Seasonal Ladder - November

Matthew · Oct 27th, 2012, 1:58:31 PM

art by Icepick

This is a new ladder which we're implementing in the server on Pokemon Showdown! It is a randbat in its entirety but what's different is that we have limited the list of pokemon which will be picked from. The list of the pokemon which will be picked from is entirely dependent on what the current theme is. The theme will change every month, alongside the ladder. This is just some wacky fun thing that we (aldaron and I with help from a few others), thought would be a nice, fun, silly thing to do.

The list we have chosen for this month is: Thanksgiving Feast. I will announce when the ladder is up and running in this thread & it will be a good time for all.

whitelist

So please use this to discuss how you feel about this ladder as a whole, as we are open to suggestions!

Dusk209 · Oct 27th, 2012, 2:03:29 PM

Personally, I find this to be a little be underwhelming - There should be more silliness involved than just a whitelist of allowed pokemon. Maybe add new rules to the tier, for example, any bird pokemon deal 1.5x damage, or all birds get instantly killed. There are tons of things you could do with this concept, but at the moment it seems lame in my opinion...

Matthew · Oct 27th, 2012, 2:14:39 PM

Dusk isn't in the holiday spirit

The_Eevee_General · Oct 27th, 2012, 2:59:12 PM

The Whitelist is very Fighting, Psychic, and Flying-type heavy. Rocks are gonna be important...

5 spinners: Hitmons (3), Spinda, and Delibird, and only 2 Spinblockers: Sableye and Golurk.

We will be watching... >.>

Relados · Oct 27th, 2012, 3:20:47 PM

I really like the idea of seasonal metagames. I can just see Aerodactyl destroying in the Thanksgiving one, given two stabs that hit most of this metagame hard.

***Zarel**** · Oct 30th, 2012, 10:02:28 PM

For the record, it's extremely easy to implement rules like: "any bird pokemon deal 1.5x damage, or all birds get instantly killed". PS is made to be very easily moddable.

Quickster · Oct 31st, 2012, 8:53:14 AM

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/se...eetings3653620
Illumise pro.

It's starting to annoy me how a lot of Pokemon don't have a STAB attack. I know it's random but it's really trollish when your Gothitelle has Leftovers, Shadow Tag, Substitute and Calm Mind, but no Psychic attack.

Also everything has TrickScarf

Zacchaeus · Oct 31st, 2012, 9:18:08 AM

What level are these Pokés?

BurningMan · Oct 31st, 2012, 9:55:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zacchaeus

What level are these Pokés?

All lvl 100.

Had a couple of matches so far and its much funnier than normal randbats.

Level 51 · Oct 31st, 2012, 10:19:08 AM

How is Gallade an autumn-related Pokemon ._.

Quickster · Oct 31st, 2012, 10:58:53 AM

Pelipper is surprisingly good. All the sets I've had (and met) so far have had 3 or 4 attacking moves. Hydro Pump/Scald, Air Slash and Ice Beam get great coverage and its natural bulk let's it take most neutral attacks. Braviary is also great too, a Sheer Force boosted Rock Slide kills all the Flying types in the tier. Zapdos is brilliant too. I got it once with Substitute/Roost/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power Grass and Leftovers. NOTHING breaks through its substitutes except aerodactyl and archeops, who both get murdered by Thunderbolt. This thing is impossibly difficult to take down behind a sub. None of the Psychic types so far have been particularly good though.

The foe's Gallade used Shadow Sneak!
It doesn't affect Farfetch'd...
Turn 14
KotseConfused forfeited.

Also, #1 on the ladder but it won't last, especially considering how the team match-ups are luck based.

Matthew · Oct 31st, 2012, 2:05:20 PM

Really digging the ladder right now good to see you nerds playing it. I would like to apologize for the rushed sense of the month of November for this but you best believe that things are going to get more and more awesome for the meta here now that we have months to prepare these types of things.

Katakiri · Oct 31st, 2012, 2:31:26 PM

Ready for dinner and dessert.
Bisharp & Gallade at least least brought knives. But no Muskedeers?
The lack of Chandelure is shocking.

I can already tell these are going to be very fun ladders.

Matthew · Oct 31st, 2012, 3:00:57 PM

man why is everyone complaining about Zapdos when Sigyliph is fucking tearing shit up whenever someone gets it. Shit is scary as hell to face.

