(Ubers) Ubers hyper offense!

evillocke · Nov 3rd, 2012, 10:08:12 PM

GENESECT ROCKS.

Welcome to my second RMT on smogon. Today I want you to rate a uber team I use. I have had decent sucess with this team. I peaked 1610 with this team on PS and plan to get further.

Tyranitar @ Focus Sash
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 200 Atk / 56 SAtk / 252 Spd
Lonely Nature
- Crunch
- Stealth Rock
- Fire Blast
- Low Kick

I will admit. This is not my set. However, this set fits with my team very well, and it does great. Focus sash is weird, but it will live through: Superpowers, Draco meteors, Outrages, and more. This way it can set up rocks. Crunch is STAB. Fire blast is for other things (Fuck you Genesect) . Low kick is better than it seems, dealing decent damage to Groudon, Arceus, and Dialga. Sand stream fucks sashers.

Latios (M) @ Soul Dew
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Thunder
- Surf
- Grass Knot

Deoxys-Speed used to be here. He was originally a screen supporter/taunter. However, he was dead weight besides that. Oiawesome suggested CM latias, and I thought over it. Then I came to the conclusion of All-out attacker Latios! Soul Dew is a choice specs boost, but you can still switch moves! The EV's help focus on speed and power. Thunder is used over Thunderbolt because Kyogre is so fucking common. Surf gets boost from rain. Dragon pulse for a spammable, strong, move. And grass knot hits Groudon.

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- Thunder
- Water Spout
- Surf

Kyogre gives priceless rain support to this team. The choice scarf version is amazing. I use timid over modest for the extra speed. Ice beam hits all those pesky dragons for 4x damage. Thunder is just to say, Fuck you, I'm the real whale. Water spout is a spammable move that does a shitload of damage when at full health, and even kills resists. Surf is for a strong water stab I can use when not at full health.

Genesect @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Download
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
Hasty Nature
- U-turn
- Ice Beam
- Iron Head
- Explosion

Omastar sucks. What I was thinking, I don't know. When it comes to killing, we have this guy. The mixed scarf set RULES. Hasty makes him fast. U-turn kills tons of things at +1 and provides GREAT momentum. Ice beam hits dragons like Ray hard, but I am thinking of changing to T-bolt. Iron head is STAB, and hits arc-ghost and the like. Finally, explosion lets it go off with a BANG.

Arceus @ Silk Scarf
Trait: Multitype
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd/ 4HP
Jolly Nature
- ExtremeSpeed
- Shadow Claw
- Swords Dance
- Brick Break

Ekiller set. Espeed is main stab. Shadow claw hits ghosts. Swords dance ups attack. Brick break for steels. Do I REALLY need to explain this set? This thing can and will revenge low health kyogres.

Mewtwo @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Calm Mind
- Psystrike
- Ice Beam

Excadrill was originally here to abuse the sand. However, Excadrill was not fast or strong enough for this hyper offense team. I was mulling over my choices...and came to mewtwo! The Ev's maximise killing power. Timid for more speed. Aura sphere hits Darkrai and Dialga extremely hard. Thunder says fuck Whales. Psystrike is spammable and extremely strong. Ice beam hits dragons. Mewtwo has also swept teams before, something excadrill could never hope to accomplish.

Well, that's it. Rate, hate, and steal please! Luvdisc if you like!

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evillocke · Nov 3rd, 2012, 11:59:08 PM

To be updated.

