Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[Yveltal]

Originally Posted by Fat Flaming Piranha

Change of topic, what would you guys think of these fakemon? That ghost serpent-looking thing looks like it could be an badass pokémon if it were real

remember, these are fake

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Ermahgerd.
This. This so hard. I really wanna see a new adorable ghost that one-ups Duskull. Litwick was cute, but it didn't have the same macabre cuteness that Duskull and Shuppet had.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat TheMrBassdude

Yveltal is not 'clearly evil', sorry. You might think so, but making that belief into a blanket statement is ridiculous. And he's not clearly Dark, either. You could make an excellent theorymon argument as to why he's probably Dark, but at this stage, even his Flying type is technically questionable. I'd guess him at Flying/Dark, but they could give him Fire/Fighting with Levitate, for all we know. There's nothing about this generation that's a given, except for the fact that yes, there's a new game, and yes, it has these Pokemon in it.

And what are you basing your 'evil' assumption on? Glowing eyes, streamlined-yet-sharp design, red-and-black color scheme? Because as sinister as he might look, to me the whole 'flying through a clear blue sky' thing takes a lot away from the 'evil' argument

The name Yveltal is basically pronounced "evil-tall". Plus he's red and black with horns. The only reason I phrased it that way anyway was to reference the japanese name of the type because we were talking about that. We still can't be 100% certain (like you said, it was flying through a blue sky). But come on. I will never call Gamefreak anything but Trollfreak for the rest of my life if they make it some sort of fire/fighting with levitate.

[Mario With Lasers]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Dark Pulse and Night Daze are attacks based around elemental darkness.

Originally Posted by Fat Dark Pulse

The user releases a horrible aura imbued with dark thoughts. It may also make the target flinch.

Nothing "elemental" here. Just bad pokémon having bad thoughts.

The dark/evil type encompasses multiple things (darkness, evil, dirty fighting) just as ground encompasses sand, dirt, and mud.

There is only really one move, Night Daze, that can be considered "dark" and frankly, it seems to me it's Dark only because it's Zoroark's signature move.

And there is nothing good or nice about the fighting type. There is honor since it is based mostly on martial arts, but there is nothing pure about Circle Throw, Low Kick, and especially not Wake-up Slap.

No, there isn't. Just like Dark, itself, has nothing "impure". It's sneaky, and honor>cheating. You are right, neither Dark nor Fighting have only one theme, but "elemental darkness" doesn't come close to be Dark's main theme. It's only really noticed in one move.

It's just that Black Belt>Goth Kid. And I'm not suggesting Light beat Dark in such a cliche way. I think they should be SE to each other.

...That's still cliche-y. Not Christianity cliche-y, but still.

Just play Metroid Prime 2, and you'll see how badass light can be. It would make a good type.

Many things could make a good type, but you have to consider they won't make change for the sake of change. There is nothing in the current type chart that suggests we need a Light type; the Dark type doesn't need a counterpart as Game Freak has that base covered with Fighting; Xerneas is not Light-like enough to deserve this new type; and they have had a clear chance of adding the Light type before (Reshiram and Zekrom) and they didn't. So, while it could be "cool" for some people, it seems largely unnecessary to many others and doesn't have much room in the game for it.

[QUOTE=Narutendo3;4568250]The name Yveltal is basically pronounced "evil-tall".

Actually, its official pronounciation is ee-VELL-tal.

Originally Posted by Fat Squishyfrog

I just wanna say that we're dealing with Gamefreak here, the masters of trolling. If they make a Light type, they'll probably give it to Yveltal along with a Dragon typing and Xerneas will be Dragon/Dark or something like that.

*sigh*

They aren't ~le masers of troll lelelelel~. They are just a gaming company. The only serious, everlasting troll they joyously engage in is not giving Flareon anything (case in point: Platinum giving a lv78 move to all Eeveelutions, related to their stat distribution and Flareon's being... the special-based Lava Plume); anything else is just Smogon neverendingly complaining they didn't get something their way.

Please guys, stop that Troll Freak nonsense. It's not funny, never was, never will.

