Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[Yveltal]

the problem here is in the red

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

I had read the first page, and my post did reflect new thoughts that I was contributing.
Regardless of if Shedinja's spirit just spawned or not, the point was that it's seperate from the Ninjask's spirit. I made that point because of R N's joke.
So this monster that Frillish is based on, is it a spirit or possessed in any way? Because I wouldn't think being based on a monster is enough reason alone for it to be ghost type.

Have you played Pokemon before? So many of the pokemon draw a very one-dimensional basis from classic monsters. Exhibit A; Gengar. He's based on shades and shadow stealers, but he's not the dark type, like one might think from that explanation of etymology. What makes you snap to possession? There isn't a single pokemon created based solely or primarily on possesion. Frillish is based on a classic entry in demonology. Drifloon is just based on a baloon, is that suddenly not enough reason to make it a Ghost-type? Game Freak type casts demons, goblins and the like as their Ghost-types, sometimes they make them Dark-types. What are your grounds for a reasonable basis for a monster? And when was the last time the MONSTER is the posessed one?

Originally Posted by Fat Zabel Zarock

The biggest question in all this is...


...Can a Shedinja can feel love? ;A;

It doesn't have a mind to read, so we may never know. They say it's partially based on guardian angels, so our cute little hollow might be above the concept of emotions for more reasons than being a heartless.

[Infernis]

Originally Posted by Fat Zabel Zarock

The biggest question in all this is...


...Can a Shedinja can feel love? ;A;

If it evolves from a lonely Nincada, it will have a lonely nature. So they can be lonely, at least. They just want to be loved for the dessicated husks they are.

I guess we're all just waiting for the CoroCoro leaks. I haven't ever followed CoroCoro before, so... is it a bimonthly thing, but it's usually leaked 5 days early? Every month on the 15th?

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

the problem here is in the red

Have you played Pokemon before? So many of the pokemon draw a very one-dimensional basis from classic monsters. Exhibit A; Gengar. He's based on shades and shadow stealers, but he's not the dark type, like one might think from that explanation of etymology. What makes you snap to possession? There isn't a single pokemon created based solely or primarily on possesion. Frillish is based on a classic entry in demonology. Drifloon is just based on a baloon, is that suddenly not enough reason to make it a Ghost-type? Game Freak type casts demons, goblins and the like as their Ghost-types, sometimes they make them Dark-types. What are your grounds for a reasonable basis for a monster?

Well, this whole conversation has been about how every ghost type seems to have a basis in either literally being a spirit(s), or being possessed/haunted. In fact, here's a quote from you: "Ghost refers not only to dead things, but haunted, almost magical things brought to life by a dark incantation, a bad ending to an ordinary object or a curse." And there are several ghost types based on possessed objects (Bannette, Golurk, etc).
I'm just asking what Frillish's monster basis has to do with these things. Because if it isn't related to spirits or possession, then I guess that is an example of GF just going based on superficial traits like spookiness.

[shockwave527]

IDEA:

What if, this gen, we were to start somewhere new? In BW2, we started in an actual town for once. What if we started in an apartment building of a big city at the center of the region? That would be interesting.

[Yveltal]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Well, this whole conversation has been about how every ghost type seems to have a basis in either literally being a spirit(s), or being possessed/haunted. In fact, here's a quote from you: "Ghost refers not only to dead things, but haunted, almost magical things brought to life by a dark incantation, a bad ending to an ordinary object or a curse." And there are several ghost types based on possessed objects (Bannette, Golurk, etc).
I'm just asking what Frillish's monster basis has to do with these things. Because if it isn't related to spirits or possession, then I guess that is an example of GF just going based on superficial traits like spookiness.

Well, so far Bronzong and Banette are the only examples of a haunted object, but haunting and posession are two very different things in the world of the supernatural. Frillish itself doesn't fall under those particularily, because it's based on a spirit, like Froslass, who also doesn't fall under the categories of haunted, dark magic, or cursed anything. "Spirit", in many parts of the world, is synonymous with "ghost", which is why Game Freak often attributes their pokemon who are spiritual in origin as Ghost-types.

