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Nov 2nd, 2012, 4:42:59 AM
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Woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo-woo-hoo-hoo-hoo!
      
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October 2012 OU / Suspect Stats
Many thanks once again to the mighty Antar.
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Moveset Statistics OU: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322898/ OU Suspect: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1322910/
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 5:41:07 AM
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Holy bejebus 50%+ on Genesect(!) on BOTH!
This is probably, nay definitely a telltale sign that Genesect needs to be tested (and hopefully gets kicked to Ubers). Poor Lando-T, looks like he's going to be BL2/UU soon. :( Thanks for the stats, as always!
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 6:32:01 AM
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Poor Cube didn't even get #1 in its own suspect test :c
Guess he'll be coming down to OU then.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 6:33:13 AM
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Wow Genesect, you attention whore.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 6:48:46 AM
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Needs more 1337 stats. Though, even these still show that Rain and Genesect are dominating.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 6:50:56 AM
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all hail king Genesect
Surprised Dragonite's so high, haven't seen that many. Deoxys-D at only 5% is kind of surprising given how much of a utter monster it is.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 7:16:12 AM
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 7:40:34 AM
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Yeah 1337 usage statistics please. I'm sure the bottom ladder is a great contributor to Gene's usage (at least I'm hoping; Oh My God 50+% is BS). Politoed makes a FAR second. Damn.
Lol: Kyreum-B makes #6. Are you sure these statistics are accurate Q_Q Then again, I usually play on PO so I wouldn't know what PS players like to use I guess. Xatu and Stoutland are below 50 on the OU usage. How sad. Dragonite is still so pro this metagame, +2 nearly crushes EVERY offensive team. It helps that Gene is OHKO at +2 and always outsped after rocks. Deo-D is so low, and people actually put it on suspect? Lol. Remember when we thought terrakion was possibly broken? Looks like he escapes suspect this round, with Genesect and rain taking the tide of the metagame.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 7:57:57 AM
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Does it bother anybody else that if the OU list were based on this month's Suspect stats, it would only consist of thirty seven Pokemon? I'm sure a lot of this can be attributed to Kyurem-B being so damn strong, but most of the reason seems to be Genesect and its MASSIVE 50% usage.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 8:16:40 AM
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Holy fuckballs, Genesect is number 1 and Scizor dropped to number 5? I remember it was #1 for all eternity until the B/W 2 move tutors stepped in and gave rain a fuckload of options along with the Therians and Keldeo.
BTW: | 52 | Landorus-Therian | 28576 | 3.690% | 24174 | 3.863% |  Another powerhouse down to UU possibly? |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 8:55:09 AM
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| 5 | Keldeo | 5664 | 25.077% | 4575 | 23.488% | | 12 | Deoxys-Defense | 3579 | 15.846% | 3445 | 17.686% | | 13 | Landorus | 3345 | 14.810% | 2649 | 13.600% | | 26 | Latias | 2042 | 9.041% | 1773 | 9.102% | | 37 | Gliscor | 840 | 3.719% | 705 | 3.619% | | 42 | Alakazam | 644 | 2.851% | 527 | 2.706% | | 61 | Gyarados | 343 | 1.519% | 302 | 1.550% | OU | 9 | Gliscor | 86973 | 11.232% | 68512 | 10.947% | | 19 | Alakazam | 70519 | 9.107% | 54079 | 8.641% | | 30 | Gyarados | 54568 | 7.047% | 43322 | 6.922% | | 39 | Landorus | 45095 | 5.824% | 35188 | 5.622% | | 43 | Keldeo | 40073 | 5.175% | 31355 | 5.010% | | 45 | Deoxys-Defense | 39612 | 5.116% | 35683 | 5.702% | | 46 | Latias | 37620 | 4.858% | 29448 | 4.705% | I don't know what to think. |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 9:03:00 AM
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I say ban them all! I'm kidding of course, but yep, that pretty much spells how much OU is starting to push itself into a corner. I don't think that things will remain as they currently are though, so I'm not exactly worried about it. |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 9:39:14 AM
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I think the suspect ladder is a lot more telling of what mons are good in this meta and what strategies dominate (the suspect ladder really had a higher overall skill level). So I'm going to take them as pseudo-1337 stats.
