Solrock (QC 3/3)

Annoyer · Nov 22nd, 2012, 1:27:37 PM

Unique typing for a Rock-type, only shared with its cousin, Lunatone
contains many attributes to separate itself from other Rock-types
great switch-in to the many normal and flying types in the tier
weakness to bug-type moves, notably u-turn, limit its effectiveness against common bird-types that use u-turn, such as Swellow or Braviary
Good dual screener that can set up rocks
decent Trick room setter
mediocre stats, highest one is 95 base attack, lowers its effectiveness
not a great pokemon in the metagame, but fulfills many notable niches

[SET]
name: Physically Defensive
move 1: Stealth Rock
name 2: Morning Sun
name 3: Will-O-Wisp
name 4: Rock Slide
item: Leftovers
ability: Levitate
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

access to Will-O-Wisp, levitate, psychic-typing (therefore not giving it a fighting weakness), decent base speed, and RECOVERY separates Solrock a lot from other Rock-types
able to take many physical attacks, especially in conjunction with Will-O-Wisp
levitate allows Solrock to not get worn down by Spikes
can recover off repeated attacks from the likes of Kangaskhan
70 base speed allows it to burn Golurk before it can hit Solrock with shadow punch
can avoid getting 2hkod by even the monster, Zangoose
spread burns very well throughout the match and has much better survivability than Golem or Regirock
good switch-in to normal, flying, and rock-types as none can really do much to it without a super-effective coverage move
stealth rock is a necessity to most teams, and solrock has multiple times to set them up during the match
will-o-wisp is a great, rare status move to have on a physically defensive Pokemon
it also burns the common absols and skuntanks that think they can easily pursuit trap solrock
morning sun is great for recovery so it can switch-in repeatedly throughout the match
rock slide whittles down its opponent and so it isn't taunt bait

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Zen headbutt can be used over Rock Slide to hit Fighting and Poison-types, such as Amoonguss or Gurdurr
rocky helmet can be used to wear down physical attackers, such as Cinccino or Swellow, and the lack of leftovers doesn't hurt that much since Solrock has Morning Sun for recovery
partners that can take on water and grass-type attacks such as Amoonguss work weel as they have good defensive synergy
something that can tank special attacks is good since most special attackers can easily break through Solrock so Mantine or Regice are good fits
something that can easily take on Gurdurr such as Garbodor is helpful since gurdurr dgaf about burn and sets up on Solrock easily
be wary about switching Solrock into Swellow or Braviary as U-turn does a hefty chunk
you can run 160 speed to outspeed SubBU Braviary so you can burn it before it sets up a substitute and proceeds to sweep through your team
toxic can be used over WoW if you prefer toxic, even though will-o-wisp is one of its main niches over another Rock-type such as Regirock
a specially defensive spread can be used since WoW already cripples physical attackers enough but most special attackers can break through it anyways

[SET]
name: Dual Screens
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Explosion
item: Light Clay
ability: Levitate
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

Choosing Solrock over another Dual Screener such as Gardevoir may seem odd, but Solrock's main advantage is SR, which sweepers on hyper offensive teams love
it can also go out with a boom and has a decent speed when invested
can set up screens against many pokemon such as Golem or Kangaskhan
Light Screen and Reflect are self-explanatory for a dual screens set as they allow Solrock's teammates to have an easier time setting up or breaking through the other team
Use explosion carefully since that will be Solrock's last time setting up screens
explosion allows solrock to bring in one of its teammates safely while also denting the opponent

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

max speed allows it to outspeed many pokemon such as Absol or neutral Samurott/Ludicolo allowing it to get off a BOOM, screens, or SR before it goes down
Morning Sun or an attack can be used over explosion if you want to preserve Solrock throughout the match
same can be said for SR if you already have a SR user
try setting up SR before you start screening so you won't be wasting a turn of screens by using SR
good teammates are ones that can take advantage of its screens such as Linoone or Fraxure
Ampharos is also a good partner as it can also set up screens against special attackers that can knock out Solrock
please do not use a normal gem, it needs light clay for screens to stay up for a long time