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~~Oiawesome~~ · Nov 5th, 2012, 12:02:26 PM

Hi nice RMT just a amature rater comments:Lati twins are BIG threats to you'r team and are unfortunatly on the rise thanks to soul dew ogre can't handle any varaint of latios because,the CM Variants can take any hit exept meybe not 100% hp Water Spout(I belive Timid WP is a 4HKO or 3HKO no?)and set up in your face recover and use your rain agianst you with thunder for the KO(+1 Thunder Soul Dew or +1 Soul Dew Grass Knot is a OHKO) ,all out attacker varaints can Just Spam Thunder Or Grass Knot for the 2HKO and the recover of all of your efforts to wear it down and Special DD is extremly rare same with Latias really exept it can pose as a bigger threat because of its surperior bulk and +1 SD GK or Surf from both of the latis will OHKO T-tar as far as I know your only chance is exca after t-tar dies because he can outspeed and OHKO Latios but faces the chance of not OHKOing latias at +0 and if you try to SD Surf or even Grass Knot will kill you either way to remedy this I recomend a bulky or fast taunter or phazer but then again a +1 Latios or Latias will just OHKO the taunter and will outspeed the phazing so I recomend CM Latias not only does it deal with other latis but it can raep unprepared team and even some of the best teams on the ladder when played correctly.

The Set

Latias @ Soul Dew Timid
- Levittate 252SpA/192 Spe/60 HP
Calm Mind/Recover/Grass Knot|Thunder|Surf/Dragon Pulse

EDIT: After doing some calcs on kalashnikov Ive determined if latias gets +1 or oh god +2 or even + 3 is going to kill evreything if it carries Surf as Dragon Pulse can ko kyogre with enough boosts wich its easy to do.

ALSO Kyurem W rapes your whole team as nothing that outspeeds it can OHKO it and take ogre of the list because WP is kinda unreliable andit can OHKO even Spdef. Variants of Kyogre with specsDraco after rocks and also Arceus will not OHKO and will get OHKOD with a scarf OR specs STAB move of choice ,the only way to take it down is repeted assults from Exca Arceus AND Kyogre and if Ky is even a little weakend you could lose because as even Specs Blizzard will take out that latias I suggested and Omastar can't OHKO and gets OHKOd in rain and easily 2HKOD in sand as it dose'nt outspeed in sand.

evillocke · Nov 6th, 2012, 2:13:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Oiawesome

Hi nice RMT just a amature rater comments:Lati twins are BIG threats to you'r team and are unfortunatly on the rise thanks to soul dew ogre can't handle any varaint of latios because,the CM Variants can take any hit exept meybe not 100% hp Water Spout(I belive Timid WP is a 4HKO or 3HKO no?)and set up in your face recover and use your rain agianst you with thunder for the KO(+1 Thunder Soul Dew or +1 Soul Dew Grass Knot is a OHKO) ,all out attacker varaints can Just Spam Thunder Or Grass Knot for the 2HKO and the recover of all of your efforts to wear it down and Special DD is extremly rare same with Latias really exept it can pose as a bigger threat because of its surperior bulk and +1 SD GK or Surf from both of the latis will OHKO T-tar as far as I know your only chance is exca after t-tar dies because he can outspeed and OHKO Latios but faces the chance of not OHKOing latias at +0 and if you try to SD Surf or even Grass Knot will kill you either way to remedy this I recomend a bulky or fast taunter or phazer but then again a +1 Latios or Latias will just OHKO the taunter and will outspeed the phazing so I recomend CM Latias not only does it deal with other latis but it can raep unprepared team and even some of the best teams on the ladder when played correctly.

The Set

Latias @ Soul Dew Timid
- Levittate 252SpA/192 Spe/60 HP
Calm Mind/Recover/Grass Knot|Thunder|Surf/Dragon Pulse

EDIT: After doing some calcs on kalashnikov Ive determined if latias gets +1 or oh god +2 or even + 3 is going to kill evreything if it carries Surf as Dragon Pulse can ko kyogre with enough boosts wich its easy to do.

ALSO Kyurem W rapes your whole team as nothing that outspeeds it can OHKO it and take ogre of the list because WP is kinda unreliable andit can OHKO even Spdef. Variants of Kyogre with specsDraco after rocks and also Arceus will not OHKO and will get OHKOD with a scarf OR specs STAB move of choice ,the only way to take it down is repeted assults from Exca Arceus AND Kyogre and if Ky is even a little weakend you could lose because as even Specs Blizzard will take out that latias I suggested and Omastar can't OHKO and gets OHKOd in rain and easily 2HKOD in sand as it dose'nt outspeed in sand.

