(RU) Ultimate RU team! Please rate!

celever · Nov 3rd, 2012, 12:50:21 PM

Ok, first thing first, I need to give a shout-out to MikevdKraats, or on the forums, TeamEmpoleon, who actually helped me make this team. If it wasn't for him, then this team wouldn't exist. Neither would this thread, he just told me to post it here after I beat him the second time out of two!

Anyway... On with the team!

Ok, now that you know which Pokemon I'm using, I'll get right to their sets!

@Leftovers

Ability: Pressure

Pain split
Will-O-Wisp
Shadow sneak
Thunderpunch

HP 4
Atk 252
Def
Sp Atk
Sp Def
Spe 252
Nature: Jolly (+Speed, -Sp Atk)

A fairly simple burn spread pokemon. Although it is horribly slow the helpful nature and 252 EV's on speed help substaintially. Pain split is more a recovery move than a damaging attack, though in some situations it is a damn good attack attack too. Thunderpunch is there, because in adding Dusknoir we got rid of our only source of electricity, so it was between fire/ice/thunder punch and we chose thunder.
Shadow sneak is there for some good priority and STAB.

Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Golurk, Siglyph, Crawdaunt, Stored power, Crunch

@ Leftovers

Ability: Adaptability

Dragon Dance
Substitute
Waterfall
Crunch

HP 4
Atk
Def
Sp Atk
Sp Def 252
Spe 252
Nature: Jolly (+Speed, -Sp Atk)

Once again, you probably have doubt in your mind about Crawdaunt, but the only reason I see is it's Helpful nature and 252 ev's on speed and dragon dance. Crawdaunt is embarrassingly slow, we should all know that if we play RU, and Dragon dance helps more, but basically we need to get the substitute in quickly. Crawdaunt would be out-sped by Hypno, who would induce some kind of hax on it (probably sleep) as well as multiple other pokemon. Obviously, Status conditions don't effect substitute, meaning Crawdaunt can get at least one dragon dance in while the other pokemon takes the substitute down or switches, giving it two or more. One dragon dance is usually enough though, Crunch OHKO's Hypno after only one dragon dance, and then waterfall, with the large Atk stat, plus dragon dance and STAB 2HKO's at the most most neutral pokemon in RU/NU, making Crawdaunt immensely useful.

Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Boufallant, Bulky Steelix (surprisingly), Hitmonchan/lee, mach punch.

@Life orb

Ability: Pressure

Flamethrower
Protect
Roost
Hidden power grass

Hp 4
Atk
Def
Sp Atk 252
Sp Def
Spe 252
Nature: Timid (+Speed, -Attack)

Ok, this is far from the standard Moltres set, and I too questioned MikevdKraats when he mentioned protect, but when he said Roost it all made sense. Basically, you use roost a lot more than protect, but protect is actually really useful if against a trapper or if running out of PP for roost. Another thing with this particular pokemon is the EV spread. We both felt Moltres needed more the 4 EV's For HP, but he wanted 252 for speed, so I decided that we could give it 34 HP, 222 speed and then a helpful nature, making it like 252 speed, if not more with higher HP. Those HP EV's saved Moltres multiple times actually, and it worked incredibly well! Hidden power Grass is for the rock types.

Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Stealth rock, Boufallant, Stone edge.

@ Miracle seed

Ability: Own tempo

Quiver dance
Sleep Powder
Hidden power Rock
Petal dance

Hp
Atk
Def
Sp Atk 252
Sp Def 4
Spe 252

Nature: Timid (+Speed, -Atk)

After you think you've used enough Quiver dances, the use petal dance! Hidden power rock is there for coverage. Not much more to say. And, last but most certainly not least, the pokemon I made entirely by myself (since MikevdKraats wanted to test me, but did give me the pokemon itself), SLOWKING!!!

Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Cryogonal, Ice beam, Megahorn.

@ Leftovers

Ability: Regenerator

Slack off
Substitute
Calm mind
Surf

Hp 252
Atk
Def 252
Sp Atk 4
Sp Def
Spe
Nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk)

As previously mentioned, this pokemon I made myself. I said to MikevdKraats: 'Ok, now I want a staller. Who do you think the best staller in Ru is?' He said: 'Slowking.' So I said: 'Ok.. First attack?' He then told me to do it myself and he'd test it after. So, I made this set, and he actually says it's the best in the whole party, which I was pretty pleased with. On the second battle, I got down 4 of his team with Slowking, there was 4 left when I sent it out. MikevdKraats actually said he could see no flaw with this pokemon, so I am extremely happy with this! Oh, and I fell that for the purpose of showing how great Slowking is, I'd post a clip of an incredible comeback performed by it!
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru3930814
Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Butterfree (But he isn't common!)

@ Expert belt

Ability: Iron fist

Rapid spin
Drain Punch
Ice Punch
Thunderpunch

Hp 4
Atk 252
Def
Sp Atk
SP Def
Spe 252
Nature: Adamant

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! After vigorous testing, Hitmonchan came out on top and is our official rapid spinner! Hitmonchan goes with this team more, after getting rid of Rotom, we had only one move of the electric typing, and no combating Qwilfish after Dusknoir went down, however Hitmonchan saves this by learning thunderpunch as well! Ice punch is there so we have an ice attack as well, and it actually ends up my neutral attack most of the time! I had a bit of a dilemma over mach punch or drain punch, but I picked drain punch since as a spinner he'll be switching onto hazards a lot, and so needs a recovery. Obviously drain punch isn't a massively reliable recovery, bu there aren't many that are to be honest! The EV's and nature are what they are because Hitmonchan packs a punch, and when he uses it it needs to hurt! Besides, that's actually similar to a real boxing match, you mainly need strength and speed, but stamina (HP) too. Don't why i said that but I did, so live with it! XD

Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Braviary.

