Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[kupo555]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Im going to expand on it later (Im on my phone right now), but STOP DISCUSSING THE LIGHT TYPE UNTIL THE DAY ITS ANNOUNCED.

It has been four generations since people started this shit, get a grip.

We've kind of moved on from discussing a "Light" type in general, to discussing the possible reasons/effects of implementing any new type, and the general suckiness of Ice pokemon, lol. But I don't see why people shouldn't hope against hope for their light type. Let them have their fun. It's as sensible at this point as speculating anything else.

[shockwave527]

My reason why light type, or at least moves changing to light type, is HIGHLY unlikely:

Prime candidate for change: Solar Beam

In the trailer, these moves were confirmed:
Fennekin using Flamethrower
Froakie using Water Gun/Hydro Pump (I forget which it was)
Chespin using Solar Beam

Each move matches the type of the pokemon.

Thus:
Solar Beam is still grass type
No move change to light

Now can we please move on to some speculation that's a bit more worthwhile, or is light going to go on ANOTHER 20 pages for about the 15th time?

[Narutendo3]

Ugh, this will never end until we know more about this gen. I'm just going to concede for now since there are too many opposing posts right now. All of the points have already been made in this thread. If somebody hasn't heard them out before, they won't now.

I will say though that solarbeam (while light based) is rooted in the ability to perform photosynthesis (or at least turn sun rays into energy in general since non-grass types do learn it). So whether it were to stay grass type or not, I would see it still mainly being a move for grass type pokemon.

[Brutaka]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

My reason why light type, or at least moves changing to light type, is HIGHLY unlikely:

Prime candidate for change: Solar Beam

In the trailer, these moves were confirmed:
Fennekin using Flamethrower
Froakie using Water Gun/Hydro Pump (I forget which it was)
Chespin using Solar Beam

Each move matches the type of the pokemon.

Thus:
Solar Beam is still grass type
No move change to light

Now can we please move on to some speculation that's a bit more worthwhile, or is light going to go on ANOTHER 20 pages for about the 15th time?

As neat of an argument that sounds, it's flawed and our opponents are going to find that.
The flaw?
Even if Light was made a type, Solarbeam could remain Grass, since its based on Photosynthesis.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

The only reason why ''light type'' dicussions began was because the fanbase is divided into people that dont know that dark is evil and people that refuse to believe it. Again the problem isnt so much a new type, the problem is ''light type''.

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat Brutaka

As neat of an argument that sounds, it's flawed and our opponents are going to find that.
The flaw?
Even if Light was made a type, Solarbeam could remain Grass, since its based on Photosynthesis.

Exactly. I'm just saying that, seeing as that is one of the most-closely-related-to-light-attacks-already-existing and it is 99% still grass, even if a light type is added, old moves would be unlikely to become light type.

But I still think this topic has run it's course and we need to move on.


What do you guys think the evil team is going to do? We've had teams based off of:
Common Theives
Environmental Activists
Whateverthefuckcyruswas
PETA
Knights
Guy who wants to rule the world

What else?
Something to do with Chaos?

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

The only reason why ''light type'' dicussions began was because the fanbase is divided into people that dont know that dark is evil and people that refuse to believe it. Again the problem isnt so much a new type, the problem is ''light type''.

We've been through this. The dark type technically being the evil type in japan has no bearing on the possibility of a light type. I'm still conceding for now, but come on. Be reasonable here.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

We've been through this. The dark type technically being the evil type in japan has no bearing on the possibility of a light type.

It has no bearing. But thats why the dicussions began. If dark wasnt translated people wouldnt spend years discussing this.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

It has no bearing. But thats why the dicussions began. If dark wasnt translated people wouldnt spend years discussing this.

It would be just as obvious to give "evil" a counterpart in "pure" or something of the like.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

It would be just as obvious to give evil a counterpart in "pure" or something of the like.

Yes but there wouldnt be dicussions on LIGHT.

[Brutaka]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

What do you guys think the evil team is going to do? We've had teams based off of:
Common Theives
Environmental Activists
Whateverthefuckcyruswas
PETA
Knights
Guy who wants to rule the world

What else?
Something to do with Chaos?