Alright, I will go with your suggestion. Deo-s has been useless lately.

lousy918 · Nov 6th, 2012, 9:45:38 PM

Excadrill does not take it wtf.

I don't actually understand what you are trying to do with your EV spread so I suggest you go either 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe to outspeed Scarf Terrakion or just go all out with 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe since the bulk doesn't matter as Excadrill is frail. Also you should give it Life Orb to boost the power of all your moves.

~~Oiawesome~~ · Nov 7th, 2012, 12:22:50 AM

How does ogre handle the latis? Ice beam is a 3HKO on latias and water spout at full is at best a 4HKO and of the latis get 1 CM they can take evrey hit exept t-tar's crunch and T-tar is 2HKOD by +0(+1 is guerenteed so yeah) grass knot and surfand also Exca cant even take a hit as well i've tried you're team on this ladder and I got raped by CM+Roost Latias and SubRoost Kyurem and then got 6-0d by specs kyurem w and I treid evrey thing even excas outspeeding +rock slide didn't work,Since even the best special wall in the game is 2HKOD By Kyurem W after hazards and only things on your team that can outspeed cant OHKO and faces getting KOD back don't treat these threats as minor threats another thing I wonder is that have you actualy tried this team? This team has no threats on paper but only works against ceartin things and gets raped by the best and most commen Special and physical attackers,just saying stall isnt always gonna be the matchup you need to prepare for bulky ofense.

PEACE.

evillocke · Nov 16th, 2012, 4:49:46 PM

Bump, Also, I was wondering if DDray>Omastar. I know this team was built with omastar in mind, but, I try to finish game as fast as I can, I was wondering if he provided enough offensive prowess?

Well, tested Ho-oh, Palkia, Dialga, Ray, and they don't work. What should I do?

~~blitzlefan~~ · Nov 16th, 2012, 6:43:58 PM

Hmmm... just a thought... I don't think your team likes support Ghost-Arceus, as the EKiller will get burned and therefore be useless, as to be stalled out through Will-O-Wisp + Recover. Therefore, I suggest you run a Timid nature on your Arceus, as I run Ghost Arceus, it REALLY pisses me off when EKiller Shadow Claws before I can Will-O-Wisp. Also, as Arceus really fears burn and to an extent parahax, I suggest running Lum Berry > Silk Scarf. Also, maybe run Cloyster over Omastar, as if he sets up, the opposing team is REALLy screwed, as a 187.5 BP Icicle spear is nothing to fuck with. lastly, as ur running a omastar/cloyster, which really likes that rain support, maybe consider Calm Mind over Fire Blast, as Aura Sphere still hits steels fairly hard.

Maybe???
Cloyster @ Focus Sash
Trait: Skill Link
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SAtk
Lonely Nature
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Hydro Pump

evillocke · Nov 17th, 2012, 1:38:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat blitzlefan

Hmmm... just a thought... I don't think your team likes support Ghost-Arceus, as the EKiller will get burned and therefore be useless, as to be stalled out through Will-O-Wisp + Recover. Therefore, I suggest you run a Timid nature on your Arceus, as I run Ghost Arceus, it REALLY pisses me off when EKiller Shadow Claws before I can Will-O-Wisp. Also, as Arceus really fears burn and to an extent parahax, I suggest running Lum Berry > Silk Scarf. Also, maybe run Cloyster over Omastar, as if he sets up, the opposing team is REALLy screwed, as a 187.5 BP Icicle spear is nothing to fuck with. lastly, as ur running a omastar/cloyster, which really likes that rain support, maybe consider Calm Mind over Fire Blast, as Aura Sphere still hits steels fairly hard.

