Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[Charro]

Screw Druddigon, we have tons of offensive dragons already, we need an Altaria evo.

A defensive dragon with huge defenses and pretty much every other good aspect about Altaria (Roost, Natural Cure, Heal Bell) would be awesome.

[TheMrBassdude]

I still like the concept of a Dragon/Poison line for the pseudo-legendary this gen. Start with a lizard or a Gila Monster, something in the middle, then badass Komodo Dragon. High attack, decent defense and HP, high speed, awful special stats

[Basileus]

Originally Posted by Fat Jimera0

Really now? Shiftry does fairly well as a mixed chlorophyll sweeper with HP Fire and Low Kick (Shiftry is just let down by its terrible stat spread, Cacturne is in the same boat)... You know your STAB doesn't HAVE to be the only moves you use right? And Dark's Neutral coverage is actually pretty damn good, really the only thing you need to cover with other moves are steel types...

Really Grass dark isn't terrible typing. It's not GREAT typing by any means, but while it does have a 4x weakness to bug, and 2x weakness to fighting, fire, Ice, flying(mostly irrelevant, nothing short of a resist will stop most flying type attackers (Tornadus, Staraptor, Dragonite) anyway) and Poison (lol wgaf) it also has resistances to Ground, Water, Grass and Electric and a handy immunity to Psychic. Shifty just doesn't have the bulk to use its resistances.

The grass/dark combination is interesting for its almost complete lack of overlap either offensively or defensively (only the bug weakness and steel resist overlap), meaning it has different matchups against a fuck-ton of types, setting it up to be an interesting utility counter that works great against some Pokemon and terrible against others.

So while Grass/Dark typing alone isn't enough to make something viable, it's not bad enough either to instantly make a Pokemon non-viable. Don't dismiss a Grass/Dark Chespin evolution out of hand.

this is why grass/dark is terrible. Fighting, fire, bug, AND ice? Yea, shiftry sure is great with its 60/60 defenses. Also, Flying is more common then you think. There is a reason it is in NU, anything with decent speed completely obliterates shiftry.

[reaverz]

Originally Posted by Fat Basileus

this is why grass/dark is terrible. Fighting, fire, bug, AND ice? Yea, shiftry sure is great with its 60/60 defenses. Also, Flying is more common then you think. There is a reason it is in NU, anything with decent speed completely obliterates shiftry.

I agree with you, and it's the reason why I silently hope that Chespin evolves into a Grass/Fighting Pokemon instead. Grass/Steel could happen as well, but Ferrothorn already did everything a defensive Grass/Steel can hope to achieve, and an offensive Grass/Steel would have terrible STAB...

Grass/Dark, while feasible from an aesthetic standpoint, would very likely doom Chespin's final evolution to total mediocrity in battle. I'd rather it didn't happen.

[Pokesal]

Look at what Amazon has for Pokemon X:

http://www.amazon.com/Pok%C3%A9mon-X...ords=pokemon+y

It says it's for the Wii and it will release in December 2009. Lol.

[Ericcc]

I love the speculation revolving Xerneas and his roots in being one of the stags of Yggdrasil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil

[erisia]

Originally Posted by Fat IcyMan28

Do note that Victini usually runs a physical set because that's where it's movepool shines most; base 100 offenses/speed aren't anything special. Starters tend to have more specialized stats by the end, so it may end up being stronger and faster than Victini with less bulk. If that's the case, I could see Victini handling the physical side of things while Fennekin3 does special.

That's partly my point. Even though Victini runs physical attacking sets almost all the time, I'm saying that a special attacking Victini, even though extremely uncommon, would still most likely outclass Finalkin unless they give it Sceptile-like stats and an as-good-as if not better special movepool. A small increase in Special Attack doesn't make up for losing Thunderbolt / Focus Blast / Glaciate or even using V-Create on a mixed set, not to mention the bulk increase. I mean, why use Finalkin over Victini if it's just as-good-as Victini as a special attacker, and it doesn't have that great physical offense? With this in mind, I think Finalkin would need significantly better offenses, particularly a great Speed stat, to warrant using it over an uncommon Victini set.

