Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[MLaRF]

Originally Posted by Fat Cobraroll

Obviously, X-Deer must possess either the power to create objects it can lean against at will, or the power to bend the laws of physics.

But the robot dragon that can command the entirety of time itself is perfectly fine!

On another note, despite the fact that character customization would be cool and also support my theory of the game's theme being global interaction, the most used supporting evidence is a lack of glasses in one picture. Gold and Silver had an entire outfit change and no one was this heavily invested in a character customization theory.

[GGengar]

Pull a GSC and make a generation full of walls. (That'll never happen but one can hope.)

[MLaRF]

Originally Posted by Fat GGengar

Pull a GSC and make a generation full of walls. (That'll never happen but one can hope.)

Every new pokemon is a special wall. They are all weak to Landorus, Terrakion, Dragonite, Conkeldurr, Gliscor, and Ferrothorn. The metagame remains completely unchanged.

[KaoTicZombieZ]

GUYS, I think the starters will be grass/dark, fire/psychic, and water fighting based on some of the moves they use in the trailer (The grass thing uses night slash and the fire fox uses some kind of psychic move). You can tell by how dark, psychic, and fighting complement each other just like how grass, water, and fire does. It also gives you an edge over your rival too like how you can use a dark move on your rivals fire type when youre a grass type.

[Frisodium]

Chespin at first look totally like Oshawoth, but actually I don't know what kind of animal is, because it resembles more like a kangaroo or a mole. What is pretty sure is that its evolutions will be based on spiky plants (Chespin seems to be based on a chestnut). A cactus-based starter? Grass/fighting seems a really probable type, thought.

I dont like very much Fennekin, but at least is pretty hard to conceive that he may become a fire/fighting. Since he's based in a fenec fox, I'll go for a desert themed final evo, wich may be pretty cool. About the type, it would be nice to see a fire/ground, because of the desert stuff.

I like Froakie pretty much. At first it looks like a regular frog, but I think the key details are the "glasses" and the "fur". It looks really cute with that "shy and good student" look. Even he's adjusting his glasses at the artwork! I think his final form must be some kind of bearded-sage frog, and maybe a water/psychic.

The bird is really cool, with the three claws and that aggresive look. And they don't look like dragon types, wich is a plus. It seems GF has realized that they were starting to repeat themselves and are trying to be innovative. Let's hope they'll managed to.

And about the region... Hell yeah! An Europe-based region! Or at least a France based one... I really hope that it'll be Europe based, and it may be really cool. Just imagine: An steel type leader wich is a knight of an ancient order who fought evil dragon pokèmon with their steel types... A sunny and joyful city based on south Spain... A rainy and solemn one based on London... An snowy city based on Moscow with a Gym that resembles the Kremlin... A city inspired in Venice with a water gym... *.*

And, of course I want to know what will they add to the metagame. (Just hope they don't add anything like Stealth rock again). Maybe new types? Yes! New evos for old pokès? Of course! (I'd really love an evo for Mawile, Sableye, Castform and Kecleon...) Maybe new weather? Dreaming is free!

Well, we just have to wait for the info. Wich is, in my opinion, one of the funniest part of this franchise. Let's hope they'll reveal something new soon!

[CJorex]

Originally Posted by Fat ConverseBob

Throwing in my two cents (ok it's actually going to be more like 2 dollars) about the starter types. Just note, these are predictions for the final evolutions not necessarily the original starters. My reasons are based on two (ish) main reasons. The first is based on the moves shown in the video, and the second is based on typing and interactions between the starters.

Chespin- Grass/Dark. The video shows it hitting Golurk(ghost/ground) with what looks like a physical attack, and from the coloration of the attack(black, dark purple...) I would have to say dark type attack perhaps ghost, but the design of Chespin doesn't really scream ghost. So I vote dark.
Fennekin- Fire/Psychic. Watch the video, simple fire move, followed by simple psychic move. Also the design is somewhat reminicient of the Vulpix/Ninetales line, and I always thought Ninetales should be psychic, just look at it.
Froakie- Water/Fighting. (Before you freak out about this typing make sure to look at the second reason I state below.) From the attack shown, it could really be anything, and while the animation of the move, and the design of Froakie do not really stand up and yell "hey, I'm fighting type" this leads me to two conclusions. First Water gets screwed and is only one type, or see primary reason 2 below.

