Pokémon X and Y Discussion - Page 182

Flaming Piranha · Feb 12th, 2013, 5:44:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat cantab

Dragon is mainly motivated by the "last special type" logic. But not all dragons look fearsome, Dragonite, Kingdra, Flygon and the Latis join Altaria as "exceptions" to what's really not a strong rule.

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Originally Posted by Fat Infernis

@ Flaming Piranha - The other evidence is that Dragon is the only previously-Special type not given an Eeveelution. Eeveelutions are seemingly all about patterns, so it makes a certain amount of sense for this one to be Dragon.

As for fearsomeness, Dratini is adorable, and Dragonite looks downright friendly in most depictions.

The point I was trying to make is that Ninfia would look a lot more "dragon-like" and have a lot more dragon-like features if it was intended to be dragon type.

SmashBrosBrawl · Feb 12th, 2013, 5:49:54 PM

Ninfia could very well be a dragon. I dont know if you guys noticed but most dragon-types dont look like dragons at all: altaria, dratini, dragonair, vibrava, flygon, palkia, dialga.

cantab · Feb 12th, 2013, 5:50:37 PM

Specially-oriented normal would help it stand out. I'm thinking something similar to Porygon-Z but faster and not as powerful. It would definitely want Hyper Voice at a bare minimum, and ideally a new special Normal move to play with, a normal variant of Fire Blast/Hydro Pump say.

Jabroni · Feb 12th, 2013, 5:57:05 PM

um i'm just came back to say:
I haven't updated it since my last post, so if anyone who wants to update the poll with their own results (squishy frog), feel free to quote me and put the changes in bold.
night yall.

Narutendo3 · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:06:12 PM

@SmashBrosBrawl
You don't need a binary to add a type. Regardless, pure makes a binary with evil and light does with dark. And Ninfia is a gentle mammal. That's like the exact opposite of a dragon. The examples you mentioned aren't nearly as much of a stretch, as none of them are mammals or gentle. And each eeveelution has been designed as the epitome of their type.

SmashBrosBrawl · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

@SmashBrosBrawl
You don't need a binary to add a type. Regardless, pure makes a binary with evil and light does with dark. And Ninfia is a gentle mammal. That's like the exact opposite of a dragon. The examples you mentioned aren't nearly as much of a stretch. And each eeveelution has been designed as the epitome of their type.

Dragons dont exist therefore are open to interpretation. Gamefreaks idea of a dragon varies depending on the pokemon. Ninfia could very well be a dragon, i see nothing wrong with it.

Ivysaurtrainer · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

Don't even. Earlier you were saying Xerneas was clearly light type, let's not break into that again.

Yeah I guess its not "clearly" light type. I just think there is pretty solid evidence for ninfia being a new type. something along the lines of light or devine.

just a theory

Wishy · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:12:36 PM

I wonder what the new evolution method will be? Eevee has always been a poster-child for alternative evolution methods, such as happiness-based evolution in Gen2 and location-based evolution in Gen4.

I'm in the party who think Ninfia might be a female only evolution. It is very girly and whimsical (counter argument: that doesn't stop some Pokemon from being male or vice versa (manly female), and Glaceon could look girly depending how you view it (is the head-piece supposed to look like this or like this?)). They just need to give it some kind of new evolutionary method that only happens with female Eevees. If there is second new eeveelution, then it could be a male specific evolution. Have a female Eevee gift in Y and male Eevee gift in X and there you go, version exclusives as well! Typing wise, it's anyone's guess. Flying? Normal? Bug? Dragon? Celestial? Holy? Good? Pure? Virgin? I'm leaning on Flying or Normal, with a counterpart being Fighting.

And if Ninfia is the only new eeveelution, they could still make it gender-specific. Eevee's gender ratio is heavily skewered towards male, so it would make it more 'rare' than the others.

Edit: Oh and the male version will be blue and have an actual bowtie as an opposite to Ninfia's ribbons/bows.

Narutendo3 · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:14:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Dragons dont exist therefore are open to interpretation. Gamefreaks idea of a dragon varies depending on the pokemon. Ninfia could very well be a dragon, i see nothing wrong with it.

They do mix it up a lot. I just seriously doubt that they would represent the dragon type in eevee's family with features that represent the very opposite of a stereotypical dragon.

Skore · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:19:10 PM

Someone will have to enlighten me.

When Espeon and Umbreon and then Leafeon and Glaceon were announced - were they announced in pairs?

Ivysaurtrainer · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:19:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

May i crush everyone hopes and dreams? Ok:
The Dark type (Japanese: あくタイプ Evil type)
Tell me where a light type would fit.

Light doesn't have to oppose dark, Fighting already does that it japanese.

Light could just be ひかり type. (light or shine type) with no definite correlation to dark needed, its just a light type.

People are over thinking all the implications of this way too much.

Katakiri · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:19:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Flaming Piranha

And who thought up Dragon? Dragons are supposed to be fearsome

"FEAR ME! ...please."
Flygon's also pretty cute and I for one find Garchomp adorable.

