Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[Blazi]

Originally Posted by Fat zyrefredric

On another note:
Seriously, this Pokemon needs some loving, and this it how ot can be done:

• First, a there is just a dire need for a Sandy form, so that all weathers are represented for.
• Second, some people are saying that Castform needs an evolution to be successful, but I disagree. I think it should remain unevolved so it wouldn't lose its charm. However, something can still be done to make it competitively viable. You know Darmanitan? When it changes to Darmanitan-Z because of Zen Mode, not only does its base stat distribution change, but it even gains 60 points in BST. Castform can do the same. Castform has 70HP/70Atk/70Def/70SpA/70SpD/70Spe. Make it have stats of 70HP/50Atk/50Def/120SpA/50SpD/120Spe upon transformation and we are good to go!

"Sandy" weather isn't weather at all. Sandstorms exist because of the (very strong) wind, but the sand itself has nothing to do with the weather. Gamefreak will only make a new form if they implement a new kind of weather (Defog / something with wind perhaps?).

I do agree with your second point though, Castform is definitely unique, but could use a boost.

[Chaoswalker]

Bug/Dark
Bug/Dragon
Bug/Ice
Bug/Normal
Bug/Psychic
Bug/Water(surskit isn't around for very long)
Dark/Electric
Dark/Normal
Dark/Psychic
Dragon/Fighting
Dragon/Grass
Dragon/Normal
Dragon/Poison
Dragon/Psychic
Dragon/Rock
Electric/Fighting
Electric/Normal
Electric/Poison
Electric/Psychic
Electric/Rock
Fighting/Flying
Fighting/Ghost
Fighting/Ground
Fighting/Ice
Fire/Grass
Fire/Ice
Fire/Normal
Fire/Poison
Fire/Water
Ghost/Grass
Ghost/Normal
Ghost/Psychic
Ghost/Rock
Grass/Ice
Ground/Normal
Ice/Normal
Ice/Poison
Ice/Rock
Ice/Steel
Normal/Poison
Normal/Rock
Normal/Steel
Normal/Water
Poison/Psychic
Poison/Rock
Poison/Steel
So 45 unused types huh? Here's hoping we get at least 10 of these knocked out this gen.

[Deglas]

Originally Posted by Fat GRs Cousin

There are no specially-inclined Rock-types in existence (unless you count CAP's Stratagem)

Omastar is sad you forgot about him.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat Chaoswalker

Bug/Dark Cool
Bug/Dragon Very probable
Bug/Ice Very probable
Bug/Normal Meh
Bug/Psychic This is one is pretty much a given after Volcarona
Bug/Water(surskit isn't around for very long)
Dark/Electric So Cool
Dark/Normal Meh
Dark/Psychic Maybe
Dragon/Fighting Too OP to exist
Dragon/Grass VERY likely
Dragon/Normal Meh
Dragon/Poison Cool
Dragon/Psychic Latios and Latias dude
Dragon/Rock Doubt it
Electric/Fighting Cool
Electric/Normal Meh
Electric/Poison Meh
Electric/Psychic Meh
Electric/Rock Meh
Fighting/Flying Too OP to exist
Fighting/Ghost Too OP to exist
Fighting/Ground Meh
Fighting/Ice Meh
Fire/Grass Awful typing, very likely
Fire/Ice Awful typing, very likely
Fire/Normal Meh
Fire/Poison Can see this one happening
Fire/Water Probably one of the event legends
Ghost/Grass Cool
Ghost/Normal Too OP to exist and Meh
Ghost/Psychic Meh
Ghost/Rock Meh
Grass/Ice Snover and Abomasnow
Ground/Normal Meh
Ice/Normal Meh
Ice/Poison Very Likely
Ice/Rock Meh
Ice/Steel Very likely, awful typing
Normal/Poison Meh
Normal/Rock Meh
Normal/Steel Meh
Normal/Water Bibarel
Poison/Psychic Very likely
Poison/Rock Meh
Poison/Steel VERY likely
So 45 unused types huh? Here's hoping we get at least 10 of these knocked out this gen.

