Pokémon X and Y Discussion - Page 97

Jolteon Bandit · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

You literally just took Poliwrath's stats and gave him 25 ATK and 5 SP.DEF.

Poliwrath Water/Fighting with a BST of 500
90
85
95
70
90
70

Well, that's what I imagined it's stats to be. Very tankish. And if it's that close to another Water/Fighting frog then it must be right, you heard it here first =P (I actually based it off of Feraligatr's stats mostly with a few changes here and there and taking into account most of the water starter stats. This is true for all of the stat spreads I listed.)

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Argh please dont start with these mediocre stats all around insane stat in something kind of starter. Ive had enough with Sceptile. I want something more balanced like Swampert.

What do you mean? Chespin doesn't have a stat over 100 and Froakie only has 110 ATK with nothing else in the triple digits. Fennekin (to me at least) would be pretty frail, as psychic types are not known for their awesome defensive abilities.

CynicalGiant · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jolteon Bandit

Froakie final form Water/Fighting with a BST of 530
90
110
95
70
95
70

Another problem that I noticed with this potential spread is that Froakie doesn't look slow to me. He doesn't look like he would be a slow pokemon in the slightest. He looks rather nimble and quick. Poliwrath is muscular and slow looking. Id imagine that Froakie would become a much faster amphibian.

Id imagine that something like 85/105/85/70/80/105 would suit him better.

reaverz · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Argh please dont start with these mediocre stats all around insane stat in something kind of starter. Ive had enough with Sceptile. I want something more balanced like Swampert.

Funny, I see those stats as horribly balanced and the kind that doom most starters to NU. Swampert was only really good because of its typing to be honest. Froakie's final evolution would similarly be good with Poliwrath-esque stats because its BST would be higher (Poliwrath is only held back by its BST which made its Attack stat weak). But Chespin and Fennekin's proposed final evolution base stats wouldn't get them far.

To be honest though, Grass/Dark and Fire/Psychic are not very good type combos and it's hard to make them work without massive optimization in base stats and ridiculous movepools.

SmashBrosBrawl · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jolteon Bandit

Well, that's what I imagined it's stats to be. Very tankish. And if it's that close to another Water/Fighting frog then it must be right, you heard it here first =P

What do you mean? Chespin doesn't have a stat over 100 and Froakie only has 110 ATK with nothing else in the triple digits. Fennekin (to me at least) would be pretty frail, as psychic types are not known for their awesome defensive abilities.

I was talking about Fennekin.

CynicalGiant · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:13:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

I was talking about Fennekin.

Just do the Charziard/Typhlosion thing and give Fennekin's final form the same base stats.

Im joking, dont.

SmashBrosBrawl · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:16:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

Just do the Charziard/Typhlosion thing and give Fennekin's final form the same base stats.

Im joking, dont.

XD. Fennekin final form with Emboar stats lol. At least if it had a non-recoil based movepool.

Jolteon Bandit · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:27:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

Another problem that I noticed with this potential spread is that Froakie doesn't look slow to me. He doesn't look like he would be a slow pokemon in the slightest. He looks rather nimble and quick. Poliwrath is muscular and slow looking. Id imagine that Froakie would become a much faster amphibian.

Id imagine that something like 85/105/85/70/80/105 would suit him better.

This is true, but remember, Poliwrath was once the lowly Poliwag, and it didn't even have arms. No one really saw Tepig growing up into Emboar either. I agree though, if it's evolution is slimmer looking, then it will obviously be faster. I'm basing most of my predictions on typing and previous starters.

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Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

XD. Fennekin final form with Emboar stats lol. At least if it had a non-recoil based movepool.

As long as it doesn't also have Emboar's type, I really don't care what the little fox turns into. Just no more firefighters in my pokemanz please.

Flaming Piranha · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:28:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

You literally just took Poliwrath's stats and gave him 25 ATK and 5 SP.DEF.

Poliwrath Water/Fighting with a BST of 500
90
85
95
70
90
70

Why in the world would a pokemon with 115 atk and spatk evolve to only gain 5-10 each? His physical and special stats are supposed to be completely outweigh the rest of his stats. That's part of his design.

His base stats are 70/115/60/115/60/55 and I proposed a 90/140/80/140/80/70 change. Still very slow, only slightly bulky, still a power house.