Shockwave, everyone knows that a good hero starts off with humble origin in a southern hodunk town, unless you're the characters in BW2 who start off in a progressive area that's already got every ammenity under the sun. Even then, you live in the only two-story house at the southeast end of town. Still, I wouldn't count out the possibility of a topographical change in your starting location. It depends partly on what lies around Route 3 as shown in that commercial.

[b2j135]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

IDEA:

What if, this gen, we were to start somewhere new? In BW2, we started in an actual town for once. What if we started in an apartment building of a big city at the center of the region? That would be interesting.

I dunno, the main characters still look like minors...

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maybe 16yo?

It IS a cool idea, let's say they live with their parents IN the apartment, and not that the main characters PAY RENT to live in the apartment :p

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

Well, so far Bronzong and Banette are the only examples of a haunted object, but haunting and posession are two very different things in the world of the supernatural. Frillish itself doesn't fall under those particularily, because it's based on a spirit, like Froslass, who also doesn't fall under the categories of haunted, dark magic, or cursed anything. "Spirit", in many parts of the world, is synonymous with "ghost", which is why Game Freak often attributes their pokemon who are spiritual in origin as Ghost-types.

I take it you meant to say Golurk, not Bronzong?
idk, I just consider haunted and possessed to both mean that something is being controlled by an outside spirit. And you can infer that applies to a lot of pokemon. For example, why would a bunch of spirits take the shape of a balloon by themselves? Drifloon is probably a balloon possessed by those spirits.
So you're saying Frillish is based on a spirit? Ok, now it makes sense. It's just that you were referring to its basis as a monster before. So like I said, it seems like every ghost type is based on a spirit(s) or a possessed object.

[Yveltal]

Originally Posted by Fat b2j135

I dunno, the main characters still look like minors...

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maybe 16yo?

It IS a cool idea, let's say they live with their parents IN the apartment, and not that the main characters PAY RENT to live in the apartment :p

I think that's what he meant from the beginning, lol. Lots of kids grow up in big city apartments (with their parents). Still, I think they're playing to a personal nostalgia factor amongst the directors when they start the main character off in a cozy little house in a southern town with a population of three people and a skittle.

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

I take it you meant to say Golurk, not Bronzong?
idk, I just consider haunted and possessed to both mean that something is being controlled by an outside spirit. And you can infer that applies to a lot of pokemon. For example, why would a bunch of spirits take the shape of a balloon by themselves? Drifloon is probably a balloon possessed by those spirits.
So you're saying Frillish is based on a spirit? Ok, now it makes sense. It's just that you were referring to its basis as a monster before. So like I said, it seems like every ghost type is based on a spirit(s) or a possessed object.

I mean what I mean, unlike your insincerities. Golurk is like Claydol, he was magically created by an ancient civilization. Unlike Claydol, Golurks source of energy is more mysterious and much darker, like an arcane and deadly form of life-giving magic, which is why he's a Ghost-type. Take it as it is, I'm nowhere near as vapid and misinformed to make an unecessary mention for a simile. Posessed normally applpies to a demon, monster or spirit inhabiting a person/animals body. Haunted should apply to objects, like dolls and bells, along with areas like houses and the like, but people like the word posessed for no reason. The monster that Frillish was likely based off of is referred to as a spirit thanks to the loose translation of the term "yokai". Every ghost IS based on a spirit, but spirits are a branch of monsters in Japan. They've used a number of traditional monsters traditional to Japan, and most of them are given attributes of spirits or ghosts in their original folklore. It's hard to explain, japanese demonology is tricky.
And from what I've come to understand, the ghosts that become Drifloon are kidnappers and potential pedophiles. IMO, they'd want to turn into something a child would want to hold.