Worries:
You can't take down a pokemon once it manages to set up.

Anyway, that is the end of this team. I sincerely hope for good feedback and hope you enjoy this thread!

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 3rd, 2012, 12:58:36 PM

Great! Great! Great!
I really love this team, even though I have changed a few pokemons. You actually should mention Stealth Rock & Bouffalant are immense threats to Moltres, but for the rest, great thread about one of the best RU Team in my opinion!

Succesful team is succesful. When I said the team had no flaws, I did not mean it was 100% perfect, as there are maybe some flaws we did not have noticed yet.

You also should look out for any counters against Dodrio. Electric/Ice/Rock is an killer for Dodrio. When OHKO`d the battle is gotten alot harder. Really.

As you said in our Showdown chat, Lilligant is Rarely/Never-used in our battles. Mainly because Moltres/Slowking/Dodrio got everything!

Well, I hope you enjoy RU alot more now! It will be a battle for the top of the ladder in RU!

Louiss · Nov 3rd, 2012, 2:06:54 PM

Ok. So there are some changes I would implement on your pokemon, mainly being the EV spread. you seem to just play around with defensive EV's, but the key to bulk on both Def and SDef is investing in HP. Also, you've broke the law of EV's; a EV investment on a certain stat must be divisible by 4, otherwise you're wasting EV's.

Anyways, since Rotom seems a offensive pokemon with 4 direct moves, it would be better if you change his EV spread into: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / Spd. This way he outspeeds way more pokemon and he is more efficient than with your current spread.

Next is Crawdaunt. His moveset seems very inefficient with his EV spread. It is hard to tell whether your using it as a special wall or not, but looking at the moveset you're using it as an offensive attacker. This is why you should change his spread into: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd. It gives him way more power. Also very important, you should change his ability to Adaptability. This grants him alot more power for his two STAB moves!

Now, onto Moltres. Protect + Roost doesn't make sense at all in my opinion. I'm sorry if im being rude, but really, in the slot of Protect there could be a way more useful move. His EV spread should be changed into max Spd max SAtk, those 34 EV's in HP are just a waste of speed and will be a disadvantage for Moltres. If you really want that 34 EV's in HP, I'd suggest you get those out of SAtk.

Then, Dodrio. This is the disgrace of the team. The idea of a Choice Banded Dodrio is just fine, but really, there is a waaaaayyy more better set than you are running. Also, to a frail pokemon as Dodrio, speed is crucial. This is why he should have max Spd max Atk. As it is now it gets outsped by a majority of pokemon and he'll get swept really fast. I will post a summary of changes in the end of this post where I will adress this better set.

Now, Lilligant. Not much to say about it, although Synthesis seems a bit redundant. Since he'll be locked into Petal Dance, it is most likely that he gets swept before you get to Synthesis. In this slot there could be a move for better coverage, such as Hidden Power. Also, Timid would be the most effective Nature on Lilligant.

Last is Slowking. Again, you're playing around with EV's. It seems that you want to use it as a mixed defensive pokemon, so it'd be better if it was changed into: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60, with a Calm Nature. Also, Regenerator is the best abillity for Slowking.

Important: Summary of changes.

sets / importable

Dodrio is way more useful now. By using Thrash 2-3 times he will get confused, which activates his Tangled Feet ability. This way, Dodrio has a higher change to dodge an attack and has more survivability chance. On Moltres you could either run Air Slash or Hurricane, whatever you prefer, Accuracy or Power.

So that was my rate. After you've implemented these changes it will be alot better, but still far from perfect. There really aremore changes that would make it more useful, such as different pokemons / sets. This team has many weaknesses if you ask me. I'll leave those things to another rater :)

Anyways GL with this team and i hope this helped :D!

celever · Nov 3rd, 2012, 4:34:48 PM

Thanks Louiss, although I disagree with a couple of your changes, I think that team is quite a bit better. One thing I should say is that I'm not going to change protect, oddly enough protect is incredibly useful on Moltres, don't ask me why, it just seems to work. Also, I don't see the point in giving dodrio any more attacks, as stated previously it is a kamikaze and should be treated as such, although I will put in the EV's you declared. Of course adaptability would be great on crawdaunt, but it's it's hidden ability, and so can't be learned with the set, and the set is perfect! Synthesis was mainly to make up for the damage lost from substitute, but I see where you're going with HP rock and will use it, thanks! :) I'll be making the changes now! I've just done a battle with them and those EV's are a lot better, thanks!

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 3rd, 2012, 6:40:10 PM

I tried up using the Kamikaze Dodrio as the Thrash Dodrio. It really sucked. I also don`t prefer another moveset. For any of those Pokémons.

Protect just works out great and can be used for alot of times.

And also; Dodrio with Thrash isn`t "useful". No, not at all. It only confuses you and damages you in confusion! That`s just completely useless.

In the EVs there may be flaws; but in every tactic/strategy there are flaws.

I can see why you use the HP Rock. It covers the weakness against Fire. But there aren`t any real big deals in the Fire type in RU. Except for Moltres, but he is in the RU of RU.

Louiss · Nov 4th, 2012, 12:07:10 AM

HP Rock covers all of Lilligant's weaknesses. There are no fire threats? Nope. Magmortar is not a threat at all. Synthesis is just a waste since one coverage move is just bad. If Dodrio with Thrash sucks, then why are you using Lilligant with Petal Dance?

celever · Nov 4th, 2012, 3:43:11 AM

Because Lilligant has own tempo, a.k.a, unable to be confused. I've used your EV's and I seem to be losing more, as well as needing synthesis quite frequently on Lilligant, sorry, but I'm changing it back, minus Dodrio's EV's and obviously Crawdaunt and adaptability, I thought it was illegal with the set but it isn't. I admit that Dodrio is a bit of a weak link in some situations, but MikevdKraats was so adamant to put him in, and he works well in a lot of situations. Not many people go on here do they?

