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Oct 6th, 2012, 3:03:16 PM
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-Row Row Fight Da Powa!!"- ( Another OU Offensive Team)
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Oct 6th, 2012, 5:23:06 PM
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Team Dai-Gurren all day :)
So the first big threat that I see is Terrakion. Really all of his sets do huge amounts of damage to you, this is because neither of your Fighting-type resists, Gyarados and Latios, can handle Terrakion's Stone Edges. Now you mention this in you RMT, and state that its because of Terrakion that you're running Sturdy Magnezone. Seriously don't run Sturdy Magnezone; the only reason to run Magnezone is to trap and kill opposing Steel-types, plus your team would benefit greatly from that has the majority of your pokemon are walled outright but Steel-types like Skarmory and Ferrothorn. Your team also has a lot of problems handling the omnipresent Genesect, but with Magnet Pull you don't have to worry as much because if it locks itself into the wrong move, it will be trapped and killed. Because of all these reasons, and because they're are better ways for dealing with Terrakion than Sturdy Magnezone, I recommend(insist really :) you run Magnet Pull on Magneton!. I also recommend you run a Choice Scarf variant, something like:
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I recommend this change because of how offensive your team is, plus it helps you against two other threats SD Lucario and SD Toxicroak. Both of these pokemon can set up on 'mons like Latios and Gyarados(respectively) and proceed to sweep you. Choice Scarf Magneton makes an excellent check to them both. It also helps you against another major metagame threat, Tornadus-T who at the moment can pretty much spam Hurricane and beat you. Magneton serves as a decent check who can take a Hurricane and threaten with Volt Switch/Thunder. I also suggest running Fire Fang over Wild Charge on Stoutland, this again helps you against Genesect, who, as I'm sure you're aware, is everywhere. Also you can change its EV spread to 40 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Spe, because even with 252 Spe you don't outrun +1 108s, and with 212 you still outrun +1 101s. Plus it gives you a little extra bulk. Next I recommend replacing Fire Fang with Fire Blast on Tyranitar. Even with your Atk EV investment Fire Blast will generally be doing more damage, due to its much higher base power, and the fact that most pokemon you'd want to use a Fire-type attack on have lower SDef. Finally Lum Berry over Focus Sash. While Focus Sash can be a good item on a 'lead' pokemon, you really shouldn't always be leading with Haxorus. Especially with Magnezone clearing the field of Steels, a late-game Double Dancer Haxorus is hugely threatening. Focus Sash will often be broken if its not used early game, while Lum Berry carries it's benefits regardless of when its used. Good Luck! Edit: Lol yeah def meant to say Magneton xD dunno what I was thinking, even put up Magnezone's pic. Thanks for catching that CSC :)
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Oct 6th, 2012, 5:47:27 PM
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Going to be a little daring and attempt to correct Joeyboy's Magnezone suggestion - if you're going to use Scarf Magnezone, use Scarf Magneton instead. It serves the same purpose as Scarf Magnezone, but it's faster, so you can now revenge Tornadus-T (who can deal a lot of damage to your team with a combination of Hurricane, U-turn and Superpower) outside of Sand.
Stoutland can revenge Torn-T during a Sandstorm, but to get the sandstorm up you need to send Tyranitar in, and then send Stoutland - and Tornadus T will either Superpower (which will KO Stoutland) or U-turn out after you send Tyranitar, so it will get to live (and thus Hurricane-spam you) another day.
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Magneton's main drawback over Scarf Magnezone is not being able to 3HKO Ferrothorn under the rain due to the SpA loss, but Tyranitar should be able to deal with him well enough thanks to Fire Blast. Hope I helped, and good luck on the ladder!
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Oct 6th, 2012, 11:10:20 PM
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Thx Joeyboy and CSB! Since I'll have to switch magnezone to magneton, how will I deal with Terakion? XD
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Oct 6th, 2012, 11:26:11 PM
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Really you have a great weakness to Terrakion, I suggest that you change your Gyarados by a Amoonguss, having a high HP and resistance to Stab figthing he is a great check it, besides having access to one of the better blows Spore game.
