Smogon's First "Create a Pokemon": Poll 11 - Page 2

GengarCrysis92 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:08:11 PM

Too bad we don't have an animation yet....[for Cyzir's]

***Jibaku**** · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:09:46 PM

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=175. #2 in here is the best one imo...it just needs wings

Jenigmat · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:10:17 PM

I voted for KoA's. Mr Goodbar is right, Cyzir's is good, it's a great pose, but it's seriously way too complicated. To the left side of the sprite it's really hard to tell what's going on between the two arms, and the ice thing coming out of the arm is kinda out of place. The way the abdominal ice wings and the legs interact in the bottom right seems a bit off as well. Though, to be honest, I think Cyzir's wings are amazing, and KoA's arm on the right hand side of the sprite looks like an extension of the horn. I'd be happy if either one won, but tbh I think that some sort of combination of all the good things from both should be the final version.

I also think it'd be really cool if like, the males had the really detailed bug-like wings that Cyzir's sprite has, while the females had the simpler, more sleek wings of KoA.

TUskate · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:10:37 PM

cyzir's to me looks way to much like a RBY sprite, not a more sleek d/p sprite. KOA's back sprite is much to good to pass up, the animation is pretty cool too.

GengarCrysis92 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:13:13 PM

In the post from Jibaku, the first sprite was what i thought be an amazing Pre-Evo. It fits with the hunting idea/dex entry. Maybe if the arms were a tad smaller. Any thoughts on that?

RockoTheTaco · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:13:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat jenigmat429

I voted for KoA's. Mr Goodbar is right, Cyzir's is good, it's a great pose, but it's seriously way too complicated. To the left side of the sprite it's really hard to tell what's going on between the two arms, and the ice thing coming out of the arm is kinda out of place. The way the abdominal ice wings and the legs interact in the bottom right seems a bit off as well. Though, to be honest, I think Cyzir's wings are amazing, and KoA's arm on the right hand side of the sprite looks like an extension of the horn. I'd be happy if either one won, but tbh I think that some sort of combination of all the good things from both should be the final version.

In his defense, the design of the fakemon itself is a bit on the complicated side, especially the wings. Although I can't criticize anyone for that, due to this.

sanjay120 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:14:16 PM

Jibaku, those are the pics we were looking for as concepts for the pre evo.

Shinies for Czyir, because I like them.

Gothic Togekiss · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:15:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat tuskate

cyzir's to me looks way to much like a RBY sprite, not a more sleek d/p sprite.

Okay....what? Care to explain why it looks like a RBY sprite.

GengarCrysis92 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:15:22 PM

Oh yeah that was the one i was thinking of *points towards the goldish one*

Jenigmat · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:15:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat RockoTheTaco

In his defense, the design of the fakemon itself is a bit on the complicated side, especially the wings. Although I can't criticize anyone for that, due to this.

That's quite true. I think that KoA was really able to take the complexity of the original design and simplify it well. Though, both of them are incredibly talented and I'd be happy to either one win. (Or sad to see either one lose.)

sanjay120 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:15:42 PM

Maybe it was too complicated looking for him.

Complex != bad, guys.

Goodbar · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:16:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat RockoTheTaco

In his defense, the design of the fakemon itself is a bit on the complicated side, especially the wings. Although I can't criticize anyone for that, due to this.

I thought there was supposed to be a competition for the best drawn version of it, like certain people were supposed to draw this particular pokemon and the best version would be chosen

sanjay120 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:17:34 PM

Nah, the competition was 'Draw an Ice/Bug'.

JSC's should have won. ;(

Jenigmat · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:18:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sanjay120

Maybe it was too complicated looking for him.

Complex != bad, guys.

For a pokemon sprite, I think the trick is a combination of good design and simplicity. I mean, there are very few pokemon that have incredibly detailed sprites. Things like Tentacruel just seem much more detailed than they are. I'm not saying that complexity is bad, but if things are complex enough to take away from the effect a sprite should have, then it's expendable.

sanjay120 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:19:54 PM

Complexity rocks on this guy. Just look at the wings. They're awesome.

Quote:

there are very few pokemon that have incredibly detailed sprites

You could say that about any aspect of anything involving Pokemon.

Jenigmat · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:21:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sanjay120

Complexity rocks on this guy. Just look at the wings. They're awesome.

You know, I did specifically say that I loved Cyzir's wings...

Marker · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:23:37 PM

Glalie I feel is a good example of great detail. Or at least kickass shading. :P

Goodbar · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:23:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat sanjay120

Nah, the competition was 'Draw an Ice/Bug'.

