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Jan 2nd, 2013, 11:15:05 AM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 11:30:59 AM
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*Sees Chansey dropping*
Oh I'm going to enjoy UU a bit more now. Not surprised Absol is now RU. Its a powerhouse and can sweep teams if done right. However, I am surprised nothing rose to OU. Not even one Pokemon rose. I think I'd be playing some UU Hail over on Pokemon Showdown. Hail is meh, but its UU's only insta-weather so yeah. Perhaps Stallrein could rise in usage now with insta-hail coming to UU. Times like this make me glad Snow Cloak is banned...otherwise I would be dreading Abomasnow's drop. But yeah, Abomasnow ought to be fun to use. BTW...people used Sticky Barb Emboar and DeepSeaScale Amoonguss!? Even that Evilolite Metang was usable since Evilolite did help Metang greatly, but those two Pokemon...those items do nothing for them. They'd be better off with even just holding a Lum Berry.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 11:39:39 AM
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Chansey dropping to UU is sure to cause melt-downs. Although I really think the UU metagame has developed be be far more unfriendly to Chansey than last time she was there, so it might not be too much to worry about like last time. It will still shake things up though.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
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Let's get crackin on +/-'s.
Meinshao and Victini crashing their way into the top 10 and Landorus Therian over taking the shadow of his Incarnite form, along with a health boost for big threats like Tornadus-T, Keldeo, KyuB, Yanmega, Honckrow and PZ. Cool stuff from OU-UU, working on RU now. Well, Cress shifts into top 2 comfortably while Durant tears his way right under top 10. Fighting Pokemon suffer a bit, while Spiritomb and Absol see inflation to try and combat Cress. RU is pretty interesting, although the last few increases are likely the work of trolls =/
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 12:10:57 PM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 12:41:07 PM
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I am only surprised that Scizor managed to be the first of all Pokémon used on OU (instead of Politoed). Why this is happening? I don't even see as many Scizor as I used to be (even though Genesect was banned).
My only problem with this list, as of now, is that Chansey is going to drop to UU... At least Keldeo is starting to have the usage that it deserves to have.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 12:41:52 PM
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I will give out my opinion on ou.
| 1 | Scizor | 184871 | 19.225% | 148224 | 19.058% | No wonder scizor is #1 now that genesect is gone | 7 | Tyranitar | 117591 | 12.229% | 102201 | 13.141% | I thought this thing would go in top 5 with the ban of genesect | 18 | Salamence | 88705 | 9.225% | 67014 | 8.616% | mence was a lot higher, wtf happened to him? | 34 | Kyurem-Black | 62560 | 6.506% | 47664 | 6.128% | OK so UU's biggest fear is over. for now at least | 54 | Chansey | 31973 | 3.325% | 25572 | 3.288% | Chansey will probably become BL | 57 | Victini | 26260 | 2.731% | 21225 | 2.729% | | 58 | Weavile | 26108 | 2.715% | 20574 | 2.645% | | 59 | Kingdra | 25646 | 2.667% | 19909 | 2.560% | | 60 | Sableye | 25137 | 2.614% | 21541 | 2.770% | These guys can break into OU range any moment. | 69 | Charizard | 19199 | 1.997% | 15230 | 1.958% | | 70 | Smeargle | 19164 | 1.993% | 16401 | 2.109% | | 71 | Snorlax | 18471 | 1.921% | 14811 | 1.904% | | 72 | Togekiss | 17818 | 1.853% | 14071 | 1.809% | | 73 | Zapdos | 17526 | 1.823% | 14474 | 1.861% | | 74 | Xatu | 16633 | 1.730% | 13790 | 1.773% | | 75 | Darmanitan | 16615 | 1.728% | 13195 | 1.697% | | 76 | Staraptor | 16217 | 1.686% | 13317 | 1.712% | | 77 | Heracross | 15154 | 1.576% | 11679 | 1.502% | What? |
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 12:53:00 PM
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You can count on one hand the things that check Cloyster in the rain after a SS boost, which are mostly the same that check Tornadus-T, minus Ice Shard users. Tornadus-T, the thing that has been suspect tested for ubers. Also, unlike Tornadus-T and Keldeo, Cloyster isn't 100% reliant on rain to function. As long as things like Gliscor, Salamence and Garchomp are high in usage, so will Cloyster. It has enough advantages over Mamoswine to justify its high usage (mainly not being weak to water and Bullet Punch, being able to take SE fighting attacks with its disgustingly high defense and being able to setup and sweep) and it can play as an effective offensive rapid spinner in hail and sun teams, both of which are not ideal envirorments for Starmie. Like it or not, as long as a third of OU is weak to ice, Cloyster is going to be around. |
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 1:58:19 PM
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Chansey and Abomasnow, but no Metagross? Shit, UU will be... Interesting.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 2:02:46 PM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 2:35:38 PM
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Well this is interesting! Four staple Pokemon in NU have been promoted (cue the cheering for Cinccino out of NU).
The Victini and Mienshao move don't deter me a bit in UU. It seems that Heracross definitely defines UU, completely changing the UU metagame and possibly forcing mainstays such as Empoleon to the verge of RU. A test could be awaiting for Heracross imo. Scizor in OU. Doesn't surprise me with Genesect out. Just shows Rain being ridiculously dominant as usual, not that I have a problem with it...
