Pyroak Playtesting

***DougJustDoug***** · May 20th, 2008, 11:55:11 AM

Pyroak is live on the CAP server!

I ran the inaugural battle against Wyverii, since she was the sprite artist. For Syclant and Revenankh, KOA got the honors. So, I thought it was only fair to do the same for Wyverii. I ran a stellar lineup of Swampert, Scizor, Quagsire, Forretress, Syclant, and Whiscash against her Pyroak team (note: all my pokes were 4x weak to Fire or Grass) to "roll out the red carpet" for our newest star.

As you can see in the screenshot, it's not a good idea to forget that Pyroak is NEUTRAL to bug attacks. Nice mistake on my part with Scizor. Anyway....

Now that the ship has been christened, feel free to begin playtesting. Remember to update your CAP sprites. Instructions are located here. Sunday has updated the CAP Strategy Pokedex with the latest info and analysis.

This thread will be the home base for all discussion related to Pyroak, now that it is able to be played on Shoddy. Post logs and battle results here as you learn more about our newest pokemon.

Have fun with it!

Time Mage · May 20th, 2008, 2:02:01 PM

Bah, you do this on purpose. With Revenankh I didn't have time for shoddy until 3 or 4 days after it was released, and the same goes for Pyroak. ;_;

Logan · May 20th, 2008, 3:47:58 PM

After testing, I'm afraid I feel like Pyroak is almost dead weight. In our obsession to make it not broken, I feel like we made it almost not good enough.

I tried the Seed, FT, Toxic, Rest set on my stall team and it was somewhat successful. Never got to use it in most of my matches, though.

It can come in on many things, but it simply doesn't wall hard enough without a better recovery.

the_artic_one · May 20th, 2008, 4:00:58 PM

It wasn't meant to be a wall anyway, we wanted balanced. (a bulky attacker)

Sunday · May 20th, 2008, 7:47:47 PM

My apologies, Breloom, make way for the new subseeder in town!

By that I mean my team will no longer feature a Breloom.

Mr. Hadwick · May 20th, 2008, 10:41:34 PM

this thing is beastly, I ran a Leech Seed, Synthisis, Fireblast and Solarbeam with sunny day support, and it can take hits like a champ. Took about 60% from a togekiss' air slash, and OHKO'd back with fireblast.

I found a new favorite ^^

1059860 · May 20th, 2008, 11:46:50 PM

Leech Seed, why not HP Ground? For Heatrans, of course...

megalolz · May 21st, 2008, 12:51:48 PM

leech seed can cause some nice indirect damage, as well as regain health. People also switch to get rid of it sometimes, so if stealth rock is out as well all the better.

I think pyroak is good at setting up sunny day, the only problem is that he doesn't have charge beam instead he has zap cannon. 50 Accuracy is rubbish to me he doesn't even have lock on or mind reader, which are the only two things that can make it any good imo.

And yes I know hp electric sounds like a good replacement but he also has no stat boosters which i think he needs to help him take down a few things, moves like dd you will say is making him broken, or nearly broken thats why charge beam is good for another reason there is a 50-50 chance of him getting a good boost which will not make him as broken.

X-Act · May 21st, 2008, 1:57:32 PM

There's Growth for a stat boost.

tennisace · May 21st, 2008, 3:51:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat megalolz

leech seed can cause some nice indirect damage, as well as regain health. People also switch to get rid of it sometimes, so if stealth rock is out as well all the better.

I think pyroak is good at setting up sunny day, the only problem is that he doesn't have charge beam instead he has zap cannon. 50 Accuracy is rubbish to me he doesn't even have lock on or mind reader, which are the only two things that can make it any good imo.

And yes I know hp electric sounds like a good replacement but he also has no stat boosters which i think he needs to help him take down a few things, moves like dd you will say is making him broken, or nearly broken thats why charge beam is good for another reason there is a 50-50 chance of him getting a good boost which will not make him as broken.