The ghosts actually do a good job at playing to the fears of children. "Oh, I can't leave my toys alone! I need to watch my shadow in case there's a monster hiding in it!"

[Disposable Puppets]

I think if you started out in a big city it would kind of ruin the spectacle of actually getting to a big city because you're already there.

I can't have been the only one to have been impressed by Sky Arrow Bridge and Castelia city when I got there for the first time

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat b2j135

I dunno, the main characters still look like minors...

...

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maybe 16yo?

It IS a cool idea, let's say they live with their parents IN the apartment, and not that the main characters PAY RENT to live in the apartment :p

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

I think that's what he meant from the beginning, lol. Lots of kids grow up in big city apartments (with their parents). Still, I think they're playing to a personal nostalgia factor amongst the directors when they start the main character off in a cozy little house in a southern town with a population of three people and a skittie.

Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Living there with parents.

Also, I'd like to have a father again.

[Yveltal]

Daddy's always too busy for you. Especially when he was there in Gen III

[Satisfaction]

Gengar is likely not a dark type solely because it was created before the dark types introduction, most pokemon are infact given types based on the monster they're designed based on, in most of the cases where a given animal is neutral they might add a bit of flaire by giving it a type that would not seem to match ie Pikachu. Things are sometimes done for the purposes of the meta, moody was given only to pokemon that were not commonly used such as bibarel and glalie, and it was also given an abuser in smeargle, Scizor getting bullet punch was also done seemingly only to raise its usage and make things more balanced. In the same respect certain types are given to balance a pokemon without regard for if that type works on the conception, being the hollow of the pokemon nincada shedinja is more of a possessed husk not a ghost, its typing should be bug dark but that is far harder to stop than bug ghost losing the ghost and dark weakness only to be replaced by the rare bug type that I don't believe anyone viably used back in 3rd gen.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

I mean what I mean, unlike your insincerities.
Wow now, you were finally starting to get the wrench out of your ass, don't screw it up now.
Golurk is like Claydol, he was magically created by an ancient civilization. Unlike Claydol, Golurks source of energy is more mysterious and much darker, like an arcane and deadly form of life-giving magic, which is why he's a Ghost-type. Take it as it is, I'm nowhere near as vapid and misinformed to make an unecessary mention for a simile.
First, see the above comment. Second, Bronzong is just your typical steel type whereas Golurk is a living suit of armor. If it was brought to life, then it was possessed. There really aren't such formal, picky definitions of possessed and haunted. Bronzong's spirit was presumably always there. As for Claydol, I guess he just isn't a ghost type despite being possessed, because it wasn't through shady means.
Posessed normally applpies to a demon, monster or spirit inhabiting a person/animals body. Haunted should apply to objects, like dolls and bells, along with areas like houses and the like, but people like the word posessed for no reason. The monster that Frillish was likely based off of is referred to as a spirit thanks to the loose translation of the term "yokai". Every ghost IS based on a spirit, but spirits are a branch of monsters in Japan. They've used a number of traditional monsters traditional to Japan, and most of them are given attributes of spirits or ghosts in their original folklore. It's hard to explain, japanese demonology is tricky.
And from what I've come to understand, the ghosts that become Drifloon are kidnappers and potential pedophiles. IMO, they'd want to turn into something a child would want to hold.
Ok, so spirits can be monsters too. I know. lol The dex entry said it was made from the spirits of people and pokemon. I don't think pokemon are ever pedophiles. Except for maybe Hypno.

Alright so anyway, moral of the story: don't lose all hope, those who want a ghost finalkin or eeveelution. It's unlikely, but apparently they can become ghost type just from having an evolution based on a spirit.