Quickster · Oct 31st, 2012, 3:05:49 PM

Every Sigilyph I've gotten only had Psychic attacks. Dark types wall every Sigilyph set I've come across. Also, pretty much all Sigilyphs have Psycho Shift but not all of them have a Status Orb, rendering the move near useless. It's also murdered by dark attacks. Zapdos is killed by rock and ice type attacks but most of the pokemon that carry those moves are weak to Thunderbolt (Articuno, Aerodactyl etc). And for some reason, Zapdos has Lightningrod despite it not being released yet. Most of the Pokemon that beat Zapdos can't beat it when it's behind a substitute, a move which is present on nearly all its sets. And considering the number of grass types and flying types in this metagame, it's extremely easy to set up a sub.

Sigilyph is obviously more threatening if it's accumulated lots of Cosmic Power boosts but it can still be easily phazed by Skarmory, and can't get past Dark types such as Bisharp and Mandibuzz. If you're one of the lucky ones who got a Sigilyph with an attack other than Stored Power, you should be very happy. Zapdos is much harder to stop than Sigilyph in most cases, but if you lack a Sigilyph counter you're almost guranteed to lose.

evillocke · Oct 31st, 2012, 4:15:19 PM

This looks.....interesting...

akela · Oct 31st, 2012, 4:40:33 PM

So, you are not supposed to know what items your pokemon hold?

ChrisTehAwesome · Oct 31st, 2012, 5:07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Matthew

man why is everyone complaining about Zapdos when Sigyliph is fucking tearing shit up whenever someone gets it. Shit is scary as hell to face.

I'm gonna confirm this, with burn orb and psycho shift its so easy to stall out physical dark attackers such as weavile or Bisharp. Stack up to +6 with stored power and cosmic power/roost your way out of anything. What a cool pokemon.

SHUCKLE MAN · Oct 31st, 2012, 5:38:49 PM

I think a good idea for a future month would be one where only all the Pokemon from one type can be used (e.g. all rock types). It would be a completely different type of metagame. For example, using the rock example, most Pokemon have high defense, so some Pokemon that are usually physical attackers would be better as special attackers in that metagame, and a Pokemon like Cradily would be probably a top tier threat due to it not being weak to Water and Ground, and Sandstream would raise the special defense of the whole tier, and so on.

Or in an all-grass metagame, it would be different too, with no spinners, and nobody would be able to use STAB moves, (moves like Sludge Bomb and HP Fire/Ice would probably be the main moves), Leech Seed doesn't work, likely rain/sun weather wars, and so on.

And lets not even start with an all-Dragon metagame, it would probably be one of the most offensive and fast-paced metagames ever.

I think mono-type metagames would certainly be interesting to play, even with randbats, if you ever run out of ideas lol.

Quickster · Oct 31st, 2012, 6:38:47 PM

Monotype isn't a seasonal event.

**blarajan** · Oct 31st, 2012, 6:42:33 PM

MONO ICE

Namikaze · Oct 31st, 2012, 7:02:15 PM

This seems like a really interesting ladder. I was hopng that on certain months it could highlight certain tiers so that people get exposed to other metas.

**Arcticblast** · Oct 31st, 2012, 7:10:56 PM

It's really just a fun ladder because everthing else is OMGSERIOUS so we're lightening the mood (but not our stomachs this month!).

I'm sure you can all imagine the disappointment when Hitmonchan doesn't OHKO Farfetch'd with Close Combat though.

Fizz · Oct 31st, 2012, 7:17:22 PM

Kinda cool although I wish it wasn't randbats. This ain't so fun though:

...

Relados · Oct 31st, 2012, 8:48:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Fizz

Kinda cool although I wish it wasn't randbats. This ain't so fun though:

...

Yeah, that glitch is a problem right now.

For now all the pokemon are level 100, rather than in level groupings like Random Battles. Not quite sure why that is, but it'd be preferable if the levels were not all the same.

Also, mono-Ice for December sounds reasonable to me.

Oct 27th, 2012, 2:03:29 PM	#2
Dusk209 No relation. Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 149	Personally, I find this to be a little be underwhelming - There should be more silliness involved than just a whitelist of allowed pokemon. Maybe add new rules to the tier, for example, any bird pokemon deal 1.5x damage, or all birds get instantly killed. There are tons of things you could do with this concept, but at the moment it seems lame in my opinion... __________________ [15:13:52] <&Zarel> Dusk209, you lied to me so much :( [15:14:47] <%Dusk209> Is there anything I can do to make up for my sins [15:15:42] <&Zarel> Dusk209, I accept blowjobs

Oct 27th, 2012, 2:14:39 PM	#3
Matthew I love weather; Sun for days Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,573 Where the Sun finally sets	Dusk isn't in the holiday spirit __________________ ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ What bitgamer tehconnection popcorn last.fm

Oct 30th, 2012, 10:02:28 PM	#6
*Zarel >> BEGIN POSTBIT Super Moderator** Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,130 >> END POSTBIT	For the record, it's extremely easy to implement rules like: "any bird pokemon deal 1.5x damage, or all birds get instantly killed". PS is made to be very easily moddable. __________________ Pokemon Showdown \| Replay player \| No, I am not impressed that you know that my name is Guangcong Luo. The PS website says "Copyright Guangcong Luo" at the bottom, ffs.