First of all its a 70% chance of getting the boost. Second of all, it would allow it to take care of almost all of it's counters and checks. Thats why it's broken. It's the same way with not giving it Physical/Special Rock moves, most of it's counters are FLYING TYPES. Not everything needs stat boosters to kill pokemon. This can sit there, Leech Seed and heal while 2HKO-3HKOing things because it's so damn bulky. Not every pokemon we make has to break the metagame to be good. Give it some time, it'll find it's niche.

darkie · May 21st, 2008, 5:13:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat tennisace0227

First of all its a 70% chance of getting the boost.

63% if you factor in accuracy, but that's besides the point.

Maniaclyrasist · May 21st, 2008, 5:21:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat tennisace0227

First of all its a 70% chance of getting the boost. Second of all, it would allow it to take care of almost all of it's counters and checks. Thats why it's broken. It's the same way with not giving it Physical/Special Rock moves, most of it's counters are FLYING TYPES.

Why would that even matter? Super Effective Charge Beam is weaker than STAB Fire Blast on almost every Flying type and given this things abysmal speed i dont think Charge Beam would be a "broken". It's likely it would not even see much use.

jrrrrrrr · May 21st, 2008, 5:31:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Maniaclyrasist

Why would that even matter? Super Effective Charge Beam is weaker than STAB Fire Blast on almost every Flying type and given this things abysmal speed i dont think Charge Beam would be a "broken". It's likely it would not even see much use.

Charge Beam would stop Gyarados from getting free switch-ins and walling it all day, which is just as viable as Zap Cannon on Forretress.

Maniaclyrasist · May 21st, 2008, 5:41:50 PM

I wouldn't consider Gyarados the best pokemon to switch into something that can 3hko it with Grass Knot (2hko with Stealth Rock in most cases), Burn it with Lava Plume or Will O Wisp or "Sap" it's health with Leech Seed.

This thing doesnt need Charge Beam or HP Electric to stop Gyarados from setting up on it.

tennisace · May 21st, 2008, 5:44:58 PM

^^That (@jrrrrrr) and the fact that random n00bs will spam it in an attempt to sweep with a wall. We all know what Revvy's mediocre attack can do with a bulk up, lets give an arguably bulkier pokemon access to +2 boosts! While we're at it, give it Tail Glow since this time it has a tail, and SD, and DD, and a Special equivalant of DD, and CM, and BU! [/sarcasm] This thing doesn't really need boosts to be good, it needs a little TLC, not "To BL with it!"

Beej · May 21st, 2008, 8:34:41 PM

Charge Beam isn't broken purely because it's Electric-typed. It's broken because we're giving something this bulky SA boosts, something it really doesn't need. It should be noted that those boosts also apply to Fire Blast.

Syprus · May 21st, 2008, 9:31:14 PM

It needs Focus Punch... SubPunch Pyroak!

Blu · May 21st, 2008, 11:02:27 PM

This Pokemon really needs EQ.

Mr. Hadwick · May 22nd, 2008, 12:14:57 AM

why? Steels it hits with fire, rocks with grass, electric can mostly be taken out by fire, same with poison.

The only real reason it would need it is heatran and tentacruel, and I've been able to outstall every heatran not named specstran to death, and tenta is hurt pretty bad by solarbeam (of course not many people run solarbeam) or wood hammer.

jagged_angel · May 22nd, 2008, 6:38:05 AM

Can we have some proper reviews of Pyroak's movesets here please?? I am away from home this week so have to use internet cafes until I can get on shoddy next week.

I'm itching to hear more bout Pyroak's abilities! Come on people -review its movesets and comment on its counters' effectiveness etc.

phalanx · May 22nd, 2008, 7:44:50 AM

give it EQ it ends up broken. water, bug, ice, fire and ground all types that are neutralised by its typing, only pokemon it cant dent is heatran

Sunday · May 22nd, 2008, 8:05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat jagged_angel

Can we have some proper reviews of Pyroak's movesets here please?? I am away from home this week so have to use internet cafes until I can get on shoddy next week.

I'm itching to hear more bout Pyroak's abilities! Come on people -review its movesets and comment on its counters' effectiveness etc.