[Zabel Zarock]

Originally Posted by Fat Satisfaction

Gengar is likely not a dark type solely because it was created before the dark types introduction, most pokemon are infact given types based on the monster they're designed based on, in most of the cases where a given animal is neutral they might add a bit of flaire by giving it a type that would not seem to match ie Pikachu. Things are sometimes done for the purposes of the meta, moody was given only to pokemon that were not commonly used such as bibarel and glalie, and it was also given an abuser in smeargle, Scizor getting bullet punch was also done seemingly only to raise its usage and make things more balanced. In the same respect certain types are given to balance a pokemon without regard for if that type works on the conception, being the hollow of the pokemon nincada shedinja is more of a possessed husk not a ghost, its typing should be bug dark but that is far harder to stop than bug ghost losing the ghost and dark weakness only to be replaced by the rare bug type that I don't believe anyone viably used back in 3rd gen.

If you look at it [Gengar] as the ghost of Clefable then it kind makes sense, especially since you do find Gastly from a pet cementary.

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

It doesn't have a mind to read, so we may never know. They say it's partially based on guardian angels, so our cute little hollow might be above the concept of emotions for more reasons than being a heartless.

Late but...

Just reading this makes me wanna take care and love my Shedinja more. ;A;

[Yveltal]

Well, dearest Narutard. By the looks of it, the story isn't over. If we're going to come at each other like fourth graders (which you seem more comfortable with), then I'd tell you to go back to your bullshit Youtube channel and stay there like the little retard vblogger without a cause that you are. But I'll fight to stay above saying much worse things that would warrant a warning as long as you keep from making useless statements such as ones that suggest that random crap shoved up my ass is means for me acting like a bitch.
I know Bronzong isn't a ghost type, but he makes for a great example of Pokemon's relationships to haunted objects and the paranormal. He's based on an old story about a brass bell that was cursed by a selfish woman. Bronzong and Golurk, however, cannot be compared. Golurk is not a "living suit of armor". Nobody ever wore clay as armor. Golurk and Claydol aren't "posessed", because they were given their own life by different supernatural means. The clay that makes a Claydol was given life by a mysterious laser, but that's not a haunting. Golurk was brought to life by an ancient civilization, whether they used loose souls to animate it or not is up for debate.
And those definitions of "haunted" and "posessed" exist because haunted lunchboxes are as much of a thing as haunted mansions. It's inconsiderate to not think ones wording of something experiencing a paranormal encounter carefully. To remain gramatically traditional, one wouldn't say "wow now", but rather "woah now" when expressing a desire to slow something down brought on by a shocking event.

Also:

Originally Posted by Fat Satisfaction

Gengar is likely not a dark type solely because it was created before the dark types introduction, most pokemon are infact given types based on the monster they're designed based on, in most of the cases where a given animal is neutral they might add a bit of flaire by giving it a type that would not seem to match ie Pikachu. Things are sometimes done for the purposes of the meta, moody was given only to pokemon that were not commonly used such as bibarel and glalie, and it was also given an abuser in smeargle, Scizor getting bullet punch was also done seemingly only to raise its usage and make things more balanced. In the same respect certain types are given to balance a pokemon without regard for if that type works on the conception, being the hollow of the pokemon nincada shedinja is more of a possessed husk not a ghost, its typing should be bug dark but that is far harder to stop than bug ghost losing the ghost and dark weakness only to be replaced by the rare bug type that I don't believe anyone viably used back in 3rd gen.

They could have changed Gengars type to Dark if they wanted when that type was introduced, were they trying to attribute spirits to the Dark attribute instead of Ghost. I'd rather leave it to theorymonners to decide how that would have effected the current metagame though, lul.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

