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Time for some more +/- for all the folks out there who care :D
Oh my god UU what happened o.o. And wow, Tornadus, then Meloetta, then Virizion. Apparently these guys just dont have a good meta to be in :( RU only has 2 Pokemon who didn't move in some way. Hot diggity. And everyone should check out LC. It's worth it for the end :D Biggest jump in any metagame not considered an "additional" metagame.
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i predicit a massive jump in celebi usage next month now genesect is gone, celebi is so versitile and anti rain, genesect just renders it a liability 21% of the time
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As much as I want the "pure stats" to keep being used for defining the tiers, I'm eager to see the 1337 stats. I seriously cannot understand how we have so many pokémon above the OU cutoff and we have shit like Keldeo and Landorus-I below Lucario and Cloyster. Seriously, where are those fuckers hiding?
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My Thoughts On OU:
| 1 | Genesect | 183712 | 20.689% | 155200 | 21.652% | Hm, this guy's banned? Well, OU will look a lot cooler now. Maybe some other Pokes won't unnecessarily drop to UU because of him now? :D I'm honestly glad I took a break from laddering, because now I can return and continue using the Pokes I use without so much as a fuss. | 2 | Politoed | 144231 | 16.243% | 132634 | 18.503% | | 3 | Ferrothorn | 138834 | 15.635% | 118778 | 16.570% | | 4 | Dragonite | 137865 | 15.526% | 106796 | 14.899% | | 5 | Scizor | 132492 | 14.921% | 104015 | 14.511% | | 6 | Heatran | 130505 | 14.697% | 108294 | 15.108% | | 7 | Garchomp | 116907 | 13.166% | 88980 | 12.413% | | 8 | Breloom | 116676 | 13.140% | 92731 | 12.937% | | 10 | Terrakion | 102707 | 11.567% | 76246 | 10.637% | | 11 | Jirachi | 97925 | 11.028% | 80021 | 11.164% | *shrug* These mons still define OU. I'm still a little irked about Garchomp's continued presence in OU, but I won't let it get to me. | 19 | Cloyster | 80782 | 9.098% | 62684 | 8.745% | | 22 | Infernape | 74958 | 8.442% | 61125 | 8.527% | These two Pokemon aren't very good in OU's metagame. I dunno, but every time I see an Infernape I just OHKO it and laugh. | 32 | Deoxys-Defense | 57823 | 6.512% | 52711 | 7.354% | 'Kay, Deo-D's getting the love he truly deserves. For being a possible Suspect, Deo-D should probs be used more on different teams. Although, Deo-D does allow weatherless to still have an edge. Not sure if Deo-D should be banned or not myself, but I'm leaning towards the former. | 35 | Gyarados | 56328 | 6.344% | 45055 | 6.286% | Maybe it's just me, but I absolutely hate Gyarados. I can't use him worth spit, but others are capable of him at least being above mediocrity. I don't quite get it, but I will shrug as I'm sure it's a solid Pokemon under the right hands. I'd probs say this is more UU-able than Infernape or Cloyster, though. | 40 | Keldeo | 50184 | 5.652% | 38666 | 5.394% | Just because I took a break doesn't mean I'm not going to try and give this guy more usage (I'm still taking a break due to finals, but once finals are over I will probably use this guy, Dusknoir, and Volcarona more). | 46 | Metagross | 43545 | 4.904% | 35716 | 4.983% | *sighs* Did this guy move AT ALL from where he was in October? I'd rather let Metagross drop to UU, tbh. He's the most outclassed Steel-type I have ever seen. I think even Registeel does the "set-up" Rocks thing better! | 47 | Haxorus | 41256 | 4.646% | 31430 | 4.385% | | 50 | Landorus-Therian | 37511 | 4.224% | 31606 | 