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I hope I helped, good luck with the team. |
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Oct 6th, 2012, 11:32:11 PM
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Oct 7th, 2012, 8:59:24 AM
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I'll give you a rating over worked, besides the weakness Terrakion his team suffers a lot to face times of rain.
The Reason: BW2 brought things like Keldeo, Tornadus-T, Thundurus-T to metagame all three have a great offensive ability, and with the help of the rain that turns out to gain more power, Hurricane with 100% accuracy, Thunder 100% accuraçy, Hydro Pump with its power increase by rain, your team can not enter at all into scams like these. The Reason two: Terrakion is another big problem for his team combining his type makes it possesses two types Stab is a powerful figthing / Rock so that you can not in any way enter into a Close Combat / Stone Edge. Solution: Teams of rain are increasingly common is actually have a very large force, Gyrados is not in any way a good answer to tackle this type of team, use Rotom-W in this slot, Rotom-W has a combination of types too good and also a great ability to make a good response against these teams and still a good check of Mamoswine which also causes him a lot of work.
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Solution 2: Haxorus Pokemon is a great addition and I have no doubt, put his team in this way that he dropped just increase your number of weakness.Sugiro you switch it on Landorus-T, a combination of types guarantees resistance to figthing which along with its ability makes it a great check to Terrakion,.
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Now I will talk about small changes, so I realize you want to use a Tyranitar offensive, I suggest you put it Choice Band, and change your division efforts to 156 HP, 252 Atk, 100 Spd, Crunch, Pursuit, Stone Edge, Superpower in his moveset. As stated here is a rating a little more labored, I hope this time have helped in something, good luck with your team. |
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Oct 7th, 2012, 9:54:18 AM
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Many things are already being said. I second Joeyboy and CSC's suggestions on Scarf Magneton. However, that doesn't solve the Terrakion weakness at all; ok, you gained something that can revenge it, but you're still in the situation of being unable to switch something into it (especially LO / Band sets). Finding a way to do so is indeed tricky - using a Psychic type to cushion Close Combat is dangerous since it will open a big U-Turn weakness into your team, and a Flying type will add another Ice weakness, which is not good at all.
Now, I really feel that Gyarados is a weak link in your team: it completely hates every form of residual damage, and you're throwing Sand to it yourself, while also running no Rapid Spinner to further aggravate the problem. My suggestion is to get rid of Gyarados, and substitute it for a Jellicent. Jellicent can better deal with Terrakion compared to Gyarados, although it's still not a full counter; it's immune to CC, takes nothing from X-Scissor and is neutral to Stone Edge. Also, it has Recover as reliable recovery source, which is invaluable with Sandstorm damage. It even provides you with a safer way to absorb (literally) Water attacks without risking a random burn from Scald, or a Hydro Pump CH destroying your resistor, and can act as a
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If you don't like Jellicent, other ideas to handle Terrakion can be some sort of Landorus-I or Landorus-T (both can hit hard with STAB Earthquake, the former being more offensively oriented with Sand Force / Sheer Force, while the latter being more supportish / defensive, with Intimidate that can prevent Stone Edge from 2HKOing), however that would require some serious reworking of the team since it would make you weak to Ice and to a lesser extent Water. Hope it helped! Good luck for your team.
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Oct 7th, 2012, 12:18:01 PM
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@Miles tails
Thx for giving me suggestions once again! So yur saying I need to switch my lead to Landorus-T? But isn't it slower than haxorus? Oh well, I guess I'll still have to give it a try :P @ganj4IF Yeah, I'll have to agree that Gyarados is a weak link in my team even tho in covers my weaknesses. I'll make changes as soon as I come back from bangkok! Thx a lot btw! :) |
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