You want this?
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40375
It's only 4th from the top...

megalolz · May 22nd, 2008, 11:18:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat tennisace0227

First of all its a 70% chance of getting the boost. Second of all, it would allow it to take care of almost all of it's counters and checks. Thats why it's broken. It's the same way with not giving it Physical/Special Rock moves, most of it's counters are FLYING TYPES. Not everything needs stat boosters to kill pokemon. This can sit there, Leech Seed and heal while 2HKO-3HKOing things because it's so damn bulky. Not every pokemon we make has to break the metagame to be good. Give it some time, it'll find it's niche.

Hey i don't look at something and study it until it is stuck in my head like my favorite song. But i do agree with Beej on why it would make it broken

On a different note gliscor is a major counter to Pyroak, since it's ground electric won't hurt it and the flying typing will help it out with grass also ground helps it out when it comes to fire moves.

tennisace · May 22nd, 2008, 12:09:05 PM

Gliscor is scared to come in unless you're positive Pyroak doesn't have HP Ice.

megalolz · May 22nd, 2008, 12:31:16 PM

True. I guess the smart thing would be is to bring something that has a electric weekness but not a grass or fire say, tentacrule, since he also has good sp. def it would be even better.

May 20th, 2008, 11:55:11 AM	#1
*DougJustDoug* Knows the great enthusiasms Administrator** Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,901 Houston, TX	Pyroak Playtesting Pyroak is live on the CAP server! I ran the inaugural battle against Wyverii, since she was the sprite artist. For Syclant and Revenankh, KOA got the honors. So, I thought it was only fair to do the same for Wyverii. I ran a stellar lineup of Swampert, Scizor, Quagsire, Forretress, Syclant, and Whiscash against her Pyroak team (note: all my pokes were 4x weak to Fire or Grass) to "roll out the red carpet" for our newest star. As you can see in the screenshot, it's not a good idea to forget that Pyroak is NEUTRAL to bug attacks. Nice mistake on my part with Scizor. Anyway.... Now that the ship has been christened, feel free to begin playtesting. Remember to update your CAP sprites. Instructions are located here. Sunday has updated the CAP Strategy Pokedex with the latest info and analysis. This thread will be the home base for all discussion related to Pyroak, now that it is able to be played on Shoddy. Post logs and battle results here as you learn more about our newest pokemon. Have fun with it! __________________ My Art Thread: ArtJustArt - The Art of DougJustDoug

May 20th, 2008, 2:02:01 PM	#2
Time Mage Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 935 Granada, Spain	Bah, you do this on purpose. With Revenankh I didn't have time for shoddy until 3 or 4 days after it was released, and the same goes for Pyroak. ;_; __________________ D/P FC: 2749 8421 3675

May 20th, 2008, 4:00:58 PM	#4
the_artic_one Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 829 Seattle	It wasn't meant to be a wall anyway, we wanted balanced. (a bulky attacker) __________________ Warmachine 1.0 my warstory formatting program. Friend code :Richard 2792 7578 5799

May 20th, 2008, 7:47:47 PM	#5
Sunday Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,193 Australia	My apologies, Breloom, make way for the new subseeder in town! By that I mean my team will no longer feature a Breloom. __________________

May 20th, 2008, 10:41:34 PM	#6
Mr. Hadwick Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,045 Vancouver, Canada	this thing is beastly, I ran a Leech Seed, Synthisis, Fireblast and Solarbeam with sunny day support, and it can take hits like a champ. Took about 60% from a togekiss' air slash, and OHKO'd back with fireblast. I found a new favorite ^^ __________________ Hadwick hardly had a happy holiday

May 20th, 2008, 3:47:58 PM	#3
Logan Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 834 Nibiru	After testing, I'm afraid I feel like Pyroak is almost dead weight. In our obsession to make it not broken, I feel like we made it almost not good enough. I tried the Seed, FT, Toxic, Rest set on my stall team and it was somewhat successful. Never got to use it in most of my matches, though. It can come in on many things, but it simply doesn't wall hard enough without a better recovery.

