Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat Dark Fallen Angel

Do you even thougth of the fact that anyone can say that is a GF employee and say whathever they want? On an anonymous board like 4chan, this is very easy to do. Also, I've seen all informations that these alleged GF employees post, and they often contradict each other.

So, no. It is not obviously right. It is not obviously wrong either, but it is very likely to be wrong.

Did you read the rest of his post?

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[The Diverman]

Well since I think the leaks are total bs, this is what I'm thinking Corocoro will reveal: A new type! *avoids tomatoes* Just here me out. If they were going to introduce a new type, they would probably do it now since they have 3 pokemon who's types are a mystery. So yes, I'm saying that Sylveon, Xerneas, and Yveltal all could be the same type with the latter being dual types of course. I mean Xerneas and Yveltal have been out for almost 2 months now with nothing said about their types and than we get a eeveeultion with it's type hidden? It would make sense to reveal all 3 of their types now if all 3 are new types, that's what I think at least.

*Waits for the groans*

[skitz0phrenic]

My only legitimate gripe with adding a new type is that they would have to retool some old typing as well to bring any sort of realistic ratio to the pokedex with the new typing.

They could get away with it in Gen 2 when there wasn't a pool of 600+ Pokemon to be added to. With Gen 6 adding ~100ish new Pokemon, how many of those would realistically be the new type? 15-20 at best? So now you've got a brand new type as a main selling point for a new generation in a really old franchise, and we're looking at maybe 2-2.5% of the entire Pokedex having this new type.

Frankly I don't see them going back through the Pokedex and changing types to adapt and spread a new type more throughout the Pokedex. The logistics of the new typing concept just don't make sense to me at this point in Pokemons life.

[The Diverman]

Note: I didn't want to start another new type discussion, I was actually wanting to start "What will be revealed in Corocoro?" discussion.

All I'm going to say to your response is that I don't see a problem with retyping old Pokemon and even then, I don't see why keeping a realistic ratio is a problem. Just look at how many Ghost Pokemon we have compared to Water Pokemon, I can see them adding just a few and it would be perfectly fine.

[skitz0phrenic]

I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.

As for corocoro, I'm expecting Sylveons type to be revealed at the very least. Maybe a couple other new pokes and/or a first look at a new mechanic of some sort if we're lucky. I don't expect much though tbh. They've still got a lot of time left to trickle tiny bits of info to keep everyone on the hook.

[PME]

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Originally Posted by Fat Dark Fallen Angel

Do you even thougth of the fact that anyone can say that is a GF employee and say whathever they want? On an anonymous board like 4chan, this is very easy to do. Also, I've seen all informations that these alleged GF employees post, and they often contradict each other.

So, no. It is not obviously right. It is not obviously wrong either, but it is very likely to be wrong.

Apparently my sarcasm needs work -_-

EDIT: Ninja'd

[Zowayix]

Am I the only one expecting a somewhat lame reveal? Something the obligatory early game bird, rodent, and/or bug, and nothing else.

They still need to spread the information out over 7 more issues.

[Narutendo3]

Originally Posted by Fat skitz0phrenic

My only legitimate gripe with adding a new type is that they would have to retool some old typing as well to bring any sort of realistic ratio to the pokedex with the new typing.

They could get away with it in Gen 2 when there wasn't a pool of 600+ Pokemon to be added to. With Gen 6 adding ~100ish new Pokemon, how many of those would realistically be the new type? 15-20 at best? So now you've got a brand new type as a main selling point for a new generation in a really old franchise, and we're looking at maybe 2-2.5% of the entire Pokedex having this new type.

Frankly I don't see them going back through the Pokedex and changing types to adapt and spread a new type more throughout the Pokedex. The logistics of the new typing concept just don't make sense to me at this point in Pokemons life.

Gen 2: 6/251 Pokemon were Dark type (2.4%), 1/6 Dark types was related to an old Pokemon, 6/251 Pokemon were Steel type (2.4%), 2/6 Steel types were retyped old Pokemon, 2/6 Steel types were related to old Pokemon.