75 / 65 / 65 / 114 / 95 / 120 spread would be cool!

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Druddigon is in the same boat as Altaria. They were designed to suck unfornately. When a pokemon is designed to suck it hardly ever gains an evolution.

[reaverz]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Druddigon is in the same boat as Altaria. They were designed to suck unfornately. When a pokemon is designed to suck it hardly ever gains an evolution.

Gen IV proved that they are willing to evolve a ton of subpar Pokemon (I swear like half of Gen II's oddballs evolved in DP!). If Eevee ends up having a new evolution revealed in the next few months, that would be the first sign of this being a generation that will evolve a handful of past-gen Pokemon.

In any case, I'm not giving up hope on a Banette evo!

[blasphemy1]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

Druddigon is in the same boat as Altaria. They were designed to suck unfornately. When a pokemon is designed to suck it hardly ever gains an evolution.

Magmar was seemingly designed to suck. It had nothing to distinguish it from other Fire-types and it was statistically inferior. Electabuzz was pretty much in the same boat. Then of course you've got stuff like Golbat, Lickitung, Onix, Porygon, Seadra, Aipom, Gligar (it doesn't suck now, but it wasn't any better than Altaria is), Misdreavus, Murkrow... I'm not even done with Gen II yet. I thought all of those Pokemon 'looked' fully evolved, too.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat blasphemy1

Magmar was seemingly designed to suck. It had nothing to distinguish it from other Fire-types and it was statistically inferior. Electabuzz was pretty much in the same boat. Then of course you've got stuff like Golbat, Lickitung, Onix, Porygon, Seadra, Aipom, Gligar (it doesn't suck now, but it wasn't any better than Altaria is), Misdreavus, Murkrow... I'm not even done with Gen II yet. I thought all of those Pokemon 'looked' fully evolved, too.

I dont think you got it. Druddigon sucks cause it has an awful movepool. Altaria sucks cause it has awful offenses. All these pokemon you cited had low stats overall.

[DTC]

Druddigon does not suck in the slightest. Only in OU: in both UU (despite not being UU) and RU, it is a very viable Pokemon. The only reason it "sucks" is the presence of other, better Dragon-types in OU. And it is mediocre in comparison to other Dragon-types because of its lack of Speed, not its "poor" (exaggeration) movepool that has nice moves such as Outrage, Superpower, Sucker Punch, Dragon Tail, Stealth Rock, etc.

[Halcyon of Light]

Originally Posted by Fat DTC

Druddigon does not suck in the slightest. Only in OU: in both UU (despite not being UU) and RU, it is a very viable Pokemon. The only reason it "sucks" is the presence of other, better Dragon-types in OU. And it is mediocre in comparison to other Dragon-types because of its lack of Speed, not its "poor" (exaggeration) movepool that has nice moves such as Outrage, Superpower, Sucker Punch, Dragon Tail, Stealth Rock, etc.

Agreed, anyone who claims Druddigon sucks has never used him on a Trick Room Team. He hits like a truck, and works well in UU.

[CynicalGiant]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

I dont think you got it. Druddigon sucks cause it has an awful movepool. Altaria sucks cause it has awful offenses. All these pokemon you cited had low stats overall.

Imagine if Druddigon actually evolved. Imagine if Altaria evolved.

Blam problems fixed. They would still fill their niche roles but be different enough from other Dragons that they would warrant usage, they just need help from an evolution standpoint.

[inanimate blob]

Does anyone else here want a Dunsparce evolution? Maybe a Normal/Ground type, it can be a huge serpent like thing with bigger wings! I've dreamed of it for years. Also, Dunsparce in LC would be pretty dern good.

Also, Jynx needs to evolve into Princyce. End of story.

[CynicalGiant]

Originally Posted by Fat inanimate blob

Does anyone else here want a Dunsparce evolution? Maybe a Normal/Ground type, it can be a huge serpent like thing with bigger wings! I've dreamed of it for years. Also, Dunsparce in LC would be pretty dern good.

Also, Jynx needs to evolve into Princyce. End of story.