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 2:56:44 PM
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| 69 | Charizard | 19199 | 1.997% | 15230 | 1.958% |
| 70 | Smeargle | 19164 | 1.993% | 16401 | 2.109% | Why dis | 81 | Linoone | 2.530% | | 82 | Regigigas | 2.506% | NO NO NO
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We need to raise awareness. People seem to forget Regigigas exists. Despite Slow Start. Also, all hail king of OU!  We should ban Scizor for fun, and see what Pokémon get a boost. :3 (although I do use Scizor a lot...) |
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:03:32 PM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:13:55 PM
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My Thoughts on these tier shifts: NOOO! Roselia dropped! Damnit! But hey, four Pokemon each moved up to RU. Absol and the chinchilla were expected, but yay Amoonguss and Enboar! You made it in time! (I'm kinda surprised, but yay for them.) Yay I did it! I got Chansey to exit OU! (I don't need to rant about that thing anymore, goddamnit.) But no, Obamasnow and Roselia have dropped. This makes me cry. Amoonguss and Emboar rising to RU were both more than well deserved. The fact that they both are amazing in the tier makes it a good thing. And Absol surely has a well deserved run as well. So yeah, I'm sad Aboma and Rose dropped (I'm literally almost crying over them, no joke), but I'm also happy that Absol, Cinccino, Amoonguss, and Emboar moved up and that Chansey dropped. That's all I have to say.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:15:28 PM
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Chansey going to BL is inevitable since the, IMO at least, immature people who cry that its too good for UU. If Chansey is too good for UU, then you suck at team building. Close Combat Arcanine is a thing. Herracross is a thing. Hell, I use Banded Absol wrecking and even if the blob switches, unless its into a Ghost-type, nothing in UU outside probably Zapdos is going to enjoy taking a Superpower from an Adamant Choice banded Absol.
I will guarrentee the same people who want Chansey to be BL are the same ones which want Keldeo and Tornadus-T (especially the latter of the two) to be banished to the Uber tier. Bottom-line: Chansey is overhyped and UU is basically dominated by Herracross last I remember, and Arcanine is high up too in UU and packs CC; and both Keldeo and Tornadus-T are garbage outside of rain. Next time guys, blame the weather starter for rain (Politoed). If so many things are moving up and down related to weather, and the clauses to do with weather, why not just ban Drought/Drizzle/Sand Stream (Hail is too weak so I never mentioned it, and its rare to see in OU) on anything outside of Ubers? T-Tar has a DW ability. Hippowdon has Sand Rush. Politoed has freaking Water Absorb. Ninetales has Flash Fire. Even without the weather abilities, those four have decent abilities...okay T-Tar's one sucks, but still. I am sure that I am not the only person with this mindset. Ninetales and Politoed were like NU in Gen 4 and suddenly insta-weather makes them OU? I just find the impact that Pokemon with nstant-weather abilities have on the metagame to be ridiculous. Fun fact: adding up the % of all varients of weather-teams in OU, minus Hail, adds up to 42.3068949% Was Genesect used nearly that much of the time, since I am sure it was probably about 20-30%, yet that was 'overcentralizing the metagame'. Was Garchomp ever used that much prior to the Sand Veil ban? Or Scizor? Or the Lati twins back in Gen 4? If something is used over 40% of the time in OU, I am sure its overcentralizing. Weatherless isn't overcentralizing since prior to Gen 5, most of OU teams were weatherless.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:25:05 PM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:33:00 PM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:43:30 PM
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Great, Chansey to UU? You're gonna have a hard time convincing me to play UU now. I don't even care about Abomasnow, Chansey is a fucking annoying pain in the ass that needs to fucking die. Sorry for the profanity, but I really fucking hate Chansey. It tanks everything but STAB Close Combats!
(done ranting) Anyway, Absol, Amoonguss, Cinccino, and Emboar going up to RU is pretty interesting to say the least. I knew these Pokemon were already pretty good in RU, but I'll be interested to see what NU is like without them. And, predictably, nothing goes up to OU. But.... | 25 | Infernape | 78792 | 8.194% | 63837 | 8.208% | Can we get this to stop? Infernape is not anywhere near as good as it was in DPP. Scizor resuming his spot as king of OU is not extremely surprising to me, even with the Rain dominance. | 51 | Gastrodon | 37968 | 3.948% | 30926 | 3.976% | This thing is really bad in my opinion and needs to drop. Hey, UU, I'll trade you Gastrodon for Chansey. Deal? | 56 | Ninjask | 28609 | 2.975% | 25790 | 3.316% | At least it isn't OU, but I'm sorry, Ninjask is so bad it shouldn't even be breaking 1% usage. | 65 | Umbreon | 19949 | 2.075% | 14845 | 1.909% | Oh, PS ladder... | 20 | Cloyster | 85567 | 8.898% | 66178 | 8.509% | This thing is really good and you should use it. EDIT: Quote:
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:47:47 PM
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| 44 | Metagross | 5.379% | | 45 | Latias | 5.312% | | 46 | Landorus-Therian | 5.240% | Which one of these is not like the other ones?
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Although I understand why people are worried about Chansey, I wouldn't worry so much. Remember that UU is dominated by Fighting-types like Heracross and Mienshao, and thus Chansey may not be as broken as we think that she has.
I am still surprised that Scizor is dominating again, I must admit. Despite rain nerfing Fire-type attacks, Scizor also gets washed by those Water-type attacks like those from Keldeo, which OHKO when boosted by Rain or Choice Specs. What I am trying to understand is why Salamence dropped on usage. Quote:
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 4:34:46 PM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 4:39:02 PM
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I would say, chansey in uu is target practice for the UU king, heracross. It's gonna do nothing other than wishpassing, and when it comes to attacking... you know.
Abomasnow in uu would be interesting, though. |
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 5:09:01 PM
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The fact that NOTHING went up to OU worries me. People are cutting down the number of species used to focus only on a relative handful of specific archetypes. There's a difference between a stable tier and a stagnant one, and we may be approaching the latter. |
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 6:26:01 PM
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