[keleyeemoh]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

I've always liked pokemon. o_O
I just think it could be better.
Paralysis isn't broken the way that it is, but neither is drizzle. Yet most people agree that it should only last 5 turns since it is still too good in an unfair way. That's how I feel paralysis is.
What if toxic also made it so that you get critted on four times as often? It wouldn't be broken, but it would be more than what's necessary, and would introduce extra hax. Hax should exist in general, but it gets to a point where you may as well be playing a dice game with no skill involved.

I don't think "most people" agree that Drizzle should only last five turns. Some people think that, some people (myself included) think that simply buffing Air Lock/Cloud Nine to completely remove weather would be enough, and some people think that it's fine just the way it is.

And no, paralysis does not "get to a point where you may as well be playing a dice game with no skill involved." I don't really even know what else to say about that. It's just not true.

[Yveltal]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

The name Yveltal is basically pronounced "evil-tall". Plus he's red and black with horns. The only reason I phrased it that way anyway was to reference the japanese name of the type because we were talking about that. We still can't be 100% certain (like you said, it was flying through a blue sky). But come on. I will never call Gamefreak anything but Trollfreak for the rest of my life if they make it some sort of fire/fighting with levitate.

How dare you type-cast my name just because I'm a smexy diablo-beast!
No, but to be the opposite of conceited for two minutes, All we can really pull from Yveltals name is that it looks like that because they needed something that starts with a "Y" and doesn't sound like a swear word or racial slur in any country. It's my belief that Yveltal is in part based on the african legends of wyverns. A lot of mythological beasts in Africa are very voodoo, they're easily tied in to the western ideas of what dark magic is, and they're generally hot and dangerous. Yveltal is sort of an embodiment of old fairy tales about draconic creatures in Africa, and that's where he gets that sort of raging darkness and corporeal presence. The name Yveltal sounds like an utterance unto ancient magic; not really evil, just hard to comprehend, thereby misunderstood.

also,

Originally Posted by Fat keleyeemoh

I don't think "most people" agree that Drizzle should only last five turns. Some people think that, some people (myself included) think that simply buffing Air Lock/Cloud Nine to completely remove weather would be enough, and some people think that it's fine just the way it is.

And no, paralysis does not "get to a point where you may as well be playing a dice game with no skill involved." I don't really even know what else to say about that. It's just not true.

When I look at Cloud Nine and Air Lock, I imagine the entire field is transferred(almost) to a new plane that the weather around them can't penetrate. Because the Pokemon with Air Lock or Cloud Nine is radiating this weather-proof aura, they keep the weather just outside of the field while they're present. That's why i think it doesn't completely
eradicate weather, anyway.

furthermore,

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

... So what does that mean to you in terms of type? You really don't think it will be dark/evil type?

Do you want help learning how to edit your posts? you should say so instead of continually blaming your inability to follow the forum rules on being new to the site. There are tricks to editing one post if you have several thoughts, and people won't get on your case quite as hard.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Nothing "elemental" here. Just bad pokémon having bad thoughts.



There is only really one move, Night Daze, that can be considered "dark" and frankly, it seems to me it's Dark only because it's Zoroark's signature move.



No, there isn't. Just like Dark, itself, has nothing "impure". It's sneaky, and honor>cheating. You are right, neither Dark nor Fighting have only one theme, but "elemental darkness" doesn't come close to be Dark's main theme. It's only really noticed in one move.



...That's still cliche-y. Not Christianity cliche-y, but still.



Many things could make a good type, but you have to consider they won't make change for the sake of change. There is nothing in the current type chart that suggests we need a Light type; the Dark type doesn't need a counterpart as Game Freak has that base covered with Fighting; Xerneas is not Light-like enough to deserve this new type; and they have had a clear chance of adding the Light type before (Reshiram and Zekrom) and they didn't. So, while it could be "cool" for some people, it seems largely unnecessary to many others and doesn't have much room in the game for it.





