Pokémon X and Y Discussion - Page 18

MeteorMiss · Jan 9th, 2013, 9:54:39 AM

In terms of the name origins...

I originally thought that the names were based on spacial dimensions, and then the third version would be Pokemon Z due to the 3-dimensional nature of the games. However, I noticed the third version of this generation will be the 23rd main series game released in Japan.

This may just be a coincidence, but it greatly adds to the theory that the names are based on chromosomes (since the x and y chromosomes are the 23rd and last chromosomes in humans). The Japanese logos also look a bit like DNA strands, too.

McGrrr · Jan 9th, 2013, 9:56:12 AM

The new stuff is impressive, and I'm no longer disappointed at picking up a heavily discounted 3DS towards the end of 2011.

To those still hoping for a third generation remake; this doesn't make sense to me because the EV/IV system and formulae are consistent with later generations. Additionally, it's possible to transfer Pokemon from RSE to the latest generation. Providing that XY is backwards compatible, this will remain the case.

I'm mainly hoping for something that will change the mechanics on the scale of the transition from RBY to GSC, or from GSC to RSE. The generational changes since have been tame in comparison, and I feel that things are growing stale.

MakaiMai · Jan 9th, 2013, 9:58:32 AM

I'd be fine with the names if they rolled off the tongue better, or were easier to pronounce. Xerneas at least has a reasonable guess for me, but Yveltal...bleh, I'm not even gonna try.

cartercr · Jan 9th, 2013, 10:00:26 AM

Great, another Grass/Psychic...

deluge · Jan 9th, 2013, 10:11:54 AM

BTW, I don't think we got a single glimpse at the bottom screen during the trailer. That would have given us way more info about the game systems than Nintendo wanted to reveal.

There are a number of interesting possibilities here. Street Pass seems made for Pokemon and there's Spot Pass for updates and distributions. Also features enabled by the HGSS pedometer are built into the 3DS. I wonder if the whole "bonding" thing they're talking about involves taking your Pokemon with you while you walk etc.

Gothic Togekiss · Jan 9th, 2013, 10:13:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Serebii

Xerneas: ZURR-nee-us
Yveltal: ee-VELL-tall

That's how it's pronounced according to TPCi

Please note that TPCi tend to mispronounce Pokemon names from time to time so take it with a grain of salt. Overall I have to say that I really digging the legendaries' appearance and names.

Uvood · Jan 9th, 2013, 10:32:48 AM

The legendary names really seem like they are supposed to be pronounced in Norwegian, they roll on my tongue quite easily. Might be hinting that these two are inspired by Norse mythology, like people were mentioning earlier in the thread.

b2j135 · Jan 9th, 2013, 10:34:03 AM

Well I claiming it right now, Yveltal is Dark/Flying, Dark/Dragon, Dark/Psychic, or Dark/Normal
Dark at this point is confirmed because it has the pronunciation of "evil" in it's name (ee-VELL-tall), and we all know that the Dark type in Japanese is called the Evil type.
2+2=dark type lol

Xerneas (ZURR-nee-us) sounds similar to Arceus...and that is all I could think of lol
INB4 GHOST/STEEL WITH LEVITATE!

Joel · Jan 9th, 2013, 10:49:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat MrIndigo

I feel like this announcement means Smogon needs to overhaul the way it deals with metagame changes (banlists etc.). I think we've made a valiant effort in democratising the process of determining what's good and bad, but the whole thing takes so long (a few months arguing about what individual thing should be tested, qualifiying to vote process, Suspect testing for a few months, then voting process, and then finally making the change... for the single thing. Then the process repeats.)

If changes are going to be introduced faster than we can moderate the metagame, we need to change out metagame moderation process. Perhaps a less democratised process (e.g. no qualification round for voting, you just take the top 100 people on the ladder in the previous month), or testing more things at the same time, or having an auto-ban for a pokemon that makes usage over 30% for two-three consecutive months.

I just want to re-post your post so that it tries to get more notice. I agree with every word here.