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 4th, 2012, 4:20:41 AM

You can change Dodrio as well. Yet, Dodrio is the strongest in alot of situations. How? Because alot of Pokémons are weak against Flying types.

By the way, thank you guys for giving 6 Luvdiscs! We really appreciate it!

celever · Nov 4th, 2012, 4:28:38 AM

I'm not sure what to change Dodrio into though. Maybe my NU Altaria? I'll give it a shot.

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 4th, 2012, 4:31:39 AM

As long as you have an strong move, which never misses, which is effective against alot of Pokemons.

Your NU Altaria sounds good, but we already have Slowking to stall. Should we battle now to see if NU Altaria works out better than Kamikaze Dodrio?

celever · Nov 4th, 2012, 5:39:36 AM

I've played a couple of battles with Altaria, and have decided to switch Dodrio out for it, unless I have negative feedback. I know that TeamEmpoleon made an edited team and kept Dodrio on, but is now switching that with Crawdaunt. I am also putting a checks and counters section.

New Breed · Nov 4th, 2012, 6:00:43 AM

Okay I'm not sure why you even posted a RMT if your not going to take the people who have rated this team's good advice but anyway I highly suggest you make these changes to your team:

Rotom-C

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Crawdaunt

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Moltres

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Dodrio

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Lilligant

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Slowking

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So I seriously hope you take these suggestions on board as I am 100% sure it will greatly improve your team.

Silvershadow234 · Nov 4th, 2012, 6:04:28 AM

Hi there. This is a really solid team, however there are a few weaknesses.

Firstly, you seem really weak to Stealth Rock, as both Moltres and Dodrio have a weakness to it. To fix this issue, I recommend running Sandslash over Lilligant. Sandslash has Stealth Rock that helps Moltres to gain some key ko's, and breaks Focus Sashes and Sturdy, and Rapid Spin keeps Dodrio and Moltres alive for much longer. I feel as though Lilligant is redundant with Rotom-C as a grass type, although if you prefer Lilligant's sweeping prowess you could put sandslash over rotom-c.

Another mon I'd like to propose id Dusknoir. Dusknoir is the best spin-blocker in RU ATM, as it easily beats Cryogonal, Sandslash and can beat Kabutops as well. I'd put him over Slowking, as Dusknoir is a great staller much like Slowking, and can also stop your hazards from being spun away.

Here are the sets:

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GL and I hope I helped. Luvdisc. Also, if you don't want to take my advice, NewBreed has given you some great tips.

Louiss · Nov 4th, 2012, 6:12:57 AM

To a pokemon of the poison type for example I'd rather go for Thrash than get a large amount of recoil.. in other circumstance Brave Bird might be better than Thrash because Thrash locks you into it and gets you confused, but having Thrash would prepare you for alot more.

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 4th, 2012, 6:17:36 AM

False. Thrash only confuses you and does nothing, except for having the chance you get killed immediatly. Also, Brave Bird is effective against alot of Pokémons! Thrash is the most useless move I have ever used. Okay, only Splash is more useless, but Thrash is still useless.

Louiss · Nov 4th, 2012, 6:22:39 AM

After seeing all these posts saying that the changes we adressed aren't good, a question comes to mind. Like NewBreed said, why are you posting a RMT if you aren't going to take any changes we suggested you? We're only trying to help, but it seems that you do not even consider these suggestions..

kland · Nov 4th, 2012, 6:23:19 AM

teamempoleon as much as much as new breed rules he's laddered first on ru many times on ps and he is one of the leadering lu and nu players on po the reason 4 attacks imrpove a pokemon is that pursuit allows you to trap pokemon and ko and return gets rid of rcoil when the brave bird is not needed

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 4th, 2012, 6:39:59 AM

btw This is the Importable

Code:

Dusknoir (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Pain Split
- Will-O-Wisp
- Shadow Sneak
- ThunderPunch

Crawdaunt (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Adaptability
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- Waterfall
- Crunch

Moltres (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 34 HP / 252 SAtk / 222 Spe
Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Flamethrower
- Protect
- Roost
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Lilligant (F) @ Miracle Seed
Trait: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spe
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Quiver Dance
- Substitute
- Synthesis
- Petal Dance

Slowking (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Slack Off
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Psychic

Hitmonchan (M) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Iron Fist
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Rapid Spin
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Thunder Punch

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 4th, 2012, 7:20:54 AM

Threat list WIP:

Code:

DUSKNOIR TRAITS:
 Golurk: Dusknoir/Lilligant/Crawdaunt
 Sigilyph: Lilligant/Dusknoir
 Crawdaunt: Lilligant
 Clefable: Sandslash (Brick Break)
 Gallade: Dusknoir
 Aerodactyl: Lilligant/Crawdaunt
 Archeops: Crawdaunt/Lilligant
 Drapion: Sandslash
 Druddigon: -
 Feraligatr: Lilligant
 Manectric: Sandslash
 Sceptile: Moltres

CRAWDAUNT TRAITS:

