

KoA, I like what you've done with this! I've figured out what's wrong with the lower part of the body, though: you've got the look for head and thorax down, but I don't think you actually have a bug's abdomen. What if you made the whole tail thicker and a little bulgier? If you still want that pretty ball on the end of a thin tail, attach that to the bottom of the abdomen, but you have to have the abdomen to complete the look. I don't get the necklace.
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RabidChipmunk I find this design particularly cute and do want to see it finished. I think a green/yellow colouration might look best, but tweak at your own decision. How I see it is that the little diamonds under its head are its hands, pulled up tight against itself. As such they could be a little higher up on the body.
Thanks for the feedback, CB! I liked your idea for green and yellow, so with that in mind I went and bought a pack of colored pencils from the store on campus and pieced together the first color draft for my CAP 4 proposal.



I edited his wings somewhat so that way they look more like, you know, wings, I guess. They some much more "natural" now, if you can call it that. Didn't color them in because I'm still deciding on what color they should be. I'm thinking a light bluish-pinkish sort of deal for now. I'm contemplating reversing the colors of his cocoon (lighter colored diamonds and darker colored shell).

I can see why it looked like the diamonds on his side were his arms all tucked in, but alas, it's just a pattern on his cocoon. Hopefully this image clears that up a little bit now that we can see that his body and his cocoon are different colors, but just in case, I also happened to sketch up a few other designs (no color) that show him in other stances.

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This image is just a quick sketch of how I imagine him looking with no cocoon at all. I drew his antennae way too small, but whatev's.

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This is an image I drew of a female version (her antennae have heart-shaped tips instead of diamond-shaped ones) in a pose where she's leaning threateningly out of her cocoon. I honestly really like how she looks in this one, she's got so much attitude :3
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Colors and refined the concept. I'm liking this. I agree, there was much wrong with the eye on top of his head so now it's part of his crest!
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Here's a fully colored version of the bookworm design I've been working on:



I tried out a lot of different color schemes, and I will probably upload and post them later, just so you can see everything I rejected. I tried many variations to include some pink, because that's the cliche color for Psychic typing. But I couldn't find anything that worked right for this. I'm loving the bug green as the main color.

The bookworm theme should be pretty obvious, but I tried to integrate the book elements to be more organic than they were in the sketch.

I envision this pokemon being discovered in game kinda like you discover Amoongus mistaking it for a pokeball, or like encountering Rotom when you interact with the TV set. In Pokemon, you come across all sorts of bookshelves and such -- well with this pokemon, when you are poking around a book shelf, I imagine the game giving some hint like, "One book looks like it is moving..." Then boom, "A CAP4 appeared!"

What seems to be pages of the book are actually prehensile appendages the bookworm uses to move, grab stuff, etc. Although it looks like it only has three "pages", they are actually multiple thin folds packed together, so if the pokemon decides to fan its "pages", it has hundreds if the need arises.

The pokemon is known to be exceptionally intelligent, and uses its golden quill (which is rumored to be plucked from the tail of Ho-oh) to make strange markings on its pages when it encounters interesting situations. The markings are very similar to the shapes of Unown found on various runes, which has led to speculation that this pokemon is somehow tied to Unown and the dimension they come from.

I don't know if I will incorporate this into the design or not, but I had an interesting idea that every bookworm could have a distinct symbol on its cover, based on its IV's or PID, using the exact same formula as Unown. Obviously we wouldn't code this into our sim for CAP, but it could be a fun flavor twist for this design and backstory. Here's an animation showing the cover symbols for A, B, C, and D. Although stylized to look like writing strokes, the symbol shapes should be familiar to any self-respecting pokenerd... ;-)



I'm having fun with this design so far. I hope you like it too.
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I tried out a lot of different color schemes, and I will probably upload and post them later, just so you can see everything I rejected. I tried many variations to include some pink, because that's the cliche color for Psychic typing. But I couldn't find anything that worked right for this. I'm loving the bug green as the main color.
Yes keep green.

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What seems to be pages of the book are actually prehensile appendages the bookworm uses to move, grab stuff, etc. Although it looks like it only has three "pages", they are actually multiple thin folds packed together, so if the pokemon decides to fan its "pages", it has hundreds if the need arises.
...yeah... not really buying this unfortunately. You really need to find a way to make the book look more page-ful for the design to work. It just looks very awkward to me.

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I don't know if I will incorporate this into the design or not, but I had an interesting idea that every bookworm could have a distinct symbol on its cover, based on its IV's or PID, using the exact same formula as Unown. Obviously we wouldn't code this into our sim for CAP, but it could be a fun flavor twist for this design and backstory. Here's an animation showing the cover symbols for A, B, C, and D. Although stylized to look like writing strokes, the symbol shapes should be familiar to any self-respecting pokenerd... ;-)
Love this. No reason we couldn't do this. Spinda/Unown inspired. Very nice.
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@Sentret

I like the design but i dont really see the bug in it. I dont know if a differnect color palette would change it maybe make it less human like? Not sure.

@Doug

I like this design also. I think if you make the bulbs a little bigger at the end of his antennae it would look cool. Its an interesting part of the design and i feel like it needs to be bigger.
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