*sigh*

They aren't ~le masers of troll lelelelel~. They are just a gaming company. The only serious, everlasting troll they joyously engage in is not giving Flareon anything (case in point: Platinum giving a lv78 move to all Eeveelutions, related to their stat distribution and Flareon's being... the special-based Lava Plume); anything else is just Smogon neverendingly complaining they didn't get something their way.

Please guys, stop that Troll Freak nonsense. It's not funny, never was, never will.

Dark is impure. That's the very point you are making by showing the insignificance of the elemental side. It is the "evil" type in japan, and it deals -mostly- in dirty fighting and/or impure thoughts. Whether it be literal/elemental, metaphorical, or both; light and dark would make a binary at least to some extent. I've never said it's necessary. Does anything in a video game really ever need more reason than "it would be cool"? And unlike any other possible new type, there is plenty of room for it in the type chart. Something like sound would basically just be like normal. Light on the other hand is related to a lot of the current types.
To help you understand, here are my suggested matchups:
SE on bug, ghost, and dark
Doesn't do much to grass, ice, ground, or steel
Weak to grass and dark
Resists fire, electric, ghost, and bug

Originally Posted by Fat keleyeemoh

I don't think "most people" agree that Drizzle should only last five turns. Some people think that, some people (myself included) think that simply buffing Air Lock/Cloud Nine to completely remove weather would be enough, and some people think that it's fine just the way it is.

And no, paralysis does not "get to a point where you may as well be playing a dice game with no skill involved." I don't really even know what else to say about that. It's just not true.

I was saying hax can get to that point. Parahax alone doesn't cause that obviously, but how many times have you wanted to ragequit against a body slam/iron head jirachi? That's why hax should be limited.

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

How dare you type-cast my name just because I'm a smexy diablo-beast!
No, but to be the opposite of conceited for two minutes, All we can really pull from Yveltals name is that it looks like that because they needed something that starts with a "Y" and doesn't sound like a swear word or racial slur in any country. It's my belief that Yveltal is in part based on the african legends of wyverns. A lot of mythological beasts in Africa are very voodoo, they're easily tied in to the western ideas of what dark magic is, and they're generally hot and dangerous. Yveltal is sort of an embodiment of old fairy tales about draconic creatures in Africa, and that's where he gets that sort of raging darkness and corporeal presence. The name Yveltal sounds like an utterance unto ancient magic; not really evil, just hard to comprehend, thereby misunderstood.

... So what does that mean to you in terms of type? You really don't think it will be dark/evil type?

[Ghost Curses You]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

It's just that Black Belt>Goth Kid.

So let's see.... Black belt.... (Throh)...... Goth Kid........ Gothitelle......

I don't see Light type coming, I share the opinion that it would have fit better on Gen5.

[R_N]

ghost serpant looks poorly thought out

I like the dinos though

[Flaming Piranha]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

They aren't ~le masers of troll lelelelel~. They are just a gaming company. The only serious, everlasting troll they joyously engage in is not giving Flareon anything (case in point: Platinum giving a lv78 move to all Eeveelutions, related to their stat distribution and Flareon's being... the special-based Lava Plume); anything else is just Smogon neverendingly complaining they didn't get something their way.

Please guys, stop that Troll Freak nonsense. It's not funny, never was, never will.

Agreed, I just don't see how people find it funny. "Trolling" in general wasn't funny to start with anyway.

Originally Posted by Fat R_N

ghost serpant looks poorly thought out

I like the dinos though

I personally love the serpent, looks cool, even though we already have about 20 snake pokémon already

[Mario With Lasers]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Dark is impure. That's the very point you are making by showing the insignificance of the elemental side. It is the "evil" type in japan, and it deals -mostly- in dirty fighting and/or impure thoughts. Whether it be literal/elemental, metaphorical, or both; light and dark would make a binary at least to some extent. I've never said it's necessary. Does anything in a video game really ever need more reason than "it would be cool"? And unlike any other possible new type, there is plenty of room for it in the type chart. Something like sound would basically just be like normal. Light on the other hand is related to a lot of the current types.
To help you understand, here are my suggested matchups:
SE on bug, ghost, and dark
Doesn't do much to grass, ice, ground, or steel
Weak to grass and dark
Resists fire, electric, ghost, and bug

Ok, I screwed up back there. But my main point is that Fighting already covers what Light would do with Dark, as weird as that can be to some, and they've wasted a perfect chance to create the type, so expecting a Light type to come out as a counterpart to Dark because Xerneas seems Light-y doesn't make sense because a) there's a counterpart already, two even if you want to consider Psychic for some reason; b) Reshiram is even more Light-related and yet they didn't create the type; and c) the type chart doesn't need one, as in, there would be no excuse to create a new type solely based on the type chart like there was with Steel and Dark.