May 20th, 2008, 11:46:50 PM	#7
1059860 Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 869	Leech Seed, why not HP Ground? For Heatrans, of course... __________________ Liu Yi Fei = Hot

May 21st, 2008, 12:51:48 PM	#8
megalolz Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 67 Under your bed	Wow my first post that might make sence leech seed can cause some nice indirect damage, as well as regain health. People also switch to get rid of it sometimes, so if stealth rock is out as well all the better. I think pyroak is good at setting up sunny day, the only problem is that he doesn't have charge beam instead he has zap cannon. 50 Accuracy is rubbish to me he doesn't even have lock on or mind reader, which are the only two things that can make it any good imo. And yes I know hp electric sounds like a good replacement but he also has no stat boosters which i think he needs to help him take down a few things, moves like dd you will say is making him broken, or nearly broken thats why charge beam is good for another reason there is a 50-50 chance of him getting a good boost which will not make him as broken. __________________ The qualities of a shoddy noob: 1. Attempting to break a clause which they put on them self. 2. Boasting and clamming they can beat anyone. Only to win by having arceues and other urbers. 3. Saying "i win" or any other random crap and leaving the match.

May 21st, 2008, 1:57:32 PM	#9
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May 21st, 2008, 5:41:50 PM	#14
Maniaclyrasist custom user title of doom!!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,692 Florida.	I wouldn't consider Gyarados the best pokemon to switch into something that can 3hko it with Grass Knot (2hko with Stealth Rock in most cases), Burn it with Lava Plume or Will O Wisp or "Sap" it's health with Leech Seed. This thing doesnt need Charge Beam or HP Electric to stop Gyarados from setting up on it.

May 21st, 2008, 5:44:58 PM	#15
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May 21st, 2008, 8:34:41 PM	#16
Beej Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 574	Charge Beam isn't broken purely because it's Electric-typed. It's broken because we're giving something this bulky SA boosts, something it really doesn't need. It should be noted that those boosts also apply to Fire Blast. __________________ http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...000/carsig.png Current high score in Robot Unicorn Attack: 93112

May 21st, 2008, 9:31:14 PM	#17
Syprus Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 353	It needs Focus Punch... SubPunch Pyroak! __________________ Faaaaaaaantastic!

May 21st, 2008, 11:02:27 PM	#18
Blu Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,254	This Pokemon really needs EQ. __________________

May 22nd, 2008, 12:14:57 AM	#19
Mr. Hadwick Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,045 Vancouver, Canada	why? Steels it hits with fire, rocks with grass, electric can mostly be taken out by fire, same with poison. The only real reason it would need it is heatran and tentacruel, and I've been able to outstall every heatran not named specstran to death, and tenta is hurt pretty bad by solarbeam (of course not many people run solarbeam) or wood hammer. __________________ Hadwick hardly had a happy holiday

May 22nd, 2008, 6:38:05 AM	#20
jagged_angel Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 571 London	Can we have some proper reviews of Pyroak's movesets here please?? I am away from home this week so have to use internet cafes until I can get on shoddy next week. I'm itching to hear more bout Pyroak's abilities! Come on people -review its movesets and comment on its counters' effectiveness etc. __________________ If I haven't seen further, it's because giants were standing on my shoulders...

May 22nd, 2008, 7:44:50 AM	#21
phalanx Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,656 Manchster UK	give it EQ it ends up broken. water, bug, ice, fire and ground all types that are neutralised by its typing, only pokemon it cant dent is heatran __________________ current projects: counter, revenge mild houndour with HP fighting 66+ FC: 3265 2646 3210 my trade thread now with a large collection of teni'mura regigigas, the best adamant gigas on smogon, 3 azelfs and rare events ATQ - RBY regional finalist

May 22nd, 2008, 12:09:05 PM	#24
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May 22nd, 2008, 12:31:16 PM	#25
megalolz Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 67 Under your bed	True. I guess the smart thing would be is to bring something that has a electric weekness but not a grass or fire say, tentacrule, since he also has good sp. def it would be even better. __________________ The qualities of a shoddy noob: 1. Attempting to break a clause which they put on them self. 2. Boasting and clamming they can beat anyone. Only to win by having arceues and other urbers. 3. Saying "i win" or any other random crap and leaving the match.