My thoughs on this, but i doubt they will introduce all of the remaining types or even most of them. It seems very likely that the starters could have new typings though. And the Legends are so weird that they might too.

[Chaoswalker]

Ah, I knew I'd screw up somewhere. Yeah, the lati's and Abomasnow line mean there are 43 unused types.

Though I'm warming up to the idea of saint(light) type... it would mean extending this list, lol.

[Infernis]

Surskit technically takes that down to 42. Why did Masquerain have to be another bug-flying Pokemon, Gamefreak? Surskit was such a radass.

[Yveltal]

Originally Posted by Fat Christopher

If the Norse based legendaries theory is correct then I think we can assume Legendary Z will be dragon/grass, since it's supposed to be based off of a serpent dragon that lives under the giant tree and gnaws at it's roots. But I guess Gamefreak doesn't have to stick with the legend entirely. If this theory is wrong I would love to see a grass/dragon based on the komodo dragon that everyone was talking about. I found this fakemon a few days ago but I think it fits the bill.

The artist has it as a pure grass type but I think Grass/Dragon suits it better. It's based off of the komodo dragon (obviously) and dragon fruit. The artist has this as a last evolution but I don't know I could see it as a middle stage. So personally, I would be happy with this or a super tropius that kills everything.

More votes for SuperTropius! At this point, I kind of want to make that one up with the CAP community, as I've already got some ideas for what an evolved banana-mon would look like.
But a grass-dragon komodomon would satisfy more people...

Originally Posted by Fat Christopher

If the games are based on DNA and chromosomes then I would love to see a form of girafarig where the black part of the body is in control. Or maybe just an evolution would do. Maybe gamefreak can add a tie some knots to existing pokemon that already exist like luvdisc to alomomola or marowak/cubone to kangaskahn.

Nope. This part isn't happening. there's a reason that zebras don't mature into stallions; they're part of the same family or order, but that doesn't mean they share a strong evolutionary bond. Luvdisc and Alomomola are based on two very different fish, and cubone being the lost KangasChan will always be wishful thinking

[Flaming Piranha]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

Great pokemon idea:
Trubbish or Garbodor evolution with metal coat, evolves it into a poison/steel trash can pokemon. High Def and Sp. Atk.

Haha, that's an amazing idea. Maybe with a higher special attack, it can hit harder with its more viable special movepool, including Giga Drain, Focus Blast, Thunderbolt, Psychic and Hidden Power.

[Dark Fallen Angel]

Where on the world Ice/Steel is an awful typing? It would very likely be the best check to Dragon-types, if it had good speed and defenses to tank boosted Outrages or/and Draco Meteors, where the resistance would help very much. The 4x weakness to Fire and Fighting sucks, but hey, it would still be one of the few viable Ice-types. Having more resistances than weakness, unlike other Ice-types. Notably, a 4x resistance to Ice, and resistance to Dragon, as well as, oh my god, neutrality to Rock, something that other Ice-types would kill their mother to have.

[Preved Medved]

Ice/Fighting meh?What the fuck are you smoking?

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Wow wow. Ice/Steel having x4 weakness to fighting and fire just instantly means its definitely not the best dragon check nor is it potentially viable in ou. Weak to ground is bad too. The only thing good about it is resist dragon and being neutral to rock. But cant a Ice Punch Metagross acomplishe the same thing?

[Dark Fallen Angel]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Wow wow. Ice/Steel having x4 weakness to fighting and fire just instantly means its definitely not the best dragon check nor is it potentially viable in ou. Weak to ground is bad too. The only thing good about it is resist dragon and being neutral to rock. But cant a Ice Punch Metagross acomplishe the same thing?