Well. By the looks of it, the story isn't over. If we're going to come at each other like fourth graders (which you seem more comfortable with), then I'd tell you to go back to your bullshit Youtube channel and stay there like the little retard vblogger without a cause that you are. I know Bronzong isn't a ghost type, but he makes for a great example of Pokemon's relationships to haunted objects and the paranormal. He's based on an old story about a brass bell that was cursed by a selfish woman. Bronzong and Golurk, however, cannot be compared. Golurk is not a "living suit of armor". Nobody ever wore clay as armor. Golurk and Claydol aren't "posessed", because they were given their own life by different supernatural means. The clay that makes a Claydol was given life by a mysterious laser, but that's not a haunting. Golurk was brought to life by an ancient civilization, whether they used loose souls to animate it or not is up for debate.
And those definitions of "haunted" and "posessed" exist because haunted lunchboxes are as much of a thing as haunted mansions. It's inconsiderate to not think ones wording of something experiencing a paranormal encounter carefully. To remain gramatically traditional, one wouldn't say "wow now", but rather "woah now" when expressing a desire to slow something down brought on by a shocking event.

Oh that's cute, you're a fan.
Now, if you don't want to be called out on, then just stop making those douche remarks.
Design-wise, he's a suit of armor, regardless of if he's made of clay. And if they previously didn't have life, then they were possessed by life, even if it was never in a different vessel.
To be gramatically traditional, "well" is followed by a comma, not a period. This is a forum though, nobody cares.
EDIT: Nevermind, you fixed that and added another douche remark. This can serve as a different example: "It's inconsiderate to not think ones wording of something experiencing a paranormal encounter carefully". I think you're missing a word or two there.

We agree on the actual point of this ghost argument. So let's not continue that. And the personal argument can stop too as soon as you're ready. I don't think anyone else really cares here how valuable you find my posts to be.

[Ingo]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

IDEA:







What if, this gen, we were to start somewhere new? In BW2, we started in an actual town for once. What if we started in an apartment building of a big city at the center of the region? That would be interesting.

That's actually be pretty cool. It wouldn't have to be a big city persay, since Paris is probably going to take that role, but it could be a minature Le Mans


(Although that's still big, it works because of where it's placed) Sort of like how Aspertia = New Jersey

[zyrefredric]

We all know how Dragons dominate the OU metagame, and that is why some people don't want Gen6 to bring any more Dragons, and I kind of agree. However, I would like for weaker dragons to be available, so that RU, UU and NU could have some to play with other than Dragon pre-evos. Right now, only two fully-evolved dragons reside in the lower tiers, Druddigon and Altaria. It would be nice to have something like this:


yup, i know it's a digimon
Drake
Dragon/Normal

• HP: 50
• Atk: 50
• Def: 50
• SpA: 50
• SpD: 50
• Spe: 50

Available early game. Learns a wide array of Normal-type attack and support moves, and limited to Dragon Pulse/Claw (no Dragon Dance, but can be tutored Outrage and Draco Meteor later on). Evolves into final form at level 30, still Dragon/Normal, with stats of 80/80/80/80/80/80 (BST: 480). Pretty mediocre. However, this Pokemon is unique in that if it levels up while knowing the move Hidden Power, it evolves into a form whose secondary type is the same as the Hidden Power's type, as determined by the IV's. This gives us 15 Dragon types. The BST would remain 480 (ala Scyther-Scizor), while the stats would all be 65, except for two stats that will be 110 each. After evolving, it would learn very good moves of its secondary type to supplement the Dragon and Normal type moves it already has. Example stat spreads and learnsets are shown below. (Note how each stat spread is unique. Also, the assigned stat spread may not be optimal given the typing and learnset, but it's just an example so it's not like it should be this way exactly. The abilities can be the same for all forms, maybe Adaptability or Pressure, or it could be different to further distinguish each. Lastly, Hidden Power Dragon makes it evolve into the Dragon/Normal form.)