 Bouffalant: -
 Steelix: Moltres 
 Hitmonchan: Dodrio/Slowking 
 Hitmonlee: Dodrio/Slowking 
MOLTRES TRAITS:
 Aerodactyl: Crawdaunt
 Aggron: Crawdaunt
 Archeops: Crawdaunt
 Bouffalant: -
 Crustle: Crawdaunt
 Entei: Crawdaunt
 Ferroseed: Moltres
 Gallade: Dodrio
 Hariyama: Dodrio/Slowking
 Kabutops: Lilligant
 Nidoqueen: Slowking
 Omastar: Lilligant
 Primeape: Dodrio/Slowking
 Quagsire: Lilligant
 Rhydon: Lilligant/Crawdaunt
 Sandslash: Lilligant/Crawdaunt
 Steelix: Moltres

LILLIGANT TRAITS:
 Cryogonal: Moltres 
 Bouffalant: -
 Aggron: Crawdaunt 
 Clefable: -
 Crawdaunt: Lilligant
 Dusknoir: Crawdaunt
 Feraligatr: Lilligant
 Jynx: Moltres/Crawdaunt
 Kabutops: Lilligant
 Lanturn: Lilligant
 Mesprit: - 
 Munchlax: -
 Nidoqueen: Slowking
 Omastar: Lilligant
 Poliwrath: Lilligant
 Quagsire: Lilligant
 Qwilfish: Lilligant
 Rhydon: Lilligant/Crawdaunt
 Sigilyph: Crawdaunt
 Slowking: Lilligant/Crawdaunt
 Escavalier: Moltres


SLOWKING TRAITS:
Butterfree: Moltres 
SANDSHREW TRAITS:

:D

celever · Nov 4th, 2012, 11:36:02 AM

Thanks for all the advice guys, some of your ideas sound pretty good. So, I'll switch rotom-mow to either sandslash or dusknoir. I'd like to know personally which you think is better/suits the team better. I can't make my mind up, Sandslash supports Moltres well while Dusknoir gets rid of my team's biggest threat, Cryogonal. The list of things I will and won't do will be too long, so I'll need to edit the OP with the changes. I'll just say this: Crawdaunt's ability is adaptability, and Slowking's is adaptability, I thought it was illegal with their sets for some reason but it isn't! Very much appreciated tips, and especially appreciated 9 luvdiscs! Also Dodrio has officially become Altaria, so please put tips on Altaria instead. I just have to add that I'm going with you on Lilligant, the main reason why I needed synthesis was due substitute, but switching substitute for sleep powder sounds so much better! Do you want to keep the natures on the pokemon the same though? (Other than Lilligant obviously) I'll put in DUsknoir for now, since when you switch Moltres in he can use Roost, this is especially good if the opponent switches.

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 4th, 2012, 12:21:48 PM

The main threat of this team is Bouffalant, not Cryogonal. Moltres is the counter against Cryogonal. Bouffalant has no counter. We should think about Bouffalant, as Moltres easily destroys Cryogonal. Except when he`s fainted.

hunkk301 · Nov 4th, 2012, 2:27:51 PM

you should really add dusclops with will o wisp, and pain split, (shadow sneak and seismic toss is what i recommend but whatever fills your needs on the team), also, if you are going for sandslash,the set could be rapid spin, stone edge and earthquake for great coverage and swords dance or night slash to kill ghost types easily.

celever · Nov 4th, 2012, 2:30:55 PM

Lol, I did his Dusknoir set minus seismic toss and rapid spin and stone edge on Sandslash's. I'd have like Dusclops too but he's actually UU, his evolved form is RU. You'd have to be an idiot to let Dusclops evolve!

TeamEmpoleon · Nov 4th, 2012, 2:33:28 PM

Updated the Importable + Threat List :3

celever · Nov 4th, 2012, 3:53:44 PM

I'll be updating the OP vigorously, so please give me feedback on ways to improve the team, I'll be trying lots of things out. I have most of the pokemon sorted, in fact, it's just one slot, the slot for rapid spinners. I'm currently trying out hitmonchan, I'll put it in the OP shortly if he seems to work out.

:O Seventeen Luvdiscs!? That is just spectacular! Thanks to everybody who voted!