I don't really care about it's typing too much as long as it's got a good stat-spread and movepool...oh what am I saying? Eeveelutions always have horrid movepools. She looks agile at least so I'm hoping she'll join Espeon in the base 110 club. In fact I'll hope she becomes this fast Pokemon with a huge Defense stat (130), decent HP (95), and basically nothing for offenses (65 each with the last 60 in SpDef.)

There's also a pattern to Eevee movepools that goes like:

...

Considering that each +2/-2 move for each stat except SpA is covered, (Fake Tears covering SpD for all of them) Ninfia seems like a good canidate for Nasty Plot...or Captivate....most likely Captivate...man, Game Freak can be lame sometimes.

Brutaka · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:21:56 PM

Well, the first part of the name, "Ninf" means "Nypmh", so I dunno what that means.

I'm aiming for Normal or Bug.

However, there are two things for certain:
1. It will be monotyped. Why the heck would they break that pattern?
2. I'm gonna say that it will be an existing type as well. Everyone keeps begging for Light type and they havent done it so far. And why would we need it?

Still, I like Ninfia. Or what will most certainly be called Ninfeon.
I mean, it has a bowtie!

And for anyone who watches Doctor Who, you know just as well as I do that bow ties are cool.

Flaming Piranha · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:22:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Wishy

I wonder what the new evolution method will be?

Someone earlier in the thread suggested that the Float Stone could be involved if it were to be a Flying type, an idea which I like, seeing as Float Stone is useless both competitively and in-game compared to other items.

SmashBrosBrawl · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:22:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Ivysaurtrainer

Light doesn't have to oppose dark, Fighting already does that it japanese.

Light could just be ひかり type. (light or shine type) with no definite correlation to dark needed, its just a light type.

People are over thinking all the implications of this way too much.

Fine. Theres no reason to add a new type, specially one that is so abstract. Like seriously what is light suposed the effective on or weak to? Also several steel moves are based on light already making this extremely redundant.

Ivysaurtrainer · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:25:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Fine. Theres no reason to add a new type, specially one that is so abstract. Like seriously what is light suposed the effective on or weak to? Also several steel moves are based on light already making this extremely redundant.

Light isnt very abstract. and those steel moves and other moves like solar beam or morning sun would retroactively become light type. as well as several pokemon

At the very worst it would just provide more variety, I don't know why everyone's so against this

SmashBrosBrawl · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:29:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Ivysaurtrainer

Light isnt very abstract. and those steel moves and other moves like solar beam or morning sun would retroactively become light type. as well as several pokemon

At the very worst it would just provide more variety, I don't know why everyone's so against this

Do you think gamefreak idea of innovation for gen 6 involves breaking the game in half?

Wishy · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:29:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Ivysaurtrainer

Light isnt very abstract. and those steel moves and other moves like solar beam or morning sun would retroactively become light type. as well as several pokemon

At the very worst it would just provide more variety, I don't know why everyone's so against this

Because nobody likes things being retcon'd and Light-type is very lame.

Brutaka · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:30:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Ivysaurtrainer

Light isnt very abstract. and those steel moves and other moves like solar beam or morning sun would retroactively become light type. as well as several pokemon

At the very worst it would just provide more variety, I don't know why everyone's so against this

Because it's useless and will be just there to screw stuff up. And there's no precedent.

Steel and Dark were added for a well defined reason. Psychic had a huge monopoly on the other types, and Steel and Dark were to added to curb it. (Psychic does nothing to dark and is weak to it, and not very effective versus steel)

If you want to add a new type, try to counter an existing type with the new one. Like to counter Dragon, it's pretty rampant right now, even with the Steel and Ice types about.

But Light is not the way to go.

Redless · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:30:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Ivysaurtrainer

I don't know why everyone's so against this

I don't think anyone is really against the idea of a new type, but most people think that it won't be very likely.

Flaming Piranha · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:42:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Ivysaurtrainer

Light isnt very abstract. and those steel moves and other moves like solar beam or morning sun would retroactively become light type. as well as several pokemon

At the very worst it would just provide more variety, I don't know why everyone's so against this

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
Steel attacking moves are already scarce, we don't want Flash Cannon, Mirror Shot etc to be removed from Steel type's already limited movepool.
Light type would be cool, but in the end completely pointless.

The Diverman · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:44:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Flaming Piranha

I've seen people say there's text beside that screenshot saying something like "Eevee has evolved!" So that's probably the evolution animation.

Wishy · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:45:27 PM

Also to all the people who are advocates for addition of Light type, what exactly would Light type Pokemon represent? What will it be about Light types that set them apart thematically from say Normal or Electric types? I think the representatives of those two typings cover anything that could be considered Light type.

It's just opening a big can of worms that don't need to be opened. The 17 types that exist encompass pretty much everything already. There is no point.

Flaming Piranha · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:47:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Flaming Piranha

Look at this screenshot from the scans. If those aren't feathers, I don't know what they are.