Also, Yveltal's official pronounciation is ee-VELL-tal. Not "evil".

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Ok, I screwed up back there. But my main point is that Fighting already covers what Light would do with Dark, as weird as that can be to some, and they've wasted a perfect chance to create the type, so expecting a Light type to come out as a counterpart to Dark because Xerneas seems Light-y doesn't make sense because a) there's a counterpart already, two even if you want to consider Psychic for some reason; b) Reshiram is even more Light-related and yet they didn't create the type; and c) the type chart doesn't need one, as in, there would be no excuse to create a new type solely based on the type chart like there was with Steel and Dark.


Also, Yveltal's official pronounciation is ee-VELL-tal. Not "evil".

If Xerneas ends up fighting type, that would just be a boring musketeer ripoff. Again, Reshiram was only light related in that it was white. Maybe it was portrayed as an opposite to Zekrom, but Zekrom wasn't dark. I guarantee you Yveltal will be. It's like saying Metagross seems more like a water type than Psyduck because Metagross is the blue one. Light type is not -needed- but neither was dark or steel. People can say they were just added to nerf psychic, but that's bs. If light buffs grass, will that mean that it was needed to buff grass? No. New things are just fun. It's not so complicated.

I know that's the official pronunciation. "ee-vell" sounds more than close enough to "evil" for it to be intended.

[Preved Medved]

Originally Posted by Fat keleyeemoh

I don't think "most people" agree that Drizzle should only last five turns. Some people think that, some people (myself included) think that simply buffing Air Lock/Cloud Nine to completely remove weather would be enough, and some people think that it's fine just the way it is.

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Air Lock is O.K..It only needs a good user.Something with a type like Ground/Electric or Fire/Grass and good stats spread.

[Mario With Lasers]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

If Xerneas ends up fighting type, that would just be a boring musketeer ripoff. Again, Reshiram was only light related in that it was white. Maybe it was portrayed as an opposite to Zekrom, but Zekrom wasn't dark. I guarantee you Yveltal will be. It's like saying Metagross seems more like a water type than Psyduck because Metagross is the blue one. Light type is not -needed- but neither was dark or steel. People can say they were just added to nerf psychic, but that's bs. If light buffs grass, will that mean that it was needed to buff grass? No. New things are just fun. It's not so complicated.

I didn't say Xerneas is going to be Fighting-type, but that people think it's so light-y it has to be Light-type. Zekrom, in fact, was expected to be Dark because of the Yin/Yang theme people noticed really early, so obviously Reshiram would be Light. We only stopped the nonsense once the news that it was Electric/Dragon leaked so "lol Reshiram's obviously part-Fire, look at its tail". And why are you so sure Yveltal is going to be Dark? Serious question here, I know it's "obvious" but I want to hear.

And yes, new things are fun, but Game Freak is not the best example of company that does change for the sake of change, on the contrary. If they don't have any "reason"/excuse to add a type that already has many of its elements being used elsewhere (Fighting defeating Dark, Flash Cannon being a Steel move, Sunny Day being related to Fire), then it's likely there won't be a Light type anytime soon.

[keleyeemoh]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

If Xerneas ends up fighting type, that would just be a boring musketeer ripoff. Again, Reshiram was only light related in that it was white. Maybe it was portrayed as an opposite to Zekrom, but Zekrom wasn't dark. I guarantee you Yveltal will be. It's like saying Metagross seems more like a water type than Psyduck because Metagross is the blue one. Light type is not -needed- but neither was dark or steel. People can say they were just added to nerf psychic, but that's bs. If light buffs grass, will that mean that it was needed to buff grass? No. New things are just fun. It's not so complicated.

