Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[Vashimus]

They learned their lesson with Feebas too thankfully.

Just recently I finally had enough free time to try and find one in Emerald. Finally found a square, caught like 20 of them looking for a decent nature, planted, picked and blended countless Kelpsey berries, fed it the Pokeblocks, maxed out the beauty, rare candied it and finally got the first Milotic I ever owned. Fuck Feebas.

I find it funny that they still give you the option to max out Beauty to evolve it in case you're stubborn and don't wanna evolve it with the scale.

[Flareon]

Originally Posted by Fat Vashimus

Cantab, what makes you think there would be no Ice/Moss rock, let alone any way to evolve Eevee into Leafeon or Glaceon? If they're introducing a new Eeveelution for a new gen, chances are you can obtain an Eevee in the game, probably from NPC like they always do. So why would they limit what it can evolve into by forcing you to transfer it from 5th gen?

If there aren't location based evolutions, perhaps they'd make trade items, like how Mystery Dungeon handled it:

Coronet Rock evolved Magneton and Nosepass (was there another one?)
Mossy Rock evolved Eevee into Leafeon
Icy Rock evolved Eevee into Glaceon

I don't think they'd introduce a new eeveelution without accommodating the Pre-existing ones.

On Eevee's availability, it might even be available in the wild, like it was in B/W 2 and the Trophy Garden.

[CyberDagger]

Originally Posted by Fat RedGalaxy

Actually a good idea... though the male best not look liek that. We've had Eeveelutions for the stones (introduced 1st gen), time of day/happiness (2nd gen), and location (4th gen)... why not gender. We do have specific genderlutions already, like Mothum and Wormadon, as well as Gardevoir and Gallade. (PLUS: the Eeveelution is pretty feminine in appearance, so it may be possible.)

Bad idea. Eevee is 87.5% male, 12.5% female.

[skitz0phrenic]

Originally Posted by Fat Rayquaza_

They're not just pointless, pre-evos are for all intents and purposes a nerf to any pokemon that is currently allowed in LC.
Imagine if for whatever reason Mienfoo got a pre-evo in Gen 6. Way to go from top tier in LC to completely useless.
If Budew didn't exist we could use Roselia in LC, which would be pretty good because of its relatively high BST.

No, it's not always a nerf. Pokemon without an evolution above them aren't allowed in LC.

Example, Skarmory isn't allowed in LC. It's rumored baby prevo would be.

In fact, the majority of the rumored list of babies aren't allowed in LC because they're singular pokemon with no evos. I know a lot of people aren't in to LC, but stuff like this is huge for the LC community. Absolutely not pointless in the slightest.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat skitz0phrenic

No, it's not always a nerf. Pokemon without an evolution above them aren't allowed in LC.

Example, Skarmory isn't allowed in LC. It's rumored baby prevo would be.

In fact, the majority of the rumored list of babies aren't allowed in LC because they're singular pokemon with no evos. I know a lot of people aren't in to LC, but stuff like this is huge for the LC community. Absolutely not pointless in the slightest.

The point of that just completely blew over your head. Making roserade helps with LC because roselia gets in. Budew is a nerf for the family for LC because roselia is no longer available for it, but rather budew (an utter piece of shit) is. A skarmory prevo would be cool for LC, but an evo would be an even bigger deal because skarmory would then be in. And the skarmory prevo could suck. Regardless, he/she was talking about pokemon already allowed into LC getting a prevo. In other words, something like azurill is always going to be a nerf.
I don't even get half of what you're trying to say. Everyone knows what's allowed in LC. There's no "rumored list". o_O

[Vashimus]

Exactly right.

Though really, even if Skarmory did get an evo, its BST is just way too high for LC standards, no to mention it's utility and everyone would be using one. It's the same reason why Scyther and Sneasel aren't allowed, since their stats were initially designed to be on par with other fully evolved Pokemon when they were first introduced.

Bottom line: you'd be helping LC a lot more by giving Pokemon like Farfetch'd an awesome evolution than making a prevo to an already perfectly fine Pokemon like Heracross.

[Pombo]

Originally Posted by Fat Vashimus

Exactly right.

Though really, even if Skarmory did get an evo, its BST is just way too high for LC standards, no to mention it's utility and everyone would be using one. It's the same reason why Scyther and Sneasel aren't allowed, since their stats were initially designed to be on par with other fully evolved Pokemon when they were first introduced.

