better clear your mess

yogert · Dec 5th, 2012, 6:34:48 PM

Cuz il sweep your team right out of neighborhood

Heeey guys il be presenting a team to you a team that i have been sucsessfull with but i need some suggestions (Reason why most people post RMTS in the first place) to make this team a bit better. lets get started!

Machamp (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: No Guard
EVs: 240 HP / 248 Atk / 16 SDef / 4 Spd
- DynamicPunch
- Payback
- Ice Punch
- Bullet Punch

ill lead with this poke sometimes to get opposing leads forced too switch and also get allot of damage dealt with when i lead

Heatran @ Life Orb
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Stealth Rock
i usually lead this thing off with either this too get my rocks or machamp too stop most leads or gengar to shutdown lead stealth rockers and while rocking still offensive enough (which is my play style) to support my team members too break apart the opponents team.

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Trick
- Hidden Power [Ice]

this thing can scarf leads that use stealth rocks like deo-d to shut it down or revenge stuff like +1 Dnite and surprise starmies or high base speed pokes that can kill off guard.

Terrakion @ Air Balloon
Trait: Justified
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- Swords Dance
- Rock Polish

i think its realy strait forward. clear out priority users, find a way to setup and checkmate. this guy can help other mates also with clearing way for the dragons and making room for gengar to sweep.

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Mild Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Superpower
- Earthquake

this thing makes holes in the opposing teem to clear way for my last poke with its sheer power it can stir up with it monstrous attack. this thing makes it hard too stop when it fires its attack which is one of my Favorited pokemon to use

Salamence @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature
- Outrage
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake

this pokemon will pick off the holes that my other teammates have made to win me the game and to revenge somethin when gengar is not around or has no scarf to revenge.

Well i hope this wraps things up i am still a new person in this forum so please leave suggestions and feed back and goodbye!

Trinitrotoluene · Dec 6th, 2012, 3:16:06 AM

Hey. I really like this team, especially since you're using one of my favorite offensive cores (MixDreigon and Scarf MoxieMence), and it's a shame that you're not receiving any rates. However, there are a few issues I think that should be dealt with to ensure your success in the mayhem known to many of us as OU. For one, aside from Gengar, your team is vulnerable to Sheer Force Landorus, arguably the largest specially-based threat in the OU metagame. While it lacks many opportunities to accrue boosts, it can force out your Heatran with the threat of Earth Power and boost from there. To help against it, I'd recommend using LO Latias over Machamp, which appears to be the least useful member of your team. Latias does so much more for your team than Machamp does. For one, it can beat Sheer Force Landorus, which is a problem for the rest of your team. In addition, it also helps keep Keldeo, Breloom and opposing Terrakion down, reducing the stress levels on the rest of your team. This change exacerbates a vulnerability to Ice-type moves, and changing Hydreigon to Life Orb Mamoswine helps with that. With Thick Fat, Mamoswine actually packs a resistance to Ice-type moves, and thanks to its access to Ice Shard, it can also pick apart opposing dragons faster than your Salamence, allowing your Salamence to move along unfettered by them. Its Ground STAB also helps when facing down threats such as Jirachi and opposing Heatran, which wall Salamence almost effortlessly. Mamoswine also gives your team another check to Sheer Force Landorus, making that almost a non-issue.

The following paragraph will be dedicated to nitpicks. For one, Gastrodon doesn't exactly seem to be the biggest threat to your team, so you could try using Hidden Power Ice over Hidden Power Grass. This nitpick allows you to use Heatran as a defensive buffer against many of OU's powerful dragons, as well as a stopper to SubToxic Gliscor, which looks like an incredibly annoying Pokemon to face down. For Terrakion, you noted that revenge killers and priority abusers are a problem for you to face down. To help stave off said problems, you could opt to use Substitute over Rock Polish. In addition, you could use a Salac Berry over Air Balloon. This lets your Terrakion get a Speed boost after three subs and sweep when the opposing team is weakened sufficiently. This also helps the team fight off sun teams, which look like huge problems for your team to deal with. Finally, I'd recommend using a Naive Nature over the Naughty Nature currently on your Salamence. This lets your Mence speed tie with Timid Offensive QD Volcarona, Jolly Scarf Jirachi, and Jolly Salamence, and outpace Modest and Adamant versions.