I know that's the official pronunciation. "ee-vell" sounds more than close enough to "evil" for it to be intended.

Dark and Steel were definitely needed to nerf Psychic. Psychic was way OP in gen I. Do you not remember that?

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Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

And yes, new things are fun, but Game Freak is not the best example of company that does change for the sake of change, on the contrary. If they don't have any "reason"/excuse to add a type that already has many of its elements being used elsewhere (Fighting defeating Dark, Flash Cannon being a Steel move, Sunny Day being related to Fire), then it's likely there won't be a Light type anytime soon.

Oh, yeah, that's a really good point. A Light type would totally screw up sun's relation to Fire, since it would make more sense that sunlight boosts light instead of fire. See, it really just causes more problems. The type chart is fine the way it is, screwing things up just for "fun" makes no sense.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

I didn't say Xerneas is going to be Fighting-type, but that people think it's so light-y it has to be Light-type. Zekrom, in fact, was expected to be Dark because of the Yin/Yang theme people noticed really early, so obviously Reshiram would be Light. We only stopped the nonsense once the news that it was Electric/Dragon leaked so "lol Reshiram's obviously part-Fire, look at its tail". And why are you so sure Yveltal is going to be Dark? Serious question here, I know it's "obvious" but I want to hear.

And yes, new things are fun, but Game Freak is not the best example of company that does change for the sake of change, on the contrary. If they don't have any "reason"/excuse to add a type that already has many of its elements being used elsewhere (Fighting defeating Dark, Flash Cannon being a Steel move, Sunny Day being related to Fire), then it's likely there won't be a Light type anytime soon.

Evil right there in the name, black and red coloration, horns, overall menacing vibe.
Abilities and the physical/special split are pretty good counter examples. Flying type already existed, so why should pokemon have to get a levitate ability? Well, it just adds a little something fun and extra, and narrows down traits. The core gameplay doesn't change, but mechanics always do.

Originally Posted by Fat keleyeemoh

Dark and Steel were definitely needed to buff Psychic. Psychic was way OP in gen I. Do you not remember that?

Edit:



Oh, yeah, that's a really good point. A Light type would totally screw up sun's relation to Fire, since it would make more sense that sunlight boosts light instead of fire. See, it really just causes more problems. The type chart is fine the way it is, screwing things up just for "fun" makes no sense.

The term is nerf in this case. And changed matchups easily could have done it. Ghost didn't even hit psychic in gen 1. Fixing that, adding shadow ball, and splitting special defense and attack probably would have sufficed considering psychic is relatively bad now.
Sunny Day could become a light type move, and that would be the only change. It would still make perfect sense boosting fire type moves instead of light type moves.

[keleyeemoh]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

The term is nerf in this case. And changed matchups easily could have done it. Ghost didn't even hit psychic in gen 1. Fixing that, adding shadow ball, and splitting special defense and attack probably would have sufficed considering psychic is relatively bad now.
Sunny Day could become a light type move, and that would be the only change. It would still make perfect sense boosting fire type moves instead of light type moves.

Oops, yeah, wrong word. Fixed it.

Really? You think adding one attack would have fixed Psychic? I don't even... And Psychic is relatively bad now in a large part due to ADDING DARK AND STEEL.

Why would it make sense boosting Fire-type moves and Light-type moves? On sunny days, is there more fire or is there more light than usual?

[Ghost Curses You]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Evil right there in the name, black and red coloration, horns, overall menacing vibe.

It has been stated that official pronounciation of Yveltal does not include the word evil.

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

It's like saying Metagross seems more like a water type than Psyduck because Metagross is the blue one.

If you think like this, don't use colorations as a fact to reinforce your statements.
Or is this dude dark too?