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Originally Posted by Fat The Diverman

I've seen say there's text beside that screenshot that say something like "Eevee has evolved!" So that's probably the evolution animation.

Doubt it. If you look closely at the background, you can see the outline of the wavy grass. Unless GameFreak are implementing in-battle evolutions, then your idea is highly unlikely. It's probably using FeatherDance or something like that.

Ivysaurtrainer · Feb 12th, 2013, 6:48:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Do you think gamefreak idea of innovation for gen 6 involves breaking the game in half?

ok explain to me how it would break the game.

Feb 12th, 2013, 5:49:54 PM	#4527
SmashBrosBrawl Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 327	Ninfia could very well be a dragon. I dont know if you guys noticed but most dragon-types dont look like dragons at all: altaria, dratini, dragonair, vibrava, flygon, palkia, dialga. __________________ %CoolStoryBrobat: Crobat's my 2nd fave Poke

Feb 12th, 2013, 5:50:37 PM	#4528
cantab Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,358 England	Specially-oriented normal would help it stand out. I'm thinking something similar to Porygon-Z but faster and not as powerful. It would definitely want Hyper Voice at a bare minimum, and ideally a new special Normal move to play with, a normal variant of Fire Blast/Hydro Pump say. __________________ "If I may guess, Emboar might be an exception to the norm that the scalding liquid is expelled from the Pokémon's mouth" - Cobraroll, on Emboar learning Scald. "Nothing like a cup of tea to start off the day" - Professor Oak, EP025.

Feb 12th, 2013, 5:57:05 PM	#4529
Jabroni Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 74 Straight outta Palet Town	um i'm just came back to say: I haven't updated it since my last post, so if anyone who wants to update the poll with their own results (squishy frog), feel free to quote me and put the changes in bold. night yall. __________________

Feb 12th, 2013, 6:12:36 PM	#4533
Wishy Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,325 Canada	I wonder what the new evolution method will be? Eevee has always been a poster-child for alternative evolution methods, such as happiness-based evolution in Gen2 and location-based evolution in Gen4. I'm in the party who think Ninfia might be a female only evolution. It is very girly and whimsical (counter argument: that doesn't stop some Pokemon from being male or vice versa (manly female), and Glaceon could look girly depending how you view it (is the head-piece supposed to look like this or like this?)). They just need to give it some kind of new evolutionary method that only happens with female Eevees. If there is second new eeveelution, then it could be a male specific evolution. Have a female Eevee gift in Y and male Eevee gift in X and there you go, version exclusives as well! Typing wise, it's anyone's guess. Flying? Normal? Bug? Dragon? Celestial? Holy? Good? Pure? Virgin? I'm leaning on Flying or Normal, with a counterpart being Fighting. And if Ninfia is the only new eeveelution, they could still make it gender-specific. Eevee's gender ratio is heavily skewered towards male, so it would make it more 'rare' than the others. Edit: Oh and the male version will be blue and have an actual bowtie as an opposite to Ninfia's ribbons/bows. __________________ ( ﾟヮﾟ) Last edited by Wishy; Feb 12th, 2013 at 6:35:14 PM.

Feb 12th, 2013, 6:19:10 PM	#4535
Skore Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 341 Oz. No, not Australia. Fucking Oz!	Someone will have to enlighten me. When Espeon and Umbreon and then Leafeon and Glaceon were announced - were they announced in pairs? __________________ B/W FC: 2193 9707 7179 I use legal hacks. Still learning, throw whatever you got at me.

Feb 12th, 2013, 6:06:12 PM	#4530
Narutendo3 Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 261	@SmashBrosBrawl You don't need a binary to add a type. Regardless, pure makes a binary with evil and light does with dark. And Ninfia is a gentle mammal. That's like the exact opposite of a dragon. The examples you mentioned aren't nearly as much of a stretch, as none of them are mammals or gentle. And each eeveelution has been designed as the epitome of their type.

Feb 12th, 2013, 6:21:56 PM	#4538
Brutaka Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 23	Well, the first part of the name, "Ninf" means "Nypmh", so I dunno what that means. I'm aiming for Normal or Bug. However, there are two things for certain: 1. It will be monotyped. Why the heck would they break that pattern? 2. I'm gonna say that it will be an existing type as well. Everyone keeps begging for Light type and they havent done it so far. And why would we need it? Still, I like Ninfia. Or what will most certainly be called Ninfeon. I mean, it has a bowtie! And for anyone who watches Doctor Who, you know just as well as I do that bow ties are cool. __________________ <\|Tech Banner Tutorial\|Userbar Tutorial\|deviantART Profile\|>

Feb 12th, 2013, 6:45:27 PM	#4548
Wishy Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,325 Canada	Also to all the people who are advocates for addition of Light type, what exactly would Light type Pokemon represent? What will it be about Light types that set them apart thematically from say Normal or Electric types? I think the representatives of those two typings cover anything that could be considered Light type. It's just opening a big can of worms that don't need to be opened. The 17 types that exist encompass pretty much everything already. There is no point. __________________ ( ﾟヮﾟ)