Metagross does not have STAB on Ice attacks, and receiving STAB on Ice + being Steel-type would make an OU viable Pokémon if it just had good movepool and stats. There are many Steel-types with 4x weakness to Fire, that this wouldn't matter that much on affecting its status s best check to Dragons, as there are many Steel-types that are considered checks to Dragons, yet they have crippling weakness to Fire and/or Fighting, e.g. Ferrothorn. The Ice typing would just mean being capable of disposing of them quickly.

Remember that rain can also somewhat alleviate this weakness to Fire.

[Jean mi]

"Ice/Fighting meh?What the fuck are you smoking?"

My thoughts exactly, that would make an ice type viable other than Mamoswine.

"Fire/Grass Awful typing, very likely"

Awful typing really ? Neutral to water and ice and resist electric so it would be a great check to water and electric types. Neutral to bug and ground which is nice. The only bad thing is the weakness to rock but it's not enough for an "awful typing".
Grass and fire may be bad types defensively but the combination of the 2 doesn't seem bad at all.
There is a grass/fire type in CAP, it's Pyroak, it doesn't seem bad at all.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat Dark Fallen Angel

Metagross does not have STAB on Ice attacks, and receiving STAB on Ice + being Steel-type would make an OU viable Pokémon if it just had good movepool and stats. There are many Steel-types with 4x weakness to Fire, that this wouldn't matter that much on affecting its status s best check to Dragons, as there are many Steel-types that are considered checks to Dragons, yet they have crippling weakness to Fire and/or Fighting, e.g. Ferrothorn. The Ice typing would just mean being capable of disposing of them quickly.

I dont think having ice typing is a good thing. Having Ice attacks is a good thing though. You can say STAB ice all you want but ill say that Dragonite can survive any ice attack not called blizzard and the most common attack used against the other dragons to check them is ice shard which is always a 2hko regardless of stab. Having 2 4X weakness is too much for a pokemon so it would probably needs a insane movepool and high stats to be viable.

Jean mi: When i say meh i mean i think a pokemon with this typing will have a boring design. And Fire/Grass seems awful since fire removes grass resistance to water and ground and gives it a rock weakness.

[Mekkah**]

Originally Posted by Fat Mekkah

I am going to make the following edgy predictions:
the Water starter is Water-type
the Grass starter is Grass-type
the Fire starter is Fire-type

Reasoning: it has been like this for five generations with only one exception (Bulbasaur, and that was back when Poison was almost like an obligatory secondary type for Grass- and Bug types).

Their evolutions might be different, of course...

http://pokebeach.com/2013/01/chespin...types-revealed

Upvotes to the left.

[IcyMan28]

I'd love to see an Ice/Fighting Snow Lemur or Baboon as part of a 2-stage line that begins with a baby chimp. Not only would it be good in OU, but it would also be pretty cool flavor wise.

[labarith]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

My thoughs on this, but i doubt they will introduce all of the remaining types or even most of them. It seems very likely that the starters could have new typings though. And the Legends are so weird that they might too.

Bug/Dragon is "Very Probable" on your view? Really? For *&^&*&(*'s sake.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat labarith

Bug/Dragon is "Very Probable" on your view? Really? For *&^&*&(*'s sake.

Fine *Likely*. Screw this grammar though =P.

[labarith]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Fine *Likely*. Screw this grammar though =P.

It's actually unlikely.

Types are, roughly, of 3 kinds:
1. Species - Dragon, Bug, Grass (kinda)
2. Element - steel, fire, water, flying, etc.
3. Power/alignment/etc (could fit in element, but feels off) - psychic, dark, fighting

I actually see grass as kind of an "element" more than species (since it's actually "any plantlife" and thus as whole category of species itself), thus explaining why both bug/grass exists and why dragon/grass would be plausible (just think a dragon covered with moss).

Having a bug/dragon would be like having a lizard/goat. It's not going to happen unless they're really interested in filling out type combinations, and even then it's probably one of the last ones they'd desire to do thematically.

[Jean mi]

"And Fire/Grass seems awful since fire removes grass resistance to water and ground and gives it a rock weakness."