Maybe???
Cloyster @ Focus Sash
Trait: Skill Link
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SAtk
Lonely Nature
- Shell Smash
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Hydro Pump

You mean Jolly? Ok. I dont see support arc-Ghost so much, and I don't keep him in on giratina. I will switch to lum if it gets problematic. Will try that cloyster, but with razor shell over Pump and speed Ev's instead of Spatk. I will consider calm mind, but FB was mainly for FERROBITCH.

~~blitzlefan~~ · Nov 17th, 2012, 12:07:49 PM

sorry bout that. im so tired my brain's pretty dead. definitely Jolly w/ 4HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe. GOOD LUCK!

evillocke · Dec 4th, 2012, 6:46:49 PM

I switched Omastar with Genesect. Does anybody else have anything to say on this? Updated the threat list with colors.

Young Wild Free · Dec 5th, 2012, 12:40:03 AM

you should add at least another line to arceus' description
The Rate-
I dont see the purpose of having thunder at all on Mewtwo. i would suggest you change thunder < calm mind calm mind can help it hit harder and keep up with latias if it ever calm minds on you
Another thing is change Kyogre's nature into Modest > Timid, you already have Genesect as revenge killer there really is no need for another

evillocke · Dec 5th, 2012, 1:54:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Young Wild Free

you should add at least another line to arceus' description
The Rate-
I dont see the purpose of having thunder at all on Mewtwo. i would suggest you change thunder < calm mind calm mind can help it hit harder and keep up with latias if it ever calm minds on you
Another thing is change Kyogre's nature into Modest > Timid, you already have Genesect as revenge killer there really is no need for another

Thunder helps me KO Ogre switch ins. Mainly specs and CM. I will try CM, though. On Kyogres nature, I had it Timid so I could speed tie other scarf 90's. *cough ho-oh zekrom cough*

~~blitzlefan~~ · Dec 5th, 2012, 11:23:32 PM

Yes, probably avoid running Thunder on Mewtwo, as it will just get OHKOd by an opposing Scarf Kyogre anyway, so just pack Calm Mind in case you get the chance to set up, or if you're feeling especially trollish, run Taunt, as to fuck with entry hazard setters. And that speed on Scarf Kyogre is important, so I think you should keep that Timid nature, as revenge killing everything in sight is ridiculously awesome.

evillocke · Dec 6th, 2012, 12:36:16 PM

Alright, changed Thunder to CM.