Nov 3rd, 2012, 12:50:21 PM	#1
celever Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,059 I HATE COD	Ultimate RU team! Please rate! Ok, first thing first, I need to give a shout-out to MikevdKraats, or on the forums, TeamEmpoleon, who actually helped me make this team. If it wasn't for him, then this team wouldn't exist. Neither would this thread, he just told me to post it here after I beat him the second time out of two! Anyway... On with the team! Ok, now that you know which Pokemon I'm using, I'll get right to their sets! @Leftovers Ability: Pressure Pain split Will-O-Wisp Shadow sneak Thunderpunch HP 4 Atk 252 Def Sp Atk Sp Def Spe 252 Nature: Jolly (+Speed, -Sp Atk) A fairly simple burn spread pokemon. Although it is horribly slow the helpful nature and 252 EV's on speed help substaintially. Pain split is more a recovery move than a damaging attack, though in some situations it is a damn good attack attack too. Thunderpunch is there, because in adding Dusknoir we got rid of our only source of electricity, so it was between fire/ice/thunder punch and we chose thunder. Shadow sneak is there for some good priority and STAB. Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Golurk, Siglyph, Crawdaunt, Stored power, Crunch @ Leftovers Ability: Adaptability Dragon Dance Substitute Waterfall Crunch HP 4 Atk Def Sp Atk Sp Def 252 Spe 252 Nature: Jolly (+Speed, -Sp Atk) Once again, you probably have doubt in your mind about Crawdaunt, but the only reason I see is it's Helpful nature and 252 ev's on speed and dragon dance. Crawdaunt is embarrassingly slow, we should all know that if we play RU, and Dragon dance helps more, but basically we need to get the substitute in quickly. Crawdaunt would be out-sped by Hypno, who would induce some kind of hax on it (probably sleep) as well as multiple other pokemon. Obviously, Status conditions don't effect substitute, meaning Crawdaunt can get at least one dragon dance in while the other pokemon takes the substitute down or switches, giving it two or more. One dragon dance is usually enough though, Crunch OHKO's Hypno after only one dragon dance, and then waterfall, with the large Atk stat, plus dragon dance and STAB 2HKO's at the most most neutral pokemon in RU/NU, making Crawdaunt immensely useful. Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Boufallant, Bulky Steelix (surprisingly), Hitmonchan/lee, mach punch. @Life orb Ability: Pressure Flamethrower Protect Roost Hidden power grass Hp 4 Atk Def Sp Atk 252 Sp Def Spe 252 Nature: Timid (+Speed, -Attack) Ok, this is far from the standard Moltres set, and I too questioned MikevdKraats when he mentioned protect, but when he said Roost it all made sense. Basically, you use roost a lot more than protect, but protect is actually really useful if against a trapper or if running out of PP for roost. Another thing with this particular pokemon is the EV spread. We both felt Moltres needed more the 4 EV's For HP, but he wanted 252 for speed, so I decided that we could give it 34 HP, 222 speed and then a helpful nature, making it like 252 speed, if not more with higher HP. Those HP EV's saved Moltres multiple times actually, and it worked incredibly well! Hidden power Grass is for the rock types. Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Stealth rock, Boufallant, Stone edge. @ Miracle seed Ability: Own tempo Quiver dance Sleep Powder Hidden power Rock Petal dance Hp Atk Def Sp Atk 252 Sp Def 4 Spe 252 Nature: Timid (+Speed, -Atk) After you think you've used enough Quiver dances, the use petal dance! Hidden power rock is there for coverage. Not much more to say. And, last but most certainly not least, the pokemon I made entirely by myself (since MikevdKraats wanted to test me, but did give me the pokemon itself), SLOWKING!!! Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Cryogonal, Ice beam, Megahorn. @ Leftovers Ability: Regenerator Slack off Substitute Calm mind Surf Hp 252 Atk Def 252 Sp Atk 4 Sp Def Spe Nature: Bold (+Def, -Atk) As previously mentioned, this pokemon I made myself. I said to MikevdKraats: 'Ok, now I want a staller. Who do you think the best staller in Ru is?' He said: 'Slowking.' So I said: 'Ok.. First attack?' He then told me to do it myself and he'd test it after. So, I made this set, and he actually says it's the best in the whole party, which I was pretty pleased with. On the second battle, I got down 4 of his team with Slowking, there was 4 left when I sent it out. MikevdKraats actually said he could see no flaw with this pokemon, so I am extremely happy with this! Oh, and I fell that for the purpose of showing how great Slowking is, I'd post a clip of an incredible comeback performed by it! http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ru3930814 Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Butterfree (But he isn't common!) @ Expert belt Ability: Iron fist Rapid spin Drain Punch Ice Punch Thunderpunch Hp 4 Atk 252 Def Sp Atk SP Def Spe 252 Nature: Adamant Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! After vigorous testing, Hitmonchan came out on top and is our official rapid spinner! Hitmonchan goes with this team more, after getting rid of Rotom, we had only one move of the electric typing, and no combating Qwilfish after Dusknoir went down, however Hitmonchan saves this by learning thunderpunch as well! Ice punch is there so we have an ice attack as well, and it actually ends up my neutral attack most of the time! I had a bit of a dilemma over mach punch or drain punch, but I picked drain punch since as a spinner he'll be switching onto hazards a lot, and so needs a recovery. Obviously drain punch isn't a massively reliable recovery, bu there aren't many that are to be honest! The EV's and nature are what they are because Hitmonchan packs a punch, and when he uses it it needs to hurt! Besides, that's actually similar to a real boxing match, you mainly need strength and speed, but stamina (HP) too. Don't why i said that but I did, so live with it! XD Pokemon/moves to watch out for: Braviary. Worries: You can't take down a pokemon once it manages to set up. Anyway, that is the end of this team. I sincerely hope for good feedback and hope you enjoy this thread! Last edited by celever; Nov 7th, 2012 at 4:18:26 PM.

Nov 3rd, 2012, 12:58:36 PM	#2
TeamEmpoleon Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 the Netherlands	Great! Great! Great! I really love this team, even though I have changed a few pokemons. You actually should mention Stealth Rock & Bouffalant are immense threats to Moltres, but for the rest, great thread about one of the best RU Team in my opinion! Succesful team is succesful. When I said the team had no flaws, I did not mean it was 100% perfect, as there are maybe some flaws we did not have noticed yet. You also should look out for any counters against Dodrio. Electric/Ice/Rock is an killer for Dodrio. When OHKO`d the battle is gotten alot harder. Really. As you said in our Showdown chat, Lilligant is Rarely/Never-used in our battles. Mainly because Moltres/Slowking/Dodrio got everything! Well, I hope you enjoy RU alot more now! It will be a battle for the top of the ladder in RU! __________________ Pokecommunity name: TeamEmpoleon Pokemon Showdown name: MikevdKraats You can always battle me at PS for a Random/OU Battle! Last edited by TeamEmpoleon; Nov 3rd, 2012 at 1:16:32 PM.