Swap Skarmory for Emolga and you are set. He keeps his point.

[Bashfrog]

Originally Posted by Fat Vashimus

They learned their lesson with Feebas too thankfully.

Just recently I finally had enough free time to try and find one in Emerald. Finally found a square, caught like 20 of them looking for a decent nature, planted, picked and blended countless Kelpsey berries, fed it the Pokeblocks, maxed out the beauty, rare candied it and finally got the first Milotic I ever owned. Fuck Feebas.

I find it funny that they still give you the option to max out Beauty to evolve it in case you're stubborn and don't wanna evolve it with the scale.

I'm gonna let you in on a secret. In bw (and bw2 I think) you can find feebas by fishing in shaking spots with a 60% chance on route 1. I'm sure you're dissapointed you just wasted you time using a harder method.
Anyway, skarmory can't get an evo. That just won't do. I wouldn't want a prevo either, since it could end up like munchlax, otherwise known as the one baby evolution that is used in places other than little cup. Correct me if I'm wrong, There aren't too many things that need to get taken out of little cup anyway, so there isn't much of a need.

[Vashimus]

I already know Feebas can be found easily in 5th gen, hence me agreeing with his point that GF learned their lesson. I simply wanted to do it the old fashioned way and succeed for once, just for the hell of it. And it's much easier to find in RSE than in DPPt.

[shockwave527]

A wish I have on evolving some pokemon being to hard:
Add in some sort of trade stone, at least one in the game or post-game or something.
Seriously, I know the emphasis on communication, but I (and many others) don't always have the ability to trade with someone else knowing they'll give it back, or even have a friend with the game at all. I want a simpler way to get those trade-evo-only pokemon to evolve.


Also, do they even state in game how these pokemon evolve? Say, if I were to play Black and White with NO background, would I be able to figure out you need to trade helmet with karrablast and they both evolve? Because if not, they need to make sure people will easily be able to know "oh, I can now evolve this pokemon with this" for those who don't look up every piece of info and play this blind.

[james009222]

Originally Posted by Fat R_N

Stop talking arguing about the manga please
We have a thread for that!

yeah that is right

[Dia]

If sableye gets an evo, gamefreak better give one to mawile too.
What typings would you like for pseudo legends, assuming we don't get a "traditional" (meaning cliche dragon/flying) dragon? I'd like dragon/grass and normal/psychic, the later based on elves (lol dobbymon).I'd also like a dark/ghost, but that would be too OP.

[Vashimus]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the new Pseudo-legend.

We haven't had another Dragon/Flying type since 3rd gen, so maybe GF's trying to mix it up now. Still hoping for Dragon/Fighting over here.

In terms of old Pokemon for the regional dex, I hope Magnemite is still in. He's been in every single region. Even beyond his brokenness in BW2, I've always made room for him on my team since he's just that damn good. Probably THE best Electric type to use in-game. I need that staple team member back.

[cantab]

Yes to Dragon/Grass, I reckon it'd be great thematically even if it's not the best competitively. Of course it could always get Contrary for the ability.

I reckon Electric/Poison would be a cool typing too, 7 resistances albeit some for uncommon attacking types and just 2 weaknesses. Not sure how it would work thematically though.

[Baldafor]

Originally Posted by Fat cantab

Yes to Dragon/Grass, I reckon it'd be great thematically even if it's not the best competitively. Of course it could always get Contrary for the ability.

I reckon Electric/Poison would be a cool typing too, 7 resistances albeit some for uncommon attacking types and just 2 weaknesses. Not sure how it would work thematically though.

Downed power lines tend to move around when they are still live, and make noises too. Snake Pokemon are usually Poison.

[Lord Jesseus]

Originally Posted by Fat cantab

Yes to Dragon/Grass, I reckon it'd be great thematically even if it's not the best competitively. Of course it could always get Contrary for the ability.

That sounds absolutely terrifying. 0_0

Some more variety in dragons would be nice though. I'd like to see some more non-psuedo/legendary Dragons, as well as more non-Dragon Psuedo/Legendaries.