Nov 3rd, 2012, 10:08:12 PM	#1
evillocke Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 71	Ubers hyper offense! GENESECT ROCKS. Welcome to my second RMT on smogon. Today I want you to rate a uber team I use. I have had decent sucess with this team. I peaked 1610 with this team on PS and plan to get further. Tyranitar @ Focus Sash Trait: Sand Stream EVs: 200 Atk / 56 SAtk / 252 Spd Lonely Nature - Crunch - Stealth Rock - Fire Blast - Low Kick I will admit. This is not my set. However, this set fits with my team very well, and it does great. Focus sash is weird, but it will live through: Superpowers, Draco meteors, Outrages, and more. This way it can set up rocks. Crunch is STAB. Fire blast is for other things (Fuck you Genesect) . Low kick is better than it seems, dealing decent damage to Groudon, Arceus, and Dialga. Sand stream fucks sashers. Latios (M) @ Soul Dew Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Timid Nature - Dragon Pulse - Thunder - Surf - Grass Knot Deoxys-Speed used to be here. He was originally a screen supporter/taunter. However, he was dead weight besides that. Oiawesome suggested CM latias, and I thought over it. Then I came to the conclusion of All-out attacker Latios! Soul Dew is a choice specs boost, but you can still switch moves! The EV's help focus on speed and power. Thunder is used over Thunderbolt because Kyogre is so fucking common. Surf gets boost from rain. Dragon pulse for a spammable, strong, move. And grass knot hits Groudon. Kyogre @ Choice Scarf Trait: Drizzle EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Timid Nature - Ice Beam - Thunder - Water Spout - Surf Kyogre gives priceless rain support to this team. The choice scarf version is amazing. I use timid over modest for the extra speed. Ice beam hits all those pesky dragons for 4x damage. Thunder is just to say, Fuck you, I'm the real whale. Water spout is a spammable move that does a shitload of damage when at full health, and even kills resists. Surf is for a strong water stab I can use when not at full health. Genesect @ Choice Scarf Trait: Download EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk Hasty Nature - U-turn - Ice Beam - Iron Head - Explosion Omastar sucks. What I was thinking, I don't know. When it comes to killing, we have this guy. The mixed scarf set RULES. Hasty makes him fast. U-turn kills tons of things at +1 and provides GREAT momentum. Ice beam hits dragons like Ray hard, but I am thinking of changing to T-bolt. Iron head is STAB, and hits arc-ghost and the like. Finally, explosion lets it go off with a BANG. Arceus @ Silk Scarf Trait: Multitype EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd/ 4HP Jolly Nature - ExtremeSpeed - Shadow Claw - Swords Dance - Brick Break Ekiller set. Espeed is main stab. Shadow claw hits ghosts. Swords dance ups attack. Brick break for steels. Do I REALLY need to explain this set? This thing can and will revenge low health kyogres. Mewtwo @ Life Orb Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Aura Sphere - Calm Mind - Psystrike - Ice Beam Excadrill was originally here to abuse the sand. However, Excadrill was not fast or strong enough for this hyper offense team. I was mulling over my choices...and came to mewtwo! The Ev's maximise killing power. Timid for more speed. Aura sphere hits Darkrai and Dialga extremely hard. Thunder says fuck Whales. Psystrike is spammable and extremely strong. Ice beam hits dragons. Mewtwo has also swept teams before, something excadrill could never hope to accomplish. Well, that's it. Rate, hate, and steal please! Luvdisc if you like! http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers3842535 http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers3873481 http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers3875856 http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers4133232 http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers4133587 ... Tyranitar @ Focus Sash Trait: Sand Stream EVs: 200 Atk / 56 SAtk / 252 Spd Lonely Nature - Crunch - Stealth Rock - Fire Blast - Low Kick Latios (M) @ Soul Dew Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Timid Nature - Dragon Pulse - Thunder - Surf - Grass Knot Kyogre @ Choice Scarf Trait: Drizzle EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Timid Nature - Ice Beam - Thunder - Water Spout - Surf Omastar @ Life Orb Trait: Swift Swim EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP Modest Nature - Earth Power - Hydro Pump - Ice Beam - Shell Smash Arceus @ Silk Scarf Trait: Multitype EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd/ 4HP Jolly Nature - ExtremeSpeed - Shadow Claw - Swords Dance - Brick Break Mewtwo @ Life Orb Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Aura Sphere - Thunder - Psystrike - Fire Blast Last edited by evillocke; Dec 6th, 2012 at 12:35:41 PM.