[Other Options]

Trick Room + BOOM + SR
A baton pass set can be used but is generally outclassed by other speed passers such as Ninjask or Agility Gorebyss
a cb set maybe?
Psyche Up to stop pokemon such as Musharna, Braviary, or Fraxure setting up on it (works well with Morning Sun too), but it's not as effective as it seems
has a good special movepool, but Lunatone outclasses it as a special attacker
can set up Sunny Day
gravity !
offensive LO + morning sun + 3 attacks set

[Checks and Counters]

Special Water-types such as Ludicolo or Samurott can easily destroy Solrock; Gorebyss can even easily set up against Solrock
Grass-types such as Amoonguss or Eggy have no problem with Solrock as neither of them mind the burn, be wary of Zen Headbutt when using Amoonguss though
Skuntank can Taunt and trap Solrock but can't switch into Will-O-Wisp directly
Absol can threaten Solrock out with a possible Lum Berry to not worry about Will-O-Wisp
Birds such as Swellow and Braviary can continually U-turn against Solrock and force it out with a teammate
Gurdurr can set up on Solrock all day as it doesn't care about getting burned due to Guts
Misdreavus can Taunt, Will-O-Wisp, or Shadow Ball to take care of Solrock
Haunter can SubDisable solrock's only attacking move and KO it with Shadow Ball
Fraxure can set up on Solrock with Taunt but can't switch in because of the risk of getting burned

Django · Nov 22nd, 2012, 1:34:44 PM

ctrl-f Psych Up -----> no results. This should at least be in OO, maybe even in AC of the first set. Being able to completely stop Braviary and Musharna (along with some other stat-boosters) is so amazing, especially when you have recovery to go along with it. I'm not sure about move legalities since it gets Psych Up from Gen 3, but it still needs a mention somewhere. I'll give this a full look over soon-ish.

EBeast · Nov 22nd, 2012, 1:52:56 PM

Psych Up is actually a 5th gen TM so it access it on any of its sets, like Dingo said it should be in either Other Options or AC of the first set. I'm not really too sure where it should go as all of Solrock's moves are pretty important for it in its first set. Remove Stone Edge from the set and move it to AC. Since this is just an accuracy thing it's not really important enough to keep it in the main set and Rock Slide's PP is vastly superior and works better for a defensive set anyways. If you can, try to find some situations where Stone Edge would be preferred over Rock Slide. If you can't you should just remove mention of it at all.

I think the name of the first set should be called Physically Defensive since that is really its main role; to take advantage of Will-O-Wisp, Morning Sun, and its unique typing to tank physical threats such as Emboar.

Add in for Other Options a Life Orb 3 Attacks + Morning Sun set that takes advantage of its good coverage, base 70 Speed, and access to recovery. Its main downfall being that it's not all that powerful and doesn't take advantage of its main defensive niche.

Annoyer · Nov 22nd, 2012, 5:18:31 PM

k implemented above stuff

Sweet Jesus · Nov 23rd, 2012, 11:50:48 AM

Fraxure generally runs taunt (which he will use fearing WoW) and is not setting up it's defence, I don't think he should be mentionned in the psych up point.

I'm actually not so sure about mentioning psych up at all since solrock is not killing gurdurr even with a crit while gurdurr will completely wreck solrock and the rest of your team if he get's one. You'll have to pray for WoW to kill him before he gets a crit which might take a while. Mushy is also OHKO'ing you at +6 if it gets a crit, while solrock doesn't even have a boosted rock slide to damage it and isn't doing much through burn either. Even SubBU brav can pp stall you, best you can get is a burn or a crit on a roost turn.

The Agonist · Nov 23rd, 2012, 12:15:57 PM

Maybe make a mention of Baton Pass on the dual screens set?