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List of Dark pokemon:

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Umbreon
Murkrow
Sneasel
Houndour
Houndoom
Tyranitar
Poochyena
Mightyena
Nuzleaf
Shiftry
Sableye
Carvanha
Sharpedo
Cacturne
Crawdaunt
Absol
Honchkrow
Stunky
Skuntank
Spiritomb
Drapion
Weavile
Darkrai
Purrloin
Liepard
Sandile
Krokorok
Krookodile
Scraggy
Scrafty
Zorua
Zoroark
Pawniard
Bisharp
Vullaby
Mandibuzz
Deino
Zweilous
Hydreigon

List of Dark pokemon with horns:

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Houndoom
Absol

There's a slight difference between imposing and menacing, I didn't see Yveltal doing anything menacing, just showing off that it's a legendary pokemon, so everyone should bow down and respect it.

[Jabroni]

Aww man, pretty much all the fakemon I've seen for this generation have been awesome. I like the look of those three, particularly the bomb snake. But as many have mentioned that hooded bird looked great. Don't get me started on the starter evo fakes we've seen. Highest standard I've seen yet. Part of me really hopes they do a good job with the fossilmon this generation, or maybe they could come up with three like in gen1, aerodactyl is the dino chief after all.

TIRED-ASS SPECULATION ON "LIGHT TYPE" ASIDE, Its been said, but I'm really digging these legendaries. Gen 4 had by far the worst in my opinion - *cough dialga* and all of freaking time and space. Gen 5 was ok I guess, I've mentioned Reshiram's dog/chicken ancestry already. but when i first saw kyurem, all i could think was screwdriver... (just me?)

However, Gen 6 looks great, on par with gen 2 (in my opinion the best). I'm predicting another gaggle of legends, I just hope they keep it down to less than 6 this time. (Ha).

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat keleyeemoh

Oops, yeah, wrong word. Fixed it.

Really? You think adding one attack would have fixed Psychic? I don't even... And Psychic is relatively bad now in a large part due to ADDING DARK AND STEEL.

Why would it make sense boosting Fire-type moves and Light-type moves? On sunny days, is there more fire or is there more light than usual?

That one attack was the start of an entire type of good moves to hit psychic types with. And yes, that's what I'm saying. It was unnecessary doing so much that nerfs psychic. Therefor, nerfing psychic was not any kind of stand-alone reason for adding types.
I specifically said it would not boost light type moves. Sunny days are hotter than normal, thus strengthening fire (kind of). Your seperate light bulbs and lasers are not any stronger.

Originally Posted by Fat Ghost Curses You

It has been stated that official pronounciation of Yveltal does not include the word evil.


If you think like this, don't use colorations as a fact to reinforce your statements.
Or is this dude dark too?

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List of Dark pokemon:

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Umbreon
Murkrow
Sneasel
Houndour
Houndoom
Tyranitar
Poochyena
Mightyena
Nuzleaf
Shiftry
Sableye
Carvanha
Sharpedo
Cacturne
Crawdaunt
Absol
Honchkrow
Stunky
Skuntank
Spiritomb
Drapion
Weavile
Darkrai
Purrloin
Liepard
Sandile
Krokorok
Krookodile
Scraggy
Scrafty
Zorua
Zoroark
Pawniard
Bisharp
Vullaby
Mandibuzz
Deino
Zweilous
Hydreigon

List of Dark pokemon with horns:

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Houndoom
Absol

There's a slight difference between imposing and menacing, I didn't see Yveltal doing anything menacing, just showing off that it's a legendary pokemon, so everyone should bow down and respect it.

Please don't respond unless you've read all that I had to say in recent posts. As I said, "ee-vell" is close enough to evil that it was certainly intended, especially considering the design.
Colorations are a factor. I wouldn't call Reshiram light type just because he is white though. There has to be more than one indicator of the typing for the indicator to mean much. And just because horns aren't commonly put on dark type pokemon, doesn't mean it's not associated with evil. I mean, those are some black, crooked horns. Its actions didn't seem menacing. I just feel that it looks menacing. I guess I'm just exposed to more fantasy than some of you guys since I'm apparently more used to these thematic traits.

Look guys, I'd drop this whole light type thing if people would just acknowledge that it's certainly a possibility and would not be such a bad thing.