I think Dunsparce really is designed to just be terrible. It would be really neat to see him evolve, but I really don't see it happening.

His design is stupid, confusing and cool all at the same time. What is he supposed to be exactly? Is he a snake? Is he a bug?

He drills into the ground but for some reason has wings? I dont get it.

He could easily become Normal/Ground, Normal/Ghost, Normal/Dragon etc., He is confusing and stupid looking and thats why I love him.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Jynx not gaining an evolution like Electabuzz and Magmar was stupid. The three of them are pretty much counterpats of each other. A Jynx evolution is something GF must do next gen.

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

I think Dunsparce really is designed to just be terrible. It would be really neat to see him evolve, but I really don't see it happening.

Really?

[blasphemy1]

Originally Posted by Fat SmashBrosBrawl

I dont think you got it. Druddigon sucks cause it has an awful movepool. Altaria sucks cause it has awful offenses. All these pokemon you cited had low stats overall.

You said when a Pokemon sucks, it's not likely to gain an evolution. I listed Pokemon which performed FAR worse prior to attaining an evolution than Altaria or Druddigon do currently. Therefore, according to your criteria, Altaria and Druddigon should have a greater chance to receive evolutions than the others. Something about the logic or communication of said logic is confusing.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat blasphemy1

You said when a Pokemon sucks, it's not likely to gain an evolution. I listed Pokemon which performed FAR worse prior to attaining an evolution than Altaria or Druddigon do currently. Therefore, according to your criteria, Altaria and Druddigon should have a greater chance to receive evolutions than the others.

Ok. I said most pokemon that suck afair.

[CynicalGiant]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

Really?

What would he even turn into? His design is probably the most confusing out of all other pokemon. He is a snake that has traits of bees. He is a bug? He is a snake? Is he a worm? What is he exactly? I know what his basis is but its still confusing.

He is one of my favorites but I really dont ever see him getting any love from GameFreak.

I want this to be real if he did evolve. It would make sense to me for an underdog pokemon based on a mythical snake to turn into a dragon. Normal/Dragon perhaps?

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[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

What would he even turn into? His design is probably the most confusing out of all other pokemon.

He is one of my favorites but I really dont ever see him getting any love from GameFreak.

He is a flying serpent.

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

What would he even turn into? His design is probably the most confusing out of all other pokemon.

He is one of my favorites but I really dont ever see him getting any love from GameFreak.

Sorry, tried to make a joke there, guess it wasn't caught. Look back, I made it more obvious.

On dunsparce though, he COULD get an evolution, but I think he was made to kind of be a derp pokemon. Similarly, I don't think Stunfisk will ever get another evolution. They're just that kind of pokemon.

Oh, and: Skarmory baby form, Skarmini. I'd also suggest Skarmory evolution, Skarmega, but everyone would say:

Skarmory with eviolite

And chaos would ensue.

[Basileus]

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

What would he even turn into? His design is probably the most confusing out of all other pokemon.

He is one of my favorites but I really dont ever see him getting any love from GameFreak.

I would personally love it to evolve, but I doubt it. He is based on a mythical snake, tsuchinoko, and is an underdog so maybe he becomes an even derpier Dragon?

I want this to be real:

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lol, I think he was making a joke because you said "really" a lot. Anyhow, that thing is pretty freaking awesome looking.

[inanimate blob]

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

I think Dunsparce really is designed to just be terrible. It would be really neat to see him evolve, but I really don't see it happening.

His design is stupid, confusing and cool all at the same time. What is he supposed to be exactly? Is he a snake? Is he a bug?

He drills into the ground but for some reason has wings? I dont get it.

He could easily become Normal/Ground, Normal/Ghost, Normal/Dragon etc., He is confusing and stupid looking and thats why I love him.

Actually, Dunsparce is a pretty intelligent design. It's based off the tsuchinoko, which is a Japanese legend of a winged serpent like creature. It also has elements of Winged Serpents from other mythologies from around the world, like the Aztecs.

The tail design relates to burrowing bees, putting a more simplistic approach on a complicated real-life animal.

Based on these, it seems fairly logical for Dunsparce to evolve into a Normal/Ground type.