Ok here we go, personally, I have wanted alternate starter types since i heard that they were going with fire, water, and grass starters in ruby and sapphire. And there are plenty of other circles (fire beats grass, grass beats water, water beats fire, that thing) that this can be done with. Being one who has loved both dark and psychic types (and ghost, but that doesn't fit the argument) I would love to see starters in this typing. Since they began releasing secondary typing on starters (not looking at Bulbasaur) I have hoped that they would reverse the circle of strength with the secondary typing. While this was partially accomplished in D/P, there are some issues. If they go with the typing I predict (more so hope, cause its Gamefreak, and they troll a lot) this will be fully accomplished. Water beats Fire, Fire beats Grass, Grass beats Water but also, Fighting beats Dark, Dark beats Psychic, Psychic beats Fighting.

This is my hope, and my prediction, however, I have been wrong before.

Also, I hope we see a few more Eeveeloutions simply cause I love Eevee :)

I've been hoping that the next generation of starters would follow the line. It'll really mean that the type advantages will be migitated, and all of them will have cool secondary STABs

And thankyou Game Freak for designing a fire type starter that will probably not have a secondary fighting type.

Also, more Eeveelutions would be awesome. In my opinion the eeveelutions are some of the best designs, plus i've always wondered what a rock or bug type Eeveelution would look like.

[Lugiatina]

Originally Posted by Fat Joeyboy

Where'd you get this information from? A real random battle / Find Battle thing would be awesome.

I have a 3DS and the only thing that you need for multiplayer is your 3DS gamertag which you can get from meeting with other people online.

[MLaRF]

Originally Posted by Fat Frisodium

Chespin at first look totally like Oshawoth, but actually I don't know what kind of animal is, because it resembles more like a kangaroo or a mole. What is pretty sure is that its evolutions will be based on spiky plants (Chespin seems to be based on a chestnut). A cactus-based starter? Grass/fighting seems a really probable type, thought.

I dont like very much Fennekin, but at least is pretty hard to conceive that he may become a fire/fighting. Since he's based in a fenec fox, I'll go for a desert themed final evo, wich may be pretty cool. About the type, it would be nice to see a fire/ground, because of the desert stuff.

I like Froakie pretty much. At first it looks like a regular frog, but I think the key details are the "glasses" and the "fur". It looks really cute with that "shy and good student" look. Even he's adjusting his glasses at the artwork! I think his final form must be some kind of bearded-sage frog, and maybe a water/psychic.

The bird is really cool, with the three claws and that aggresive look. And they don't look like dragon types, wich is a plus. It seems GF has realized that they were starting to repeat themselves and are trying to be innovative. Let's hope they'll managed to.

And about the region... Hell yeah! An Europe-based region! Or at least a France based one... I really hope that it'll be Europe based, and it may be really cool. Just imagine: An steel type leader wich is a knight of an ancient order who fought evil dragon pokèmon with their steel types... A sunny and joyful city based on south Spain... A rainy and solemn one based on London... An snowy city based on Moscow with a Gym that resembles the Kremlin... A city inspired in Venice with a water gym... *.*

And, of course I want to know what will they add to the metagame. (Just hope they don't add anything like Stealth rock again). Maybe new types? Yes! New evos for old pokès? Of course! (I'd really love an evo for Mawile, Sableye, Castform and Kecleon...) Maybe new weather? Dreaming is free!

Well, we just have to wait for the info. Which is, in my opinion, one of the funniest part of this franchise. Let's hope they'll reveal something new soon!