OU | 1 | Genesect | 145258 | 18.759% Suspect | 1 | Genesect | 11417 | 50.549% A 32% jump.....Yea......Genesect definitely needs looking at lol, it has way too much versatility and RP gene is basically the perfect sweeper. It also saddens me that genesect is the most common teammate/2nd most common teammate for almost every pokemon in Suspect. Gensect is basically the ultimate glue pokemon and you're missing out if you're not using it. OU | 16 | Terrakion | 76309 | 9.855% Suspect | 3 | Terrakion | 6216 | 27.521% Another massive difference...Terrakion really is amazing guys. Also interesting is the item usage OU Focus Sash 7.210%, 4th most used item Suspect Focus Sash 36.100%, most used item Lead terrakion getting really popular to beat deoxys-D leads without magic coat/mental herb i guess. OU | 11 | Garchomp | 81762 | 10.559% Suspect | 4 | Garchomp | 5933 | 26.268% A very slightly less impressive jump but still, Garchomp shows that it's still the overall best dragon around. (even with genesect with over 50% usage >.>) OU | 43 | Keldeo | 40073 | 5.175% Suspect | 5 | Keldeo | 5664 | 25.077% ....I think this speaks for itself lawl. Keldeo is amazing and it needs way more usage in a meta where all of its counters are a liability to have. OU | 4 | Dragonite | 124017 | 16.016% Suspect | 16 | Dragonite | 2617 | 11.587% Dragonite isn't that great guys....DD is actually just too slow in this meta, multiscale is too easy too break. OU | 27 | Tornadus-Therian | 55958 | 7.226% Suspect | 11 | Tornadus-Therian | 3580 | 15.851% Torn-T is soo good, suspect players indeed realise this. OU | 6 | Heatran | 113887 | 14.707% Suspect | 20 | Heatran | 2550 | 11.290% 3.5% drop isn't that much, but I do find it interesting considering heatran is supposed to be the #1 stop to gene, who has over 50% usage in suspect >.> In a rain dominated meta I guess heatran finds it hard to shine? OU | 9 | Gliscor | 86973 | 11.232% Suspect | 37 | Gliscor | 840 | 3.719% I don't even know what to say about this O.o Gliscor going from top 10 in OU to barely keeping out of UU in suspect... OU | 45 | Deoxys-Defense | 39612 | 5.116% Suspect | 12 | Deoxys-Defense | 3579 | 15.846% Deoxys-D hyper offense is so great atm, the ability to quickly and efficiently get up hazards is sooo useful. OU | 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% Suspect | 71 | Ninjask | 229 | 1.014% Guys...why is Ninjask almost OU....please don't let this usage continue. And something else that is incredibly interesting Suspect Landorus | +----------------------------------------+ | Abilties | | Sheer Force 86.697% | | Sand Force 13.303% Compared to OU Landorus | +----------------------------------------+ | Abilties | | Sand Force 51.573% | | Sheer Force 48.427% Sheer force landorus ftw? And yea as others have mentioned, the suspect ladder is way more heavily centralised than the regular ladder, which is quite telling. Last edited by Ghostbone; Nov 2nd, 2012 at 11:46:21 AM. Reason: For purposes |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:10:10 AM
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I think that Garchomp is under used due to Genesect ... But I still think Deoxys-D is not broken, I can't see why he's "so hard to handle". I agree with Terrakion/Keldeo, they're stronger than OU usage rankings. |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
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Honestly though Deoxys-D's usage in reg OU is just a crime. It's quite certainly the best supporter in the entire metagame, but it struggles to be OU? come on. As for Genesect's suspect usage... I don't know what to think. Yeah, Genesect is pretty strong, yeah Scarf checks a ridiculous amount of stuff, Rock Polish is ridiculously overpowered and Band can surprise people, but 50% is ridiculous |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:26:51 AM
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Yeah, you see these suspect stats make more sense. Things like Keldeo and Deoxys-D are high because they're ridiculously good Pokemon. Latias sees the use it deserves (it's offensive sets are literally just as good as Latios imo). Things like Metagross aren't seen because it's aggressively mediocre, etc.