Sets:

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- Hidden Power Grass ----> Hidden Power Ice
- Rock Polish ----> Substitute
- Air Balloon ----> Salac Berry
- Naughty ----> Naive

Just a heads up, but you really should expand your descriptions, since this thread seems to be in violation of Rule #3 of this forum. If you don't, this thread will be locked. Good luck with your team. I hope these changes help.

tintinwong · Dec 6th, 2012, 6:33:52 AM

Those are certainly good changes. I like you team quite a lot with the dual scarfers and dragons. Cool.
I used scarf latios and scarf moxiemence on the same team, and it poses quite a lot of offensive pressure on the opponent.

Latias is a good change for defense, but of you ever favor offense, this is for you.
Since you have gengar already, scarfing latios would be redundant, so life orb/ choice specs is fine.
Life orb set is the same as latias, while specs replaces roost with Draco meteor.

Hope this alternative change helps.

yogert · Dec 6th, 2012, 4:49:12 PM

Trinitrotoluene i have looked at youre changes and played with it some games with it and its pretty cool but il have to play around with it more. and i have changed my wording, not the best but i hope its fine.

Joeyboy · Dec 6th, 2012, 5:55:18 PM

Cool team man!

Trinitrotoluene has given you a bunch of really solid recommendations that help you a lot against specific threats. The recommendation I want to make is less to help against threats and more to improve the overall theme of the team. The main suggestion I want to make is replace Heatran with Deoxys-D. Now before I explain the suggestion, here is the set:

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The reason I think Deoxys-D would make such an awesome edition to your team is because it so easily fits in and works with all of your other Pokemon to eradicate the opposing team. Your team loves hazard support, all of your Pokemon hit very hard, the threat of their attacks often force your opponent to respond by switching out to something to weather said hit; but with Deoxys-D's hazards that plan becomes increasingly impossible. Jirachis can no longer sponge your Dragon-type attacks, Hippowdon's fear switching into your Terrakion; plus you've already got a spinblocker built right into your team!

The set I've chosen is what I believe to be the most effective, pure hazard laying Deoxys-D. Mental Herb stops the, increasingly common Taunt starters, and allows you to Taunt them instead. Hazards are obvious, but with Thunder Wave many Pokemon who want to set up on Deoxys-D become paralyzed trash. If you find that having no attacking moves is not to your liking, by all means switch Thunder Wave for something with a little oomph.

With this change though you do lose one of the best Sun counters in the game however. But with Dugtrios as common as they are on those Sun teams and Trinitrotoluene's suggested changes, all of which I too recommend, I believe Sun teams will not be as problematic as they seem. Hell, Latias, Salamence, Terrakion, and Mamoswine all give Sun a hard time :)

So I hope you give Deoxys-D a shot, I really think it will be able to give your team the all-star support it needs to become great.

Good Luck!

yogert · Dec 7th, 2012, 6:02:53 PM

ah thanks guys. i have been playing around somemore games and i have found that latios is not fitting my fit. i have found that its still better than machamp, but it feels that its still to not bulky enough to take hits its normally able to do and not that enough power to hit back in favor. the mamo switch is definitely helping me allot though with no problem. anything to switch for exchange for latias or opinions?