Well, we'd have to wait until we know more about the theme of the game.

At the moment, the fanbase is about split between it being based on DNA (Like the X and Y chromosomes) and it being based on the geometric planes (X/Horizontal and Y/Vertical [Goes with the 3D aspect of the game]).

I personally buy into the geometric planes theory. Especially if theyre pushing the whole 3D aspect of the game. Which makes sense.

However, French Math Nerds arent threatening...so I dunno.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Yes but there wouldnt be dicussions on LIGHT.

I've already given the obvious response to this many pages ago. And that's why this conversation has run its course...

[SmashBrosBrawl]

There could very well be no evil team. As far as i am concerned the game plot could center solely on the legendary mons.

[kupo555]

Originally Posted by Fat Infernis

Wow, for a little bit this thread was gaining pages faster than I could read them. So, let me just point out a few things about this proposed 'light type'. (Which I think is silly, if anyone doubted my opinion.)

1. There is next to no reason for ice to resist light. Wow, high albedo. That's going to help so much. You know what preserves ice even more? Darkness. No, that's not saying that Ice should resist dark. That's saying that any amount of light will help melt ice. In no way is it helpful.

2. Why would Light be super effective against Dragon? Most mythological and fantasy dragonslayings are done with steel, magic, or shenanigans like trapping it underground. Nobody brings a flashlight to a dragon hunt. I've never even heard of dragons hating light.

3. Letting Light harm dragons as ice does would only steal ice's main appeal.

4. Look at some current moves: Solarbeam is grass type. Mirror coat is psychic type. Mirror move is flying type. All of these have their own explanations already. Solarbeam is a collection of solar energy within the creature using it. Mirror coat is a wall of psychic energy. Mirror move... doesn't actually have a description like that, but everything but Blaziken (who is based on a bird anyway) that learns it is flying type.

5. They've had so many opportunities to do light type already. Reshiram represented idealism (or truth, I forget), and wasn't light type. Porygon is CGI, and possibly a hologram, and is normal type. Exploud was all about sound, and they didn't add a sound type. (Though with abilities, they did add Soundproof.) Ampharos powers a lighthouse. It is not light type.

I'm just not sure most of these things really matter all that much in the world of pokemon, though. Again, some type interactions are deeply intuitive, but some of them are just made up for the hell of it--probably for pragmatic reasons. Why is steel immune to poison but rock doesn't get this immunity? Why is steel weak to fighting, for that matter? Or ground? Why does dragon resist anything it resists? Why is it weak to ice? Why is poison weak to bug? Or psychic? Why is dark weak to bug? Trying to justify any of these would be a huge stretch. Pokemon keeps a lot of the obvious type interactions obvious, but they're hardly above doing what is necessary to try to balance things.

And, again, they've proven they're not at all above retyping both pokemon and moves, as well as retconning and changing all sorts of other mechanics and elements of the game. I don't think the existence of solar beam means you can't conjure up new moves dealing with purity/divinity/different kinds of light.

And to reiterate one last time: I don't eve think a new type is happening, let alone "Light" or whatever the hell you want to call it. But some of the arguments against it (both in logic and tone) have given me pause.

[Yveltal]

If you nerds ever post an extra six pages of nonsense again while I'm offline, I'm going to unload a virtual chaingun on the entire thread :-|.
New technique for Yveltal confirmed; Cannon Whip. Only on Smogon.

Now, one interesting thought about Ninfias evolution method is utilizing StreetPass. In The World Ends With You, certain pins evolve and level up only when your DS is connecting to other DS' in the area. Maybe there will be a connect trigger of some sort that unlocks new evolutions. Like evolutionary stones, but with a built-in pedometer/friend list requirement to use. And that's how you connect with your Pokemon like never before :P

[kupo555]

Frankly, I'd welcome no evil team this time. I know it's not going to happen, but that's one tradition that I think has run its course. I'd certainly be for reeling it in a bit, at the very least, like others suggested earlier in this thread. No more Towers of Evil rising up from the earth as I'm about to fight the champion please. (You are not Kefka, Ghetsis). Not here for that crap.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

If you nerds ever post an extra six pages of nonsense again while I'm offline, I'm going to unload a virtual chaingun on the entire thread :-|.
New technique for Yveltal confirmed; Cannon Whip. Only on Smogon.