Nov 3rd, 2012, 2:06:54 PM	#3
Louiss Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 21	Ok. So there are some changes I would implement on your pokemon, mainly being the EV spread. you seem to just play around with defensive EV's, but the key to bulk on both Def and SDef is investing in HP. Also, you've broke the law of EV's; a EV investment on a certain stat must be divisible by 4, otherwise you're wasting EV's. Anyways, since Rotom seems a offensive pokemon with 4 direct moves, it would be better if you change his EV spread into: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / Spd. This way he outspeeds way more pokemon and he is more efficient than with your current spread. Next is Crawdaunt. His moveset seems very inefficient with his EV spread. It is hard to tell whether your using it as a special wall or not, but looking at the moveset you're using it as an offensive attacker. This is why you should change his spread into: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd. It gives him way more power. Also very important, you should change his ability to Adaptability. This grants him alot more power for his two STAB moves! Now, onto Moltres. Protect + Roost doesn't make sense at all in my opinion. I'm sorry if im being rude, but really, in the slot of Protect there could be a way more useful move. His EV spread should be changed into max Spd max SAtk, those 34 EV's in HP are just a waste of speed and will be a disadvantage for Moltres. If you really want that 34 EV's in HP, I'd suggest you get those out of SAtk. Then, Dodrio. This is the disgrace of the team. The idea of a Choice Banded Dodrio is just fine, but really, there is a waaaaayyy more better set than you are running. Also, to a frail pokemon as Dodrio, speed is crucial. This is why he should have max Spd max Atk. As it is now it gets outsped by a majority of pokemon and he'll get swept really fast. I will post a summary of changes in the end of this post where I will adress this better set. Now, Lilligant. Not much to say about it, although Synthesis seems a bit redundant. Since he'll be locked into Petal Dance, it is most likely that he gets swept before you get to Synthesis. In this slot there could be a move for better coverage, such as Hidden Power. Also, Timid would be the most effective Nature on Lilligant. Last is Slowking. Again, you're playing around with EV's. It seems that you want to use it as a mixed defensive pokemon, so it'd be better if it was changed into: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60, with a Calm Nature. Also, Regenerator is the best abillity for Slowking. *Important: Summary of changes.* sets / importable Rotom-Mow @ Sitrus Berry Trait: Levitate EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Leaf Storm - Thunderbolt - Hidden Power [Water] - Volt Switch Moltres @ Life Orb Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Timid Nature - Flamethrower - Roost - Hurricane - Hidden Power [Grass] Lilligant (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Chlorophyll EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Timid Nature - Petal Dance - Quiver Dance - Substitute - Hidden Power [Rock] Slowking @ Leftovers Trait: Regenerator EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 SDef Calm Nature - Calm Mind - Psychic - Slack Off - Substitute Dodrio @ Choice Band Trait: Tangled Feet EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP Jolly Nature - Thrash - Brave Bird - Pursuit - Quick Attack Crawdaunt @ Leftovers Trait: Adaptability EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP Jolly Nature - Waterfall - Crunch - Dragon Dance - Substitute Dodrio is way more useful now. By using Thrash 2-3 times he will get confused, which activates his Tangled Feet ability. This way, Dodrio has a higher change to dodge an attack and has more survivability chance. On Moltres you could either run Air Slash or Hurricane, whatever you prefer, Accuracy or Power. So that was my rate. After you've implemented these changes it will be alot better, but still far from perfect. There really aremore changes that would make it more useful, such as different pokemons / sets. This team has many weaknesses if you ask me. I'll leave those things to another rater :) Anyways GL with this team and i hope this helped :D! __________________ Louiss \| 4771-3056-7299 BW. NU is the home tier, mainly playing on PS.

Nov 3rd, 2012, 6:40:10 PM	#5
TeamEmpoleon Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 the Netherlands	I tried up using the Kamikaze Dodrio as the Thrash Dodrio. It really sucked. I also don`t prefer another moveset. For any of those Pokémons. Protect just works out great and can be used for alot of times. And also; Dodrio with Thrash isn`t "useful". No, not at all. It only confuses you and damages you in confusion! That`s just completely useless. In the EVs there may be flaws; but in every tactic/strategy there are flaws. I can see why you use the HP Rock. It covers the weakness against Fire. But there aren`t any real big deals in the Fire type in RU. Except for Moltres, but he is in the RU of RU. __________________ Pokecommunity name: TeamEmpoleon Pokemon Showdown name: MikevdKraats You can always battle me at PS for a Random/OU Battle!

Nov 4th, 2012, 12:07:10 AM	#6
Louiss Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 21	HP Rock covers all of Lilligant's weaknesses. There are no fire threats? Nope. Magmortar is not a threat at all. Synthesis is just a waste since one coverage move is just bad. If Dodrio with Thrash sucks, then why are you using Lilligant with Petal Dance? __________________ Louiss \| 4771-3056-7299 BW. NU is the home tier, mainly playing on PS.

Nov 3rd, 2012, 4:34:48 PM	#4
celever Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,059 I HATE COD	Thanks Louiss, although I disagree with a couple of your changes, I think that team is quite a bit better. One thing I should say is that I'm not going to change protect, oddly enough protect is incredibly useful on Moltres, don't ask me why, it just seems to work. Also, I don't see the point in giving dodrio any more attacks, as stated previously it is a kamikaze and should be treated as such, although I will put in the EV's you declared. Of course adaptability would be great on crawdaunt, but it's it's hidden ability, and so can't be learned with the set, and the set is perfect! Synthesis was mainly to make up for the damage lost from substitute, but I see where you're going with HP rock and will use it, thanks! :) I'll be making the changes now! I've just done a battle with them and those EV's are a lot better, thanks!

Nov 4th, 2012, 3:43:11 AM	#7
celever Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,059 I HATE COD	Because Lilligant has own tempo, a.k.a, unable to be confused. I've used your EV's and I seem to be losing more, as well as needing synthesis quite frequently on Lilligant, sorry, but I'm changing it back, minus Dodrio's EV's and obviously Crawdaunt and adaptability, I thought it was illegal with the set but it isn't. I admit that Dodrio is a bit of a weak link in some situations, but MikevdKraats was so adamant to put him in, and he works well in a lot of situations. Not many people go on here do they?