If it has good defenses, it can take neutral hits. Ferrothorn would take hits better I know but grass/fire would also be a good dual STAB coverage, something that Ferrothorn doesn't have. I can see a good tank set with this typing. It could also be a great sun abuser.

[IcyMan28]

Honestly, I'd love for Flygon to be Bug/Dragon and simply gain a default immunity to ground attacks and Sandstream.

[Dark Fallen Angel]

Originally Posted by Fat Jean mi

"Ice/Fighting meh?What the fuck are you smoking?"

My thoughts exactly, that would make an ice type viable other than Mamoswine.

"Fire/Grass Awful typing, very likely"

Awful typing really ? Neutral to water and ice and resist electric so it would be a great check to water and electric types. Neutral to bug and ground which is nice. The only bad thing is the weakness to rock but it's not enough for an "awful typing".
Grass and fire may be bad types defensively but the combination of the 2 doesn't seem bad at all.
There is a grass/fire type in CAP, it's Pyroak, it doesn't seem bad at all.

Grass is not a bad type defensively. Fire is, but the combination of the two is amazing. This typing would be, however, perfect for a Chlorophyll sweeper. STAB on Fire attacks would make him destructive, not to mention freeing up a slot, on a sun team. Normally, you would have to use two moveslots: one for a Fire-type Pokémon (other than Ninetales), and the another for a Chlorophyll sweeper. A Fire-type Chlorophyll sweeper solves this problem, and can open a moveslot for something that offers defensive synergy, like Dragon-types.

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Jean mi: When i say meh i mean i think a pokemon with this typing will have a boring design. And Fire/Grass seems awful since fire removes grass resistance to water and ground and gives it a rock weakness.

This is speaking from the Grass-type point of view. From the Fire-type point of view, it removes the Water- and Ground-type weakness, in exchange for the resistance to Ice-, Fire-, and Bug-type attacks, which is a fair price to pay. It's good news to him. Being weak to Rock attacks is unfortunate, but this and Flying-type attacks would be its only relevant weakness, and even then, you don't see much Flying-type attacks apart from Hurricane, which has lower accuracy on the sun. It would be one of the only two Fire-types that don't fear Water-types (alongside Rotom-H), instead being capable of taking them down itself.

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

I dont think having ice typing is a good thing. Having Ice attacks is a good thing though. You can say STAB ice all you want but ill say that Dragonite can survive any ice attack not called blizzard and the most common attack used against the other dragons to check them is ice shard which is always a 2hko regardless of stab. Having 2 4X weakness is too much for a pokemon so it would probably needs a insane movepool and high stats to be viable.

STAB on Ice-type attacks helps here, increasing the chances to occur an OHKO. For example, your Pokémon only need an SpA about as high as that of Rotom-F to OHKO with Ice Beam, assuming that your Pokémon have STAB on it, and a Life Orb. If you have an SpA about as high has that of Glaceon, you have huge chance to OHKO without a boosting item. This is all assuming that Multiscale has not been broken. So, an Ice/Steel with about 100 to 130 SpA, a decent speed, and defenses to switch on a boosted Outrage/Draco Meteor, would be viable on OU.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

All of that assumes good stats in the right places. But enough i got your point. Anyway i dont see why Dragon/Bug wouldnt be likely considering Flygon is pretty much it in disguise. Maybe GF learned from its mistakes of giving pokemons nonsense typing.

[BigZac]

After thinking about it, i really want a Dragon/Fighting pokemon now.

Regardless of how broken it could potentially be.

[Champion Steve]

The thing is, pretty much every Dragon has a Fire, Ground or Fighting move for getting past Steels and Ice/Steel is weak to all of these. It's *double weak* to two of them. Whenever it switches in, you'd be taking a massive gamble.
On another note, I agree that Grass/Fire would be an excellent Chlorosweeper (pretty please, GameFreak?) Though it could possibly be banned depending on just how much it had going for it. And Ice/Fighting would be great. Because then we could have 4 OU Ice-types. 4!