Dec 5th, 2012, 6:34:48 PM	#1
yogert Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3	better clear your mess Cuz il sweep your team right out of neighborhood Heeey guys il be presenting a team to you a team that i have been sucsessfull with but i need some suggestions (Reason why most people post RMTS in the first place) to make this team a bit better. lets get started! Machamp (M) @ Lum Berry Trait: No Guard EVs: 240 HP / 248 Atk / 16 SDef / 4 Spd - DynamicPunch - Payback - Ice Punch - Bullet Punch ill lead with this poke sometimes to get opposing leads forced too switch and also get allot of damage dealt with when i lead Heatran @ Life Orb Trait: Flash Fire EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Timid Nature - Fire Blast - Earth Power - Hidden Power [Grass] - Stealth Rock i usually lead this thing off with either this too get my rocks or machamp too stop most leads or gengar to shutdown lead stealth rockers and while rocking still offensive enough (which is my play style) to support my team members too break apart the opponents team. Gengar @ Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Timid Nature - Shadow Ball - Focus Blast - Trick - Hidden Power [Ice] this thing can scarf leads that use stealth rocks like deo-d to shut it down or revenge stuff like +1 Dnite and surprise starmies or high base speed pokes that can kill off guard. Terrakion @ Air Balloon Trait: Justified EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Jolly Nature - Close Combat - Stone Edge - Swords Dance - Rock Polish i think its realy strait forward. clear out priority users, find a way to setup and checkmate. this guy can help other mates also with clearing way for the dragons and making room for gengar to sweep. Hydreigon @ Life Orb Trait: Levitate EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Mild Nature - Draco Meteor - Fire Blast - Superpower - Earthquake this thing makes holes in the opposing teem to clear way for my last poke with its sheer power it can stir up with it monstrous attack. this thing makes it hard too stop when it fires its attack which is one of my Favorited pokemon to use Salamence @ Choice Scarf Trait: Moxie EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Naughty Nature - Outrage - Dragon Claw - Fire Blast - Earthquake this pokemon will pick off the holes that my other teammates have made to win me the game and to revenge somethin when gengar is not around or has no scarf to revenge. Well i hope this wraps things up i am still a new person in this forum so please leave suggestions and feed back and goodbye! Last edited by yogert; Dec 6th, 2012 at 4:46:34 PM.

Dec 6th, 2012, 3:16:06 AM	#2
Trinitrotoluene bring no surprise Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 748 np: Armin Van Buuren - Love You More (Instrumental Mix) Mentor	Hey. I really like this team, especially since you're using one of my favorite offensive cores (MixDreigon and Scarf MoxieMence), and it's a shame that you're not receiving any rates. However, there are a few issues I think that should be dealt with to ensure your success in the mayhem known to many of us as OU. For one, aside from Gengar, your team is vulnerable to Sheer Force Landorus, arguably the largest specially-based threat in the OU metagame. While it lacks many opportunities to accrue boosts, it can force out your Heatran with the threat of Earth Power and boost from there. To help against it, I'd recommend using LO Latias over Machamp, which appears to be the least useful member of your team. Latias does so much more for your team than Machamp does. For one, it can beat Sheer Force Landorus, which is a problem for the rest of your team. In addition, it also helps keep Keldeo, Breloom and opposing Terrakion down, reducing the stress levels on the rest of your team. This change exacerbates a vulnerability to Ice-type moves, and changing Hydreigon to Life Orb Mamoswine helps with that. With Thick Fat, Mamoswine actually packs a resistance to Ice-type moves, and thanks to its access to Ice Shard, it can also pick apart opposing dragons faster than your Salamence, allowing your Salamence to move along unfettered by them. Its Ground STAB also helps when facing down threats such as Jirachi and opposing Heatran, which wall Salamence almost effortlessly. Mamoswine also gives your team another check to Sheer Force Landorus, making that almost a non-issue. The following paragraph will be dedicated to nitpicks. For one, Gastrodon doesn't exactly seem to be the biggest threat to your team, so you could try using Hidden Power Ice over Hidden Power Grass. This nitpick allows you to use Heatran as a defensive buffer against many of OU's powerful dragons, as well as a stopper to SubToxic Gliscor, which looks like an incredibly annoying Pokemon to face down. For Terrakion, you noted that revenge killers and priority abusers are a problem for you to face down. To help stave off said problems, you could opt to use Substitute over Rock Polish. In addition, you could use a Salac Berry over Air Balloon. This lets your Terrakion get a Speed boost after three subs and sweep when the opposing team is weakened sufficiently. This also helps the team fight off sun teams, which look like huge problems for your team to deal with. Finally, I'd recommend using a Naive Nature over the Naughty Nature currently on your Salamence. This lets your Mence speed tie with Timid Offensive QD Volcarona, Jolly Scarf Jirachi, and Jolly Salamence, and outpace Modest and Adamant versions. Sets: Latias @ Life Orb \| Levitate Timid \| 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe \| IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe Draco Meteor \| Hidden Power \| Psyshock \| Roost Mamoswine @ Life Orb \| Thick Fat Jolly \| 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe Earthquake \| Ice Shard \| Icicle Spear \| Stone Edge Nitpicks: *---->* *---->* *Hidden Power Grass ----> Hidden Power Ice* *Rock Polish ----> Substitute* *Air Balloon ----> Salac Berry* *Naughty ----> Naive* Just a heads up, but you really should expand your descriptions, since this thread seems to be in violation of Rule #3 of this forum. If you don't, this thread will be locked. Good luck with your team. I hope these changes help. __________________