***Zebraiken**** · Nov 23rd, 2012, 5:02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Sweet Jesus

Fraxure generally runs taunt (which he will use fearing WoW) and is not setting up it's defence, I don't think he should be mentionned in the psych up point.

I'm actually not so sure about mentioning psych up at all since solrock is not killing gurdurr even with a crit while gurdurr will completely wreck solrock and the rest of your team if he get's one. You'll have to pray for WoW to kill him before he gets a crit which might take a while. Mushy is also OHKO'ing you at +6 if it gets a crit, while solrock doesn't even have a boosted rock slide to damage it and isn't doing much through burn either. Even SubBU brav can pp stall you, best you can get is a burn or a crit on a roost turn.

psych up is in OO which basically fits what you pointed out - it's marginally useful (or at least plausibly, at first) but after further inspection, it doesn't quite turn out to be as effective as it should.

otherwise i'm ok with the rest of this.

QC Approved 1/3

Django · Nov 23rd, 2012, 5:18:31 PM

QC Approved 2/3

DTC · Nov 23rd, 2012, 5:27:49 PM

Mention in the Overview that Solrock counters Zebraiken.

QC Approved 3/3

Annoyer · Nov 23rd, 2012, 5:38:55 PM

Thanks guys. Will get started writing this weekend!

**Raseri** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:32:23 AM

is this still being worked on? It's been sitting here for quite awhile.