Nov 3rd, 2012, 11:59:08 PM	#2
evillocke Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 71	To be updated. ... Offensive Threats Tier 1 Arceus Extreme Killer (Swords Dance) - My own can handle it. Choice Band - Arceus-Fighting Calm Mind - Arceus-Ghost Calm Mind - Ogre beats it Swords Dance - My Ekiller beats it. Arceus-Ground Calm Mind - Swords Dance - Darkrai Special Sweeper - Ttar takes the sleep, then kill it with Ogre. Choice Scarf - Ogre Double Status - See special sweeper Dialga Special Attacker - Mixed - Bulk Up + RestTalk - Choice Scarf - Usually Latios. Groudon Rock Polish - Ogre Paradancer -Oh man. This is bad. I have to hope ogre can get in before its too late. Choice Band - Offensive Stealth Rock - Ho-Oh Tank - Physical Sweeper - Choice Scarf - Kyogre Choice Scarf - Choice Specs - Calm Mind + 3 Attacks - Mono-Attacker - Thunder Wave - SubCM - My Ogre. 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Nov 5th, 2012, 12:02:26 PM	#3
~~Oiawesome~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 165	Hi nice RMT just a amature rater comments:Lati twins are BIG threats to you'r team and are unfortunatly on the rise thanks to soul dew ogre can't handle any varaint of latios because,the CM Variants can take any hit exept meybe not 100% hp Water Spout(I belive Timid WP is a 4HKO or 3HKO no?)and set up in your face recover and use your rain agianst you with thunder for the KO(+1 Thunder Soul Dew or +1 Soul Dew Grass Knot is a OHKO) ,all out attacker varaints can Just Spam Thunder Or Grass Knot for the 2HKO and the recover of all of your efforts to wear it down and Special DD is extremly rare same with Latias really exept it can pose as a bigger threat because of its surperior bulk and +1 SD GK or Surf from both of the latis will OHKO T-tar as far as I know your only chance is exca after t-tar dies because he can outspeed and OHKO Latios but faces the chance of not OHKOing latias at +0 and if you try to SD Surf or even Grass Knot will kill you either way to remedy this I recomend a bulky or fast taunter or phazer but then again a +1 Latios or Latias will just OHKO the taunter and will outspeed the phazing so I recomend CM Latias not only does it deal with other latis but it can raep unprepared team and even some of the best teams on the ladder when played correctly. The Set Latias @ Soul Dew Timid - Levittate 252SpA/192 Spe/60 HP Calm Mind/Recover/Grass Knot\|Thunder\|Surf/Dragon Pulse EDIT: After doing some calcs on kalashnikov Ive determined if latias gets +1 or oh god +2 or even + 3 is going to kill evreything if it carries Surf as Dragon Pulse can ko kyogre with enough boosts wich its easy to do. ALSO Kyurem W rapes your whole team as nothing that outspeeds it can OHKO it and take ogre of the list because WP is kinda unreliable andit can OHKO even Spdef. Variants of Kyogre with specsDraco after rocks and also Arceus will not OHKO and will get OHKOD with a scarf OR specs STAB move of choice ,the only way to take it down is repeted assults from Exca Arceus AND Kyogre and if Ky is even a little weakend you could lose because as even Specs Blizzard will take out that latias I suggested and Omastar can't OHKO and gets OHKOd in rain and easily 2HKOD in sand as it dose'nt outspeed in sand. Last edited by Oiawesome; Nov 5th, 2012 at 6:39:35 PM.

Nov 6th, 2012, 9:45:38 PM	#5
lousy918 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 298 At home	Excadrill does not take it wtf. I don't actually understand what you are trying to do with your EV spread so I suggest you go either 64 HP / 252 Atk / 192 Spe to outspeed Scarf Terrakion or just go all out with 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe since the bulk doesn't matter as Excadrill is frail. Also you should give it Life Orb to boost the power of all your moves. __________________ http://prntscr.com/sxnd3 \| http://prntscr.com/tprhc (13:00:26) ±Porygon: Your rank in Battle Factory is 1/422 [1180 points / 7 battles]! SCREW SMORGERN, THE MODS ARE GAY especially Jirachi, i checked the rules and insulting a set that indeed sucks is okay smogoners are bootlickers, sucking up to mods and giving them luvdiscs and rates but not to unbadged ppl who don't bootlick despite them posting a similar rmt earlier

Nov 16th, 2012, 4:49:46 PM	#7
evillocke Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 71	Bump, Also, I was wondering if DDray>Omastar. I know this team was built with omastar in mind, but, I try to finish game as fast as I can, I was wondering if he provided enough offensive prowess? Well, tested Ho-oh, Palkia, Dialga, Ray, and they don't work. What should I do? __________________ %oarpheus: shut up, i'm george lopez ,_, Last edited by evillocke; Nov 16th, 2012 at 5:36:21 PM.