| 1 | Genesect | 11417 | 50.549% | 10233 | 52.536% | I don't think any Pokemon has ever this much usage in any OU metagame. Even DPP OU Garchomp couldn't crack 50%... Not much else to say, the usage stat pretty much speaks for itself.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:46:14 AM
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Oh wow. Pretty interesting statistics ._.
a.) Lucario is steadily but surely rising (37 to 35 not bad ) b.) Dragonite still holds the spot as #1 most used dragon, even with the re-introduction of Garchomp. Impressive :) c.) Mence is gunna need some new toys, Gamefreak. Soon. d.) Genesect as #1? Not f*cking surprised at all, not at all... e.) Politoed is holding most dominant weather right now, so I guess rain is still dominant over the others...meaning Sand Veil should be brought back....JK ^^
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:49:13 AM
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If Gene is gone prepare for the onslaught of Deo-D + 5 sweepers again. Not surprised in the least bit, but god damn he took number 1 and ran away with it lol.
Also I'm noticing the spike in Gengar and Cloyster usage, no doubt due to these two, just a random note of mine.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:54:27 AM
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Fucking Insect did it .He broke the record*JAW DROP* 50% just damn.
AND HE JUST DAMN HAD TO TAKE THE TEAMATES RECORD TOO! Cheers ^_^ |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 11:43:42 AM
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:04:03 PM
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I honestly wouldn't take the Suspect stats too serious even though they give a better view at what good players use, you have to take into account that a lot of people simply copied successful teams to get reqs wich pushes the pokemon that are used on this teams to a higher percentage than it would on a "normal" Ou Ladder where people actually test stuff and build their own teams instead of carbon copying the 3-4 successful teams that are currently around.
However looking at the OU stats i really question our current method of creating the tiers even though i was always largely opposed of using 1337 stats or god forbid a council to determine tiers, but quite frankly the PS user base is horrible. |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:07:06 PM
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Other intriguing stats? How about Deoxys-D weighing in at #12? Or Keldeo at #5? Terrakion at #3? Deoxys-D and Keldeo are both in the 40s on normal OU usage stats - their exceptionally high usage on Suspect ladder proves how dominant these Pokemon really are on a high level of competition. As far as I'm concerned, these are the true usage stats for OU. They show the metagame as it really is: dominated by Rain and offense spam. |
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:22:32 PM
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During the suspect test of genesect, I hope the participant will remove all their bias of genesect to judge whether genesect is an insanely versatile pokemon that can fit on any team type, or this and a pokemon thats so versatile it's broken, although genesect is reasonably predictable. Right now I just wnat to sit back and watch what happens. If genesect is gone, expect a massive back lash from the insane amount of mons genesect keeps in check, either way I hope people punish the voters than ban genesect, because at this point I see only a few people that don't have bias against this insect and punishment shall be releasing the full power of the many dragons and mons that are stopped from genesect.
I really want this suspect test to show whether genesect is health or unhealth for the metagame, I don't think it's something many people have thought about for real, it's just too easy to bash a pokemon as genesect as broken and justify it while maintaining a degree of respect.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:37:46 PM
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i've always thought genesect is just too good and to me the suspect usage stats show it download + it's great stats makes it the PERFECT mon for volt-switch heavy teams since you almost always can get a boost that benefits it the most.
you almost can not go wrong with genesect unless you are terrible. also torn-T is fucking good fuck what the naysayers during the early days of B/W2 torn-T is amazing and should be used if your running rain.
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Nov 2nd, 2012, 12:46:54 PM
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All I ask that people are objective about genesect, he dose help out the metagame too by keeping huge threats in check, honestly if he goes expect dragonite and salamence to come back with a vengance.
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