4.409% | | 51 | Reuniclus | 36184 | 4.075% | 28095 | 3.919% | | 54 | Chansey | 34380 | 3.872% | 27563 | 3.845% | These four Pokemon have, as of now, long overstayed their welcome in the OU metagame. They might be meritable, but I can't see why Haxorus isn't outclassed, or why I couldn't use Alakazam over Reuniclus any day. Chansey's presence here seems to be part of some stupid theorymon conspiracy of "oh noes it might damage UU." Chansey ain't gon' do squat in UU other than be target practice for Scrafty and Mienshao. | 53 | Gastrodon | 34744 | 3.913% | 28538 | 3.981% | | 55 | Hippowdon | 31978 | 3.601% | 28649 | 3.997% | | 56 | Ninjask | 29912 | 3.369% | 27046 | 3.773% | | 57 | Abomasnow | 25809 | 2.907% | 23152 | 3.230% | | 58 | Sableye | 22314 | 2.513% | 18885 | 2.635% | On the other hand, I might look forward to keeping the Don and Ninjask around. At least I got more people to use Sableye so I'm not alone in the ordeal. Or maybe people realize he, while being as mediocre as all the other Ghost-types in non-Ubers, helps make Stall the Master Race of OU again for the fourth set of Generations in a row (since Gen 2). Either way I look forward to seeing more Sableye usage. People in UU don't seem to give a shit about him. My Thoughts on UU: | 1 | Heracross | 5268 | 21.930% | 4121 | 20.701% | | 2 | Chandelure | 4752 | 19.782% | 4010 | 20.143% | | 3 | Blastoise | 4121 | 17.155% | 3503 | 17.597% | | 4 | Roserade | 3816 | 15.885% | 3132 | 15.733% | | 5 | Bronzong | 3753 | 15.623% | 3424 | 17.200% | | 6 | Snorlax | 3513 | 14.624% | 2870 | 14.417% | | 7 | Nidoking | 3366 | 14.012% | 2693 | 13.528% | | 8 | Zapdos | 3335 | 13.883% | 2730 | 13.714% | | 9 | Darmanitan | 3329 | 13.858% | 2778 | 13.955% | | 10 | Flygon | 3144 | 13.088% | 2572 | 12.920% | | 11 | Raikou | 2968 | 12.355% | 2387 | 11.991% | Switch Flygon and Raikou around, and we have ourselves an accurate depiction of the Top 10 UU Pokemon. People are starting to get it now! | 19 | Ambipom | 2404 | 10.007% | 2142 | 10.760% | I thought I convinced enough people to use something else over Ambipom? Or do I have a bunch of Redditors to yell at now? | 25 | Victini | 2100 | 8.742% | 1726 | 8.670% | While a lot of people seem to enjoy physical sets from Victini, I find more appeal in utilizing his special movepool, because it's actually rather good. Victory Star helps a bit with Thunder's accuracy woes. | 38 | Machamp | 1530 | 6.369% | 1280 | 6.430% | *sighs* Some things don't change, do they? | 41 | Bisharp | 1447 | 6.024% | 1168 | 5.867% | Hm, glad to see this guy has more appreciation. | 49 | Dusclops | 1242 | 5.170% | 1062 | 5.335% | | 50 | Tornadus | 1172 | 4.879% | 991 | 4.978% | | 51 | Meloetta | 1159 | 4.825% | 940 | 4.722% | | 52 | Virizion | 1152 | 4.796% | 918 | 4.611% | *headdesk* | 56 | Houndoom | 886 | 3.688% | 724 | 3.637% | 'Kay, that's what I get for using Victini instead of him. :( My Thoughts on RU: | 17 | Dusknoir | 6315 | 10.235% | 5347 | 10.529% | My absence from RU is partially to blame for Dusknoir being somewhat lower in usage. Thankfully, his competitor Spiritomb is also amongst the Top 20 and Molk can thusly shut up about him hopefully forever. Of course, I find all non-Uber Ghost-types to be mediocre. So, honestly, I hope that sets some people straight. If it doesn't, the undisputable fact RU is a broken tier will. | 24 | Hitmonchan | 5635 | 9.133% | 4584 | 9.026% | See, this is something a tad more worrisome than two mediocre Ghost-types being in Top 20-land. At least Sandslash has LumSD, whereas Hitmonchan has no astonishing sets for which warrant his usage in RU at all. | 35 | Electivire | 4784 | 7.754% | 3813 | 7.508% | Near everything about "Top 40" was perfect for RU. And then this happens. Oh well, one individual can't influence a whole tier to be perfect in displaying what's at least halfway viable and what isn't even close to being good in RU. | 40 | Whimsicott | 3966 | 6.428% | 3416 | 6.726% | | 41 | Ferroseed | 3929 | 6.368% | 3507 | 6.906% | My dream of Whimsicott being over Ferroseed in usage thresholds finally comes true! | 55 | Munchlax | 2636 | 4.272% | 2134 | 4.202% | | 56 | Rhydon | 2612 | 4.233% | 2265 | 4.460% | | 59 | Primeape | 2339 | 3.791% | 1945 | 3.830% | At least these things are plummeting in usage. Still a shame Scolipede's being used less than these guys, though. Last edited by /B/utterfree; Dec 3rd, 2012 at 4:30:47 AM. Reason: DittoCrow mentioned there was no conspiracy |
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Waiting on those 1337 stats.
Genesect had pretty meh usage in normal OU stats (despite being #1, it's still below expected Scizor-level usage that came in the 24-32% range) so 1337 should give us a bit more insight.
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| 52 | Celebi | 35627 | 4.012% | 28487 | 3.974% |
Oh my god, Celebi deserves MUCH more love than that. I just did a RMT with Celebi as a star, and I am very disappointed to see that Celebi saw such low usage. I am very happy that Genesect is banned, now Celebi, and some other things such as Reuniclus and Haxorus, will see much more usage. As for Keldeo, again, it is very understimated.
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Dec 2nd, 2012, 5:33:22 PM
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Damn... Sepri is #1 in DW-OU... I highly doubt that he'll stay in NU if he's being used even more than friekan Shadow-Tag Chandlure! So Genesect gone from OU? Pretty cool I guess he did rule OU in his stay
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Edit: Actually, checking the moveset stats, it looks like what's really going on is that people want to use Contrary Serp so they play DWOU.
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Don't really get why people use Substitute and Leach Seed over HP Fire... Leach Seed is good but he already has Giga Drain for recovery and without HP Fire he's completly walled by Steel types... I still think Leaf Storm/Dragon Pulse/Giga Drain/HP Fire is the ideal moveset for him... perfect coverage sans is pretty sweet) |
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| 27 | Magikarp | 452 | 4.382% | 230 | 3.584% |
| 28 | Rayquaza | 433 | 4.197% | 276 | 4.301% | | 29 | Ditto | 421 | 4.081% | 120 | 1.870% | Go home Hackmons players, you are drunk | 67 | Charizard | 110 | 1.317% | 82 | 1.414% | | 68 | Snorlax | 109 | 1.305% | 74 | 1.276% | | 69 | Magikarp | 107 | 1.281% | 51 | 0.880% | | 70 | Ditto | 107 | 1.281% | 31 | 0.535% | | 71 | Pikachu | 106 | 1.269% | 64 | 1.104% | Same to you BH players, btw | 1 | Blissey | 3778 | 45.235% | 2157 | 37.208% | | 14 | Chansey | 1065 | 12.751% | 704 | 12.144% | | 3 | Blissey | 3218 | 31.194% | 1831 | 28.532% | | 34 | Chansey | 329 | 3.189% | 195 | 3.039% | ...and Blissey's still tons higher than Chansey in BH and Hackmons. Good job ._.
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In the detailed stats "Abilities" is misspelled as "Abilties" (missing an 'i').
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That Genesect ban (gets flame shield) should not have happened. It's like any other new threat, people didn't get used to it. Things that beat Genesect: Faster Scarfers, Para/Burn, and again, FAST FIRE POKEMON.