**Raseri** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:17:56 PM

this is being reassigned

Nov 22nd, 2012, 1:27:37 PM	#1
Annoyer flappin' Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 338 ~	Solrock (QC 3/3) SUN ROCK THINGIE [Overview] Unique typing for a Rock-type, only shared with its cousin, Lunatone contains many attributes to separate itself from other Rock-types great switch-in to the many normal and flying types in the tier weakness to bug-type moves, notably u-turn, limit its effectiveness against common bird-types that use u-turn, such as Swellow or Braviary Good dual screener that can set up rocks decent Trick room setter mediocre stats, highest one is 95 base attack, lowers its effectiveness not a great pokemon in the metagame, but fulfills many notable niches [SET] name: Physically Defensive move 1: Stealth Rock name 2: Morning Sun name 3: Will-O-Wisp name 4: Rock Slide item: Leftovers ability: Levitate nature: Impish evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD [SET COMMENTS] access to Will-O-Wisp, levitate, psychic-typing (therefore not giving it a fighting weakness), decent base speed, and RECOVERY separates Solrock a lot from other Rock-types able to take many physical attacks, especially in conjunction with Will-O-Wisp levitate allows Solrock to not get worn down by Spikes can recover off repeated attacks from the likes of Kangaskhan 70 base speed allows it to burn Golurk before it can hit Solrock with shadow punch can avoid getting 2hkod by even the monster, Zangoose spread burns very well throughout the match and has much better survivability than Golem or Regirock good switch-in to normal, flying, and rock-types as none can really do much to it without a super-effective coverage move stealth rock is a necessity to most teams, and solrock has multiple times to set them up during the match will-o-wisp is a great, rare status move to have on a physically defensive Pokemon it also burns the common absols and skuntanks that think they can easily pursuit trap solrock morning sun is great for recovery so it can switch-in repeatedly throughout the match rock slide whittles down its opponent and so it isn't taunt bait [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] Zen headbutt can be used over Rock Slide to hit Fighting and Poison-types, such as Amoonguss or Gurdurr rocky helmet can be used to wear down physical attackers, such as Cinccino or Swellow, and the lack of leftovers doesn't hurt that much since Solrock has Morning Sun for recovery partners that can take on water and grass-type attacks such as Amoonguss work weel as they have good defensive synergy something that can tank special attacks is good since most special attackers can easily break through Solrock so Mantine or Regice are good fits something that can easily take on Gurdurr such as Garbodor is helpful since gurdurr dgaf about burn and sets up on Solrock easily be wary about switching Solrock into Swellow or Braviary as U-turn does a hefty chunk you can run 160 speed to outspeed SubBU Braviary so you can burn it before it sets up a substitute and proceeds to sweep through your team toxic can be used over WoW if you prefer toxic, even though will-o-wisp is one of its main niches over another Rock-type such as Regirock a specially defensive spread can be used since WoW already cripples physical attackers enough but most special attackers can break through it anyways [SET] name: Dual Screens move 1: Reflect move 2: Light Screen move 3: Stealth Rock move 4: Explosion item: Light Clay ability: Levitate nature: Jolly evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] Choosing Solrock over another Dual Screener such as Gardevoir may seem odd, but Solrock's main advantage is SR, which sweepers on hyper offensive teams love it can also go out with a boom and has a decent speed when invested can set up screens against many pokemon such as Golem or Kangaskhan Light Screen and Reflect are self-explanatory for a dual screens set as they allow Solrock's teammates to have an easier time setting up or breaking through the other team Use explosion carefully since that will be Solrock's last time setting up screens explosion allows solrock to bring in one of its teammates safely while also denting the opponent [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] max speed allows it to outspeed many pokemon such as Absol or neutral Samurott/Ludicolo allowing it to get off a BOOM, screens, or SR before it goes down Morning Sun or an attack can be used over explosion if you want to preserve Solrock throughout the match same can be said for SR if you already have a SR user try setting up SR before you start screening so you won't be wasting a turn of screens by using SR good teammates are ones that can take advantage of its screens such as Linoone or Fraxure Ampharos is also a good partner as it can also set up screens against special attackers that can knock out Solrock please do not use a normal gem, it needs light clay for screens to stay up for a long time [Other Options] Trick Room + BOOM + SR A baton pass set can be used but is generally outclassed by other speed passers such as Ninjask or Agility Gorebyss a cb set maybe? Psyche Up to stop pokemon such as Musharna, Braviary, or Fraxure setting up on it (works well with Morning Sun too), but it's not as effective as it seems has a good special movepool, but Lunatone outclasses it as a special attacker can set up Sunny Day gravity ! offensive LO + morning sun + 3 attacks set [Checks and Counters] Special Water-types such as Ludicolo or Samurott can easily destroy Solrock; Gorebyss can even easily set up against Solrock Grass-types such as Amoonguss or Eggy have no problem with Solrock as neither of them mind the burn, be wary of Zen Headbutt when using Amoonguss though Skuntank can Taunt and trap Solrock but can't switch into Will-O-Wisp directly Absol can threaten Solrock out with a possible Lum Berry to not worry about Will-O-Wisp Birds such as Swellow and Braviary can continually U-turn against Solrock and force it out with a teammate Gurdurr can set up on Solrock all day as it doesn't care about getting burned due to Guts Misdreavus can Taunt, Will-O-Wisp, or Shadow Ball to take care of Solrock Haunter can SubDisable solrock's only attacking move and KO it with Shadow Ball Fraxure can set up on Solrock with Taunt but can't switch in because of the risk of getting burned __________________ 21:29 FLCL i like ps though Oct 03 22:34:59 <MMF> but he was sleeping and someone came up and starting humping the shit out of him Oct 03 22:35:10 <MMF> then another person jumped on top of him Oct 03 22:35:16 <MMF> and starting railing that person 22:50 Djangoo fuck it I'll take the man with a vagina 21:36 FLCL hey while you were gone i got laid too 21:36 FLCL with my hand 20:24 amarillo i can blow u instead Last edited by Annoyer; Nov 24th, 2012 at 10:39:06 AM.

