A change in the voting?(Dont move/delete this just because of the title please.)

~~Oiawesome~~ · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:04:07 PM

Why do we have councils?I belive anybody with a intelegent enough reasoning should have their opinion heard.

Why do I even suggest this?

Well the main fact is that that small amount of people in the councils,arent the entire playerbase from that tier so basicly you rely on the oppinions of a handfull amount of people to shape A ENTIRE TIER and what If(Just a example not true.) Evreybody in the councile thinks "Oh Chandalure is broken") and Most of the whole player base dosent?you have a unhappy playerbase,A possibly unbalancing ban or unjustified ban,and A tier molded by the opinions of a few people.

What is your "solution"

What I propose is to allow ALL of the intellegent playerbase to vote! Simply "Red Card/delete " the dumb and trolling posts,And also you have to explain your reasoning and then the count all of the intellegent votes and then determine the outcome!

I hope this pases and you can see how this hrlps the metagame,also tp finish this off im going to say 4th gen was a very solid and balanced metagame and Im preety sure it used this system.

**verbatim** · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:18:08 PM

Generally, the top x number of people in a tier will have a better understanding towards the metagame than a mass vote. We used to use a Suspect Voting system for OU (in which ladder rank could qualify you for a vote) but after some bans in gen 4 that aged badly the decision was made to move to a smaller, more condensed version, the council. Not to mention, it is much, much, MUCH easier to get things done quickly without having to pass an issue through the whole of the forum.

Woodchuck · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:21:10 PM

I think the title should have been "A change in the voting?(Dont move/delete this just because of the user please.)"

~~Oiawesome~~ · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:40:26 PM

@Verbatim,I see why you switched to council in gen4 but did you even try it in gen 5?I mean it could be benificial to the metagame and couldent this be tried for one round and see what impact it has?(negetive or positive)

@Woodchuck You always hated me didnt you?

**Pocket** · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:56:25 PM

70+ users were qualified voters and made tiering decisions in the past 2 OU suspect rounds. Is that not good enough for you?

MJB · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:57:30 PM

There are too main problems with this. Firstly It would take forever and a half to get anything done.

Secondly why do we need to change the current systems if so far there have been no problems with it?

~~Oiawesome~~ · Nov 19th, 2012, 8:48:00 PM

Since Evrey body who has seen this has disaproved If 3 more people dissagree,I would please like a mod to lock this.

***Great Sage***** · Nov 19th, 2012, 8:55:14 PM

Every tiering system is terrible.

***Iconic**** · Nov 19th, 2012, 9:22:24 PM

bring back suspect testing

**Fatecrashers** · Nov 19th, 2012, 11:42:12 PM

iconic leave

***Birkal**** · Nov 20th, 2012, 12:09:41 AM

yeah no kidding what in the world how did he post in our sekkrit forum >:|

Nov 19th, 2012, 7:04:07 PM	#1
~~Oiawesome~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 165	A change in the voting?(Dont move/delete this just because of the title please.) Why do we have councils?I belive anybody with a intelegent enough reasoning should have their opinion heard. *Why do I even suggest this?* Well the main fact is that that small amount of people in the councils,arent the entire playerbase from that tier so basicly you rely on the oppinions of a handfull amount of people to shape A ENTIRE TIER and what If(Just a example not true.) Evreybody in the councile thinks "Oh Chandalure is broken") and Most of the whole player base dosent?you have a unhappy playerbase,A possibly unbalancing ban or unjustified ban,and A tier molded by the opinions of a few people. *What is your "solution"* What I propose is to allow ALL of the intellegent playerbase to vote! Simply "Red Card/delete " the dumb and trolling posts,And also you have to explain your reasoning and then the count all of the intellegent votes and then determine the outcome! I hope this pases and you can see how this hrlps the metagame,also tp finish this off im going to say 4th gen was a very solid and balanced metagame and Im preety sure it used this system.

Nov 19th, 2012, 7:18:08 PM	#2
verbatim legends blurred and torn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,067 United States	Generally, the top x number of people in a tier will have a better understanding towards the metagame than a mass vote. We used to use a Suspect Voting system for OU (in which ladder rank could qualify you for a vote) but after some bans in gen 4 that aged badly the decision was made to move to a smaller, more condensed version, the council. Not to mention, it is much, much, MUCH easier to get things done quickly without having to pass an issue through the whole of the forum. Last edited by verbatim; Nov 19th, 2012 at 7:56:00 PM.

Nov 19th, 2012, 7:21:10 PM	#3
Woodchuck <Feranfell> punbot irl aka virginity protector Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,652 us best	I think the title should have been "A change in the voting?(Dont move/delete this just because of the user please.)" __________________

Nov 19th, 2012, 7:56:25 PM	#5
Pocket Bakuman ;< Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,185 Bergenfield	70+ users were qualified voters and made tiering decisions in the past 2 OU suspect rounds. Is that not good enough for you? __________________ Dark Horse Project: Conquer the Ladder! \| Word of Wisdom for Trainers \| Smogon Doubles: Let's Make It Official!

Nov 19th, 2012, 7:57:30 PM	#6
MJB Sup Peeps Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 272	There are too main problems with this. Firstly It would take forever and a half to get anything done. Secondly why do we need to change the current systems if so far there have been no problems with it? __________________ @kupo: jioo mkn @kupo: ... @kupo: hi mjb @kupo: * • @kupo facedesks

Nov 19th, 2012, 7:40:26 PM	#4
~~Oiawesome~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 165	@Verbatim,I see why you switched to council in gen4 but did you even try it in gen 5?I mean it could be benificial to the metagame and couldent this be tried for one round and see what impact it has?(negetive or positive) @Woodchuck You always hated me didnt you?

Nov 19th, 2012, 8:48:00 PM	#7
~~Oiawesome~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 165	Since Evrey body who has seen this has disaproved If 3 more people dissagree,I would please like a mod to lock this.

Nov 19th, 2012, 8:55:14 PM	#8
*Great Sage* Administrator** Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,872 Boston, MA Mentor	Every tiering system is terrible.

Nov 19th, 2012, 9:22:24 PM	#9
*Iconic Super Moderator** Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,784 Canadaland Mentor	bring back suspect testing __________________ ◠‿◠

Nov 19th, 2012, 11:42:12 PM	#10
Fatecrashers UNH UNH UNH UNH Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 4,915	iconic leave __________________

Nov 20th, 2012, 12:09:41 AM	#11
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,017 The Mentor	yeah no kidding what in the world how did he post in our sekkrit forum >:\| __________________