Nov 4th, 2012, 4:20:41 AM	#8
TeamEmpoleon Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 the Netherlands	You can change Dodrio as well. Yet, Dodrio is the strongest in alot of situations. How? Because alot of Pokémons are weak against Flying types. By the way, thank you guys for giving 6 Luvdiscs! We really appreciate it! __________________ Pokecommunity name: TeamEmpoleon Pokemon Showdown name: MikevdKraats You can always battle me at PS for a Random/OU Battle!

Nov 4th, 2012, 4:28:38 AM	#9
celever Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,059 I HATE COD	I'm not sure what to change Dodrio into though. Maybe my NU Altaria? I'll give it a shot.

Nov 4th, 2012, 4:31:39 AM	#10
TeamEmpoleon Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 the Netherlands	As long as you have an strong move, which never misses, which is effective against alot of Pokemons. Your NU Altaria sounds good, but we already have Slowking to stall. Should we battle now to see if NU Altaria works out better than Kamikaze Dodrio? __________________ Pokecommunity name: TeamEmpoleon Pokemon Showdown name: MikevdKraats You can always battle me at PS for a Random/OU Battle!

Nov 4th, 2012, 5:39:36 AM	#11
celever Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,059 I HATE COD	I've played a couple of battles with Altaria, and have decided to switch Dodrio out for it, unless I have negative feedback. I know that TeamEmpoleon made an edited team and kept Dodrio on, but is now switching that with Crawdaunt. I am also putting a checks and counters section.

Nov 4th, 2012, 6:00:43 AM	#12
New Breed Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 156	Okay I'm not sure why you even posted a RMT if your not going to take the people who have rated this team's good advice but anyway I highly suggest you make these changes to your team: Rotom-C ... Change the Ev's on Rotom-C to 80 Hp/252 Spa/176 Spe and the item to Leftovers , as the current spread your running makes almost no sense and those speed ev's you currently have hit no speed tier, 176 Speed at least allows you to outspeed Nidoqueen. Leftovers is also a much better item than Sitrus Berry as it continues to heal Rotom-C and with smart switching it is quite easy to gain your health back. Also change Hidden Power Water to Hidden Power Ice or Fire, most fire types in the tier will outspeed you and KO you anyway before you can hit it with a Hidden Power Water, Hidden Power Ice lets you hit Grass types and also Nidoqueen for supper effective damage, Hidden Power Fire lets you hit Steel Types like Escavalier very hard. Crawdaunt ... Okay so Louiss already gave you the correct set for Crawdaunt but you still need to change the ability from Shell Armour to Adaptability, this will allow Crawdaunt to hit much harder and is hands down the best ability for Crawdaunt. Moltres ... Okay for Moltres, firstly fix up those Ev's 252 Spa/252 Spe/4 Def is the optimal Ev spread for Moltres and this is what you should be using. I highly suggest Hurricane over Protect, Hurricane is probably the best move Moltres gets and allows it break almost every single wall in the tier, Protect accomplishes nothing other than PP stalling and if your not using Hurricane I see no reason as to why your using over other Fire types in the tier, especially with no Rapid Spin user. Dodrio ... Okay so refusing to put 4 moves on a Pokemon is pretty stupid idea imo, having 4 attacks on a Pokemon only IMPROVES the Pokemon and will do you no harm at all, I suggest you use the set Louiss suggested and if you don't like the Thrash confusion use Return over it. Lilligant ... Okay the Ev's for this set are correct, well done. I suggest using Sleep Powder over Substitute as this will let you put a potential counter to sleep, which will also give your Rotom-C an easier time. I also suggest using Hidden Power Rock over Synthesis, sure Lilligant will be boosting it's Sdef but it will still remain physically frail, Hidden Power Rock lets you decimate the Fire types in the tier that hope to stop your sweep. I also suggest you change your nature from Modest to Timid, this will allow Lilligant to outspeed most of the tier after just one boost. Slowking ... Okay so you say Slowking is the best Pokemon in your team, well luckily for you I have a way to make your Slowking set even better, yes thats right! Please please please change Slowkings ability from Own Tempo to Regenerator, Own Tempo has little to no use and Regenerator heals you every time you switch out. Also fix up those Ev's, your using a CM set so those Sdef Ev's are not needed, I suggest an Ev spread of 252 Hp/252 Def/4 Spa this will allow to Slowking to extremely bulky after 1 Calm Mind. I suggest you use Surf over Substitute , Slowking is one of the slowest Pokemon in the whole tier and will be hit with an attack and/or status move before it can even use Substitute. I also suggest you change Psychic to Psyshock, this will allow you to hit the special walls that try to wall you extremely hard. So I seriously hope you take these suggestions on board as I am 100% sure it will greatly improve your team. __________________ burgled

Nov 4th, 2012, 6:04:28 AM	#13
Silvershadow234 is MANLY Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 427 England	Hi there. This is a really solid team, however there are a few weaknesses. Firstly, you seem really weak to Stealth Rock, as both Moltres and Dodrio have a weakness to it. To fix this issue, I recommend running Sandslash over Lilligant. Sandslash has Stealth Rock that helps Moltres to gain some key ko's, and breaks Focus Sashes and Sturdy, and Rapid Spin keeps Dodrio and Moltres alive for much longer. I feel as though Lilligant is redundant with Rotom-C as a grass type, although if you prefer Lilligant's sweeping prowess you could put sandslash over rotom-c. Another mon I'd like to propose id Dusknoir. Dusknoir is the best spin-blocker in RU ATM, as it easily beats Cryogonal, Sandslash and can beat Kabutops as well. I'd put him over Slowking, as Dusknoir is a great staller much like Slowking, and can also stop your hazards from being spun away. Here are the sets: ... Dusknoir @ Leftovers Trait: Pressure EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef Impish Nature - Shadow Sneak - Shadow Punch - Pain Split - Will-O-Wisp Sandslash @ Leftovers Trait: Sand Rush EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd Impish Nature - Bulldoze - Rapid Spin - Stealth Rock - Stone Edge GL and I hope I helped. Luvdisc. Also, if you don't want to take my advice, NewBreed has given you some great tips. __________________ <&imanalt> i woudl fuck my cat, but my dick is bigger than she is iSkylight I think I find ducks sexually appealing idek VM or PM me for a BW2 UU / RU rate