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Dragon/Fire
110 - 110 - 65 - 65 - 65 - 65

• Will-O-Wisp
• Flame Charge
• Lava Plume
• Flamethrower
• Fire Blast
• Flare Blitz
• Overheat
• Eruption

Dragon/Water
110 - 65 - 110 - 65 - 65 - 65

• Aqua Ring
• Aqua Jet
• Waterfall
• Scald
• Surf
• Hydro Pump
• Water Spout

Dragon/Electric
110 - 65 - 65 - 110 - 65 - 65

• Magnet Rise
• Thunder Wave
• Charge Beam
• Volt Switch
• Thunder punch
• Discharge
• Wild Charge
• Thunderbolt
• Thunder

Dragon/Grass
110 - 65 - 65 - 65 - 110 - 65

• Spore
• Aromatherapy
• Ingrain
• Leech Seed
• Stun Spore
• Synthesis
• Giga Drain
• Energy Ball
• Leaf Blade
• Power Whip
• Wood Hammer
• Leaf Storm

Dragon/Ice
110 - 65 - 65 - 65 - 65 - 110

• Haze
• Frost Breath
• Ice Shard
• Icicle Crash
• Ice Beam
• Blizzard

Dragon/Fighting
65 - 110 - 110 - 65 - 65 - 65

• Bulk Up
• Mach Punch
• Vacuum Wave
• Circle Throw
• Drain Punch
• Aura Sphere
• Focus Blast
• Close Combat
• Hi Jump Kick

Dragon/Poison
65 - 110 - 65 - 110 - 65 - 65

• Toxic
• Acid Armor
• Coil
• Toxic Spikes
• Acid Spray
• Clear Smog
• Venoshock
• Sludge Bomb
• Sludge Wave
• Gunk Shot

Dragon/Ground
65 - 110 - 65 - 65 - 110 - 65

• Spikes
• Bulldoze
• Earth Power
• Earthquake

Dragon/Flying
65 - 110 - 65 - 65 - 65 - 110

• Roost
• Tailwind
• Acrobatics
• Air Slash
• Hurricane
• Brave Bird

Dragon/Psychic
65 - 65 - 110 - 110 - 65 - 65

• Calm Mind
• Light Screen
• Reflect
• Trick Room
• Agility
• Cosmic Power
• Healing Wish
• Trick
• Psychock
• Zen Headbutt
• Psychic

Dragon/Bug
65 - 65 - 110 - 65 - 110 - 65

• Quiver Dance
• U-turn
• X-Scissor
• Bug Buzz
• Megahorn

Dragon/Rock
65 - 65 - 110 - 65 - 65 - 110

• Rock Polish
• Stealth Rock
• Ancient Power
• Rock Slide
• Stone Edge
• Head Smash

Dragon/Ghost
65 - 65 - 65 - 110 - 110 - 65

• Confuse Ray
• Destiny Bond
• Shadow Sneak
• Shadow Claw
• Shadow Ball

Dragon/Dark
65 - 65 - 65 - 110 - 65 - 110

• Hone Claws
• Taunt
• Memento
• Nasty Plot
• Switcheroo
• Pursuit
• Crunch
• Sucker Punch

Dragon/Steel
65 - 65 - 65 - 65 - 110 - 110

• Autotomize
• Shift Gear
• Gyro Ball
• Bullet Punch
• Flash Cannon
• Iron Head
• Meteor Mash

[Yveltal]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Oh that's cute, you're a fan.
Now, if you don't want to be called out on, then just stop making those douche remarks.
Design-wise, he's a suit of armor, regardless of if he's made of clay. And if they previously didn't have life, then they were possessed by life, even if it was never in a different vessel.
To be gramatically traditional, "well" is followed by a comma, not a period. This is a forum though, nobody cares.
EDIT: Nevermind, you fixed that and added another douche remark. This can serve as a different example: "It's inconsiderate to not think ones wording of something experiencing a paranormal encounter carefully". I think you're missing a word or two there.

We agree on the actual point of this ghost argument. So let's not continue that. And the personal argument can stop too as soon as you're ready. I don't think anyone else really cares here how valuable you find my posts to be.

