Roserade running physical sets

Cheatingtaco · Apr 2nd, 2013, 3:51:49 PM

First and foremost, I would like to say that I have much experience running roserade sets, and I have found these to be most effective.

*Both of these are fit for rain teams, to keep pesky fire types away.*

Offensive Physical Sweeper
Poison Point/ Natural Cure
Adamant Nature, @Choice Band
252 Atk, 252 Spe

Bullet Seed
Poison Jab
Return/Frustration
Pin Missile

*I know this set may sound crappy, but it is totally unexpected and relies mostly on the art of surprise. The poison point/ poison jab gives a chance of poisoning, and return/ frustration is just in there for good measure.*

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Poison Point/ Natural Cure
Adamant Nature, @Life Orb
252 Atk, 252 Spe

Poison Jab
Bullet Seed
Return/ Frustration
Swords Dance

*Same as last time, but relies on getting a swords dance to perform an effective sweep.*

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Got any other sets? Recommendations? Post them.

jonathanrp · Apr 2nd, 2013, 3:57:12 PM

why are you using sets off of Roserade's base 70 attack when it has 125 special attack

Surprise factor only works once in a battle.

Feranfell · Apr 2nd, 2013, 3:57:42 PM

Even surprise wouldn't make this good, special sets completely outclass it. Sorry.

SpareAacount · Apr 2nd, 2013, 4:05:29 PM

What does physical Roserade beat that special Roserade struggles with. I wonder what. You've obviously haven't had much experience with Roserade if you think these sets are the best with Roserade's paltry 70 base attack. I also think that you shouldn't be making threads specifically about sets a Pokemon can run, and that you should post it in like the np thread.

EDIT: How about the Special Attack that Roserade has, which is far superior to its Attack. Pokemon that switch into Roserade, like Crobat, will not even take much damage from a physical set, so I really don't see the point of running such a set. Also, I'm curious on what sets you ran with Roserade outside of that set.

Cheatingtaco · Apr 2nd, 2013, 4:07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat jonathanrp

why are you using sets off of Roserade's base 70 attack when it has 125 special attack

Surprise factor only works once in a battle.

Yes, but it only needs to really hit hard once. Plus, it's speed allows it to out-speed most switch ins and lets it hit hard multiple times, if necessary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Feranfell

Even surprise wouldn't make this good, special sets completely outclass it. Sorry.

It's a completely powerful set, regardless the disadvantages.

Morgenstern · Apr 2nd, 2013, 4:24:42 PM

Not to be a douche, but a physical Roserade is a really bad idea. Well moving on, Poison Point should never be considered over Natural Cure since if you are using Poison Point and get burned, it gets crippled for the rest of the match, but if you run Natural Cure you can just switch to get rid of the burn. Also Poison Jab shouldnt be used on Roserade, Grass/Normal already has pretty good coverage and Poison isnt helping. So maybe adding Sleep Powder would be a better idea. Well imma leave some sets for you to replace the current ones and add some new ones. Also Seed Bomb>Bullet Seed since you dont have Technician, and Pin Missile is bad. But if you opt to use TechniRade then just pick something else to replace Pin Missile.

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I think this are probably the most viable physical Roserade sets for Roserade, also you might want to consider using HP Ice for Gligar.

LonelyNess · Apr 2nd, 2013, 4:58:46 PM

Why wouldn't you use Technician on that Bullet Seed abusing Choice Band set?

cim · Apr 2nd, 2013, 5:28:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Cheatingtaco

Yes, but it only needs to really hit hard once.

Too bad it really hits hard zero times... Even against Snorlax / Umbreon, special attacks hit much harder.

LonelyNess · Apr 2nd, 2013, 5:36:09 PM

358 Atk vs 197 Def & 513 HP (75 Base Power): 147 - 174 (28.65% - 33.92%)

You don't even 3HKO the standard Snorlax with Bullet Seed (on average)

349 Atk vs 330 Def & 513 HP (140 Base Power): 207 - 244 (40.35% - 47.56%)

This is Leaf Storm vs. that same Snorlax

So like, what exactly are you trying to accomplish by using a set that does -less- damage to its counters?

Morgenstern · Apr 2nd, 2013, 6:12:24 PM

He probably just wants to be original or something like that.

jonathanrp · Apr 2nd, 2013, 6:33:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Morgenstern

He probably just wants to be original or something like that.

That is not an excuse

I can go off about how good Nasty Plot Weavile is if I want to be original. Doesn't mean that NP weavile is good

vileman · Apr 2nd, 2013, 8:46:35 PM

Uh, this will never be good. Rosearade doesn't has the power to get "surprise kills" to anything, and has a paper defense stat that wont help it if its not O/2HKOing stuff like the special offensive set does.
Also lol pin missile it doesn't even has moves to do this, sorry but this won't work.