Nov 22nd, 2012, 1:34:44 PM	#2
Django Hear me Roar Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,663	ctrl-f Psych Up -----> no results. This should at least be in OO, maybe even in AC of the first set. Being able to completely stop Braviary and Musharna (along with some other stat-boosters) is so amazing, especially when you have recovery to go along with it. I'm not sure about move legalities since it gets Psych Up from Gen 3, but it still needs a mention somewhere. I'll give this a full look over soon-ish. __________________

Nov 22nd, 2012, 1:52:56 PM	#3
EBeast she's probably sexting nprtprt Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 641	Psych Up is actually a 5th gen TM so it access it on any of its sets, like Dingo said it should be in either Other Options or AC of the first set. I'm not really too sure where it should go as all of Solrock's moves are pretty important for it in its first set. Remove Stone Edge from the set and move it to AC. Since this is just an accuracy thing it's not really important enough to keep it in the main set and Rock Slide's PP is vastly superior and works better for a defensive set anyways. If you can, try to find some situations where Stone Edge would be preferred over Rock Slide. If you can't you should just remove mention of it at all. I think the name of the first set should be called Physically Defensive since that is really its main role; to take advantage of Will-O-Wisp, Morning Sun, and its unique typing to tank physical threats such as Emboar. Add in for Other Options a Life Orb 3 Attacks + Morning Sun set that takes advantage of its good coverage, base 70 Speed, and access to recovery. Its main downfall being that it's not all that powerful and doesn't take advantage of its main defensive niche. __________________

Nov 22nd, 2012, 5:18:31 PM	#4
Annoyer flappin' Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 338 ~	k implemented above stuff __________________ 21:29 FLCL i like ps though Oct 03 22:34:59 <MMF> but he was sleeping and someone came up and starting humping the shit out of him Oct 03 22:35:10 <MMF> then another person jumped on top of him Oct 03 22:35:16 <MMF> and starting railing that person 22:50 Djangoo fuck it I'll take the man with a vagina 21:36 FLCL hey while you were gone i got laid too 21:36 FLCL with my hand 20:24 amarillo i can blow u instead

Nov 23rd, 2012, 11:50:48 AM	#5
Sweet Jesus Neal and Jack and me, absent lovers... Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 401 Montreal	Fraxure generally runs taunt (which he will use fearing WoW) and is not setting up it's defence, I don't think he should be mentionned in the psych up point. I'm actually not so sure about mentioning psych up at all since solrock is not killing gurdurr even with a crit while gurdurr will completely wreck solrock and the rest of your team if he get's one. You'll have to pray for WoW to kill him before he gets a crit which might take a while. Mushy is also OHKO'ing you at +6 if it gets a crit, while solrock doesn't even have a boosted rock slide to damage it and isn't doing much through burn either. Even SubBU brav can pp stall you, best you can get is a burn or a crit on a roost turn. __________________ Last edited by Sweet Jesus; Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:08:13 PM.

Nov 23rd, 2012, 12:15:57 PM	#6
The Agonist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,001 Reflecting ourselves in the blood of all the beings we slay.	Maybe make a mention of Baton Pass on the dual screens set? __________________ #

Nov 23rd, 2012, 5:18:31 PM	#8
Django Hear me Roar Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,663	QC Approved 2/3 __________________

Nov 23rd, 2012, 5:27:49 PM	#9
DTC Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,069 Mentor	Mention in the Overview that Solrock counters Zebraiken. QC Approved 3/3 __________________ Pokemon Showdown! #pokemon

Nov 23rd, 2012, 5:38:55 PM	#10
Annoyer flappin' Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 338 ~	Thanks guys. Will get started writing this weekend! __________________ 21:29 FLCL i like ps though Oct 03 22:34:59 <MMF> but he was sleeping and someone came up and starting humping the shit out of him Oct 03 22:35:10 <MMF> then another person jumped on top of him Oct 03 22:35:16 <MMF> and starting railing that person 22:50 Djangoo fuck it I'll take the man with a vagina 21:36 FLCL hey while you were gone i got laid too 21:36 FLCL with my hand 20:24 amarillo i can blow u instead

Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:32:23 AM	#11
Raseri I'm a leaf on the wind; watch how i soar Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,701 Mentor	is this still being worked on? It's been sitting here for quite awhile.

Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:17:56 PM	#12
Raseri I'm a leaf on the wind; watch how i soar Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,701 Mentor	this is being reassigned