Now, one interesting thought about Ninfias evolution method is utilizing StreetPass. In The World Ends With You, certain pins evolve and level up only when your DS is connecting to other DS' in the area. Maybe there will be a connect trigger of some sort that unlocks new evolutions. Like evolutionary stones, but with a built-in pedometer/friend list requirement to use. And that's how you connect with your Pokemon like never before :P

No. I dont want street pass to ever be a necessity. Its a bonus mechanic thats hardly used outside of japan.

[Charro]

Light was supossed to be "saint type", so it doesn't represent actual light, like sun light, but "goodness", like Dark isn't dark but Evil type and Psychic is Esper type (which explains why they can use magic, like mirror coat, magic bounce, magic coat, light screen, etc.)
Ice would make no sense resisting a "Light" type, because it's not the kind of light that it can reflect. Ice needs to resist water and grass, maybe poison.

Ice being an offensive type is no excuse for not resisting shit aside from itself, water, fire, fighting are all offensive types as well and they resist at least 3 things.

[MofoAmbulance]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Yes but there wouldnt be dicussions on LIGHT.

WOOSH. If there was a pure/divine/whatever type, just as dark is translated from evil, the likelihood is that it'd be localised to light or something along those lines - Light here is a placeholder for whatever people take it to mean, whether it's in the holy/divine sense or in the lightbulb/sunlight sense. What Narutendo3's arguing for is clearly the holy/divine/righteous sense, in accordance with dark meaning evil/trickery. Dark and light would then be bad translations together and everyone's happy.

Hope I cleared that up for you!

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat MofoAmbulance

WOOSH. If there was a pure/divine/whatever type, just as dark is translated from evil, the likelihood is that it'd be localised to light or something along those lines - Light here is a placeholder for whatever people take it to mean, whether it's in the holy/divine sense or in the lightbulb/sunlight sense. What Narutendo3's arguing for is clearly the holy/divine/righteous sense, in accordance with dark meaning evil/trickery. Dark and light would then be bad translations together and everyone's happy.

Hope I cleared that up for you!

Yeah you did thank you.

[Narutendo3]

It's true, who honestly gives two shits about the evil team when they play through a pokemon game? In most video games, it's all about conquering the "evil team". But GF should realize that that's not the player's focus in pokemon. We care about the pokemon themselves and becoming the best in the region. The "antagonists" should be the rival, gym leaders, champion, and the legendaries to catch. Evil teams shouldn't entirely go necessarily, but they could stand to cut it back... a lot.

People, types mean multiple things. The evil type does have dark pulse and night daze you know.

[Mario With Lasers]

Which part of "no Light type discussion" didnt you understand? If you want to discuss Ice resisting Dragon or a Dinosaur type, fine. Just do not discuss Light type. Its always the same boring and thread-cluttering arguments, over and over again, for generations.

Stop.

[Lord Jesseus]

Originally Posted by Fat Charro

Ice being an offensive type is no excuse for not resisting shit aside from itself, water, fire, fighting are all offensive types as well and they resist at least 3 things.

Fire actually has more resistances than things its super effective against. 0_0

But yeah poor ice. :/

[MofoAmbulance]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Which part of "no Light type discussion" didnt you understand? If you want to discuss Ice resisting Dragon or a Dinosaur type, fine. Just do not discuss Light type. Its always the same boring and thread-cluttering arguments, over and over again, for generations.

Stop.

Should be over now, I was just clearing up a misconception lol

[SmashBrosBrawl]

OFF: Dark Pulse (Japanese: あくのはどう Evil Pulse)
ON: Ice simply needs more resistances. It doesnt really matter much what. It just needs to resist something. Of course a stealth rock nerf would be appreciated.