Nov 4th, 2012, 6:12:57 AM	#14
Louiss Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 21	To a pokemon of the poison type for example I'd rather go for Thrash than get a large amount of recoil.. in other circumstance Brave Bird might be better than Thrash because Thrash locks you into it and gets you confused, but having Thrash would prepare you for alot more. __________________ Louiss \| 4771-3056-7299 BW. NU is the home tier, mainly playing on PS.

Nov 4th, 2012, 6:17:36 AM	#15
TeamEmpoleon Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 the Netherlands	False. Thrash only confuses you and does nothing, except for having the chance you get killed immediatly. Also, Brave Bird is effective against alot of Pokémons! Thrash is the most useless move I have ever used. Okay, only Splash is more useless, but Thrash is still useless. __________________ Pokecommunity name: TeamEmpoleon Pokemon Showdown name: MikevdKraats You can always battle me at PS for a Random/OU Battle!

Nov 4th, 2012, 6:22:39 AM	#16
Louiss Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 21	After seeing all these posts saying that the changes we adressed aren't good, a question comes to mind. Like NewBreed said, why are you posting a RMT if you aren't going to take any changes we suggested you? We're only trying to help, but it seems that you do not even consider these suggestions.. __________________ Louiss \| 4771-3056-7299 BW. NU is the home tier, mainly playing on PS.

Nov 4th, 2012, 6:23:19 AM	#17
kland Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3	teamempoleon as much as much as new breed rules he's laddered first on ru many times on ps and he is one of the leadering lu and nu players on po the reason 4 attacks imrpove a pokemon is that pursuit allows you to trap pokemon and ko and return gets rid of rcoil when the brave bird is not needed Last edited by mostwanted; Nov 4th, 2012 at 10:40:10 AM.

Nov 4th, 2012, 11:36:02 AM	#20
celever Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,059 I HATE COD	Thanks for all the advice guys, some of your ideas sound pretty good. So, I'll switch rotom-mow to either sandslash or dusknoir. I'd like to know personally which you think is better/suits the team better. I can't make my mind up, Sandslash supports Moltres well while Dusknoir gets rid of my team's biggest threat, Cryogonal. The list of things I will and won't do will be too long, so I'll need to edit the OP with the changes. I'll just say this: Crawdaunt's ability is adaptability, and Slowking's is adaptability, I thought it was illegal with their sets for some reason but it isn't! Very much appreciated tips, and especially appreciated 9 luvdiscs! Also Dodrio has officially become Altaria, so please put tips on Altaria instead. I just have to add that I'm going with you on Lilligant, the main reason why I needed synthesis was due substitute, but switching substitute for sleep powder sounds so much better! Do you want to keep the natures on the pokemon the same though? (Other than Lilligant obviously) I'll put in DUsknoir for now, since when you switch Moltres in he can use Roost, this is especially good if the opponent switches. Last edited by celever; Nov 4th, 2012 at 11:55:15 AM.

Nov 4th, 2012, 12:21:48 PM	#21
TeamEmpoleon Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 the Netherlands	The main threat of this team is Bouffalant, not Cryogonal. Moltres is the counter against Cryogonal. Bouffalant has no counter. We should think about Bouffalant, as Moltres easily destroys Cryogonal. Except when he`s fainted. __________________ Pokecommunity name: TeamEmpoleon Pokemon Showdown name: MikevdKraats You can always battle me at PS for a Random/OU Battle!

Nov 4th, 2012, 2:27:51 PM	#22
hunkk301 Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1	you should really add dusclops with will o wisp, and pain split, (shadow sneak and seismic toss is what i recommend but whatever fills your needs on the team), also, if you are going for sandslash,the set could be rapid spin, stone edge and earthquake for great coverage and swords dance or night slash to kill ghost types easily.

Nov 4th, 2012, 2:30:55 PM	#23
celever Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,059 I HATE COD	Lol, I did his Dusknoir set minus seismic toss and rapid spin and stone edge on Sandslash's. I'd have like Dusclops too but he's actually UU, his evolved form is RU. You'd have to be an idiot to let Dusclops evolve!

Nov 4th, 2012, 2:33:28 PM	#24
TeamEmpoleon Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 17 the Netherlands	Updated the Importable + Threat List :3 __________________ Pokecommunity name: TeamEmpoleon Pokemon Showdown name: MikevdKraats You can always battle me at PS for a Random/OU Battle!

Nov 4th, 2012, 3:53:44 PM	#25
celever Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,059 I HATE COD	I'll be updating the OP vigorously, so please give me feedback on ways to improve the team, I'll be trying lots of things out. I have most of the pokemon sorted, in fact, it's just one slot, the slot for rapid spinners. I'm currently trying out hitmonchan, I'll put it in the OP shortly if he seems to work out. :O Seventeen Luvdiscs!? That is just spectacular! Thanks to everybody who voted! Last edited by celever; Nov 5th, 2012 at 2:48:38 PM.