Funny how that is...

[Bashfrog]

They've already shown the starters and main legendaries as well as the (supposed) mascot, but they haven't shown the exclusives and the gimmicks. So I'm assuming we'll get at least ninfia/sylveon's type, and likely some more screenshots, as well as perhaps a new mechanic or a bit of the storyline. Maybe some art showing some new item the characters are using. Unless that's held until later on. I'm new to this.

[skitz0phrenic]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Gen 2: 6/251 Pokemon were Dark type (2.4%), 1/6 Dark types was related to an old Pokemon, 6/251 Pokemon were Steel type (2.4%), 2/6 Steel types were retyped old Pokemon, 2/6 Steel types were related to old Pokemon.

Funny how that is...

It was pretty obvious back then given the success of the franchise at the timethat they would have time to keep growing these young ideas riding off the initial success of gen 1 and the hype of main sequels. Especially given how much we know about pokemon designs for future gens being done generations before they were even released.

Personally I don't feel like the franchise has another 3-4 gens of success left in it.

[R_N]

Originally Posted by Fat Cobraroll

If the list turns out to be fake, I kind of hope the creator will step forward, because as stated, it's a very well crafted "leak".

I'm no experienced Fakédex-er, but it appears he's been working on the material for a while. It seems like the list of Pokémon, Gym Leaders, etc, was created well beforehand. That really isn't the hard part, there are many people who have made something similar.
However, the way it was presented is rather well done. Instead of going all-out with everything, and have it written off as another wishlist, he first presented it as if he had very limited access to the stuff, recited from memory or brief info sheets. Quick descriptions from artwork, small overview of game features, some interface, etc. He refers to specific points in the trailer, having explanations for minute details, and so on. He has all the designs ready, all names and so on. However, to avoid inconsistencies, he pretends not to know much, instead portioning out his stuff little by little. This way, nothing he says goes against anyhting he will say later.
Later on, he appears to correct a misconception from his earlier post (the part of the trainers being non-customisable), as well as presenting a little more of his stuff. Still no names and no definites on the Pokémon side, but he's suspiciously specific when it comes to Gym Leaders, Elite Four, and place names.

The third update, he appears to have gutsed. Many people have pretended to work for GameFreak, posting tidbits of information that don't line up with each other. Eventually, people write off every new "leak" as just wishful thinking camouflaged as official leaks to generate discussion. Mr. XY could either keep feeding us more and more information until GameFreak decidedly blows his cover (by disproving stuff he said), creating a long-wided but low-intensity discussion, or go all out with his entire Pokémon list, using the momentum of his two other "leaks" to spur a super-intense discussion with a LOT higher risk of being disproven. Once GameFreak releases a single name that isn't in accordance with the list, the game would be over. However, until that happens, the discussion goes back and forth, generating more attention than all the other alleged "leaks" combined. It's a near-perfect trolling, its consistency and quality managing to even sway some sceptics. The names sound very much like something GameFreak would do. The types and designs are in accordance. Some names are very clever, seeming random at first but making sense if you know what they are referring to. New type combos are abundant, and many of them figure high on the "want list" of enthusiasts and competitive players. Old fan-favourite Pokémon receive evolutions. The list has lots of stuff the players want to see, lots of stuff we would expect to see from GameFreak, but it doesn't overdo it completely.

If this is fake, it has accomplished its objective. Every Pokémon fan site has a thread or two discussing it. Many fans have swallowed the bait completely. Many are sceptical (myself included), but even they agree this is very well crafted. Any news from GameFreak refusing what we've been presented could blow the list completely. On the other hand, any news from GameFreak not refusing it would just cause the debate to stir even higher.

If it's legit, however, Mr. XY should either be looking for a new job soon, or he has done his job well and generated a fantastic amount of PR. Whether or not his bosses wanted this to happen is uncertain, but either way it has got the fans pumped for the game.