Darkmaster77 · Jan 9th, 2013, 11:10:51 AM

Reading in another website the this legendarys are based in a myth from a Japanese city of Nara in which Yatagarasu ( a 3-Claw Crow) and a White Deer are divine messengers

Sidfrid · Jan 9th, 2013, 11:12:03 AM

Yveltal instaban now!!!

(jk)

MLaRF · Jan 9th, 2013, 11:14:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Sidfrid

Yveltal instaban now!!!

Why would we instantly ban a pokemon we know nothing about? that's like banning regigigas before gen 4 came out.

Treadshot A1 · Jan 9th, 2013, 11:18:33 AM

Given I've nicknamed a pokemon in game Ystra before (or more accurately, made someone else do so in the Scramble thread, which was given the pronunciation "EE-stra"), I'm going to say:

Yveltal = EE-vel-tal (or ee-VEL-tal, though the one below would be preferable)

Sounds like "evil", makes sense given there's no vowel after the Y to take Y's other vowel-like sound.

Alternatively, Yveltal = I-VEL-tal

I'd be happy either way. As long as it's not Ye-vell-tall for some odd reason.

As for Xerneas, I'm going to guess it'll be pronounced exactly as it looks:

Xer-nee-as

With the X taking the same sound it does in "Xylophone", sorta like halfway between an S and a Z (though probably closer to S...).

Anartya · Jan 9th, 2013, 11:29:23 AM

Yveltal has that houndoom-like face...especially the horns on it head. The horns face front instead of back. Looks very promising as a dark/flying.

But Xerneas's majestic stance...looks really good. If you look at the background...Xerneas is in a forest...while Yveltal is above the clouds.

Would be great if Xerneas's was grass/steel...a very nice Uber-tier typing.

BluhBluh · Jan 9th, 2013, 11:30:33 AM

Making a prediction.

Xerneas has grass-typing

Infernis · Jan 9th, 2013, 11:44:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat McGrrr

To those still hoping for a third generation remake; this doesn't make sense to me because the EV/IV system and formulae are consistent with later generations. Additionally, it's possible to transfer Pokemon from RSE to the latest generation. Providing that XY is backwards compatible, this will remain the case.

This is true, but also note that the DSi and 3DS don't have a port for migration. And the original cartridges are starting to fail, what with their built-in batteries and clocks. It's possible, but it isn't easy or accessible.

Anyway, found something interesting on Pokebeach. Xerneas' eyes are red and blue, and have an X-shaped iris. Someone was noticing Yveltal's Ruby/Sapphire eyes before, so there's a connection. It also means that Xerneas contains color references to every single previous game. Red and blue in the horns, gold and silver in the horns, ruby and sapphire in the eyes, black and white in the legs... which makes me think that diamond/pearl are the blue body structure, but I'm not entirely sure on that part.

Pickaxe · Jan 9th, 2013, 11:54:38 AM

Hey guys, calling it now.

Gen VI is where they finally introduce a "Light" type to oppose Dark.

And no I don't care what the Japanese name for "Psychic type" is.

Time to retroactively turn things like Delcatty, Blissey and Clefable into Light types.

Present · Jan 9th, 2013, 12:00:46 PM

Just noticed that Xerneas has an X in its eyes, instead of a normal pupil. (somewhere in the video, you can see it quite well)

feriokun · Jan 9th, 2013, 12:02:06 PM

I'm going to hope for...

Fire/Psychic
Grass/Dark
Water/Fighting

It would give every Starter a way to kill any of the other starters. It would be really interesting!

Sæglópur · Jan 9th, 2013, 12:06:19 PM

I could be wrong, but won't RNG be near impossible with this new engine?
I'll be interested to see if the RNG researchers here can crack it.

Fizz · Jan 9th, 2013, 12:10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Pickaxe

Time to retroactively turn things like Delcatty, Blissey and Clefable into Light types.

I dunno, Blissey's a pretty heavy gal.