Still not nearly as scary as a Sheer Force STAB Choice Band Flare Blitz from Darmanitan (who has 140 ATK and similar stats)

I'm not focusing on his design, I'm focusing on trying to keep it at least a little balanced. Is base 125 not good enough for you or something? Many people consider Heracross' and Weavile's attack to be brilliant, and that base stat on both offences? Not trying to start an argument here, but y'know

labarith · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:31:46 PM

What if... Sun decreased the effectiveness of ice moves by 50%?

I figure Sun/Dragon would be the new big thing...

Upstart · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:34:08 PM

Speaking of stat spreads, I gave my predictions earlier in the threads. However I really want froakie to have decent speed 85+, 90 would be amazing. But seriously why must the water starter always have mediocre speed. I think with Froakie's frailer design compared to previous water pokemon he might actually have some speed to him.

Edit: @ above post I really hope they do not buff drought further especially when hail has been asking for help for so long. However I could totally see it happening

reaverz · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:36:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Upstart

Speaking of stat spreads, I gave my predictions earlier in the threads. However I really want froakie to have decent speed 85+, 90 would be amazing. But seriously why must the water starter always have mediocre speed. I think with Froakie's frailer design compared to previous water pokemon he might actually have some speed to him.

Yeah, it's amazing how the fastest Water starters are Blastoise and Feraligatr at a whopping base 78. They really need to have a Water starter with at least base 90 Speed. Hopefully Froakie will become fast in its final evolution, and if it does become a Water/Fighting type it would be nice for it to be fast and frail to distance itself from Poliwrath.

Jolteon Bandit · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:38:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat labarith

What if... Sun decreased the effectiveness of ice moves by 50%?

I figure Sun/Dragon would be the new big thing...

Anything + Dragon is awesome regardless. And Ice is terrible enough as it is, it doesn't need anymore help being subpar.

Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll get any new Dragon/??? type combinations. I personally want a Dragon/Bug, though I don't know what design they'd use since Yanma et al are already dragonflies (smh).

CynicalGiant · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:42:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jolteon Bandit

Anything + Dragon is awesome regardless. And Ice is terrible enough as it is, it doesn't need anymore help being subpar.

Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll get any new Dragon/??? type combinations. I personally want a Dragon/Bug, though I don't know what design they'd use since Yanma et al are already dragonflies (smh).

Dragon/Fighting. It always wins. ALWAYS

Jolteon Bandit · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:48:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

Dragon/Fighting. It always wins. ALWAYS

That would be too OP, unless it wound up with Druddigon's stats. I hate Druddigon...

Gaburaisu · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:52:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

Dragon/Fighting. It always wins. ALWAYS

Ditto. Broken, but I'd still like to see this.

By the way, I'm actually hoping the starters will be somewhat decent this time around as far as stat distribution. I'm kinda tired of not having any starters being viable competitively past UU. Except Blaziken of course, but that's only because of Speed Boost.

I also kind of wish that all starters had a secondary ability available that wasn't DW only. Overgrow/Blaze/Torrent would still be available whenever you choose a starter pokemon by default, but some other abilities would be nice too. :\

Magik · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:53:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jolteon Bandit

Anything + Dragon is awesome regardless. And Ice is terrible enough as it is, it doesn't need anymore help being subpar.

Speaking of which, I wonder if we'll get any new Dragon/??? type combinations. I personally want a Dragon/Bug, though I don't know what design they'd use since Yanma et al are already dragonflies (smh).

Why should the yanma/mega be a dragon type o-o sure its a dragonfly but thats just its name and it doesnt mean it should be a dragon type, it doesnt even look draconian .-.
thats like saying garchomp should be water ground because its a landshark

anyways i see a pattern, gamefreak always puts a flaw in the starters in one shape or another, such as emboars lack of speed,serperiors awful attacking stats etc, i think they do this to promote not just using your starter for the whole jounry but diversifying your team, i bet the new starters will follow the same path and have around 100~ attacking stat and spped

CynicalGiant · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:53:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jolteon Bandit

That would be too OP, unless it wound up with Druddigon's stats. I hate Druddigon...

Druddigon is sexy. Don't you insult him.

