Simple Questions & Simple Answers & General Resources (OU Edition) MK II - Page 23

Princess Bri · Dec 22nd, 2012, 12:51:23 AM

hotcoldyay: alkinesthetase makes running some bulk on Breloom seem unappealing; however, I usually run some bulk with a Fight Gem.

My personal spread and set of preference is the following.

Breloom @ Fight Gem | Adamant
Technician | 68 HP / 224 Atk / 216 Spe
Swords Dance | Mach Punch | Bullet Seed | Spore

It allows you to live a nonboosted Terrakion Close Combat (salac + sub or sash lead) 100% of the time, allowing with the rare Life Orb Icy Wind from Keldeo. Plus, you outspeed max speed Adamant Scizor. Definitely try it out if you want a "bulkier" Breloom.

hotcoldyay · Dec 22nd, 2012, 2:03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Princess Bri

hotcoldyay: alkinesthetase makes running some bulk on Breloom seem unappealing; however, I usually run some bulk with a Fight Gem.

My personal spread and set of preference is the following.

Breloom @ Fight Gem | Adamant
Technician | 68 HP / 224 Atk / 216 Spe
Swords Dance | Mach Punch | Bullet Seed | Spore

It allows you to live a nonboosted Terrakion Close Combat (salac + sub or sash lead) 100% of the time, allowing with the rare Life Orb Icy Wind from Keldeo. Plus, you outspeed max speed Adamant Scizor. Definitely try it out if you want a "bulkier" Breloom.

Thanks for the reccomendation, ill definitely try it out and see if it works :)

And my final question: which volcarona bulky set is better, the current one one site or a spread of 144hp/252def/112spe considering both have the same nature and moveset?

frogoholic101 · Dec 22nd, 2012, 2:30:11 PM

Does anyone have a viable set for a Careful Heracross that can be used in OU?

Onicon · Dec 22nd, 2012, 5:46:06 PM

The only "reasonable" set you can come up with a Careful nature would be a Bulk Up set, a mono-attacking Bulk Up RestTalk one.

Heracross @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up
- Megahorn
- Sleep Talk
- Rest

That said, this one is far from a viable set in OU. Heatran is very common and walls it to death. Tornadus-T scores an easy KO because of its weakness. Ninetales still OHKO you in sun. The problem is that you have a hard time staying alive until Rest fades off, and that's disregarding the low reliability of Sleep Talk.

dark · Dec 22nd, 2012, 11:50:27 PM

2 questions
Besides fire water grass core, are there any other useful cores that can be used in OU?
How much does my pokemon's speed increased by when a tailwind is being set up in my field?

alkinesthetase · Dec 22nd, 2012, 11:58:58 PM

Quote:

Besides fire water grass core, are there any other useful cores that can be used in OU?
How much does my pokemon's speed increased by when a tailwind is being set up in my field?

for more specific examples of other cores check out the OU cores thread; it's in this forum somewhere

tailwind: doubles the speed

Sciztar · Dec 23rd, 2012, 1:33:48 AM

Is Bronzong a good check to Landorus-T even after an intimidate drop?

Princess Bri · Dec 23rd, 2012, 3:49:56 AM

You hit Landorus-T with Hidden Power Ice which isn't affected by Intimidate and you resist EdgeQuake. It's a great check!

EdNorton · Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat pokemon0078

Scizor @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit

What are the 8 special defense evs for?

Manitary · Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:37:20 AM

I think they're Speed EVs: usually Special Defense is shortened with SDef or SpD, and Speed with Spe or Spd.

EdNorton · Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:47:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Manitary

I think they're Speed EVs: usually Special Defense is shortened with SDef or SpD, and Speed with Spe or Spd.

On Scizor's smogon page, it says 8 SpD evs, so I figured he meant special defense as well.

Manitary · Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:54:03 AM

Hmm you're right...but I don't understand the reason of this choice, and it isn't explained in the article

JoshuaMunoz · Dec 23rd, 2012, 6:01:23 AM

Whats a good Sash Breloom set?