You are really pumping out the praise for something that really isn't that amazing of a leak. Many people have concocted lists like this, as you say, but even the presentation of it is tired.
"Oh here's some stuff from memory!" *"vague" descriptions and types that literally every leak does ever.* (Seriously so many of these have the same tone to them I have to think its intentional)
"Oh hey my correspondent has more stuff ;D" *full list of his ideas*

Cactowl dude, several sets of rumors from the BW1 days, the various rumors from just before the XY reveal (DIGITAL TYPE. POKEMON RAINBOW. ETC). And so on. All these rumors had varying level of detail & extensiveness to them, like this one does and the fandom will talk about them because they're starved for information; that's less his doing and more the natural course of things.

[Cobraroll]

Personally I don't feel like the franchise has another 3-4 gens of success left in it.

I think at some point (which me may already have passed) it will become so repetitive that the original fans of the series begin to lose interest entirely, opting to quit when they still have fun and unspoilt memories of the franchise.

However, while that indeed happens, every generation serves to drag in new fans to the series. Those fans will stick around for a generation or two, before they eventually outgrow it. But by the time they quit, new ones come to take their place, and so on.

Consider the great American comic book heritage, for instance. The characters are 70+ years old, yet still attract new fans. Those who read the originals might think the direction the franchise has taken and the choices done by the executives have completely screwed the entire spirit of the series, while younger readers are unable to identify with the original series their grandparents loved. Either way, the franchise survives and is popular. Pokémon may still have decades ahead of it before discontinuation - even though that might mean a gritty reboot now and then.

[Dilasc]

Gotta agree with R_N, this Fakedex is nothing cool. I've made fakemon with Fakedexes... hell... I'll sound insane, but I've made 4, and cm currently on my fifth. I could post one like it were some sort of new leak if I wanted to be a douche... but I don't.

I mean, I have all sorts of fun things like a Muay Thai dragon, a Thick Fat Ground/Flying Pig... with wings (when Pigs fly) and I can guaruntee I've found a way to make every unused type combination into a feasible creature of some sort... and that was based on Gen 4 stats.


Still, I won't try and claim that they're a leak... that's my point. This whole leak getting a lot of attention is cramping the flow... or some jive like that.

[cantab]

Originally Posted by Fat Narutendo3

Gen 2: 6/251 Pokemon were Dark type (2.4%), 1/6 Dark types was related to an old Pokemon, 6/251 Pokemon were Steel type (2.4%), 2/6 Steel types were retyped old Pokemon, 2/6 Steel types were related to old Pokemon.

Funny how that is...

Not to mention Gold and Silver had only one Dark type available before the Elite Four.

And of course the ratios could be rebalanced in later gens. Ruby and Sapphire quadrupled the number of fully-evolved dragon-types, and that was a type present from day one.

[skitz0phrenic]

Originally Posted by Fat Cobraroll

I think at some point (which me may already have passed) it will become so repetitive that the original fans of the series begin to lose interest entirely, opting to quit when they still have fun and unspoilt memories of the franchise.

However, while that indeed happens, every generation serves to drag in new fans to the series. Those fans will stick around for a generation or two, before they eventually outgrow it. But by the time they quit, new ones come to take their place, and so on.

Consider the great American comic book heritage, for instance. The characters are 70+ years old, yet still attract new fans. Those who read the originals might think the direction the franchise has taken and the choices done by the executives have completely screwed the entire spirit of the series, while younger readers are unable to identify with the original series their grandparents loved. Either way, the franchise survives and is popular. Pokémon may still have decades ahead of it before discontinuation - even though that might mean a gritty reboot now and then.

I get the coming and going of new and old players. I'm an original player that started playing when I got Blue for christmas when I was in like 6th grade and I still play today, and I still think the games have been great all the way through. Overall though, sales wise, the series isn't climbing anymore. It's kind of peaked and it's just riding it out. The numbers aren't bad by any means but generally in situations like this in gaming you don't get another large spurt of growth. I don't think the game is ever going to be larger than it's been before, and eventually it's just going to fade out. It's inevitable of practically any game franchise or long standing 'thing' in general.

[Magcargo 2]

If that info the 4chan guy gave us is true, then the pre-evos of pinsir and heracross should be revealed march 15 on croconno.