But seriously, light ain't gonna happen.

TooMuchSugar · Jan 9th, 2013, 12:24:53 PM

If there was going to be a light type, it would have been introduced in BW.

MLaRF · Jan 9th, 2013, 12:29:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TooMuchSugar

If there was going to be a light type, it would have been introduced in BW.

I dunno, there weren't many pokemon in B/W that seemed like they would fit into the "light" type, whereas in this one we have a rainbow-horned deer who was first seen sunbathing, opposite what is very heavily implied to be a dark type. If a light type is introduced, this generation would make the most sense.

The Cicada · Jan 9th, 2013, 12:35:11 PM

Yveltal=evil-tail

Xerneas=Zer-neigh-as

Onicon · Jan 9th, 2013, 12:37:40 PM

Too bad the names don't come with a pronunciation guide.

Xerneas must sound like [ˈksɛrniəs] or [ksɛrˈniəs] for English speakers. I personally would call it [zeˈneːas] but [ˈzeneːas] is ok, too. It is a really flexible name.
Yveltal is tricky. I am pretty sure I have to stress the first syllabe. [ˈaɪvɛltɑl] sounds decent enough, though the Y might be an ɪ for [ˈɪvɛltɑl].

And no, no Light for you. Dark is misleading enough, for it is "evil" in Japanese. Psychic is "Esper", and we all know it means "extra-sensory-perception".

Jan 9th, 2013, 9:56:12 AM	#427
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Jan 9th, 2013, 9:58:32 AM	#428
MakaiMai Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 30	I'd be fine with the names if they rolled off the tongue better, or were easier to pronounce. Xerneas at least has a reasonable guess for me, but Yveltal...bleh, I'm not even gonna try. __________________ Skype: meta_kirby

Jan 9th, 2013, 10:00:26 AM	#429
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Jan 9th, 2013, 10:32:48 AM	#432
Uvood Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 44 Where none has ever tread	The legendary names really seem like they are supposed to be pronounced in Norwegian, they roll on my tongue quite easily. Might be hinting that these two are inspired by Norse mythology, like people were mentioning earlier in the thread. __________________ I try my best to be cheerful, no matter what. If you challenge me, I hope you do your best to be as well :).

Jan 9th, 2013, 10:34:03 AM	#433
b2j135 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 281 C-City	Well I claiming it right now, Yveltal is Dark/Flying, Dark/Dragon, Dark/Psychic, or Dark/Normal Dark at this point is confirmed because it has the pronunciation of "evil" in it's name (ee-VELL-tall), and we all know that the Dark type in Japanese is called the Evil type. 2+2=dark type lol Xerneas (ZURR-nee-us) sounds similar to Arceus...and that is all I could think of lol INB4 GHOST/STEEL WITH LEVITATE! __________________ Black 2: 2151-5964-8727 (Add this one) No Unreleased Dream World Pokemon. Standard rules+use as many items as you want but only one focus sash a team. I use Legal hacks so they are allowed when battling me. My Chat & My Channel

Jan 9th, 2013, 9:54:39 AM	#426
MeteorMiss Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 111	In terms of the name origins... I originally thought that the names were based on spacial dimensions, and then the third version would be Pokemon Z due to the 3-dimensional nature of the games. However, I noticed the third version of this generation will be the 23rd main series game released in Japan. This may just be a coincidence, but it greatly adds to the theory that the names are based on chromosomes (since the x and y chromosomes are the 23rd and last chromosomes in humans). The Japanese logos also look a bit like DNA strands, too.

Jan 9th, 2013, 10:11:54 AM	#430
deluge Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 797	BTW, I don't think we got a single glimpse at the bottom screen during the trailer. That would have given us way more info about the game systems than Nintendo wanted to reveal. There are a number of interesting possibilities here. Street Pass seems made for Pokemon and there's Spot Pass for updates and distributions. Also features enabled by the HGSS pedometer are built into the 3DS. I wonder if the whole "bonding" thing they're talking about involves taking your Pokemon with you while you walk etc.