BlankZero · Dec 23rd, 2012, 6:24:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat JoshuaMunoz

Whats a good Sash Breloom set?

Breloom @ focus sash
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 atk / 252 spe
Adamant / Jolly nature
-spore
-swords dance
-Mach punch
-bullet seed

Jolly is to outspeed adamant mamoswine, in which case you could run low sweep over swords dance to catch Tornadus on the switch and outspeed.

ganj4lF · Dec 23rd, 2012, 6:32:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Manitary

Hmm you're right...but I don't understand the reason of this choice, and it isn't explained in the article

The only reason I can see for that is to avoid to outspeed other CB Scizors, so you can U-Turn last and retain the momentum. However even that is questionable, since if the enemy Scizor is not that much healthy, you can do a huge chunk with Superpower anyway, so...I gues it's up to your personal preference.

Hiddenfreezer · Dec 23rd, 2012, 8:55:59 AM

I need a Pokemon with SLOW baton pass / u turn / volt switch and wish.

Any suggestions?

hotcoldyay · Dec 23rd, 2012, 10:23:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Hiddenfreezer

I need a Pokemon with SLOW baton pass / u turn / volt switch and wish.

Any suggestions?

Umbreon, vaporeon, and flareon are the slowest who can do this, iirc. Theres also girafarig, jirachi, illumise (faster due to prankster if you choose to use it) and togekiss, but they are a lot faster than the first three. All rely on baton pass except jirachi, who uses u-turn, and they all can learn wish.

Onicon · Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:38:47 PM

Xatu can pass wishes slow if played bulky, too.

Particular1 · Dec 23rd, 2012, 2:21:21 PM

Is this set a gimmick, or is it legitimate?

Scizor @ Aspear Berry
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Natural Gift
- Pursuit

Aspear Berry makes Natural Gift an technician-boosted ice-attack that often kills a Dragon or (actually more common) Gliscor.

Onicon · Dec 23rd, 2012, 2:31:36 PM

One-trick ponies generally are gimmick sets, at least in the OU meta game. Natural Gift won't get you anywhere when you cannot outspeed something that OHKOs you. Heatran walls a set without Superpower and both Salamence and Dragonite will hit you with Fire moves for great damage. Gliscor is usually faster than you and when it put up a sub, you will loose your berry for nothing.
The best way to handle Dragons is just keep SR in the field and Swords Dance. +2 Bullet Punch and SR allows you to down any Dragon in OU. You will need +4 for Gliscor, though.

Gary2346 · Dec 23rd, 2012, 4:31:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Particular1

Is this set a gimmick, or is it legitimate?

Scizor @ Aspear Berry
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Natural Gift
- Pursuit

Aspear Berry makes Natural Gift an technician-boosted ice-attack that often kills a Dragon or (actually more common) Gliscor.

I see it more as a gimmick. Natural Gift wastes a Scizor's potential to surprise Heatran on the switch with Superpower, as well as the ability to take out Chansey and Blissey. Natural Gift is a one shot deal, and is only useful for taking out the ONE Pokemon that other members of your team should be prepared for. If you depend on Scizor to surprise Gliscor and Landorus, then your team needs some serious help. Besides, Choice Band is sooo much better because it nets him those important kills to weakened mons, as well as certain OHKOs. So the answer to your question is, yes, this set is a complete gimmick and should NEVER be used over his SD or CB sets.

Subject 18 · Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:42:19 PM

What are some good teammates for heracross besides Heatran?

Paolo · Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:58:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat BlackRussian

What are some good teammates for heracross besides Heatran?

Gastrodon seems like he would make a pretty good team mate since he can safely come in and Ice Beam many Pokemon that give Heracross trouble such as Gliscor with SR support and even Landorus if I am not mistaken. Paralysis support can also come in handy if you are not running scarf so Pokemon such as Parashuffle Dragonite, or Jirachi would make great teammates.

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Subject 18 · Dec 23rd, 2012, 6:05:38 PM

Ok thank you for the help

Paolo · Dec 23rd, 2012, 6:39:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat BlackRussian

What if I want to use a scarf Heracross?