So basically what I'm saying is more Kingdra less Palkia. :P

Seriously though, 4th and 5th gen had way too many dragon legendaries.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

A wish I have on evolving some pokemon being to hard:
Add in some sort of trade stone, at least one in the game or post-game or something.
Seriously, I know the emphasis on communication, but I (and many others) don't always have the ability to trade with someone else knowing they'll give it back, or even have a friend with the game at all. I want a simpler way to get those trade-evo-only pokemon to evolve.


Also, do they even state how these pokemon evolve? Say, if I were to play Black and White with NO background, would I be able to figure out you need to trade helmet with karrablast and they both evolve? Because if not, they need to make sure people will easily be able to know "oh, I can now evolve this pokemon with this" for those who don't look up every piece of info and play this blind.

!!!!THIS. Thats the point i was complaining earlier. The games dont tell you anything about evos, including how do you evolve them, they also dont tell you about stats, evs, ivs, nature etc. All copies of Pokemon XY should come with a tutorial guide to help new players and the like. Its just dumb that you need to look on fansites to know how to freaking play the game.

[Yveltal]

I'd like to ponder over this speculated Dark/Electric pseudo legendary, since it allows one to consider the type matchup as though it will be OU.
Since those two attributes weaknesses don't nullify or catalyze each other, that type matchup would have all the benefits and drawbacks of both types, with one immunity and three weaknesses. I get the feeling that something like that would be a special attacker with high Def and moderate SpD.

[Dia]

Originally Posted by Fat cantab

Yes to Dragon/Grass, I reckon it'd be great thematically even if it's not the best competitively. Of course it could always get Contrary for the ability.

I reckon Electric/Poison would be a cool typing too, 7 resistances albeit some for uncommon attacking types and just 2 weaknesses. Not sure how it would work thematically though.

Ghost/Electric pseudo for the win. Make it a carbon copy of Shaymin S.
Edit: Dark and Electric are great for neutral coverage. I hope it's special based, but knowing it's trollfreak...

[cantab]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

!!!!THIS. Thats the point i was complaining earlier. The games dont tell you anything about evos, including how do you evolve them, they also dont tell you about stats, evs, ivs, nature etc. All copies of Pokemon XY should come with a tutorial guide to help new players and the like. Its just dumb that you need to look on fansites to know how to freaking play the game.

I've long suspected game developers in general of deliberately putting in obscure stuff you'd never figure out to try and sell game guides.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat cantab

I've long suspected game developers in general of deliberately putting in obscure stuff you'd never figure out to try and sell game guides.

That would make sense if the pokemon official guides explained everything to you. Which they dont iirc.

[cantab]

They don't cover nitty-gritty like IVs and EVs, but I assume they'd at least cover obscure evolution methods and capture locations for hard-to-find Pokemon.

[Zowayix]

I know for a fact that Platinum's guide mentioned EV training briefly, although not by name. It said something like "You can raise a particular stat more than the others by defeating certain Pokemon." It then listed one Pokemon for each stat, mostly from the early routes. If I recall correctly, it listed Bidoof for HP, Shinx for Attack, Kricketot for Defense, Budew for SpAtk, Burmy (?) for SpDef, and Starly for Speed.

At the very least, the more recent guides are MUCH more expansive than the earlier ones. It would certainly be funny if this time around, we actually had to rely on info from a guide to figure out some obscure secret.

[Count Serperior]

Speaking of Dragon/Grass...

Yo Gamefreak, I’m really happy for you. Imma Let you finish, but Intelligent Systems has the best Dragon/Grass of all time. OF ALL TIME.

Spoilers for the Manakete dragon form in Fire Emblem Awakening:
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/File:Manakete.jpg

I know I'm biased but Contrary Leafstorm/Draco Meteor Grass/Dragon Serperior was a missed opportunity.
(also add Close Combat and V-Create to his movepool, Gamefreak. Do it.)

[R_N]

Originally Posted by Fat Count Serperior

Speaking of Dragon/Grass...

Yo Gamefreak, I’m really happy for you. Imma Let you finish, but Intelligent Systems has the best Dragon/Grass of all time. OF ALL TIME.

Spoilers for the Manakete dragon form in Fire Emblem Awakening:
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/File:Manakete.jpg

I know I'm biased but Contrary Leafstorm/Draco Meteor Grass/Dragon Serperior was a missed opportunity.
(also add Close Combat and V-Create to his movepool, Gamefreak. Do it.)

Already brought that up!

The rumor specifying a yellow, classic, clover dragon in particular rang some bells