[Jabroni]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Please don't respond unless you've read all that I had to say in recent posts.
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Look guys, I'd drop this whole light type thing if people would just acknowledge that it's certainly a possibility and would not be such a bad thing.

Ok, well if you refuse to drop it but also insist that people read all your extensive posts on the matter, you'll effectively be holding this entire thread to ransom.
I actually welcome all speculation, and believe its impossible to totally rule out any idea (nature of speculation after all) but come on, if your point doesn't receive the welcome you expected, don't keep making it. Also stop going back to the colour thing. By mentioning reshiram people are trying to make you understand that Yang represents light, amongst other things. So actually, yes it would have been a perfect opportunity to introduce that type.
If you got any other ideas I for one would like to hear them, just as long as they're not about light type...

[keleyeemoh]

I'm done arguing with you (unless you say a new stupid thing). No amount of logic can convince you.

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

I personally have very little trouble with most of that. I would just like a balanced, fair metagame.

I have said this MULTIPLE TIMES

GameFreak is making a GAME. Not a METAGAME.
Psychic was OP in the game originally, so they modified to change that. They do not care to deal much with the metagame besides items.
This is why types like dragon are so powerful. They are an end-of-the-game type, supposed to be semi-legendary, and super pwerful. A boss type, if you will. This effect would be taken out if the type chart were "balanced".

For them, it's game first, metagame later or never. They're NOT going to make types specifically to fix the "metagame".



EDIT: Also, balanced, fair metagame? Want something where nothing is overpowered?

Try Rock Paper Scissors.

[Infernis]

Guys, I already told you what Yveltal's coloration meant for its typing.

Originally Posted by Fat Infernis

The diamond pattern on Yveltal's back reminds me of Swalot. Poison type confirmed, Yveltal is Poison/Flying. You heard it here first.

There can be no debate. I can't be wrong, because I have one example.


That pink dinosaur thing is neat, but I have an unexplainable dislike of it. How odd. The yellow thing... I have no idea what it is! It's kinda neat, though. Bomb-snake is just fantastic. None of them are quite on the level of that hooded bird, but better than the weird staring bug thing. I love the Fakemon this generation is inspiring.

[Ghost Curses You]

It is indeed a possibility, because we don't know all the aspects of X and Y, still, new types implemented were easy in gen2 because they didn't have to implement them retroactively into 650 pokes, just 150, and only magnemite and magneton got steel type when gen 2 came out if I remember correctly.

New types could only be implemented two ways:

Retroactively changing typing on older moves and pokemon, which would be a considerable amount of work.

Or adding only pokemon using the new typing in gen6, thus making it another type without much representation in the pokedex (pretty much as ghost type is) or, adding a bunch of pokemon of the new type by adding it to previously used, so they'd have to look for combined strenghts, weaknesses, immunities, etc.

The fact is that if the games aren't finished yet, they certainly are veeery close to being, since it's 7 months until release unless the translating teams are doing so as the game is being made, which is very unlikely to happen. I think there will be a major release on content in the early summer and few close to none until then, they've got us hyped and they know it, they'll just wait until we cool off a bit in order to release more info.

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Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Please don't respond unless you've read all that I had to say in recent posts. As I said, "ee-vell" is close enough to evil that it was certainly intended, especially considering the design.
Colorations are a factor. I wouldn't call Reshiram light type just because he is white though. There has to be more than one indicator of the typing for the indicator to mean much. And just because horns aren't commonly put on dark type pokemon, doesn't mean it's not associated with evil. I mean, those are some black, crooked horns. Its actions didn't seem menacing. I just feel that it looks menacing. I guess I'm just exposed to more fantasy than some of you guys since I'm apparently more used to these thematic traits.

Yveltal is NOT obviously "based on evil". To me, I see it based off of they Wyvern, one of the bases for this pokemon. Probably something in norse mythology there too.

Also, say you have a tame bear. The bear is black. It roars. Does that make it evil? There are many graceful creatures with a menacing look. That does not make them innately evil. I'm fine with light speculation, but please don't state these things as fact.