Jan 9th, 2013, 11:10:51 AM	#435
Darkmaster77 Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 145 Chile , South America	Reading in another website the this legendarys are based in a myth from a Japanese city of Nara in which Yatagarasu ( a 3-Claw Crow) and a White Deer are divine messengers __________________ Here's my NEW thread check it out !!! http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3448118

Jan 9th, 2013, 11:12:03 AM	#436
Sidfrid Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 217 Dominican Republic	Yveltal instaban now!!! (jk) __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ I rum man Smogon's Hot 350 List

Jan 9th, 2013, 11:18:33 AM	#438
Treadshot A1 Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,305	Given I've nicknamed a pokemon in game Ystra before (or more accurately, made someone else do so in the Scramble thread, which was given the pronunciation "EE-stra"), I'm going to say: Yveltal = EE-vel-tal (or ee-VEL-tal, though the one below would be preferable) Sounds like "evil", makes sense given there's no vowel after the Y to take Y's other vowel-like sound. Alternatively, Yveltal = I-VEL-tal I'd be happy either way. As long as it's not Ye-vell-tall for some odd reason. As for Xerneas, I'm going to guess it'll be pronounced exactly as it looks: Xer-nee-as With the X taking the same sound it does in "Xylophone", sorta like halfway between an S and a Z (though probably closer to S...). __________________ Just A1 for short. Apparenlty people can't spell Treadshot. Recent Scramble link Note: Yes, it is spelt wrong. Deliberately. Shut up, you're not the first to notice.

Jan 9th, 2013, 11:29:23 AM	#439
Anartya Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 33	Yveltal has that houndoom-like face...especially the horns on it head. The horns face front instead of back. Looks very promising as a dark/flying. But Xerneas's majestic stance...looks really good. If you look at the background...Xerneas is in a forest...while Yveltal is above the clouds. Would be great if Xerneas's was grass/steel...a very nice Uber-tier typing.

Jan 9th, 2013, 11:30:33 AM	#440
BluhBluh Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 14	Making a prediction. Xerneas has grass-typing

Jan 9th, 2013, 11:54:38 AM	#442
Pickaxe Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 17	Hey guys, calling it now. Gen VI is where they finally introduce a "Light" type to oppose Dark. And no I don't care what the Japanese name for "Psychic type" is. Time to retroactively turn things like Delcatty, Blissey and Clefable into Light types.

Jan 9th, 2013, 12:00:46 PM	#443
Present Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 340 By choice or chance, you cannot control what you are not aware of.	Just noticed that Xerneas has an X in its eyes, instead of a normal pupil. (somewhere in the video, you can see it quite well) __________________ Emerald Hard Scramble Brother's Platinum Scramble

Jan 9th, 2013, 12:02:06 PM	#444
feriokun Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 59 USA	I'm going to hope for... Fire/Psychic Grass/Dark Water/Fighting It would give every Starter a way to kill any of the other starters. It would be really interesting!

Jan 9th, 2013, 12:06:19 PM	#445
Sæglópur Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 819 UTC-6	I could be wrong, but won't RNG be near impossible with this new engine? I'll be interested to see if the RNG researchers here can crack it.

Jan 9th, 2013, 12:24:53 PM	#447
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Jan 9th, 2013, 12:35:11 PM	#449
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Jan 9th, 2013, 12:37:40 PM	#450
Onicon Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 698	Too bad the names don't come with a pronunciation guide. Xerneas must sound like [ˈksɛrniəs] or [ksɛrˈniəs] for English speakers. I personally would call it [zeˈneːas] but [ˈzeneːas] is ok, too. It is a really flexible name. Yveltal is tricky. I am pretty sure I have to stress the first syllabe. [ˈaɪvɛltɑl] sounds decent enough, though the Y might be an ɪ for [ˈɪvɛltɑl]. And no, no Light for you. Dark is misleading enough, for it is "evil" in Japanese. Psychic is "Esper", and we all know it means "extra-sensory-perception".