Nov 7th, 2012, 12:22:50 AM	#6
~~Oiawesome~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 165	How does ogre handle the latis? Ice beam is a 3HKO on latias and water spout at full is at best a 4HKO and of the latis get 1 CM they can take evrey hit exept t-tar's crunch and T-tar is 2HKOD by +0(+1 is guerenteed so yeah) grass knot and surfand also Exca cant even take a hit as well i've tried you're team on this ladder and I got raped by CM+Roost Latias and SubRoost Kyurem and then got 6-0d by specs kyurem w and I treid evrey thing even excas outspeeding +rock slide didn't work,Since even the best special wall in the game is 2HKOD By Kyurem W after hazards and only things on your team that can outspeed cant OHKO and faces getting KOD back don't treat these threats as minor threats another thing I wonder is that have you actualy tried this team? This team has no threats on paper but only works against ceartin things and gets raped by the best and most commen Special and physical attackers,just saying stall isnt always gonna be the matchup you need to prepare for bulky ofense. PEACE.

Nov 16th, 2012, 6:43:58 PM	#8
~~blitzlefan~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 549 Texas	Hmmm... just a thought... I don't think your team likes support Ghost-Arceus, as the EKiller will get burned and therefore be useless, as to be stalled out through Will-O-Wisp + Recover. Therefore, I suggest you run a Timid nature on your Arceus, as I run Ghost Arceus, it REALLY pisses me off when EKiller Shadow Claws before I can Will-O-Wisp. Also, as Arceus really fears burn and to an extent parahax, I suggest running Lum Berry > Silk Scarf. Also, maybe run Cloyster over Omastar, as if he sets up, the opposing team is REALLy screwed, as a 187.5 BP Icicle spear is nothing to fuck with. lastly, as ur running a omastar/cloyster, which really likes that rain support, maybe consider Calm Mind over Fire Blast, as Aura Sphere still hits steels fairly hard. Maybe??? Cloyster @ Focus Sash Trait: Skill Link EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SAtk Lonely Nature - Shell Smash - Icicle Spear - Rock Blast - Hydro Pump

Nov 17th, 2012, 12:07:49 PM	#10
~~blitzlefan~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 549 Texas	sorry bout that. im so tired my brain's pretty dead. definitely Jolly w/ 4HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe. GOOD LUCK!

Dec 4th, 2012, 6:46:49 PM	#11
evillocke Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 71	I switched Omastar with Genesect. Does anybody else have anything to say on this? Updated the threat list with colors. __________________ %oarpheus: shut up, i'm george lopez ,_, Last edited by evillocke; Dec 4th, 2012 at 9:02:49 PM.

Dec 5th, 2012, 12:40:03 AM	#12
Young Wild Free Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20 CALI	you should add at least another line to arceus' description The Rate- I dont see the purpose of having thunder at all on Mewtwo. i would suggest you change thunder < calm mind calm mind can help it hit harder and keep up with latias if it ever calm minds on you Another thing is change Kyogre's nature into Modest > Timid, you already have Genesect as revenge killer there really is no need for another

Dec 5th, 2012, 11:23:32 PM	#14
~~blitzlefan~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 549 Texas	Yes, probably avoid running Thunder on Mewtwo, as it will just get OHKOd by an opposing Scarf Kyogre anyway, so just pack Calm Mind in case you get the chance to set up, or if you're feeling especially trollish, run Taunt, as to fuck with entry hazard setters. And that speed on Scarf Kyogre is important, so I think you should keep that Timid nature, as revenge killing everything in sight is ridiculously awesome.

Dec 6th, 2012, 12:36:16 PM	#15
evillocke Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 71	Alright, changed Thunder to CM. __________________ %oarpheus: shut up, i'm george lopez ,_,