Dec 6th, 2012, 5:55:18 PM	#5
Joeyboy Check out my new Youtube channel! Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,252 JoeyboyGames! Mentor	Cool team man! Trinitrotoluene has given you a bunch of really solid recommendations that help you a lot against specific threats. The recommendation I want to make is less to help against threats and more to improve the overall theme of the team. The main suggestion I want to make is replace Heatran with Deoxys-D. Now before I explain the suggestion, here is the set: ... Deoxys-Defense @ Mental Herb Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 4 Def Timid Nature - Stealth Rock - Spikes - Taunt - Thunder Wave / Psycho Boost The reason I think Deoxys-D would make such an awesome edition to your team is because it so easily fits in and works with all of your other Pokemon to eradicate the opposing team. Your team loves hazard support, all of your Pokemon hit very hard, the threat of their attacks often force your opponent to respond by switching out to something to weather said hit; but with Deoxys-D's hazards that plan becomes increasingly impossible. Jirachis can no longer sponge your Dragon-type attacks, Hippowdon's fear switching into your Terrakion; plus you've already got a spinblocker built right into your team! The set I've chosen is what I believe to be the most effective, pure hazard laying Deoxys-D. Mental Herb stops the, increasingly common Taunt starters, and allows you to Taunt them instead. Hazards are obvious, but with Thunder Wave many Pokemon who want to set up on Deoxys-D become paralyzed trash. If you find that having no attacking moves is not to your liking, by all means switch Thunder Wave for something with a little oomph. With this change though you do lose one of the best Sun counters in the game however. But with Dugtrios as common as they are on those Sun teams and Trinitrotoluene's suggested changes, all of which I too recommend, I believe Sun teams will not be as problematic as they seem. Hell, Latias, Salamence, Terrakion, and Mamoswine all give Sun a hard time :) So I hope you give Deoxys-D a shot, I really think it will be able to give your team the all-star support it needs to become great. Good Luck! __________________ Youtube Channel \| Latest OU Mini-Tour \| Smog Work

Dec 6th, 2012, 6:33:52 AM	#3
tintinwong Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 96	Those are certainly good changes. I like you team quite a lot with the dual scarfers and dragons. Cool. I used scarf latios and scarf moxiemence on the same team, and it poses quite a lot of offensive pressure on the opponent. Latias is a good change for defense, but of you ever favor offense, this is for you. Since you have gengar already, scarfing latios would be redundant, so life orb/ choice specs is fine. Life orb set is the same as latias, while specs replaces roost with Draco meteor. Hope this alternative change helps.

Dec 6th, 2012, 4:49:12 PM	#4
yogert Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3	Trinitrotoluene i have looked at youre changes and played with it some games with it and its pretty cool but il have to play around with it more. and i have changed my wording, not the best but i hope its fine.

Dec 7th, 2012, 6:02:53 PM	#6
yogert Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3	ah thanks guys. i have been playing around somemore games and i have found that latios is not fitting my fit. i have found that its still better than machamp, but it feels that its still to not bulky enough to take hits its normally able to do and not that enough power to hit back in favor. the mamo switch is definitely helping me allot though with no problem. anything to switch for exchange for latias or opinions?