• Fire/ground or Fire/rock would be way hella awesome for the desert fox, even if its typing would make it beyond lard. Hopefully remedied by rock-type finally getting its reliable special move it's been waiting for.
• Dragons being less present... maybe. I hope to hell they are because yes, having the past 2 generations focused mainly on dragons plus having emerald be based on rayquaza was kind of getting really old. But I would shit rocks before game freak would decline having any dragon legendaries.
• I would really love the region to be based on the entirety of europe, but judging from previous regions and the sizes they're based on, i'd only really expect maybe 1 european country per region, with other regions in the same country much like kanto, johto, hoenn, and sinnoh. However, we would still get the sunny beaches of Cannes in the south, and plenty of nice rural routes based on the endless wine fields of the french countryside. It would be so fucking scenic and I can't wait.

[Sound]

Worldwide release? ABOUT TIME!!! This has been coming for a while. Quite honestly, BW should have been worldwide but I digress.

I love the new starters. Chespin is my current favorite. The others just appear so... Ordinary to me. I like ones like Chikorita and Mudkip more. Based on animals, but certainly not something you'd ever see in real life. And... I've seen far too many road kill frogs to use Froakie. And it's name certainly doesn't help. Croak.

And, the legendaries. I like the bird. I like the bird very much. It is a very cool bird. The kind of bird who wears sunglasses even when its dark.

[Cobraroll]

Originally Posted by Fat MLaRF

But the robot dragon that can command the entirety of time itself is perfectly fine!

Structurally, yes. See its point of gravity? Right underneath its wings/whatever, no matter how it turns its head. Dialga would remain standing pretty much however it moved, as long as it didn't cross its forelegs.

Originally Posted by Fat MLaRF

On another note, despite the fact that character customization would be cool and also support my theory of the game's theme being global interaction, the most used supporting evidence is a lack of glasses in one picture. Gold and Silver had an entire outfit change and no one was this heavily invested in a character customization theory.

Still... this is in-game footage. One scene with a fancy pair of glasses proudly mounted on his cap, other scenes with the glasses missing. Unless the glasses are vital to the plot, à la the Go-Goggles or the Silph Scope, I daresay we can look forward to a system like the dress up system in Pokémon musicals and Super Contests. Even if the opposite were true, it would be a nice touch, seeing the key items you acquire appear on your person.

Or it could be character design in different stages of development. Perhaps the glasses were added/removed after parts of the trailer were made. But that would be rather lame, as well as an emgbarrasing oversight. Some editor over at Nintendo's must have watched that trailer hundreds of times in the last week. Surely somebody would have noticed if they weren't meant to appear.



Last, a rant: There have been made hundreds of mostly identical guesses as to the typing of the starter Pokémon and their evolutions. You are not the first to think about it. Read the damn thread!

[Craynak0]

It's time to bring up a serious topic barely even discussed so for. First of all, as you can notice this is my first post. This is on-topic because of my next point: I have just started trying to learn how the metagames works, specifically the VGC tier. Releasing a new gen so soon after gen 5 (in my opinion) will make it extremely hard for me (and others trying to learn the tiers) to learn and make effective teams!

[Toa Tahu]

Did anyone see the part where the male protag was roller-skating?

[Finitevus]

Not really. What will be harder is for them to decide what should be in each tier...

All you have to do is check the lists later. Problem solved.

[Subject 18]

I dont know if you guys saw this... (hint)

[Craynak0]

I am only using the simulator to test teams I come up with though, Finitevus.

[Gaburaisu]

Hey just watch them all end up being Fire, Water, and Grass with no secondaries. Biggest troll ever.

[MLaRF]

Originally Posted by Fat Cobraroll

Structurally, yes. See its point of gravity? Right underneath its wings/whatever, no matter how it turns its head. Dialga would remain standing pretty much however it moved, as long as it didn't cross its forelegs.

Ok, ok, you got me there.

Last, a rant: There have been made hundreds of mostly identical guesses as to the typing of the starter Pokémon and their evolutions. You are not the first to think about it. Read the damn thread!