JSC's should have won. ;(

Yea but after that they shoulda had everyone redraw Cyzir's pokemon (now known as Syclant?).

The wings is the only thing that Cyzir's may have over KoA's, who can probably change it if the people wanted it that way. KoA's seems better proportioned to me too.

sanjay120 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:23:45 PM

Yes, and that's pretty much the only complicated thing about it.

There's an idea, have KoA change the wings (if he wants to, or we could vote on it). I wouldn't really care one way or the other if they both had those awesome wings.

Jenigmat · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:26:38 PM

That's kinda what I mean. Glalie looks a lot more detailed than it is, just because it has kickass shading. It isn't complex at all when you look at it.

I mean, it's really just got some random black spots and blue eyes and teeth on a white ball. With horns. The shading makes it come alive.

sanjay120 · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:30:38 PM

Just like the rough wings make Czir's come alive.

Sunday · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:54:46 PM

This is such a hard choice, I just can't bring myself to vote!!!!

No, seriously, I haven't voted! Who's winning????

Rhykune · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:55:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Lord_Sunday

This is such a hard choice, I just can't bring myself to vote!!!!

No, seriously, I haven't voted! Who's winning????

KoA is winning, but Cyzir is not far behind...

Marker · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:57:45 PM

Sunday, Cyzir needs YOUR vote!

On topic, I agree with Sanjay, Cyzir's wings on KoA's sprite would be fine with me.

Derek(PUK) · Jan 7th, 2008, 8:59:03 PM

visheens owns but it needs moar KOA back sprite!

View Poll Results: Whose art will we use for the Syclant sprite?
KingofAnime - KoA	128	57.66%
CyzirVisheen	84	37.84%
DougJustDoug	10	4.50%
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:08:11 PM	#26
GengarCrysis92 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 512	Too bad we don't have an animation yet....[for Cyzir's] __________________ Hai?

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:09:46 PM	#27
*Jibaku I will bait you and outsmart you Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,919 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=175. #2 in here is the best one imo...it just needs wings __________________

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:10:37 PM	#29
TUskate Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,000 hi smogon	cyzir's to me looks way to much like a RBY sprite, not a more sleek d/p sprite. KOA's back sprite is much to good to pass up, the animation is pretty cool too. __________________ The Vault from the grave

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:13:13 PM	#30
GengarCrysis92 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 512	In the post from Jibaku, the first sprite was what i thought be an amazing Pre-Evo. It fits with the hunting idea/dex entry. Maybe if the arms were a tad smaller. Any thoughts on that? __________________ Hai?

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:10:17 PM	#28
Jenigmat Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 769	I voted for KoA's. Mr Goodbar is right, Cyzir's is good, it's a great pose, but it's seriously way too complicated. To the left side of the sprite it's really hard to tell what's going on between the two arms, and the ice thing coming out of the arm is kinda out of place. The way the abdominal ice wings and the legs interact in the bottom right seems a bit off as well. Though, to be honest, I think Cyzir's wings are amazing, and KoA's arm on the right hand side of the sprite looks like an extension of the horn. I'd be happy if either one won, but tbh I think that some sort of combination of all the good things from both should be the final version. I also think it'd be really cool if like, the males had the really detailed bug-like wings that Cyzir's sprite has, while the females had the simpler, more sleek wings of KoA.

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:15:22 PM	#34
GengarCrysis92 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 512	Oh yeah that was the one i was thinking of points towards the goldish one __________________ Hai?

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:23:37 PM	#42
Marker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 696	Glalie I feel is a good example of great detail. Or at least kickass shading. :P __________________

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:26:38 PM	#45
Jenigmat Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 769	That's kinda what I mean. Glalie looks a lot more detailed than it is, just because it has kickass shading. It isn't complex at all when you look at it. I mean, it's really just got some random black spots and blue eyes and teeth on a white ball. With horns. The shading makes it come alive.

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:54:46 PM	#47
Sunday Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,193 Australia	This is such a hard choice, I just can't bring myself to vote!!!! No, seriously, I haven't voted! Who's winning???? __________________

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:57:45 PM	#49
Marker Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 696	Sunday, Cyzir needs YOUR vote! On topic, I agree with Sanjay, Cyzir's wings on KoA's sprite would be fine with me. __________________

Jan 7th, 2008, 8:59:03 PM	#50
Derek(PUK) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 571 Canada, Eh?	visheens owns but it needs moar KOA back sprite! __________________ There are many levels of skill, but only one level of effort.