If you want to run Scarf Heracross, Heatran and Gastrodon are probably your best bet since they cover your weaknesses perfectly and give most things that wall you trouble. Deo-D hazard support and a good wall breaker to wear down the opponents team so you can clean up late game also would be very helpful for Heracross.

Dec 22nd, 2012, 12:51:23 AM	#551
Princess Bri watchu twerkin wit? Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,052	hotcoldyay: alkinesthetase makes running some bulk on Breloom seem unappealing; however, I usually run some bulk with a Fight Gem. My personal spread and set of preference is the following. Breloom @ Fight Gem \| Adamant Technician \| 68 HP / 224 Atk / 216 Spe Swords Dance \| Mach Punch \| Bullet Seed \| Spore It allows you to live a nonboosted Terrakion Close Combat (salac + sub or sash lead) 100% of the time, allowing with the rare Life Orb Icy Wind from Keldeo. Plus, you outspeed max speed Adamant Scizor. Definitely try it out if you want a "bulkier" Breloom. __________________

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Dec 23rd, 2012, 3:49:56 AM	#558
Princess Bri watchu twerkin wit? Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,052	You hit Landorus-T with Hidden Power Ice which isn't affected by Intimidate and you resist EdgeQuake. It's a great check! __________________

Dec 22nd, 2012, 5:46:06 PM	#554
Onicon Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 696	The only "reasonable" set you can come up with a Careful nature would be a Bulk Up set, a mono-attacking Bulk Up RestTalk one. Heracross @ Leftovers Trait: Guts EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Spd Careful Nature - Bulk Up - Megahorn - Sleep Talk - Rest That said, this one is far from a viable set in OU. Heatran is very common and walls it to death. Tornadus-T scores an easy KO because of its weakness. Ninetales still OHKO you in sun. The problem is that you have a hard time staying alive until Rest fades off, and that's disregarding the low reliability of Sleep Talk.

Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:37:20 AM	#560
Manitary Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 152 Italy	I think they're Speed EVs: usually Special Defense is shortened with SDef or SpD, and Speed with Spe or Spd.

Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:54:03 AM	#562
Manitary Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 152 Italy	Hmm you're right...but I don't understand the reason of this choice, and it isn't explained in the article

Dec 23rd, 2012, 6:01:23 AM	#563
JoshuaMunoz Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 243	Whats a good Sash Breloom set?

Dec 23rd, 2012, 8:55:59 AM	#566
Hiddenfreezer Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 25	I need a Pokemon with SLOW baton pass / u turn / volt switch and wish. Any suggestions?

Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:38:47 PM	#568
Onicon Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 696	Xatu can pass wishes slow if played bulky, too.

Dec 23rd, 2012, 2:21:21 PM	#569
Particular1 Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 16	Is this set a gimmick, or is it legitimate? Scizor @ Aspear Berry Trait: Technician EVs: 4HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - U-turn - Bullet Punch - Natural Gift - Pursuit Aspear Berry makes Natural Gift an technician-boosted ice-attack that often kills a Dragon or (actually more common) Gliscor. __________________ Check my Smeargles' studio thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3475875

Dec 23rd, 2012, 2:31:36 PM	#570
Onicon Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 696	One-trick ponies generally are gimmick sets, at least in the OU meta game. Natural Gift won't get you anywhere when you cannot outspeed something that OHKOs you. Heatran walls a set without Superpower and both Salamence and Dragonite will hit you with Fire moves for great damage. Gliscor is usually faster than you and when it put up a sub, you will loose your berry for nothing. The best way to handle Dragons is just keep SR in the field and Swords Dance. +2 Bullet Punch and SR allows you to down any Dragon in OU. You will need +4 for Gliscor, though.

Dec 23rd, 2012, 5:42:19 PM	#572
Subject 18 Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 172 If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.	What are some good teammates for heracross besides Heatran?

Dec 23rd, 2012, 6:05:38 PM	#574
Subject 18 Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 172 If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.	Ok thank you for the help Last edited by Subject 18; Dec 23rd, 2012 at 6:24:29 PM.