Ooh, what if they let Druddigon evolve. I want it GameFreak. GIVE ME IT. Please let it have Dragon Rush with Sheer Force! It would do more damage than Outrage does because of Sheer Force! (195 STAB Sheer Force Dragon Rush compared to 180 STAB Outrage)

Even better if they let the evolution be Dragon/Rock type (since he is a Gargoyle). Sheer Force + Stab + Life Orb boosted Rock Slide and Dragon Rush would be amazing. The Sp.Def boost from Sandstorm would be pretty crazy as well combined with how much bulkier he would be evolved.

The stat spread could be something like 103/145/112/60/112/48. (580 BST) Id imagine they would keep the low speed because of just how bulky and powerful he would become evolved.

It could be called Druddigoyle.

252 HP/252 ATK/4 DEF Sheer Force Adamant with Life Orb
- Dragon Rush
- Rock Slide
- Sucker Punch
- Super Power

IcyMan28 · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:55:38 PM

A fighting/dragon with Druddigon's stats would be very good, actually. Having the bulk to take Water/Grass/Fire/Electric/Bug/Dark/Rock attacks while still being able to use attacks off 120 base Attack would be good.

Plus Trick Room.

AerialLight · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:56:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat labarith

What if... Sun decreased the effectiveness of ice moves by 50%?

I figure Sun/Dragon would be the new big thing...

stop with the weather

it's killing people

(I know it sounds logical but 5th gen is already weather centric and we don't need more)

czechm8 · Jan 17th, 2013, 5:58:22 PM

I wish Yanmega got a dragon type evo; it would never happen, but I just like the thought of tinted lens Draco Meteors! Especially if said evo has another 10 points or so of SpAtk then nothing except the blobs could switch in repeatedly.

CynicalGiant · Jan 17th, 2013, 6:15:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat czechm8

I wish Yanmega got a dragon type evo; it would never happen, but I just like the thought of tinted lens Draco Meteors! Especially if said evo has another 10 points or so of SpAtk then nothing except the blobs could switch in repeatedly.

Yanmegamega

Lazybeef · Jan 17th, 2013, 6:16:39 PM

If there will be a dragon/fighting I hope it will be something with lucario-ish stats with high speed, something like 80-110-70-110-70-115 with a good movepool, both physical and special. It would be fun to use with a variety of sets available.

CynicalGiant · Jan 17th, 2013, 6:19:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Lazybeef

If there will be a dragon/fighting I hope it will be something with lucario-ish stats with high speed, something like 80-110-70-110-70-115 with a good movepool, both physical and special. It would be fun to use with a variety of sets available.

I rather Dragon/Fighting be incredibly bulky but also incredibly slow.

Flaming Piranha · Jan 17th, 2013, 6:20:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

Druddigon is sexy. Don't you insult him.

Ooh, what if they let Druddigon evolve. I want it GameFreak. GIVE ME IT. Please let it have Dragon Rush with Sheer Force! It would do more damage than Outrage does because of Sheer Force! (195 STAB Sheer Force Dragon Rush compared to 180 STAB Outrage)

Even better if they let the evolution be Dragon/Rock type (since he is a Gargoyle). Sheer Force + Stab + Life Orb boosted Rock Slide and Dragon Rush would be amazing. The Sp.Def boost from Sandstorm would be pretty crazy as well combined with how much bulkier he would be evolved.

The stat spread could be something like 103/145/112/60/112/48. (580 BST) Id imagine they would keep the low speed because of just how bulky and powerful he would become evolved.

It could be called Druddigoyle.

252 HP/252 ATK/4 DEF Sheer Force Adamant with Life Orb
- Dragon Rush
- Rock Slide
- Sucker Punch
- Super Power

Haha, I love that idea. Despite having a weakness to ground and fighting, I think a Druddugon evolution would be much-needed. It better not have a stupid colour scheme though, like Druddigon. I never understood the blue body and bright red head.

CynicalGiant · Jan 17th, 2013, 6:25:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Flaming Piranha

Haha, I love that idea. Despite having a weakness to ground and fighting, I think a Druddugon evolution would be much-needed. It better not have a stupid colour scheme though, like Druddigon. I never understood the blue body and bright red head.

That color scheme needs to stay. He is one of my favorite pokemon and I love everything about his design. The pokemon art style doesn't really capture it very well though I suppose.

...

It also reminds me of Firebrand (who is also very Gargoyle like). I love Firebrand.

...

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Lazybeef Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 10	If there will be a dragon/fighting I hope it will be something with lucario-ish stats with high speed, something like 80-110-70-110-70-115 with a good movepool, both physical and special. It would be fun to use with a variety of sets available.