Knight of Cydonia · Apr 2nd, 2013, 9:02:45 PM

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Apr 2nd, 2013, 3:51:49 PM	#1
Cheatingtaco Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 18 Goldenrod City ;D	Roserade running physical sets First and foremost, I would like to say that I have much experience running roserade sets, and I have found these to be most effective. Both of these are fit for rain teams, to keep pesky fire types away. Offensive Physical Sweeper Poison Point/ Natural Cure Adamant Nature, @Choice Band 252 Atk, 252 Spe Bullet Seed Poison Jab Return/Frustration Pin Missile I know this set may sound crappy, but it is totally unexpected and relies mostly on the art of surprise. The poison point/ poison jab gives a chance of poisoning, and return/ frustration is just in there for good measure. -------------- Poison Point/ Natural Cure Adamant Nature, @Life Orb 252 Atk, 252 Spe Poison Jab Bullet Seed Return/ Frustration Swords Dance Same as last time, but relies on getting a swords dance to perform an effective sweep. -------------- Got any other sets? Recommendations? Post them. __________________ I have decided to leave the UU forums, since it seems nobody appreciates my commentary and everything I post gets loaded with insults, farewell. I will be going to the PO UU forums now.

Apr 2nd, 2013, 3:57:12 PM	#2
jonathanrp I saw the report with her testimony, but who knew that under that helmet... it was the wicked witch of the witness stand!? Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 647 By my hand, I will reveal the precious gem of truth!	why are you using sets off of Roserade's base 70 attack when it has 125 special attack Surprise factor only works once in a battle. __________________ [/URL]

Apr 2nd, 2013, 3:57:42 PM	#3
Feranfell Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 186 lilligants forever	Even surprise wouldn't make this good, special sets completely outclass it. Sorry. __________________ PSA from PenorDog

Apr 2nd, 2013, 4:24:42 PM	#6
Morgenstern Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 92 Mexico	Not to be a douche, but a physical Roserade is a really bad idea. Well moving on, Poison Point should never be considered over Natural Cure since if you are using Poison Point and get burned, it gets crippled for the rest of the match, but if you run Natural Cure you can just switch to get rid of the burn. Also Poison Jab shouldnt be used on Roserade, Grass/Normal already has pretty good coverage and Poison isnt helping. So maybe adding Sleep Powder would be a better idea. Well imma leave some sets for you to replace the current ones and add some new ones. Also Seed Bomb>Bullet Seed since you dont have Technician, and Pin Missile is bad. But if you opt to use TechniRade then just pick something else to replace Pin Missile. ... Sleep+SD Roserade (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Natural Cure/Technician EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Swords Dance - Sleep Powder - Return - Seed Bomb/Bullet Seed Banded Roserade (M) @ Choice Band Trait: Natural Cure EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 220 Spd Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def) - Seed Bomb - Return - Hidden Power [Fire] - Rest Mixed Roserade (F) @ Life Orb Trait: Natural Cure/Technitian EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 220 Spd Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def) - Growth - Seed Bomb/Bullet Seed - Return - Hidden Power [Fire] (HP Fire should have 59 Base Power with Technician) Sub 3 Attacks Roserade (F) @ Black Sludge Trait: Technician EVs: 16 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SAtk / 232 Spd Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def) - Substitute - Bullet Seed - Return - Hidden Power [Fire](HP Fire should have 59 Base Power with Technician) I think this are probably the most viable physical Roserade sets for Roserade, also you might want to consider using HP Ice for Gligar. __________________ ♥ Dragon Rush ♥

Apr 2nd, 2013, 6:12:24 PM	#10
Morgenstern Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 92 Mexico	He probably just wants to be original or something like that. __________________ ♥ Dragon Rush ♥

Apr 2nd, 2013, 4:05:29 PM	#4
SpareAacount Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 58	What does physical Roserade beat that special Roserade struggles with. I wonder what. You've obviously haven't had much experience with Roserade if you think these sets are the best with Roserade's paltry 70 base attack. I also think that you shouldn't be making threads specifically about sets a Pokemon can run, and that you should post it in like the np thread. EDIT: How about the Special Attack that Roserade has, which is far superior to its Attack. Pokemon that switch into Roserade, like Crobat, will not even take much damage from a physical set, so I really don't see the point of running such a set. Also, I'm curious on what sets you ran with Roserade outside of that set.

Apr 2nd, 2013, 4:58:46 PM	#7
LonelyNess Want my opinion? Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,923	Why wouldn't you use Technician on that Bullet Seed abusing Choice Band set?

Apr 2nd, 2013, 5:36:09 PM	#9
LonelyNess Want my opinion? Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,923	358 Atk vs 197 Def & 513 HP (75 Base Power): 147 - 174 (28.65% - 33.92%) You don't even 3HKO the standard Snorlax with Bullet Seed (on average) 349 Atk vs 330 Def & 513 HP (140 Base Power): 207 - 244 (40.35% - 47.56%) This is Leaf Storm vs. that same Snorlax So like, what exactly are you trying to accomplish by using a set that does -less- damage to its counters?

Apr 2nd, 2013, 8:46:35 PM	#12
vileman Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 76 Chile	Uh, this will never be good. Rosearade doesn't has the power to get "surprise kills" to anything, and has a paper defense stat that wont help it if its not O/2HKOing stuff like the special offensive set does. Also lol pin missile it doesn't even has moves to do this, sorry but this won't work. __________________ http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3478749 Sandtastic (OU RTM) http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3481059 MY UU RTM!

Apr 2nd, 2013, 9:02:45 PM	#13
Knight of Cydonia Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 126 Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.	April Fools' was yesterday.