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Old Feb 1st, 2013, 8:34:21 PM   #26
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Not to much time to comment right now on specific pokes, but I've got a suggestion for the stats. Often when looking at common EV sets you see a lot of 4/252/0/0/0/252 type spreads, with three different "sets", one for each position of the 4 EVs. These 4 EVs are not significant, and often one or more of these "sets" is lost in the other, or some other set is kicked into other to make room for the three clones. Would it be possible to ignore the difference between 0 and 4 EVs when putting sets together to get a better picture? (For example, all of those sets would just show as 0/252/0/0/0/252, in one category)

This would apply to common 252/0/252/0/0/0 type walls too, which would further compress the stats.
I'm already doing *some* combining--namely, if two EV spreads yield the same stats, they're combined. This is really only an issue for Little Cup, where people don't always realize that if you put 252 EVs in most stats, you're wasting a shitton of EVs, but it does mean that if you do things like 4/253/0/0/0/253, that's not marked as a separate stat.

I probably won't do any more than that, though: I've heard quite a few debates about where it's best to put the "extra four."

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would it be easy for you to get what the stats would have been without the weights? it would be interestign to see how much is shift how much is just the weighting.
The data's all there in the "Raw" column, so you *could* compare if you felt so inclined.
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Just a suggestion; would it be possible to combine typed plates with their equivalents in the detailed stats, e.g. Mystic Water and Splash Plate would be one percentage? Unless you're Arceus, which one you use is purely flavor, and the fact that there's two (or more, if you include incenses) means the true percentage might be hidden in the Other category for Pokemon that use these items.
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Glad Scizor is still number 1, even though I don't use him in my current team.
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I probably won't do any more than that, though: I've heard quite a few debates about where it's best to put the "extra four."
While that's a reasonable issue, the spillover into "Other" is why I really don't think it's helpful for a threatlist. If I want to know how many Rotom-W are running max speed and how many are Modest/Timid, I look at the usage and see this:

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Calm:252/0/0/4/252/0 10.468%
Calm:248/0/0/28/232/0 9.938%
Modest:184/0/4/144/0/176 9.331%
Modest:0/0/0/252/4/252 8.561%
Timid:4/0/0/252/0/252 7.635%
Modest:4/0/0/252/0/252 4.443%
Other 49.624%

Of the 6 possible sets running max speed/max spa, only 3 are listed. From this its very difficult to determine the % of modest among the max speed Rotoms. While the information about the "extra 4" may have some tiny amount of use, I'd really rather not get that instead of actually useful information about functionally different spreads.
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I'd like to point out that Smogon Doubles and VGC 2013 display 0% for Real Use; it appears that having two Pokemon out at once messes this up.

Awesome stats though, despite Rain being #1 in Smogon Doubles... Thanks Antar!
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| 1 | Scizor | 23.15972% | 191970 | 20.195% | 151871 | 19.823% |
Ugh, Scizor's back to #1. At least he doesn't have 30%.

| 49 | Metagross | 4.43290% | 51659 | 5.435% | 42233 | 5.512% |
Heh, still OU despite all the complaining.

| 54 | Chansey | 3.07328% | 28649 | 3.014% | 22663 | 2.958% |
If she wasn't already BL I'd be mad

| 81 | Swampert | 1.22572% | 17892 | 1.882% | 15153 | 1.978% |
This guy needs more love
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Blastoise going higher then CHANDELURE!?!?!? Are you people fucking joking...

Anyway Kyurem-B is a mnster in Tailwind holding a Choice band. Basically its like this. This many turns of tailwind left. Thatms the number of pokemon you lose :)

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That was a brilliant idea for stat weighting, Antar. I don't think anyone's seriously going to complain about it. I mean, if even david stone approved, it must be good, right???

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Solosis |
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| Raw count: 246 |
| Avg. weight: 0.784657729771 |
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This pokemon has the highest avg. weight. the fuck?
Magic Guard + Endeavor iirc. Only true pros use it.
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I'd like to point out that Smogon Doubles and VGC 2013 display 0% for Real Use; it appears that having two Pokemon out at once messes this up.

Awesome stats though, despite Rain being #1 in Smogon Doubles... Thanks Antar!
Rain allows to run Swift Swimmers, and with six slots it becomes a lot more dangerous than they are in VCG, but I'm still amazed as the different in usage on both formats, and the lack of more Abomasnow.
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Just a suggestion; would it be possible to combine typed plates with their equivalents in the detailed stats, e.g. Mystic Water and Splash Plate would be one percentage? Unless you're Arceus, which one you use is purely flavor, and the fact that there's two (or more, if you include incenses) means the true percentage might be hidden in the Other category for Pokemon that use these items.
That's not a bad idea, actually.

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Of the 6 possible sets running max speed/max spa, only 3 are listed. From this its very difficult to determine the % of modest among the max speed Rotoms. While the information about the "extra 4" may have some tiny amount of use, I'd really rather not get that instead of actually useful information about functionally different spreads.
You make a good point. I'll consider it.

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I'd like to point out that Smogon Doubles and VGC 2013 display 0% for Real Use; it appears that having two Pokemon out at once messes this up.
Sorry--I should have stated this explicitly: Real Usage depends on me being able to parse the actual battle log, and I'm not quite ready to do that for doubles yet. That's also why you won't see any checks & counters for doubles (how would you even go about DEFINING that?).
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Sigh, it looks like that hax Liepard is the standard now. It really went up in usage after it got on analysis, for sure.

The fight between Band Sawk and Scarf Sawk rages on.

Vileplume at 66 makes me feel all warm and hipster on the inside.
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Hey Antar, I just saw that you posted the OU "1337" stats in the OU January 2013 stats thread. Can we get some "1337" stats for the other tiers as well? I would really like to see what the "real" Uber stats look like.
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Hey Antar, I just saw that you posted the OU "1337" stats in the OU January 2013 stats thread. Can we get some "1337" stats for the other tiers as well? I would really like to see what the "real" Uber stats look like.
Take everything that's not a high-OU Pokemon or an Uber (besides Deo-N, tbh).
Make sure to exclude anything that has a niche, like Ditto, Shednja, or Ninjask.
For every .000001% of Charizard usage, take a drink (Surgeon General's Warning: No.).

There, I fixed the Ubers stats.
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Hey, the moveset statistics' Pastebins are no longer available. Wondering if these are backed up?
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Not to much time to comment right now on specific pokes, but I've got a suggestion for the stats. Often when looking at common EV sets you see a lot of 4/252/0/0/0/252 type spreads, with three different "sets", one for each position of the 4 EVs. These 4 EVs are not significant, and often one or more of these "sets" is lost in the other, or some other set is kicked into other to make room for the three clones. Would it be possible to ignore the difference between 0 and 4 EVs when putting sets together to get a better picture? (For example, all of those sets would just show as 0/252/0/0/0/252, in one category)

This would apply to common 252/0/252/0/0/0 type walls too, which would further compress the stats.
The 4 EV's do make a difference. It may be small, but sometimes it can be crucial. Especially due to damge's randomness being anywhere between 85%-100% of the full deal. One or two extra HP could make a revenge kill simply because you survived. So no, I do not think they should leave out the 4 EV's in the spread.
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For February, I made a slight correction to how to handle weighting in the case of ladder errors (read about that in the Weighted Stats FAQ). It doesn't really affect very much, but tenths of a percent may matter when it comes down to updating the tiers, so here are the revised usage stats for January:

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