Golurk is based on a golem, but it's ok that you didn't pick up on the Gol- prefix and failed to assume that it came from an actual word that might indicate its origin. the Gol- prefix exists in the japanese name too, so its golem theming is an important part of its design. Don't go gettin' it mixed up. Remind me what we agree on, all I remember is telling you this and that about the inspiration of certain pokemon.

Zyrefredric, that's...freaking beautiful. It kind of reminds me of how digimon can evolve into something of a completely different attribute if they meet special requirements through training(i blame your use of theever-precocious Demiveemon), but it's a killer idea.

[Ingo]

Originally Posted by Fat zyrefredric

Slipsnip
[/HIDE]

Sounds a bit like eevee, but I like it!

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

Golurk is based on a golem, but it's ok that you didn't pick up on the Gol- prefix and failed to assume that it came from an actual word that might indicate its origin. the Gol- prefix exists in the japanese name too, so its golem theming is an important part of its design. Don't go gettin' it mixed up. Remind me what we agree on, all I remember is telling you this and that about the inspiration of certain pokemon.

A definition of Golem is "automaton or robot". Automatons are basically living suits of armor.
If you're so egotistical that you have to feel like you already knew everything 100% the same way that you do now, then that's fine. I'm just saying I agree about the basis for all ghost types as things currently stand.

[Belbazoar]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

A definition of Golem is "automaton or robot". Automatons are basically living suits of armor.
If you're so egotistical that you have to feel like you already knew everything 100% the same way that you do now, then that's fine. I'm just saying I agree about the basis for all ghost types as things currently stand.

Another definition is Clay figure brought to life by magic which would make a lot more sense at least to me then a suit of armor

[Yveltal]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

A definition of Golem is "automaton or robot". Automatons are basically living suits of armor.
If you're so egotistical that you have to feel like you already knew everything 100% the same way that you do now, then that's fine. I'm just saying I agree about the basis for all ghost types as things currently stand.

Wrong again oh ye of thoughtless statements.
A golem is any anthropomorphic being brought to life my inanimate matter, and are monsters from way back in the biblical times. Robots are animated due to a power source and are still mostly a product of science fiction. Did you think it was a suit of armor? a robot? Mechs are armored, but they aren't always "suits" of armor, if that's the connection you meant to make. Before you make incorrect statements probably brought on by the misuse of the phrase "golem" in another continuity, take a look at the clues that already exist in this franchise first. cough cough, the evloved form of Graveler, hack cough cough.

[b2j135]

Originally Posted by Fat zyrefredric

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Wouldn't this be a bit OP for those tiers though? I DO LOVE this idea however very original....just not sure how it would fit without being unbalanced.

Also, Yveltal & Narutendo3 for the love of GOD! PLEASE STOP ARGUING HERE, YOUR BOTH WASTING PAGES!

Originally Posted by Fat Birkal

A request: please keep your speculation reasonable; do not post just for the sake of posting if you have nothing remotely intelligent to say.

This includes pointless arguing over who is smarter than the other.
If you want to argue, just use the Visitor Message or Private Message feature.
Please, let us stay on topic and stray away from arguing.

[zyrefredric]

Originally Posted by Fat Ingo

Sounds a bit like eevee, but I like it!

It is inspired by Eevee! The difference is, there is no way to control the evolution, as it is determined solely by IV's. I can only imagine how frustrating it is trying to complete all forms in-game. That's a lot of Drake-catching!

Originally Posted by Fat b2j135

Wouldn't this be a bit OP for those tiers though? I DO LOVE this idea however very original....just not sure how it would fit without being unbalanced.

I think its the stat spreads that's making it look OP, so I changed it into 100's and 40's, instead of 110's and 20's. I really want more dragons in RU/NU/UU to make them more diverse. No need for additional dragons in OU.

@shockwave527 below, don't worry, I'm well aware of that..^^ It's just a wish/hope though. I'm sure you're right when you say we WILL be getting powerful OU dragons instead of weak NU/UU/RU ones.