[Flaming Piranha]

Originally Posted by Fat Magcargo 2

If that info the 4chan guy gave us is true, then the pre-evos of pinsir and heracross should be revealed march 15 on croconno.

If they aren't, then his whole theory will just come tumbling down.

[Rayquaza_]

Originally Posted by Fat skitz0phrenic

Personally I don't feel like the franchise has another 3-4 gens of success left in it.

There's a reason Pokemon is aimed to pre-teens for the most part.
There is always new blood flowing in so this franchise is 100% self-sustaining regardless of how many ex-fans walk away from it.
Pokemon will essentially become the Japanese equivalent of Disney as long as they have no competition.

[skitz0phrenic]

Originally Posted by Fat Rayquaza_

There's a reason Pokemon is aimed to pre-teens for the most part.
There is always new blood flowing in so this franchise is 100% self-sustaining regardless of how many ex-fans walk away from it.
Pokemon will essentially become the Japanese equivalent of Disney as long as they have no competition.

Disney has had completely different generations of popular franchises over the years as well. The stuff making Disney money right now didn't even exist when I was a kid. I get your point but Disney wasn't necessarily the greatest analogy.

[R_N]

Originally Posted by Fat Flaming Piranha

If they aren't, then his whole theory will just come tumbling down.

I bet there are going to be so many fake scans based on this
Are you excited
I'm excited

[Magistrum]

As much as I'd like to believe what Mr. XY has posted, I just can't. 'Houndoomed' is just WTF he could've at least made an effort to make it Houndread or Houndeath or something. And LOL over cocojoe. No, that list is not happening.

[Infernis]

Originally Posted by Fat skitz0phrenic

I get the coming and going of new and old players. I'm an original player that started playing when I got Blue for christmas when I was in like 6th grade and I still play today, and I still think the games have been great all the way through. Overall though, sales wise, the series isn't climbing anymore. It's kind of peaked and it's just riding it out. The numbers aren't bad by any means but generally in situations like this in gaming you don't get another large spurt of growth. I don't think the game is ever going to be larger than it's been before, and eventually it's just going to fade out. It's inevitable of practically any game franchise or long standing 'thing' in general.

Frankly, I'd be pumped as hell to play a new Pokemon version with my children in 3-4 generations' time, assuming that they each take 3-4 years to make. (When I've had children and they're old enough to figure stuff out.) Using my rad old Scizor and Quagsire is possibly co-operative games, maybe. So there's possibly that bump. And you never know, augmented reality or holograms bringing it 'to life' could prove even more wildly popular. Expanded multiplayer could be incredible.

It's strange to say 'situations like this in gaming'. There never has been a situation like this in gaming. When's the last time there was a 17-year-old franchise that has consistently put out the most popular games on its primary console, has a very popular anime, thirty-something manga series, merchandise out the wazoo... and fans clamoring for remakes of older games so that they can play them again. Sure isn't Medal of Honor, by any measure.

[alexwolf]

Omg Scizor with physical Hidden Power would be so fun and so broken! Imagine Scizor with any type of physical move it wants with 90 BP (60 BP + 30 BP from Technician). Good look countering this fucker Skarmory and Jellicent, as CB HP Electric easily 2HKOes both of you without SR, while any Gyarados variant and Tentacruel are OHKOed after SR as well...

[Yveltal]

Has anybody spoken about this?


Kaenchu was stated to be able to use techniques similar to a hydrogen bomb's explosive power when the japanese were fussing over its legitimacy.

Before wondering whether or not Game Freak would ever do anything more for Pikachu that doesn't concern a new item or egg move, does Pikachu deserve a branched evolution?

[GatoDelFuego]

Well, electric-fire pikachu looks pretty cool, and some of the fan art is sweet, but I can't get over that thing's stoned look.

At any rate, a branch evolution for pikachu is definitely something I'd want to see. It could have the chance to make pikachu actually usable, perhaps physical instead of special, similar to gallade. Iirc gallade/gardevoir is the only family to have 4 different pokemon in the same "line".