But enough of that, good stats to say the least, LC had some huge changes, perfect time to make an anti-meta team. OU... meh, smogon already acts like it's the only meta thats worth anything because it's the only one that changes, just my opinion, but this time it was the complete opposite, also, HI CINCINNO MEET YOUR NEW HOME IN RU :)
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Apart from the little flame war, it seems obvious that there were a lot of reasons to ban Genesect. Mainly of it being to versatile and putting a strain on teambuilding. It is up to yourself if you think that reason is enough. Reasons to not ban it are that it is quite frail and it can sometimes prove to not be strong enough without certain boosts / locked into the wrong move.
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| 161 | Slowking | 3607 | 0.406% | 3008 | 0.420% | (OU)
This thing is good. Even more-so that something so high in usage % that threatens it out AND gets switch momentum at the same time is gone (hi Genesect). It has a pretty awesome niche in the OU metagame simply because rain is so prominent. Like his bro (hurr), he has awesome defensive typing along with similar stats (obviously, def and sdef are switched). But that's what makes it so good. Many moves in the metagame (well, in rain) are specially based, and having Regenerator + solid recovery + a good support movepool + offensive presence (perfect coverage in Ice Beam + Fire Blast + Dual STAB + Hidden Power) are key components to a good counter. Specs Keldeo, although rare, is a massive threat able to either OHKO or 2HKO pretty much everything outside of bulky invested resists like Amoonguss.. and Slowking. 252 SpAtk Choice Specs Keldeo-R Hydro Pump IN RAIN vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Slowking (+SpDef) : 37.56% - 44.16% (3 hits to KO) If you again opt for a specially defensive set, it can force out even Specs Tornadus-T: 252 SpAtk Choice Specs Tornadus-T Hurricane vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Slowking (+SpDef) : 44.92% - 52.79% (3 hits to KO) The Trick Room set is also absurdly powerful in rain: 252 SpAtk Slowking (+SpAtk) Surf IN RAIN vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Tornadus-T: 77.59% - 91.64% (2 hits to KO) That's a 100% OHKO after Stealth Rock. Tornadus-T isn't all that frail either (at least for an offensive mon). I'd like to see a rise in this. | 39 | Landorus | 50447 | 5.681% | 39079 | 5.452% | | 40 | Keldeo | 50184 | 5.652% | 38666 | 5.394% | I'm sorry; what? I swear by it that I've seen more of these than stats say. Well, obviously not, but still. That's crazy. These guys are some of the biggest threats in the game but they're lower than VAPOREON. Now that I think about it, I rarely ever see Vaporeons but a ton of Keldeo/Landorus. Odd. | 41 | Hydreigon | 49861 | 5.615% | 38772 | 5.409% | Definitely expecting a rise in this again. Genesect threatens it out while getting switch priority shenanigans. Like Slowking. | 88 | Electivire | 10895 | 1.227% | 8811 | 1.229% | Stop. It isn't good in OU. | 322 | Unfezant | 320 | 0.036% | 256 | 0.036% | I'm done. I'd like to know those 256 people that used this. Or at least why that one person used it in 256 battles.
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Any update on 1337 stats?
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Really waiting for Zarel to send Antar those rankings, ughh. I know Zarel is a very buisy guy but seriously?I think someone else should send the rankings in if its gonna take this long meybe not trying to offend anybody.
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It's too late in December for month-end ratings for November, but PS logs contain player ratings at the time of the battle, so I may use those instead.
I'm unlikely to produce "1337" stats for November at this point, but if I decide to go the time-of-battle rating route, you should see them for December.
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The "1337" stats will be interesting to see of course. But they're not THAT important to stress over imo. It's questionable how representative they even are of what the best players are using. They're interesting to see, but not something that should be taken too seriously.
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...Ok? It's just my oppinion man. But Stoutland going from OU to NU is just so funny to me, also, why are people complaning Amoonguss is broken in NU when Cincinno is being used more, honestly I dont think either are broken cause Bastiodon (who is REALLY UNDERRATED) can wall them both to hell and back.
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