Oct 31st, 2012, 8:53:14 AM	#7
Quickster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 277 Sigh.	http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/se...eetings3653620 Illumise pro. It's starting to annoy me how a lot of Pokemon don't have a STAB attack. I know it's random but it's really trollish when your Gothitelle has Leftovers, Shadow Tag, Substitute and Calm Mind, but no Psychic attack. Also everything has TrickScarf Last edited by Quickster; Oct 31st, 2012 at 9:59:02 AM.

Oct 31st, 2012, 10:19:08 AM	#10
Level 51 barely clinging on Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 755 Location: Singapore ^.^	How is Gallade an autumn-related Pokemon ._. __________________ Back to school, gg contribution rate [15:59] <&@chaos\|away> i hence forth make it official: im better than arcticblast [15:59] <&@chaos\|away> spread the word

Oct 27th, 2012, 1:58:31 PM	#1
Matthew I love weather; Sun for days Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,573 Where the Sun finally sets	Seasonal Ladder - November art by Icepick This is a new ladder which we're implementing in the server on Pokemon Showdown! It is a randbat in its entirety but what's different is that we have limited the list of pokemon which will be picked from. The list of the pokemon which will be picked from is entirely dependent on what the current theme is. The theme will change every month, alongside the ladder. This is just some wacky fun thing that we (aldaron and I with help from a few others), thought would be a nice, fun, silly thing to do. The list we have chosen for this month is: Thanksgiving Feast. I will announce when the ladder is up and running in this thread & it will be a good time for all. whitelist alakazam machamp hypno hitmonlee hitmonchan Mr. Mime Jynx Hitmontop hariyama sableye medicham toxicroak electivire magmortar conkeldurr throh sawk Gothitelle beheeyem bisharp volbeat illumise spinda cacturne infernape lopunny lucario mienshao pidgeot fearow dodrio aerodactyl noctowl crobat xatu skarmory swellow staraptor honchkrow chatot unfezant sigilyph braviary mandibuzz farfetch'd pelipper alteria togekiss swoobat archeops swanna weavile gallade gardevoir ludicolo snorlax wobbuffet meloetta blissey landorus-i tornadus-i golurk bellossom lilligant probopass roserade leavanny zapdos moltres articuno delibird So please use this to discuss how you feel about this ladder as a whole, as we are open to suggestions! __________________ ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ What bitgamer tehconnection popcorn last.fm Last edited by Birkal; Nov 8th, 2012 at 10:53:05 PM. Reason: typos

Oct 27th, 2012, 2:59:12 PM	#4
The_Eevee_General Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 86 Porygon Oregon	The Whitelist is very Fighting, Psychic, and Flying-type heavy. Rocks are gonna be important... 5 spinners: Hitmons (3), Spinda, and Delibird, and only 2 Spinblockers: Sableye and Golurk. We will be watching... >.>

Oct 27th, 2012, 3:20:47 PM	#5
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	I really like the idea of seasonal metagames. I can just see Aerodactyl destroying in the Thanksgiving one, given two stabs that hit most of this metagame hard.

Oct 31st, 2012, 9:18:08 AM	#8
Zacchaeus Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,268	What level are these Pokés?

Oct 31st, 2012, 10:58:53 AM	#11
Quickster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 277 Sigh.	Pelipper is surprisingly good. All the sets I've had (and met) so far have had 3 or 4 attacking moves. Hydro Pump/Scald, Air Slash and Ice Beam get great coverage and its natural bulk let's it take most neutral attacks. Braviary is also great too, a Sheer Force boosted Rock Slide kills all the Flying types in the tier. Zapdos is brilliant too. I got it once with Substitute/Roost/Thunderbolt/Hidden Power Grass and Leftovers. NOTHING breaks through its substitutes except aerodactyl and archeops, who both get murdered by Thunderbolt. This thing is impossibly difficult to take down behind a sub. None of the Psychic types so far have been particularly good though. The foe's Gallade used Shadow Sneak! It doesn't affect Farfetch'd... Turn 14 KotseConfused forfeited. Also, #1 on the ladder but it won't last, especially considering how the team match-ups are luck based. Last edited by Quickster; Oct 31st, 2012 at 11:59:33 AM.