I wholeheartedly agree. I suggest that somewhere easily accessible (i.e. topic description, topic name, or bold letters at the top of the first post) that we add exactly this.

Originally Posted by Fat BlackRussian

I dont know if you guys saw this... (hint)

[Infernis]

On the topic of Y-bird:

Originally Posted by Fat Gary2346

Flying/Fighting would be an awesome combination sense it's unique (not counting CAP Tomohawk). Having a flying type that's neutral to Rock, 4x resistant to Bug types, and neutral to Stealth Rocks is huge. If this thing gets Hurricane, holy shit Y would destroy everything in Ubers. That is, if it's special based. Looks like it could be more physical though, like HO-OH.

Maybe not every pokemon in Ubers. Four words: "Kyogre used Ice Beam!" Or hell, "Kyogre used Water Spout!"

[Organization Member XIV]

Originally Posted by Fat Gaburaisu

Hey just watch them all end up being Fire, Water, and Grass with no secondaries. Biggest troll ever.

IDK about fenniken, I'd doubt they'd make a pure Fire Type with a Psychic move. Unless the move in the trailer isn't a Psychic move at all lol. If only the effectiveness message would have come up, we could actually see if that was a Psychic move or not.

[Infernis]

Was that link about this rumor post? Because that one doesn't quite fit, considering that the starters look nothing like Eevee, there are only two announced games, and it looks like France, not a space colony. Plus 'digital type' is kinda stupid. (Read: Digimon)

[kingtrace]

The birdie definitely looks like a dark type, so I'm hoping/praying/contemplating jumping off a tall building if this doesn't happen/ Light type for the deer, or some other type. It's been pretty consistently no new types, but damn if that deer isn't shiny enough. A boy can dream, at least.

[soulless shadow]

Originally Posted by Fat Gaburaisu

Hey just watch them all end up being Fire, Water, and Grass with no secondaries. Biggest troll ever.

Originally Posted by Fat Organization Member XIV

IDK about fenniken, I'd doubt they'd make a pure Fire Type with a Psychic move. Unless the move in the trailer isn't a Psychic move at all lol. If only the effectiveness message would have come up, we could actually see if that was a Psychic move or not.

I agree with XIV here. Not to mention, Fennekin doesn't really look like it would evolve into a pure fire type. I honestly think it'll evolve into a fire/psychic type. I really like the look of it, I'll probably start with it.

[Ericcc]

I'm going to say that Fennekin is going to be Fire/Psychic due to the movie it used in the trailer. It also sounded, phonetically, like a psychic type move... no?



On another note, has anyone here played Colosseum/XDGOD? I reallllllyyy get a feel for these two games in X and Y. The graphics are very reminiscent of them,

[M. Rock]

Originally Posted by Fat Cobraroll

Last, a rant: There have been made hundreds of mostly identical guesses as to the typing of the starter Pokémon and their evolutions. You are not the first to think about it. Read the damn thread!

^This^


Things about this game I'm most interested in:
1. The new landscape and it's theme. A lot of countries in Europe have beautiful architecture, which can be fully appreciated with the new camera.

2. Playing on the GBU without being able to know how to RNG the new mons for probably the first half a year or so (let's be real we're not going to entirely stick to our old teams for so long). It adds an element of surprise and some extra caution: you can't entirely predict how much damage X move will do or if Y Pokemon can survive Z attack, or who will win the speed tie.

3. Playing with old teams in full 3D =)

4. Seeing all the new legendaries.


Now I wonder what they're going to do with the Pokemon Global Link. Are they going to abandon that huge infrastructure when XY come out, update it for the new games, or ditch it for something new entirely? Or what if XY doesn't have a Dream World O.o

[Uncanny Luck]

Originally Posted by Fat BlackRussian

I dont know if you guys saw this... (hint)

Quick, begin mass guessing on the BST distributions of the other Eeveelutions! There are approximately 120 total combinations!