Oct 31st, 2012, 2:05:20 PM	#12
Matthew I love weather; Sun for days Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,573 Where the Sun finally sets	Really digging the ladder right now good to see you nerds playing it. I would like to apologize for the rushed sense of the month of November for this but you best believe that things are going to get more and more awesome for the meta here now that we have months to prepare these types of things. __________________ ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ What bitgamer tehconnection popcorn last.fm

Oct 31st, 2012, 2:31:26 PM	#13
Katakiri Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 758 Smogon Mobile. Ugh.	Ready for dinner and dessert. Bisharp & Gallade at least least brought knives. But no Muskedeers? The lack of Chandelure is shocking. I can already tell these are going to be very fun ladders.

Oct 31st, 2012, 3:00:57 PM	#14
Matthew I love weather; Sun for days Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,573 Where the Sun finally sets	man why is everyone complaining about Zapdos when Sigyliph is fucking tearing shit up whenever someone gets it. Shit is scary as hell to face. __________________ ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ What bitgamer tehconnection popcorn last.fm

Oct 31st, 2012, 3:05:49 PM	#15
Quickster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 277 Sigh.	Every Sigilyph I've gotten only had Psychic attacks. Dark types wall every Sigilyph set I've come across. Also, pretty much all Sigilyphs have Psycho Shift but not all of them have a Status Orb, rendering the move near useless. It's also murdered by dark attacks. Zapdos is killed by rock and ice type attacks but most of the pokemon that carry those moves are weak to Thunderbolt (Articuno, Aerodactyl etc). And for some reason, Zapdos has Lightningrod despite it not being released yet. Most of the Pokemon that beat Zapdos can't beat it when it's behind a substitute, a move which is present on nearly all its sets. And considering the number of grass types and flying types in this metagame, it's extremely easy to set up a sub. Sigilyph is obviously more threatening if it's accumulated lots of Cosmic Power boosts but it can still be easily phazed by Skarmory, and can't get past Dark types such as Bisharp and Mandibuzz. If you're one of the lucky ones who got a Sigilyph with an attack other than Stored Power, you should be very happy. Zapdos is much harder to stop than Sigilyph in most cases, but if you lack a Sigilyph counter you're almost guranteed to lose.

Oct 31st, 2012, 4:15:19 PM	#16
evillocke Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 71	This looks.....interesting...

Oct 31st, 2012, 4:40:33 PM	#17
akela Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,168 Minnesota	So, you are not supposed to know what items your pokemon hold? __________________ A S B

Oct 31st, 2012, 5:38:49 PM	#19
SHUCKLE MAN Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,084	I think a good idea for a future month would be one where only all the Pokemon from one type can be used (e.g. all rock types). It would be a completely different type of metagame. For example, using the rock example, most Pokemon have high defense, so some Pokemon that are usually physical attackers would be better as special attackers in that metagame, and a Pokemon like Cradily would be probably a top tier threat due to it not being weak to Water and Ground, and Sandstream would raise the special defense of the whole tier, and so on. Or in an all-grass metagame, it would be different too, with no spinners, and nobody would be able to use STAB moves, (moves like Sludge Bomb and HP Fire/Ice would probably be the main moves), Leech Seed doesn't work, likely rain/sun weather wars, and so on. And lets not even start with an all-Dragon metagame, it would probably be one of the most offensive and fast-paced metagames ever. I think mono-type metagames would certainly be interesting to play, even with randbats, if you ever run out of ideas lol. __________________ Shedinja fainted!

Oct 31st, 2012, 6:38:47 PM	#20
Quickster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 277 Sigh.	Monotype isn't a seasonal event.

Oct 31st, 2012, 6:42:33 PM	#21
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,723 Mentor	MONO ICE __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Oct 31st, 2012, 7:02:15 PM	#22
Namikaze Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 118 New York	This seems like a really interesting ladder. I was hopng that on certain months it could highlight certain tiers so that people get exposed to other metas.

Oct 31st, 2012, 7:10:56 PM	#23
Arcticblast is going goat Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,971 #serperiors Mentor	It's really just a fun ladder because everthing else is OMGSERIOUS so we're lightening the mood (but not our stomachs this month!). I'm sure you can all imagine the disappointment when Hitmonchan doesn't OHKO Farfetch'd with Close Combat though. __________________ New to Smogon? Afraid to jump into discussion? Introduce yourself! ------------------- Fail Cup \| Scramble! \| RMTs: Blistering Sands (BH) Night Stall (OU) \| ARcTicblast \| Demon Spawn \| signature art by Zracknel additional credit to Pocket and AccidentalGreed

Oct 31st, 2012, 7:17:22 PM	#24
Fizz Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 801	Kinda cool although I wish it wasn't randbats. This ain't so fun though: ... __________________ I'm on the Grammar-Prose Team; feel free to message me if you'd like to have something checked.